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Posted: 2/3/2006 6:27:44 PM EDT
[Last Edit: 3/11/2006 5:34:23 PM EDT by samsong]
Our neighbor "Kingdom Ministries" relocated some trees to their empty property, and installed a new watering system to control water distribution to the trees. In doing so, they took off some big-ass valve body (honestly, the thing's like two feet long, 30+ lbs, and very stoutly built of brass and other stuff).

I saw it and think it's scrap, so I'm going to ask them if I can take it for my own purposes... which will be an Ol_Painlessesque "Valve Body of Truth" study.

Anybody interested in seeing the results?
Link Posted: 2/3/2006 6:43:40 PM EDT
depends on what you are going to shoot it with.
Link Posted: 2/3/2006 6:47:13 PM EDT
last shot needs to be .50..

and post pics!

Link Posted: 2/3/2006 6:51:21 PM EDT
Just be careful, samsong. Stay at a safe distance when you shoot it.
Link Posted: 2/3/2006 7:35:17 PM EDT

Originally Posted By C-4:
Just be careful, samsong. Stay at a safe distance when you shoot it.



Anything I do like this is done at 100 yards. Koko the Sales Gorilla here ain't about to become liberal statistic fodder for the antis.

What to shoot it with? Nato 7.62mm, .303 Brit, 8mm Mauser, (all about the same, I'll bet), and Nato 5.56mm. Oh, and 7.62 x 39, of course, the obligatory comparitor.

Damnned thing is big enough to shoot multiple times with each round to get a good idea of penetration. I wonder if Mrs. samsong will permit me to keep it in a box in the den?
Link Posted: 2/3/2006 11:59:41 PM EDT
This is the ONLY time we will see head and penetration in the same sentence w/o a lock
Link Posted: 2/4/2006 12:36:51 AM EDT

Originally Posted By NonConformist:
This is the ONLY time we will see head and penetration in the same sentence w/o a lock



It's been done before, but not often.
Link Posted: 2/4/2006 12:45:07 AM EDT
I bet some of this will do a number on it.


Link Posted: 2/4/2006 2:37:51 AM EDT

Originally Posted By 2A373:
I bet some of this will do a number on it.


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Why yes...yes it would
Link Posted: 2/4/2006 4:50:53 AM EDT
Link Posted: 2/4/2006 4:57:57 AM EDT
I love this plan! I'm excited to see the results! Let's stop talking and get to it!

Always remember the lessons of Old Painless: shooting stuff is fun!

PS Don't shoot your eye out, kid.
Link Posted: 2/4/2006 5:15:49 AM EDT

Originally Posted By samsong:

I saw it and think it's scrap, so I'm going to ask them if I can take it for my own purposes... which will be an Ol_Painlessesque "Valve Body of Truth" study.

Anybody interested in seeing the results?



Ahhh. Young Grasshopper, you are on the path to knowledge.

Should you shoot it? Why not??!!

As advised, use precautions and back up enough so you don't catch any bounce back.

Take before and after pics.

Even if we will never try to use a valve for cover, who cares.

Shooting stuff is fun.
Link Posted: 2/5/2006 12:17:00 PM EDT

Originally Posted By Phil_A_Steen:
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I completely understand your frustration. I may saunter over to Kingdom Ministries' trash pile to see if I can recover it this afternoon. I'll post pics and update this thread; it will be at least a week before I am putting lead on target.
Link Posted: 2/5/2006 12:20:14 PM EDT
[Last Edit: 2/5/2006 1:04:59 PM EDT by samsong]

Originally Posted By Old_Painless:
snip
Even if we will never try to use a valve for cover, who cares.

Shooting stuff is fun.



Indeed, it is.

Now, as far as using the valve body for cover, I think that this may be informative because the piece is substantial in size and in thickness - "Potential cover in an industrial environment" may be a viable description of what this test could reveal.
Link Posted: 2/5/2006 12:25:05 PM EDT
Sounds good. GET TO SHOOTING THE THING ALREADY!
Link Posted: 2/5/2006 12:27:33 PM EDT
tag for pics and range report.
Link Posted: 2/5/2006 12:30:02 PM EDT
sounds like fun to me.

got a list of rounds you'll be shooting it with?
Link Posted: 2/5/2006 12:37:01 PM EDT


?
Link Posted: 2/5/2006 1:04:09 PM EDT

Originally Posted By TheRedHorseman:
sounds like fun to me.

got a list of rounds you'll be shooting it with?



