Former FEMA head Brown- Louisiana is a 'dysfunctional' state, Feds did no wrong...

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Posted: 9/27/2005 8:42:51 AM EDT

At least he was smart enough to wait untill after Rita. Comparing what happened with Rita and Ivan to Katrina gives his statement a bit more credibilty than it would otherwise. Though the media is still spinning it otherwise.

Brown Blames 'Dysfunctional' Louisiana
Former FEMA Chief Remains on Payroll Despite Resignation
BY LARA JAKES JORDAN, AP

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WASHINGTON (Sept. 27) - Former FEMA director Michael Brown aggressively defended his role in responding to Hurricane Katrina on Tuesday and put much of the blame for coordination failures on Louisiana Gov. Kathleen Blanco and New Orleans Mayor Ray Nagin.

"My biggest mistake was not recognizing by Saturday that Louisiana was dysfunctional," two days before the storm hit, Brown told a special congressional panel set up by House Republican leaders to investigate the catastrophe.

The storm slammed into the Gulf Coast on Monday, Aug. 29.

Brown's defense drew a scathing response from Rep. William Jefferson, D-La.

"I find it absolutely stunning that this hearing would start out with you, Mr. Brown, laying the blame for FEMA's failings at the feet of the governor of Louisiana and the Mayor of New Orleans."

Brown, who for many became a symbol of government failures in the natural disaster that claimed the lives of more than 1,000 people, rejected accusations that he was too inexperienced for the job.

"I've overseen over 150 presidentially declared disasters. I know what I'm doing, and I think I do a pretty darn good job of it," Brown said.

Brown resigned as the head of FEMA earlier this month after being removed by Homeland Security Secretary Michael Chertoff from responsibility in the stricken areas.

Brown, who joined FEMA in 2001 and ran it for more than two years, was previously an attorney who held several local government and private posts, including leading the International Arabian Horse Association.

Brown in his opening statement said he had made several "specific mistakes" in dealing with the storm, and listed two.

One, he said, was not having more media briefings.

As to the other, he said: "I very strongly personally regret that I was unable to persuade Gov. Blanco and Mayor Nagin to sit down, get over their differences, and work together. I just couldn't pull that off."

Both Blanco and Nagin are Democrats.

"The people of FEMA are being tired of being beat up, and they don't deserve it," Brown said.

The hearing was largely boycotted by Democrats, who want an independent investigation conducted into government failures, not one run by congressional Republicans.

But Jefferson -- who is not a committee member -- accepted the panel's invitation to grill Brown.

Referring to Brown's description of his "mistakes," Jefferson said: "I think that's a very weak explanation of what happened, and very incomplete explanation of what happened. I don't think that's going to cut it, really."

Committee Chairman Tom Davis, R-Va., cautioned against too narrowly assigning blame.

"At the end of the day, I suspect that we'll find that government at all levels failed the people of Louisiana and Mississippi and Alabama and the Gulf Coast," said Davis.

Davis pushed Brown on what he and the agency he led should have done to evacuate New Orleans, restore order in the city and improve communication among law enforcement agencies.

Brown said: "Those are not FEMA roles. FEMA doesn't evacuate communities. FEMA does not do law enforcement. FEMA does not do communications."

In part of his testimony, Brown pumped his hand up and down for emphasis.

Brown said the lack of a mandatory evacuation of New Orleans before the storm was "the tipping point for all the other things that went wrong." Brown said he had personally pushed Louisiana Gov. Blanco to order such an evacuation.

He did not have the authority to order the city evacuated on his own, Brown said.

When asked by Rep. Harold Rogers, R-Ky, whether the lack of an ordered evacuation was "the proximate cause of most people's misery," Brown said, "Yes."

Brown is continuing to work at the Federal Emergency Management Agency at full pay, with his Sept. 12 resignation not taking effect for two more weeks, said Homeland Security Department spokesman Russ Knocke.

Knocke said Brown agreed to stay at FEMA up to four weeks after he resigned to advise the department on "some of his views on his experience with Katrina." He said Brown, who is in a "transition" period, does not have any decision-making or management responsibilities.

"There is an important public benefit to ensuring that any pending projects, initiatives, commitments or records be properly passed off to staff," Knocke said.

