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Posted: 10/21/2004 4:38:29 PM EST
These are just hitting the streets. Our first one was delivered today. The DOHC engine has gone from 3.5L to 4.0L. They dumped the crappy strut front suspension and went to upper and lower arms. Haven't had a chance to get it in the air yet, but it looks to be a 2/3 scale version of the Titan/Armada, without the ugly back end of the Armada (IMO). They added a pair of small 3rd row jump seats for some reason. The vehicle just isn't big enough to warrant them, but I guess since everyone else does....

I didn't down size the pic of the window sticker, so if you want to see what it says go view it here:

img.photobucket.com/albums/v47/Pthfndr/PathfinderSticker.jpg

Here's the pics.















Link Posted: 10/21/2004 4:40:53 PM EST
The older Pathfinders had my favorite body style, but I simply did not fit inside the damned things.

This one's not too bad, although I'm not to impressed with the interior. Is it roomier than before?

Either way, I'll be sticking with my trusty Trooper.

I LOVE DA TROOPA!
Link Posted: 10/21/2004 5:38:57 PM EST
The front end looks nice, IMO - better than the Armada, in fact. The back end looks a little minivan-esque...
Link Posted: 10/21/2004 5:42:21 PM EST
From the front it looks like an Explorer, and from the back a new Durango.

I don't like it. However, ALL the brands seem to enjoy uglying up the outside while improving everything else. The first to do this was Toyota with the 'new' 4Runner. I've got a '99, and I think it's a best of breed in terms of appearance, however I'm sure the new ones kick its ass in terms of mechanics and interior quality.
Link Posted: 10/21/2004 5:44:02 PM EST
Apart from the gauge cluster, I like it.
Link Posted: 10/21/2004 5:44:58 PM EST
I can't stand that front end.
Link Posted: 10/21/2004 5:48:01 PM EST

Thanks for supporting the Japanese and putting American companies and American workers out of business and out of a job.

Link Posted: 10/21/2004 5:50:48 PM EST
The front end looks OK, but I'm not crazy about the backend. The sticker MSRP is leaving me with a bit of shock though....
Link Posted: 10/21/2004 5:54:53 PM EST
$37,000!

Yowza!
Link Posted: 10/21/2004 5:56:40 PM EST
[Last Edit: 10/21/2004 5:57:30 PM EST by TheKill]

Originally Posted By lippo:
Thanks for supporting the Japanese and putting American companies and American workers out of business and out of a job.



American companies are moving jobs to Mexico and Canada as fast as they can. News Flash: they would be doing it even if sales were through the roof......more profit margin either way. You can thank NAFTA....enacted by executive order of Bill Clinton.

EDIT: It's capitalism. If American companies and workers make a better car, more people buy it instead of the Jap car. Not real hard.
Link Posted: 10/21/2004 6:07:54 PM EST

Originally Posted By lippo:
Thanks for supporting the Japanese and putting American companies and American workers out of business and out of a job.




Notice the assembly plant listed on the sticker....Smyrna. That's in Georgia. More "japanese" cars are built here in the US than "american" cars these days, it seems.

Besides, if the US makers weren't cranking out so much high-cost, low-quality, Union-built CRAP, maybe foreign makes wouldn't be so successful here.
Link Posted: 10/21/2004 6:08:49 PM EST

Originally Posted By TheKill:

Originally Posted By lippo:
Thanks for supporting the Japanese and putting American companies and American workers out of business and out of a job.



American companies are moving jobs to Mexico and Canada as fast as they can. News Flash: they would be doing it even if sales were through the roof......more profit margin either way. You can thank NAFTA....enacted by executive order of Bill Clinton.

EDIT: It's capitalism. If American companies and workers make a better car, more people buy it instead of the Jap car. Not real hard.



Capitalism...yeah, I got it.

Just remember this, if you don't support the people, the retirement funds and the local economy, when you don't have a job, your retirement fund is gone, social security is bankrupt, YOU HAVE NOTHING TO BITCH ABOUT!

If we, as Americans, demand TOGETHER, that companies do NOT ship manufacturing jobs abroad, and that we will NOT purchase overseas products until the trade levels are fair, then and only then, will our enconomy truly come back. And we'll have more new jobs, than the news ones of working at a new McDonalds.

