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Posted: 4/22/2016 3:47:27 AM EDT
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A former Westchester County police commissioner was caught with a loaded gun without a permit in a park last week — but cops at the scene were ordered by higher-ups to let him go, law-enforcement sources told The Post.

Police responded to a report of a fight between two men at the Kensico Dam Plaza in Valhalla in Westchester on April 14 around 5:20 p.m. There, they found former Mount Vernon Police Commissioner Terrance Raynor, and he fit the description of a suspect involved in the dispute, sources said.

But when cops tried to question Raynor, 52, he became “hostile and uncooperative,” sources said.

He refused repeated requests to remove his hands from his pockets, according to sources.

When cops asked him for identification, Raynor, also the former chief criminal investigator for the Westchester District Attorney’s Office, told them that he did not have to provide it.
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Cops quickly cuffed Raynor and removed his gun – a loaded M&P .380 automatic, sources said.

The officers only discovered who Raynor was when they opened up his wallet and found a metal shield that read “Westchester County District Attorney Chief Investigator” and a retired ID card.

Cops asked Raynor if he had a pistol permit, but he responded that he didn’t need one, citing a federal law – the Law Enforcement Officers Safety Act that allows qualified law enforcement and retired law enforcement to carry a concealed firearm in any jurisdiction in the country.

Police determined that Raynor did not possess any permit or documentation to carry the weapon.
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Westchester County police Lt. Jerry Steckmeister soon responded to the scene, and the officers were ordered to seize the pistol and release Raynor — even though the cops felt Raynor did not have the proper
gun paperwork and that there is a county prohibition against the possession of firearms in its parks, according to sources.
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Link Posted: 4/22/2016 3:52:33 AM EDT
He was let go?

Surprise, surprise.
Link Posted: 4/22/2016 3:54:06 AM EDT
Oh this is going to be fun.
Link Posted: 4/22/2016 3:59:52 AM EDT
In.
Link Posted: 4/22/2016 4:01:15 AM EDT
In.
Link Posted: 4/22/2016 4:03:52 AM EDT
LEOSA? Right?

Link Posted: 4/22/2016 4:07:27 AM EDT
[Last Edit: 4/22/2016 4:09:17 AM EDT by shocktrp]
18 USC 926(C)

(d) The identification required by this subsection is—
(1) a photographic identification issued by the agency from which the individual separated from service as a law enforcement officer that identifies the person as having been employed as a police officer or law enforcement officer and indicates that the individual has, not less recently than one year before the date the individual is carrying the concealed firearm, been tested or otherwise found by the agency to meet the active duty standards for qualification in firearms training as established by the agency to carry a firearm of the same type as the concealed firearm; or
(2)
(A) a photographic identification issued by the agency from which the individual separated from service as a law enforcement officer that identifies the person as having been employed as a police officer or law enforcement officer; and
(B) a certification issued by the State in which the individual resides or by a certified firearms instructor that is qualified to conduct a firearms qualification test for active duty officers within that State that indicates that the individual has, not less than 1 year before the date the individual is carrying the concealed firearm, been tested or otherwise found by the State or a certified firearms instructor that is qualified to conduct a firearms qualification test for active duty officers within that State to have met—
(I) the active duty standards for qualification in firearms training, as established by the State, to carry a firearm of the same type as the concealed firearm; or
(II) if the State has not established such standards, standards set by any law enforcement agency within that State to carry a firearm of the same type as the concealed firearm.
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You need to carry your credentials + your annual qualification card: then you don't need a permit.
If he didn't have the qualification card & the ID (not a fake shield) he should have been locked up...
Link Posted: 4/22/2016 4:07:32 AM EDT
Everyone is equal. Of course some people are more equal.
Link Posted: 4/22/2016 4:15:48 AM EDT
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Originally Posted By Shoot556:
LEOSA? Right?

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He might not have followed the requirements. Though he may be able to have a friend pencil whip some documents to say otherwise.

LEOSA requires that you have, not less than one year before the date you are carrying a concealed firearm, been tested or otherwise found by the state or a certified firearms instructor that is qualified to conduct a firearms qualification test for active duty officers within that state to have met the active duty standards for qualification in firearms training, as established by the state, to carry a firearm of the same type as the concealed firearm.
Link Posted: 4/22/2016 4:16:11 AM EDT
He is lucky he was caught by cops. I bet he was shitfaced
Link Posted: 4/22/2016 4:19:10 AM EDT
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Originally Posted By bob1946:


He might not have followed the requirements. Though he may be able to have a friend pencil whip some documents to say otherwise.

LEOSA requires that you have, not less than one year before the date you are carrying a concealed firearm, been tested or otherwise found by the state or a certified firearms instructor that is qualified to conduct a firearms qualification test for active duty officers within that state to have met the active duty standards for qualification in firearms training, as established by the state, to carry a firearm of the same type as the concealed firearm.
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Originally Posted By bob1946:
Originally Posted By Shoot556:
LEOSA? Right?