Brown ran FEMA for more than two years.

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No.. theres no media bias in that article...no..

Posted: 9/27/2005 8:47:29 AM EDT

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Davis pushed Brown on what he and the agency he led should have done to evacuate New Orleans, restore order in the city and improve communication among law enforcement agencies.

Brown said: "Those are not FEMA roles. FEMA doesn't evacuate communities. FEMA does not do law enforcement. FEMA does not do communications."

Somebody needs an owned pic.

Posted: 9/27/2005 8:48:03 AM EDT

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The media are blameless! They are always fair and articulate.

Posted: 9/27/2005 8:49:31 AM EDT

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As to the other, he said: "I very strongly personally regret that I was unable to persuade Gov. Blanco and Mayor Nagin to sit down, get over their differences, and work together. I just couldn't pull that off."

Both Blanco and Nagin are Democrats.

Don't know why he regrets that. Not even God could get 2 dummocrats to get over thier differences

Posted: 9/27/2005 8:51:28 AM EDT

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As to the other, he said: "I very strongly personally regret that I was unable to persuade Gov. Blanco and Mayor Nagin to sit down, get over their differences, and work together. I just couldn't pull that off."

Both Blanco and Nagin are Democrats.

Don't know why he regrets that. Not even God could get 2 dummocrats to get over thier differences

You know the media has been spinning that Brown was fired- but he is still there collecting pay. It looks more and more like he QUIT out of frustration.

His book is going to make interesting reading...

Posted: 9/27/2005 8:56:04 AM EDT

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That's not all. A democratic rep from Mississippi actually asked him why FEMA didn't have assets in the cities BEFORE the hurricane and also why they didn't provide gas for evacuees... His reply was (paraphrasing here)" I am not about to put equipment and people in the path of a hurricane to be come victims themselves which will make them useless." He basicly pointed out the fact that the state is responsible for its citizens during a disaster - now what a novel idea...

On another note, this is scary as it pushes the idea of federalizing which will provide some future pres with too much power in my book.

Posted: 9/27/2005 8:59:49 AM EDT

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On another note, this is scary as it pushes the idea of federalizing which will provide some future pres with too much power in my book

Yes I have noticed that members of Congress on both parties are all to eager to use this to increase federal authority.

But all that is needed is to prosecute Nagen and Blanco for 900 counts of negligent homocide.

They did nothing diferent from the owners of that nursing home who left the evacuation of the elderly to their patients families and as a result 36 people died. If that is a crime than Nagen and Blanco are just as guilty.

Posted: 9/27/2005 9:07:06 AM EDT

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I'm glad to see that somebody in the Federal government is not just bending over for the media and the Democrats, but instead is pointing the finger at the truly imcompetent. Too bad President Bush doesn't display similar backbone.

Posted: 9/27/2005 9:11:38 AM EDT

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Davis pushed Brown on what he and the agency he led should have done to evacuate New Orleans, restore order in the city and improve communication among law enforcement agencies.

Brown said: "Those are not FEMA roles. FEMA doesn't evacuate communities. FEMA does not do law enforcement. FEMA does not do communications."

Somebody needs an owned pic.

Posted: 9/27/2005 9:11:58 AM EDT

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I saw part of his testimony this morning and he is 100% correct. FEMA is not a 1st responder.

ETA:

FWIW. Nagin was a life-long Republican before he defected to run for mayor. He endorsed Blanco's opponant for governor (Jindal). This is where all of this bad blood is coming from.

Posted: 9/27/2005 10:01:02 AM EDT

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So what are the good people of Louisiana going to do to clean up this mess in their goverment?

Posted: 9/27/2005 10:05:46 AM EDT

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So what are the good people of Louisiana going to do to clean up this mess in their goverment?

The good people will probabaly move away or to a more weather safe part of the state. The turds will shuffle back in with their hands out for a gubbamint check and a new house. And then re elect democrats because GW made this 'cane and blew up the levees in the first place.

Posted: 9/27/2005 10:07:04 AM EDT

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Originally Posted By ~~ArmdLbrl~~ THOMAS FREAKING JEFFERSON IN 1805, AND CONTINUALLY ASKED EVER SINCE:
So what are the good people of Louisiana going to do to clean up this mess in their goverment?