It's not about a better car now, with some kind of fancy features, it's about our NATIONS SURVIVAL. And I can't believe you are so blind to that fact.

Yes, if Americans want to purchase something, they have a right too. But they maybe cutting their own throats in the process. Think about it.
Link Posted: 10/21/2004 6:13:38 PM EST

Originally Posted By LOKNLOD:

Originally Posted By lippo:
Thanks for supporting the Japanese and putting American companies and American workers out of business and out of a job.




Notice the assembly plant listed on the sticker....Smyrna. That's in Georgia. More "japanese" cars are built here in the US than "american" cars these days, it seems.

Besides, if the US makers weren't cranking out so much high-cost, low-quality, Union-built CRAP, maybe foreign makes wouldn't be so successful here.



Where is the majority of the money going? TO JAPAN!

And you wouldn't be saying how great Japanese cars are if you worked where I worked a handful of years ago. Competitive assessment of competitor cars vs. GM. Their sheet metal is too thin to last. Their cars are great to start with, but fall apart after a short time. Do you see foreign cars that are over 5 to 7 years old? Not too many.

Link Posted: 10/21/2004 6:22:09 PM EST

Originally Posted By lippo:
It's not about a better car now, with some kind of fancy features, it's about our NATIONS SURVIVAL. And I can't believe you are so blind to that fact.

Yes, if Americans want to purchase something, they have a right too. But they maybe cutting their own throats in the process. Think about it.



Huh? You seem to want consumers to create an economic situation that would require a managed economy to otherwise create.

Don't blame the consumer for the slow vanishing of US manufacturing. Blame the business environment in the US. People jump to conclusions about big bad companies running for the border, and in some cases it's true. However, these same people ignore the enormous cost of creating product from raw material in the states. Outside of the labor cost, you have liability costs, Union problems, terrible environmental regs, OSHA, etc...

I wish that US manufacturing would make a strong comback. I'd love to work for a company that created material goods, and just didn't add a lump on the supply chain. Unfortunately, too many Americans are quite satisifed with exporting the dirty work so that they don't have to look at it.

Link Posted: 10/21/2004 6:27:29 PM EST
[Last Edit: 10/21/2004 6:29:13 PM EST by Mr45auto]
I'll just bite my tongue on the American vs foreign debate and say enjoy your new vehicle. I hope it'll serve you well. Not much for SUV's myself, our expedition is my least favorite vehicle to drive. My next will be an 05 F350 diesel. Of course that's at least a year or two down the road....I'll never buy new again.
Link Posted: 10/21/2004 6:31:29 PM EST

Originally Posted By LOKNLOD:

Notice the assembly plant listed on the sticker....Smyrna. That's in Georgia. More "japanese" cars are built here in the US than "american" cars these days, it seems.

Besides, if the US makers weren't cranking out so much high-cost, low-quality, Union-built CRAP, maybe foreign makes wouldn't be so successful here.



Yeah, my sister's Mazda is made in Tennessee I believe.

And our Saab dealer told us to not buy a new model Saab because they're made in the US now with GM parts, and the quality dropped from when they were made in Sweden he feels
Link Posted: 10/21/2004 6:43:04 PM EST
Got it to 140 yet?
Link Posted: 10/21/2004 6:46:06 PM EST
[Last Edit: 10/21/2004 6:50:30 PM EST by LOKNLOD]

Originally Posted By lippo:
And you wouldn't be saying how great Japanese cars are if you worked where I worked a handful of years ago. Competitive assessment of competitor cars vs. GM. Their sheet metal is too thin to last. Their cars are great to start with, but fall apart after a short time. Do you see foreign cars that are over 5 to 7 years old? Not too many.



Japanese cars/trucks over 5 to 7 years old? Aside from driving one myself (94 Toyota pickup -- and I hope my wife's Isuzu Rodeo doesn't suddenly crap out next year when it hits 5 years old)), we can go drive around town and look at the HORDES of older Jap vehicles everywhere. If they fall apart, why do they hold value better than the American competitors? In the small car market, the Japanese vehicles were/are VASTLY superior to their US counterparts.

GM is the only US maker I'd buy anyway, but go compare some early 90s GM cars with early 90s Toyota or Honda cars. I think you'll find a lot more of the latter still on the road.