He might not have followed the requirements. Though he may be able to have a friend pencil whip some documents to say otherwise.

LEOSA requires that you have, not less than one year before the date you are carrying a concealed firearm, been tested or otherwise found by the state or a certified firearms instructor that is qualified to conduct a firearms qualification test for active duty officers within that state to have met the active duty standards for qualification in firearms training, as established by the state, to carry a firearm of the same type as the concealed firearm.


Someone needs to FOIA his records to see if he did at least 10 years & if he left in good standing.

Then they need to check to see which certified instructor qualified him - they have to keep detailed records in case they get subpoenaed.
Link Posted: 4/22/2016 4:21:44 AM EDT
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In on 1 ..............
Link Posted: 4/22/2016 4:28:14 AM EDT
All men are equal. Some are just more equal than others.
Link Posted: 4/22/2016 4:30:10 AM EDT
Well on the bright side this is an example of ban state police refusing to enforce unconstitutional laws.































Link Posted: 4/22/2016 5:10:01 AM EDT
UnSAFE?
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Only ex LEO are professional enough to run around armed while the little people are carried off to jail for possession of a 30 round ammunition feeding device... NY.
Link Posted: 4/22/2016 5:24:28 AM EDT
Equality for all...







or something like that.
Link Posted: 4/22/2016 5:25:18 AM EDT
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Originally Posted By madwis15:
Everyone is equal. Of course some people are more equal.
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Link Posted: 4/22/2016 5:35:59 AM EDT
Coc
Link Posted: 4/22/2016 5:50:54 AM EDT
So what hinky shit was that guy up to, checking a dead drop signal location or just meeting up with a control
or one of his runners.


Link Posted: 4/22/2016 5:51:24 AM EDT
In a park, fitting the description of having a beef with another man, more than likely shitfaced drunk. 2+2= zip, zero, nada...oogatz
Link Posted: 4/22/2016 5:51:51 AM EDT
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Ex, this is like the 3rd "cop" thread I've seen with your name on it. I smell smoke...
Link Posted: 4/22/2016 5:54:10 AM EDT
Permits, he don't need no stinkin' permits!
Link Posted: 4/22/2016 6:31:14 AM EDT
Only ones
Link Posted: 4/22/2016 6:37:19 AM EDT
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Originally Posted By shocktrp:


Someone needs to FOIA his records to see if he did at least 10 years & if he left in good standing.

Then they need to check to see which certified instructor qualified him - they have to keep detailed records in case they get subpoenaed.
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Originally Posted By shocktrp:
Originally Posted By bob1946:
Originally Posted By Shoot556:
LEOSA? Right?



He might not have followed the requirements. Though he may be able to have a friend pencil whip some documents to say otherwise.

LEOSA requires that you have, not less than one year before the date you are carrying a concealed firearm, been tested or otherwise found by the state or a certified firearms instructor that is qualified to conduct a firearms qualification test for active duty officers within that state to have met the active duty standards for qualification in firearms training, as established by the state, to carry a firearm of the same type as the concealed firearm.


Someone needs to FOIA his records to see if he did at least 10 years & if he left in good standing.

Then they need to check to see which certified instructor qualified him - they have to keep detailed records in case they get subpoenaed.


If he retired from westchester and this occurred in ny state, the leosa wouldn't apply, nor would the 10 year employment minimum. That's only for out of state carry.
Link Posted: 4/22/2016 6:40:27 AM EDT
us and "them."
Link Posted: 4/22/2016 6:41:04 AM EDT
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Originally Posted By billyjoebob:
If he retired from westchester and this occurred in ny state, the leosa wouldn't apply, nor would the 10 year employment minimum. That's only for out of state carry.
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That's what I was always told.
Link Posted: 4/22/2016 6:53:31 AM EDT
Laws are for little people. Move along peasant!
Link Posted: 4/22/2016 6:57:30 AM EDT
Link Posted: 4/22/2016 7:06:33 AM EDT
Discretion bruh.




Link Posted: 4/22/2016 7:17:33 AM EDT
My nephew interviewed for a police officer job in San Francisco. He was doing well up until one hypothetical question.

You stop a car going the wrong way on a one-way street. The driver is very intoxicated and happens to be the mayor. What do you do?

He answered to the effect that he'd handle this the same way he'd treat anyone else. Doesn't matter who it is, the law's the law, etc, etc..