Posted: 9/27/2005 10:17:02 AM EDT

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Davis pushed Brown on what he and the agency he led should have done to evacuate New Orleans, restore order in the city and improve communication among law enforcement agencies.

Brown said: "Those are not FEMA roles. FEMA doesn't evacuate communities. FEMA does not do law enforcement. FEMA does not do communications."

interesting . . . .

Posted: 9/27/2005 10:19:55 AM EDT

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Originally Posted By ~~ArmdLbrl~~ THOMAS FREAKING JEFFERSON IN 1805, AND CONTINUALLY ASKED EVER SINCE:
So what are the good people of Louisiana going to do to clean up this mess in their goverment?

ROFLMAO.

+1 Million.

Posted: 9/27/2005 10:23:01 AM EDT

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So what are the good people of Louisiana going to do to clean up this mess in their goverment?

You saw who the looters were, they're all Democrats. If anything the problem will get worse.

Posted: 9/27/2005 10:25:01 AM EDT

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So what are the good people of Louisiana going to do to clean up this mess in their goverment?

You saw who the looters were, they're all Democrats. If anything the problem will get worse.

There are no Republicans in Louisiana?

After this mess, will any non-welfare recipiant remain a Democrat?

Posted: 9/27/2005 10:25:47 AM EDT

[#17]

Brown was a scapegoat. Pure and simple.

The media is a bunch of idiots who couldn't save themselves a buck on coffee, much less handle saving anyone else's lives. Their idiotic news casts are never content with reporting facts, but always have to look for someone to blame.

Guess what?

Sometimes crap happens.

Especially when you have a city below sea level with inadequate levies to survive a Cat 4 storm and feet of storm surge.

Posted: 9/27/2005 10:26:50 AM EDT

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Davis pushed Brown on what he and the agency he led should have done to evacuate New Orleans, restore order in the city and improve communication among law enforcement agencies.

Brown said: "Those are not FEMA roles. FEMA doesn't evacuate communities. FEMA does not do law enforcement. FEMA does not do communications."

interesting . . . .

And the truth.

Posted: 9/27/2005 10:32:42 AM EDT

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The media is going to paint him as someone with a political axe to grind because his qualifications were called into question. The Dems will be responding to his testimony by the end of the day . . . at the latest. Dems don't fight fair; Brown is going to be barbequed during the next couple days.

Let the mud slinging begin!

Posted: 9/27/2005 10:34:37 AM EDT

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The media is going to paint him as someone with a political axe to grind because his qualifications were called into question. The Dems will be responding to his testimony by the end of the day . . . at the latest. Dems don't fight fair; Brown is going to be barbequed during the next couple days.

Let the mud slinging begin!

Yes but then the Internet Independents will rip the Democrats for their lies and distortions.

At the end of the day, the credability of the Democratic party will suffer yet again.

Posted: 9/27/2005 10:35:31 AM EDT

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How about a link to that article.

You guys really need to comprehend copyright laws. You can take a quote from the article and provide a link, but you can not copy/paste the entire article!

Posted: 9/27/2005 10:36:42 AM EDT

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Wow. This will get ignored completely, by BOTH sides.

Posted: 9/27/2005 10:40:20 AM EDT

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The media is going to paint him as someone with a political axe to grind because his qualifications were called into question. The Dems will be responding to his testimony by the end of the day . . . at the latest. Dems don't fight fair; Brown is going to be barbequed during the next couple days.

Let the mud slinging begin!

Yes but then the Internet Independents will rip the Democrats for their lies and distortions.

At the end of the day, the credability of the Democratic party will suffer yet again.

What credibility?

Posted: 9/27/2005 10:42:23 AM EDT

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How about a link to that article.

You guys really need to comprehend copyright laws. You can take a quote from the article and provide a link, but you can not copy/paste the entire article!

1. AOL News will not permit you to link
2. NO you can quote a entire article as long as you include the attrabutions.

Posted: 9/27/2005 10:43:11 AM EDT

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The media is going to paint him as someone with a political axe to grind because his qualifications were called into question. The Dems will be responding to his testimony by the end of the day . . . at the latest. Dems don't fight fair; Brown is going to be barbequed during the next couple days.

