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Posted: 6/26/2002 11:05:23 PM EDT
[URL]http://www.asile.org/citoyens/numero13/pentagone/erreurs_en.htm[/URL] Ran across this site and nothing against the tragedy of the world trade towers, but this "Pentagon" impact is intriging. What ya'll think? Or is it a bunch of BS?
Link Posted: 6/26/2002 11:17:27 PM EDT
Go to the snopes.com Urban Legends website and check out "Rumors of War." This "where's the plane?" line of inquiry is a hoax with a hint of French anti-Americanism to it. Too many people saw the plane come in, but because there's no video (like the WTC) it's open to this kind of speculation.
Link Posted: 6/26/2002 11:31:11 PM EDT
Link Posted: 6/26/2002 11:49:14 PM EDT
Yeah, that guy also says that the jets that crashed into the WTC were remote controlled by the US gov't because we all know suicide is against Moslem beliefs (haha). French people suck, end of story.
Link Posted: 6/27/2002 12:11:48 AM EDT
The funny thing is the only people that like the French, are themselves. They are the most stuck up, no right to be arrogant people IMO. Even my Canadian Boss says, F the bastards.
Link Posted: 6/27/2002 12:34:26 AM EDT
I sorry folks but I need to make some corrections in the tearms your using here. As per Federal Order 1634.28 section F, subsection 126, chapter 58 paragraph 2: "The European people known untill this point as "the French" shall no longer be refered to in such a manner. Henceforth they are to be known in all official and unoffical communitactions as "Cheese Eating Surrender Monkeys" In additon the land mass of Europe where these people, The Cheese Eating Surrender Monkeys reside shall no longer be known as the pegorative, "France" but will be henceforth known as "RUNAWAY!!!!" Please make note of these offical changes
Link Posted: 6/27/2002 1:08:19 AM EDT
Come on, Take a look at the pics of the WTC before the collapse. Do you see the debris of any aircraft? What happened to the airplane pieces? If the jet fuel got hot enough to melt the "I" beams in the elevator shaft, that caused the building to collapse, do you honestly think that it was a different story at the Pentagon? Give me a break!!! Of course there was no real debris, it was obilterated and burned up!!! Oh, I know, the airplanes didn't really hit the WTC the videos are fake, and it was really a nut with a bomb strapped to him in the elevator shaft! Yeah, that's the ticket! And I think he used a mail cart to transport the bombs, yeah, yeah, that's it!!! WHATEVER!!
Link Posted: 6/27/2002 1:46:25 AM EDT
Well I'm glad you guys debunked it. Woulda really sucked if it were even remotely true.
Link Posted: 6/27/2002 3:37:41 AM EDT
It's a governmetn con ... actually, it's a bunch of stupid french guys.
Link Posted: 6/27/2002 4:36:31 AM EDT
Originally Posted By Jetlag: we all know suicide is against Moslem beliefs (haha).
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Just ask any palestinean.
Link Posted: 6/27/2002 5:51:23 AM EDT
They leave out facts that don't fit in their conspiracy theory. A good conspiracy theory accounts for all of those other facts. Any cartographers here? I think we'd see less of this stuff if we relabeled "France" as "New West Germany" on maps. [:D]
Link Posted: 6/27/2002 5:56:05 AM EDT
Given their history why would anyone take anything they say seriously . How many times have we bailed their asses out ? France - The Jerry's Kids of the World !!
Link Posted: 6/27/2002 6:06:14 AM EDT
Originally Posted By Santyth:
Originally Posted By Jetlag: we all know suicide is against Moslem beliefs (haha).
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Just ask any palestinean.
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(sarcasm mode ON) They will say that it was Bush Jr. that organized everything with the help of the Mossad. Why? Because Muslims don't strap explosive belt to kill Jews: it's against the Quran. Because Muslims don't hijack airplanes to hit skyscrapers to kill everyone: it's against the Quran. Hijackers and kamikazes are Mossad agents to allow Americans and Israelis to make war against unarmed, pacific poor arabic people. (sarcasm mode OFF) ok... let effects of LSD aside and let's talk about reality [}:D]
Link Posted: 6/27/2002 7:12:34 AM EDT
Originally Posted By Xero: [URL]http://www.asile.org/citoyens/numero13/pentagone/erreurs_en.htm[/URL] Ran across this site and nothing against the tragedy of the world trade towers, but this "Pentagon" impact is intriging. What ya'll think? Or is it a bunch of BS?
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Not the least bit intriguing to anyone with a brain and it is BS.
Link Posted: 6/27/2002 7:47:02 AM EDT
Originally Posted By Mordwyn: I sorry folks but I need to make some corrections in the tearms your using here. As per Federal Order 1634.28 section F, subsection 126, chapter 58 paragraph 2: "The European people known untill this point as "the French" shall no longer be refered to in such a manner. Henceforth they are to be known in all official and unoffical communitactions as "Cheese Eating Surrender Monkeys" In additon the land mass of Europe where these people, The Cheese Eating Surrender Monkeys reside shall no longer be known as the pegorative, "France" but will be henceforth known as "RUNAWAY!!!!" Please make note of these offical changes
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As per Federal Order 1634.28 section F, subsection 126, chapter 58 paragraph 2.1.1.1: [u]The Flag[/u] The flag of the "Runaways" shall be entirely white, and held in a wire frame to prevent it from ever drooping. The flag-carrier shall hold the flag such that the flag always preceeds the pole. This ensures the "Runaways" true intended direction.