Trucks are a different beast -- trucks aren't viewed as "disposable" and people do everything to keep them running forever. But for all those Chevy and Ford pickups that are on their 3rd rebuild, there are a lot of old Toyota pickups that are limping along with hardly any maintenance at all.

Where'd you do competitive assessments at? Mine were growing up at my dad's shop working on all of them. Fords kept us busier than anything

You have a reasonable arguement with keeping money with American companies, but arguing against Jap cars on grounds of reliability and build quality, is just plain silly

Edited because some of my grammar was making it look like Japanese was my first language
Link Posted: 10/21/2004 6:49:01 PM EST

Originally Posted By DriftPunch:

Originally Posted By lippo:
It's not about a better car now, with some kind of fancy features, it's about our NATIONS SURVIVAL. And I can't believe you are so blind to that fact.

Yes, if Americans want to purchase something, they have a right too. But they maybe cutting their own throats in the process. Think about it.



Huh? You seem to want consumers to create an economic situation that would require a managed economy to otherwise create.

Don't blame the consumer for the slow vanishing of US manufacturing. Blame the business environment in the US. People jump to conclusions about big bad companies running for the border, and in some cases it's true. However, these same people ignore the enormous cost of creating product from raw material in the states. Outside of the labor cost, you have liability costs, Union problems, terrible environmental regs, OSHA, etc...

I wish that US manufacturing would make a strong comback. I'd love to work for a company that created material goods, and just didn't add a lump on the supply chain. Unfortunately, too many Americans are quite satisifed with exporting the dirty work so that they don't have to look at it.




Ditto. "Teaming up to demand....blah blah". You have the right idea but the wrong concept.

"Surviving as a nation" GOOD.

"Preserving American jobs": GOOD

Doing it through socialism: BAD.

Doing it from the other end.......as in, every worker become a hard working innovator excelling individually in order to improve the overall quality and health of our domestic products and therefore our economy: GOOD.

Like I said, CAPITALISM. Either way, the goal is met, but if you want to do it through socialist philosphies, then you better be prepared to live with those same philosopies in other areas of our national life. You can see where THAT is taking us.

Shit.....I can't believe I am having this conversation on ARFCOM!!!!!
Link Posted: 10/21/2004 6:53:11 PM EST
[Last Edit: 10/21/2004 6:53:49 PM EST by bulldog1967]

Originally Posted By lippo:
Thanks for supporting the Japanese and putting American companies and American workers out of business and out of a job.





I'll make sure to tell the American workers who built that truck in Smyrna Georgia that.

Dumbass.




Link Posted: 10/21/2004 7:20:02 PM EST

Originally Posted By lippo:

Where is the majority of the money going? TO JAPAN!



You're wrong.

By the time the American factory workers, American parts suppliers, American transportation services, American car dealers, American utility providers and national, state and local taxes are paid, almost nothing leaves the nation.
Link Posted: 10/21/2004 7:20:49 PM EST
[Last Edit: 10/21/2004 7:21:52 PM EST by CFII]

Originally Posted By Skibane:

Originally Posted By lippo:

Where is the majority of the money going? TO JAPAN!



You're wrong.

By the time the American factory workers, American parts suppliers, American transportation services, American car dealers, American utility providers and national, state and local taxes are paid, almost nothing leaves the nation.



Exactly. That is why it is Nissan of NORTH AMERICA.
Link Posted: 10/21/2004 7:59:06 PM EST

Originally Posted By LOKNLOD:

Originally Posted By lippo:
And you wouldn't be saying how great Japanese cars are if you worked where I worked a handful of years ago. Competitive assessment of competitor cars vs. GM. Their sheet metal is too thin to last. Their cars are great to start with, but fall apart after a short time. Do you see foreign cars that are over 5 to 7 years old? Not too many.



Japanese cars/trucks over 5 to 7 years old? Aside from driving one myself (94 Toyota pickup -- and I hope my wife's Isuzu Rodeo doesn't suddenly crap out next year when it hits 5 years old)), we can go drive around town and look at the HORDES of older Jap vehicles everywhere. If they fall apart, why do they hold value better than the American competitors? In the small car market, the Japanese vehicles were/are VASTLY superior to their US counterparts.