Let the mud slinging begin!

Yes but then the Internet Independents will rip the Democrats for their lies and distortions.

At the end of the day, the credability of the Democratic party will suffer yet again.

What credibility?

You get your news from the Internet, dont you?

Posted: 9/27/2005 10:56:33 AM EDT

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On another note, this is scary as it pushes the idea of federalizing which will provide some future pres with too much power in my book.

Yep, I've heard some congressmen discussing doing away with the Posse Comitatus act. We DO NOT Need to give the Federal Government any more authority.

357mag

Posted: 9/27/2005 10:59:34 AM EDT

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One thing I say about Brown is, he's not taking crap off of any of the reps barking at him.

Posted: 9/27/2005 11:15:46 AM EDT

[#28]

Brown's testimony does have implications for Bush. Either we believe that Brown screwed up and deserved to be whacked or Bush succumbed to political pressure and made Brown the scapegoat.

I don't know if we can have it both ways.

Posted: 9/27/2005 11:22:04 AM EDT

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Brown's testimony does have implications for Bush. Either we believe that Brown screwed up and deserved to be whacked or Bush succumbed to political pressure and made Brown the scapegoat.

I don't know if we can have it both ways.

I agree. I have supported Bush all along. But bending-over for the democraps/liberals and admitting fault was BS. And now that it looks like he may have allowed the Brown thing to be a scapegoat, I am really not too happy with him. I have had framed pics of GW and Ronald Reagan above my office desk for years now... even through all of the crap these past few years (like illegal immigration, etc). But I am seriously considering taking the GW pic down right now. It may be just me and Ronnie in here soon...

Posted: 9/27/2005 11:27:02 AM EDT

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Brown's testimony does have implications for Bush. Either we believe that Brown screwed up and deserved to be whacked or Bush succumbed to political pressure and made Brown the scapegoat.

I don't know if we can have it both ways.

I agree. I have supported Bush all along. But bending-over for the democraps/liberals and admitting fault was BS. And now that it looks like he may have allowed the Brown thing to be a scapegoat, I am really not too happy with him. I have had framed pics of GW and Ronald Reagan above my office desk for years now... even through all of the crap these past few years (like illegal immigration, etc). But I am seriously considering taking the GW pic down right now. It may be just me and Ronnie in here soon...

No it doesnt mean either thing necessacerily.

It looks like he got so fed up with the situation that he quit. He has not said that he was asked to vacate his post.

Untill he does it doesnt mean Bush did anything wrong either.

Posted: 9/27/2005 11:27:39 AM EDT

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That's not all. A democratic rep from Mississippi actually asked him why FEMA didn't have assets in the cities BEFORE the hurricane and also why they didn't provide gas for evacuees... His reply was (paraphrasing here)" I am not about to put equipment and people in the path of a hurricane to be come victims themselves which will make them useless." He basicly pointed out the fact that the ~~state~~ INDIVIDUAL is responsible for its citizens during a disaster - now what a novel idea...

Fixed it for ya.

CMOS

Posted: 9/27/2005 11:33:15 AM EDT

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So what are the good people of Louisiana going to do to clean up this mess in their goverment?

You saw who the looters were, they're all Democrats. If anything the problem will get worse.

There are no Republicans in Louisiana?

After this mess, will any non-welfare recipiant remain a Democrat?

Billy Tauzin recently retired as a Republican Congressman from LA.

One of his sayings goes "Half of Louisiana is under water, and half is under indictment."

Posted: 9/27/2005 11:38:07 AM EDT

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Untill he does it doesnt mean Bush did anything wrong either.

The fact is... Bush still was WAY too eager to bend-over and take the blame for Katrina. That disappoints me greatly. He should've learned by now that comprimise and playing "nice" with democraps will NEVER EVER get you ANYWHERE. His dad did the same thing and he lost the election because of it. I had high hopes for George, but I am starting to think that maybe the term "compassionate conservative" is really just another name for "socialist like all the rest". It pains me to say that, because I have stood by GW for so long. But he's starting to lose me. And if he's losing such a diehard like me, then I guarantee you that he's losing (or already lost) a LOT of other conservatives. We are TIRED of weak leaders. More than any other trait, I admire Reagan's STRENGTH. Compared to anyone in the past ______ years, he was a 'badass'.