Yeppers, 8mm Mauser, .30-06, .223, .308, 7.62 x 39, .45, 9mm.

I plan on only shooting the piece like two times with each round, so that there's plenty of valve left to monkey with.
Link Posted: 2/5/2006 1:32:00 PM EDT
.
Link Posted: 2/6/2006 6:49:16 PM EDT
Here's a pic of the valve-head, along with my CZ-52 for size comparison. Will be shooting it this weekend if the WX is good.



Durned thing is right heavy - easily 22 lbs. It is built VERY solidly. It will be interesting to see what penetrates.
Link Posted: 2/6/2006 6:54:05 PM EDT
tag
Link Posted: 2/6/2006 6:59:49 PM EDT
...

my picture's better
Link Posted: 2/6/2006 7:04:09 PM EDT
use the CZ on it first, I want to see penetration
Link Posted: 2/6/2006 7:05:12 PM EDT
from my 50bmg




Link Posted: 2/6/2006 7:52:29 PM EDT
holy SHIET!!!
Link Posted: 2/6/2006 9:14:57 PM EDT

Originally Posted By TheRedHorseman:
use the CZ on it first, I want to see penetration



I was seriously thinking about doing this. I am concerned about the potentiality of splashback. I could shoot at the round portion, I guess, to minimize the potentiality for trouble.

Maybe I will wear a cup, eye protection, and a face-shield.
Link Posted: 2/6/2006 10:11:53 PM EDT

Originally Posted By samsong:
Here's a pic of the valve-head, along with my CZ-52 for size comparison. Will be shooting it this weekend if the WX is good.

home.comcast.net/~nhorianopoulos/valvehead.jpg

Durned thing is right heavy - easily 22 lbs. It is built VERY solidly. It will be interesting to see what penetrates.



Looks like a backflow preventer to me.
Link Posted: 3/11/2006 5:34:43 PM EDT
Remember the Valve Body Penetration Study?

Here's the results from its being targeted by .223 FMJ and 7.62 NATO milsurp.









The Chief Victimizer of the 23-lb piece of brass, iron, and steel, aka Cell Phone Gadget Boy, aka samsong:



Basically, you don't want to be standing in front of rifle bullets unless you have high-grade steel in great thickness protecting you. Brass doesn't work. I did notice from later hits not photographed that in areas of this backflow valve where the valve-ball was (chromium steel), bullets didn't get as far through the assembly.

BTW, I left nothing on Pawnee National Grassland; I still have the valvebody in the trunk and will shoot it again to see if I can shoot it apart. I also want to see what pistol (9mm and 7.62 x 25 Tok) will do to it.
Link Posted: 3/11/2006 7:42:42 PM EDT
Seems kinda brittle with all that cracking. I've been shooting the pieces of metal between a rail and the tie from the railroad, only steel core stuff has gone through so far. Did manage to knock off one chunk at one of the corners where original holes are.

Nice pics!
Link Posted: 3/11/2006 9:29:18 PM EDT

Originally Posted By BridgerNY:
Seems kinda brittle with all that cracking. I've been shooting the pieces of metal between a rail and the tie from the railroad, only steel core stuff has gone through so far. Did manage to knock off one chunk at one of the corners where original holes are.

Nice pics!



Thanks. I could snap some more photos; I believe I put another 10 holes in the damnned thing after those images were taken.

Next thing I think I'll do with it is to shoot it with handguns to see what the result is. I am still concerned about splashback.
Link Posted: 3/11/2006 9:32:00 PM EDT
hard to tell, but how thick was the metal, and what was inside?
Link Posted: 3/11/2006 9:38:31 PM EDT
tag
Link Posted: 3/13/2006 8:47:48 PM EDT
[Last Edit: 3/13/2006 8:48:27 PM EDT by samsong]

Originally Posted By Napoleon_Tanerite:
hard to tell, but how thick was the metal, and what was inside?



It varied between 1/8" and about 3/4", I think. There's internal components; plastic, chrome steel balls, nuts/bolts. Plenty for bullets to get hung up on. I saw it again in my trunk - it's pretty jacked up now, and tomorrow I'll snap another couple of photos of it and post tomorrow night.
Link Posted: 3/13/2006 8:51:42 PM EDT
On Mythbusters they effectively dispelled the "Hiding behind a car in a gunfight is a good idea" myth. A HK91, AR15, and I think a FAL? made through and through shots. Hit the gas tank too, no explosions. Tests like this need to get out and say hey, more armor for the boys in the sand please. Now.
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