+1 - I can show you alot more 10-15 year old Toyota Camry and Honda Accord's around here that are still running well than Pontiac Grand Ams or Chevy Cavaliers of the same vintage. Just more anecdotal evidence, but my girlfriend just got rid of her 95 Olds Cierra with about 80K miles after it was in the shop about 4 times in two months for various electrical and mechanical problems. My 1991 Camry is still running fine with over 200K miles. Sorry, but American cars still cannot compete in this market segment.
Link Posted: 10/21/2004 7:59:41 PM EST
Another piece of fugly plastic crap.
Link Posted: 10/21/2004 8:00:22 PM EST
Not a SUV person here, Im going to keep my POS.
Link Posted: 10/21/2004 8:43:52 PM EST
NEWSFLASH!!!!

There's more than one Smyrna. Nissan's factory is in Smyrna, TN just south of Nashville.
Link Posted: 10/21/2004 8:59:37 PM EST
They made real Pathfinders in '87! I loved mine!



Kidding, but I did like that the old Pfinders were just Hardbodies with a cover. Most SUVs are overdone nowadays but hey, they are for soccer moms more or less anyway.
Link Posted: 10/21/2004 9:09:05 PM EST
Am I the only one that noticed the V6 on that engine?
Link Posted: 10/21/2004 9:12:12 PM EST

Originally Posted By Pthfndr:
These are just hitting the streets. Our first one was delivered today.



Looks and sounds like a Budget QX4 by the specs .
Link Posted: 10/21/2004 9:25:18 PM EST

Originally Posted By chrome1:

Originally Posted By Pthfndr:
These are just hitting the streets. Our first one was delivered today.



Looks and sounds like a Budget QX4 by the specs .



Actually, the QX4 is a gussied up, over priced Pathfinder
Link Posted: 10/21/2004 9:27:21 PM EST

Originally Posted By Sammich:
Am I the only one that noticed the V6 on that engine?



Pathfinders have always had a V6. That's the same engine that's been used since 2000, now expanded to 4.0L. What do you find unusual about it?
Link Posted: 10/21/2004 9:51:41 PM EST

Originally Posted By TheKill:
... You can thank NAFTA....enacted by executive order of Bill Clinton...



NAFTA negotiated by George Bush Sr., passed by Congress.
Link Posted: 10/21/2004 10:09:38 PM EST

Originally Posted By Skibane:

Originally Posted By lippo:

Where is the majority of the money going? TO JAPAN!



You're wrong.

By the time the American factory workers, American parts suppliers, American transportation services, American car dealers, American utility providers and national, state and local taxes are paid, almost nothing leaves the nation.



Not to mention that a good number of foreign car makers are owned whole or in part by American Car companies.

S.O.
Link Posted: 10/22/2004 4:27:56 AM EST

Originally Posted By SorryOciffer:

Not to mention that a good number of foreign car makers are owned whole or in part by American Car companies.

S.O.



I have read that the GM Pension fund is the 3rd largest share holder of Toyota stock.
Link Posted: 10/22/2004 4:37:18 AM EST

Originally Posted By lippo:
Thanks for supporting the Japanese and putting American companies and American workers out of business and out of a job.




STFU!

The 2005 Pathfinder is made in Smyrna, Tennessee.

What about all the AMERICANS that Nissan EMPLOYS as mechanics, salesmen, service writers, car carrier drivers, building maintanance, bodyshop, parts salesmen??? Your attitude shows that you don't think when the unionists say something. The company might be Japanese, but the people that do the work seem to be American.
Link Posted: 10/22/2004 4:49:09 AM EST
Free trade is a good thing. Buying foreign suff isn't such a good thing. Sure some of it may be built in the US and therefor it employs some Americans. But where is the management and engineering work done? Do you really think that only a small portion of the profit leaves the country? You must be kidding. Do you think all those CEO's, CFO's and big wigs will give up the lions share? Really?
I'm glad we have more open borders for manufacturing. It gives American copanies a way to produce for less. Do you like paying more? Sure it's tough for some of the union folks that have an entitlement attitude about their jobs. They can work for the jap companies or , God forbid, take advantage of the opportunities most companies provide and go to COLLEGE and get an EDUCATION. Nothing is static folks, the US will not be a hotspot of production forever. There are a lot of developing nations doing what we did during the industrial revolution. They're going to do what it takes to get the jobs to better themselves. Do you blame them?
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