Posted: 9/27/2005 11:38:55 AM EDT

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So what are the good people of Louisiana going to do to clean up this mess in their goverment?

Have better qualified leaders, instead of asshats.

By just comparing between Katrina and Rita, you see the differences:
Rita: citizens followed advice from LOCAL and STATE officials and evac 2-3 days before Rita makes a landfall--approximately 1.2 to 2 mil people evac. up north and surrounding areas. Concerted effort to move disabled and/or poor (without transportation) people out of the supposed eye-of-the-storm areas. Out-of-gas vehicles which got stuck on highways were able to get 5 gals of gas from LOCAL and STATE trucks delivered along the highways so they can keep going to safer place/ and for gas.

Katrina: LOCAL and STATE were jogging for power, very slow to response what should be done. A portion of NO citizen ignored either to evac or too late to evac; there were no help for the disabled and poor, etc...The asshat governor decided to play a power game and didn't allow the FED to step in until it was too late. By the time SHTF, every citizens in NOLA wanted help. How the hell any organization helps all of them AT THE SAME TIME.
Ahh...The more I type about Katrina/NOLA, the more bullshits I notice....

Posted: 9/27/2005 12:28:16 PM EDT

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Davis pushed Brown on what he and the agency he led should have done to evacuate New Orleans, restore order in the city and improve communication among law enforcement agencies.

Brown said: "Those are not FEMA roles. FEMA doesn't evacuate communities. FEMA does not do law enforcement. FEMA does not do communications."

Somebody needs an owned pic.

Flash! aaaaaaa aaaaaaaaaaaa..... he's gonna save every one of us!

Posted: 9/27/2005 12:41:49 PM EDT

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Untill he does it doesnt mean Bush did anything wrong either.

The fact is... Bush still was WAY too eager to bend-over and take the blame for Katrina. That disappoints me greatly. He should've learned by now that comprimise and playing "nice" with democraps will NEVER EVER get you ANYWHERE. His dad did the same thing and he lost the election because of it. I had high hopes for George, but I am starting to think that maybe the term "compassionate conservative" is really just another name for "socialist like all the rest". It pains me to say that, because I have stood by GW for so long. But he's starting to lose me. And if he's losing such a diehard like me, then I guarantee you that he's losing (or already lost) a LOT of other conservatives. We are TIRED of weak leaders. More than any other trait, I admire Reagan's STRENGTH. Compared to anyone in the past ______ years, he was a 'badass'.

Badass??? I really liked Reagan, but badass? Just exactly how did we retaliate for the Beirut Marine barracks bombing? What's that, you say he did nothing.

Posted: 9/27/2005 12:43:24 PM EDT

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That's not all. A democratic rep from Mississippi actually asked him why FEMA didn't have assets in the cities BEFORE the hurricane and also why they didn't provide gas for evacuees... His reply was (paraphrasing here)" I am not about to put equipment and people in the path of a hurricane to be come victims themselves which will make them useless." He basicly pointed out the fact that the ~~state~~ INDIVIDUAL is responsible for its citizens during a disaster - now what a novel idea...

Fixed it for ya.

CMOS

Fixed it for you.

As for those that as so "disappointed in him, have you taken a long hard look at all the crap that has happened during his Presidency?

Posted: 9/27/2005 1:49:33 PM EDT

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Davis pushed Brown on what he and the agency he led should have done to evacuate New Orleans, restore order in the city and improve communication among law enforcement agencies.

Brown said: "Those are not FEMA roles. FEMA doesn't evacuate communities. FEMA does not do law enforcement. FEMA does not do communications."

interesting . . . .

And the truth.

Oh come now . . . if that was the truth the media wouldn't be blaming the Fed government for all the problems with Katrina. Do you really think the media would ~~tell us the wrong information~~ LIE.

Posted: 9/27/2005 1:54:25 PM EDT

[#39]

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Untill he does it doesnt mean Bush did anything wrong either.