Apparently that wasnt the correct answer and he was determined to not be a good fit within the department.
Link Posted: 4/22/2016 7:20:52 AM EDT
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Originally Posted By JimEb:
My nephew interviewed for a police officer job in San Francisco. He was doing well up until one hypothetical question.
You stop a car going the wrong way on a one-way street. The driver is very intoxicated and happens to be the mayor. What do you do?
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Call my Sgt. to the scene and dump it on him.
Link Posted: 4/22/2016 7:22:57 AM EDT
"professional courtesy"
Link Posted: 4/22/2016 7:25:30 AM EDT
Officer discretion bro.....
Link Posted: 4/22/2016 7:28:07 AM EDT
I'd bet money he was drunk too.


Link Posted: 4/22/2016 7:29:36 AM EDT
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Originally Posted By JimEb:
My nephew interviewed for a police officer job in San Francisco. He was doing well up until one hypothetical question.

You stop a car going the wrong way on a one-way street. The driver is very intoxicated and happens to be the mayor. What do you do?

He answered to the effect that he'd handle this the same way he'd treat anyone else. Doesn't matter who it is, the law's the law, etc, etc..

Apparently that wasnt the correct answer and he was determined to not be a good fit within the department.
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Did they tell him that was it?

I was a naive guy and gave that answer too.
Link Posted: 4/22/2016 7:32:02 AM EDT
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Originally Posted By Extorris:

Call my Sgt. to the scene and dump it on him.
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Originally Posted By Extorris:
Originally Posted By JimEb:
My nephew interviewed for a police officer job in San Francisco. He was doing well up until one hypothetical question.
You stop a car going the wrong way on a one-way street. The driver is very intoxicated and happens to be the mayor. What do you do?

Call my Sgt. to the scene and dump it on him.


Friend of mine pulled over Congressman Schock about a week before he resigned here in Illinois, he was speeding, my buddy said after he ran the plate he got a call from his Lt. Told to let him slide and get him on his way, reason he had enough shit coming down on him and the ISP didn't need the attention.

Schock had to be doing 90+ since my buddy doesn't light you up unless 15+ over the speed limit.

So you had the correct answer
Link Posted: 4/22/2016 7:33:01 AM EDT
lol New York
Link Posted: 4/22/2016 7:34:29 AM EDT
New York values.

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Link Posted: 4/22/2016 7:55:11 AM EDT
Some animals are more equal than other animals.
Link Posted: 4/22/2016 7:56:43 AM EDT
Friggin New York.
Link Posted: 4/22/2016 7:59:08 AM EDT
Originally Posted By Extorris:

The officers only discovered who Raynor was when they opened up his wallet and found a metal shield that read “Westchester County District Attorney Chief Investigator” and a retired ID card.

Cops asked Raynor if he had a pistol permit, but he responded that he didn’t need one, citing a federal law – the Law Enforcement Officers Safety Act that allows qualified law enforcement and retired law enforcement to carry a concealed firearm in any jurisdiction in the country.
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How much you want to bet that even if he WAS covered under LEOSA due to previous employment that he never did any of the required qualifications
Link Posted: 4/22/2016 8:02:56 AM EDT
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Originally Posted By tc556guy:
How much you want to bet that even if he WAS covered under LEOSA due to previous employment that he never did any of the required qualifications
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Yep.
Link Posted: 4/22/2016 8:17:56 AM EDT
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Originally Posted By bob1946:


He might not have followed the requirements. Though he may be able to have a friend pencil whip some documents to say otherwise.

LEOSA requires that you have, not less than one year before the date you are carrying a concealed firearm, been tested or otherwise found by the state or a certified firearms instructor that is qualified to conduct a firearms qualification test for active duty officers within that state to have met the active duty standards for qualification in firearms training, as established by the state, to carry a firearm of the same type as the concealed firearm.
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Originally Posted By bob1946:
Originally Posted By Shoot556:
LEOSA? Right?



He might not have followed the requirements. Though he may be able to have a friend pencil whip some documents to say otherwise.

LEOSA requires that you have, not less than one year before the date you are carrying a concealed firearm, been tested or otherwise found by the state or a certified firearms instructor that is qualified to conduct a firearms qualification test for active duty officers within that state to have met the active duty standards for qualification in firearms training, as established by the state, to carry a firearm of the same type as the concealed firearm.

Don't know if I'm reading this right. Does this mean an LEO separated from service in say CA, would have to be tested and certified by his former CA agency if he then wanted to carry legally (under LEOSA) in his new state of residence (TX)?
Link Posted: 4/22/2016 8:19:13 AM EDT
meh. i dont agree but meh.
Link Posted: 4/22/2016 8:20:27 AM EDT
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Link Posted: 4/22/2016 8:22:15 AM EDT
No way.

There is no blue wall.

Cops never brake the law

Cops never cover up other cop's crimes.
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Originally Posted By geegee:
Don't know if I'm reading this right. Does this mean an LEO separated from service in say CA, would have to be tested and certified by his former CA agency if he then wanted to carry legally (under LEOSA) in his new state of residence (TX)?
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You can get qualified in the state you move to. You don't have to go to your former agency.
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