The fact is... Bush still was WAY too eager to bend-over and take the blame for Katrina. That disappoints me greatly. He should've learned by now that comprimise and playing "nice" with democraps will NEVER EVER get you ANYWHERE. His dad did the same thing and he lost the election because of it. I had high hopes for George, but I am starting to think that maybe the term "compassionate conservative" is really just another name for "socialist like all the rest". It pains me to say that, because I have stood by GW for so long. But he's starting to lose me. And if he's losing such a diehard like me, then I guarantee you that he's losing (or already lost) a LOT of other conservatives. We are TIRED of weak leaders. More than any other trait, I admire Reagan's STRENGTH. Compared to anyone in the past ______ years, he was a 'badass'.

Badass??? I really liked Reagan, but badass? Just exactly how did we retaliate for the Beirut Marine barracks bombing? What's that, you say he did nothing.

We came down on those mother fuckers like the hammer of Thor it'sSelf!!!!

Crushed them like insignificant worms.

Oh wait.... no we didn't.

Posted: 9/27/2005 1:55:48 PM EDT

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Badass??? I really liked Reagan, but badass? Just exactly how did we retaliate for the Beirut Marine barracks bombing? What's that, you say he did nothing.

Reagan wasn't perfect. But compared to any president within 4 or more terms before/after him, he was the SHIZZLE. Yeah, in my book a "badass" of sorts. He had the guts to stand-up and tell the half-century dem-controlled congress how things were going to be. And he MEANT what he said. And when a group of Air Traffic Controllers decided they were going to hold the country hostage for financial gain, he freakin' FIRED their arses. Yeah, The Gipper was a "badass". Do you honestly think any Pres in the recent past would have had the guts to do that? I would vote for Reagan to arise from the grave and lead the country if there was a chance he'd do it. Or I suppose you have some "independant" stud in mind for getting this country out of the crapper. Or Ted Nugent? Just because Ted can talk big, does not mean he could get things done (the Governator is learning that now). Reagan DID get things done.

Posted: 9/27/2005 4:17:01 PM EDT

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Badass??? I really liked Reagan, but badass? Just exactly how did we retaliate for the Beirut Marine barracks bombing? What's that, you say he did nothing.

Reagan wasn't perfect. But compared to any president within 4 or more terms before/after him, he was the SHIZZLE. Yeah, in my book a "badass" of sorts. He had the guts to stand-up and tell the half-century dem-controlled congress how things were going to be. And he MEANT what he said. And when a group of Air Traffic Controllers decided they were going to hold the country hostage for financial gain, he freakin' FIRED their arses. Yeah, The Gipper was a "badass". Do you honestly think any Pres in the recent past would have had the guts to do that? I would vote for Reagan to arise from the grave and lead the country if there was a chance he'd do it. Or I suppose you have some "independant" stud in mind for getting this country out of the crapper. Or Ted Nugent? Just because Ted can talk big, does not mean he could get things done (the Governator is learning that now). Reagan DID get things done.

um, he did sign the law that effectively caused the price of machine guns to rocket beyond the means of many solid citizens. Of course, it was a democrat initiated law, but he should have vetoed it. He did more damage to the second amendment than Klinton.

Posted: 9/27/2005 4:21:36 PM EDT

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Badass??? I really liked Reagan, but badass? Just exactly how did we retaliate for the Beirut Marine barracks bombing? What's that, you say he did nothing.

Reagan wasn't perfect. But compared to any president within 4 or more terms before/after him, he was the SHIZZLE. Yeah, in my book a "badass" of sorts. He had the guts to stand-up and tell the half-century dem-controlled congress how things were going to be. And he MEANT what he said. And when a group of Air Traffic Controllers decided they were going to hold the country hostage for financial gain, he freakin' FIRED their arses. Yeah, The Gipper was a "badass". Do you honestly think any Pres in the recent past would have had the guts to do that? I would vote for Reagan to arise from the grave and lead the country if there was a chance he'd do it. Or I suppose you have some "independant" stud in mind for getting this country out of the crapper. Or Ted Nugent? Just because Ted can talk big, does not mean he could get things done (the Governator is learning that now). Reagan DID get things done.

um, he did sign the law that effectively caused the price of machine guns to rocket beyond the means of many solid citizens. Of course, they were democrat initiated laws, but he should have vetoed it. He did more damage to the second amendment than Klinton.

The MG ban was a compromise part of a much larger bill. I believe it was known as the Firearm Owners' Protection Act. You really need to do some research on this, and Reagan in general.

Posted: 9/27/2005 4:25:42 PM EDT

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Badass??? I really liked Reagan, but badass? Just exactly how did we retaliate for the Beirut Marine barracks bombing? What's that, you say he did nothing.

Reagan wasn't perfect. But compared to any president within 4 or more terms before/after him, he was the SHIZZLE. Yeah, in my book a "badass" of sorts. He had the guts to stand-up and tell the half-century dem-controlled congress how things were going to be. And he MEANT what he said. And when a group of Air Traffic Controllers decided they were going to hold the country hostage for financial gain, he freakin' FIRED their arses. Yeah, The Gipper was a "badass". Do you honestly think any Pres in the recent past would have had the guts to do that? I would vote for Reagan to arise from the grave and lead the country if there was a chance he'd do it. Or I suppose you have some "independant" stud in mind for getting this country out of the crapper. Or Ted Nugent? Just because Ted can talk big, does not mean he could get things done (the Governator is learning that now). Reagan DID get things done.

um, he did sign the law that effectively caused the price of machine guns to rocket beyond the means of many solid citizens. Of course, they were democrat initiated laws, but he should have vetoed it. He did more damage to the second amendment than Klinton.

The MG ban was a compromise part of a much larger bill. I believe it was known as the Firearm Owners' Protection Act. You really need to do some research on this, and Reagan in general.

Yes, I know we got a little for losing MG, but we lost a whole class of weapons. My opinion, he shouldn't compromised away the 2nd. Not him at least.

Posted: 9/27/2005 4:28:03 PM EDT

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Yes, I know we got a little for losing MG, but we lost a whole class of weapons. My opinion, he shouldn't compromised away the 2nd. Not him at least.

Do you know who the sponsor in the House was and his NRA rating?

Posted: 9/27/2005 4:35:41 PM EDT

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Posted: 9/27/2005 4:37:32 PM EDT

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Badass??? I really liked Reagan, but badass? Just exactly how did we retaliate for the Beirut Marine barracks bombing? What's that, you say he did nothing.

Reagan wasn't perfect. But compared to any president within 4 or more terms before/after him, he was the SHIZZLE. Yeah, in my book a "badass" of sorts. He had the guts to stand-up and tell the half-century dem-controlled congress how things were going to be. And he MEANT what he said. And when a group of Air Traffic Controllers decided they were going to hold the country hostage for financial gain, he freakin' FIRED their arses. Yeah, The Gipper was a "badass". Do you honestly think any Pres in the recent past would have had the guts to do that? I would vote for Reagan to arise from the grave and lead the country if there was a chance he'd do it. Or I suppose you have some "independant" stud in mind for getting this country out of the crapper. Or Ted Nugent? Just because Ted can talk big, does not mean he could get things done (the Governator is learning that now). Reagan DID get things done.

Reagan was a good president, but he also signed the 1986 law regarding Class III weapons.

Posted: 9/27/2005 10:48:48 PM EDT

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The media is going to paint him as someone with a political axe to grind because his qualifications were called into question. The Dems will be responding to his testimony by the end of the day . . . at the latest. Dems don't fight fair; Brown is going to be barbequed during the next couple days.

Let the mud slinging begin!

Yes but then the Internet Independents will rip the Democrats for their lies and distortions.

At the end of the day, the credability of the Democratic party will suffer yet again.

What credibility?

Let's not forget the crediblity of the mainstream media too, will be further shot to hell.

Posted: 9/28/2005 4:26:30 AM EDT

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Davis pushed Brown on what he and the agency he led should have done to evacuate New Orleans, restore order in the city and improve communication among law enforcement agencies.

Brown said: "Those are not FEMA roles. FEMA doesn't evacuate communities. FEMA does not do law enforcement. FEMA does not do communications."
Somebody needs an owned pic.

Yep!

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