Link Posted: 6/27/2002 7:58:05 AM EDT
Hey, you'd be really fucked up in the head too if you had to drive French cars and shoot French guns. Give the poor bastards a break.
Link Posted: 6/27/2002 5:13:13 PM EDT
starsil9 called it: if burning jet fuel can melt steel like butter, baby, what might it do to softer aircraft aluminum alloy? Personally, my Folks are all British Isles born&raised--- I'm genetically pre-disposed to hate the treacherous Frogs.
Link Posted: 6/27/2002 5:40:50 PM EDT
I grew up in a small town just outside of Canada, in New Hampshire, that was made up predominantly of people of French descent, myself included. I had always been proud of my French heritage. Heck, my father even spoke French as his first language, as many people from his generation did in that area. After he came back from WWII, he was disullusioned with the French, saying a how much they were "cheese-eating surrender monkeys" (well, not his exact words, but that's a paraphrase). I didn't believe him entirely until I met some French and our conversation eventually turned to politics. They said that the US were "fools" to allow guns in the country and that we were "stupid" for not having a socialist party run for the presidency. Not at all politely either, just real arrogantly! Well, it was all that I could do to not knock the frommage out of him! I haven't been able to be proud of being French since!
Link Posted: 6/27/2002 5:53:15 PM EDT
Originally Posted By marvl: Hey, you'd be really fucked up in the head too if you had to drive French cars and shoot French guns. Give the poor bastards a break.
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You mean their guns, including military and police, actually ever get fired?
Link Posted: 6/27/2002 5:54:19 PM EDT
"An airplane collided with the Pentagon..." As if the Pentagon just happened to be floating around the DC airspace and this innocent little jetliner bumped into it... Geez, you bunch of frog-eating cowards, at least get your grammar right!
Link Posted: 6/27/2002 6:02:57 PM EDT
[Last Edit: 6/27/2002 6:04:00 PM EDT by poikilotrm]
Originally Posted By Flanj: starsil9 called it: if burning jet fuel can melt steel like butter, baby, what might it do to softer aircraft aluminum alloy? Personally, my Folks are all British Isles born&raised--- I'm genetically pre-disposed to hate the treacherous Frogs.
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You can't melt steel with kerosene, you can't even soften it enough to deform easily. It is one of the many unanswered questions of the WTC collapse.
Link Posted: 6/27/2002 6:24:06 PM EDT
You can't melt steel with kerosene????? duh.. a good adiabatic burn of jet fuel (aka kerosene) is well over 2500 deg F. Steel starts to lose strength at 700 deg F. And you don't melt it in a fire, it loses strength and fails. Then you get Euler buckling of columns or excessive deflection in beams and collapse, etc.... And there were tons of aircraft parts found at both sites. And bodies of confirmed passagers at both sites. And witnesses at both sites. And the website that started this thread is down so who cares...but the French do suck and so do the Israelis (I've been to both places). Byron Professional Engineer Fire Fighter Fire and Explosion Investigator
Link Posted: 6/27/2002 6:52:02 PM EDT
A plane did hit the Pentagon, I saw the mess, the carnage, the injured, the parts...plane parts, body parts, little kid's dolls, so please don't think that we made it all up. And for those that actually saw it fly into the Pentagon? They must have been imagining things right?
Link Posted: 6/27/2002 7:38:45 PM EDT
The one question that I have never heard explained by the 9/11 conspiracy theorists is: "If Flight 77 didn't crash into the Pentagon on September 11th, what happened to the plane? What also happened to all of the below listed crew and passengers?" AMERICAN AIRLINES FLIGHT 77 CREW Charles Burlingame David Charlebois Michele Heidenberger Jennifer Lewis Kenneth Lewis Renee May PASSENGERS Paul Ambrose Yeneneh Betru M.J. Booth Bernard Brown Suzanne Calley William Caswell Sarah Clark Asia Cottom James Debeuneure Rodney Dickens Eddie Dillard Charles Droz Barbara Edwards Charles S. Falkenberg Zoe Falkenberg Dana Falkenberg Joe Ferguson Wilson "Bud" Flagg Dee Flagg Richard Gabriel Ian Gray Stanley Hall Bryan Jack Steven D. "Jake" Jacoby Ann Judge Chandler Keller Yvonne Kennedy Norma Khan Karen A. Kincaid Norma Langsteuerle Dong Lee Dora Menchaca Christopher Newton Barbara Olson Ruben Ornedo Robert Penniger Lisa Raines Todd Reuben John Sammartino Diane Simmons George Simmons Mari-Rae Sopper Bob Speisman Hilda Taylor Leonard Taylor Leslie A. Whittington John Yamnicky Vicki Yancey Shuyin Yang Yuguag Zheng [url]http://www.cnn.com/SPECIALS/2001/trade.center/victims/AA77.victims.html[/url] Take a look at the above URL and read some of the short bios of the Flight 77 victims. Feel free to remind the next Pentagon conspiracy assclown of how they are cheapening the victim's memories with their delusional thrill ride.
Link Posted: 6/27/2002 10:35:25 PM EDT
I think a senators wife was on flight #77. I typically am entertained by conspiracy theories, but this one was put togeather by a bunch of morons.
Link Posted: 6/27/2002 10:53:59 PM EDT
Link Posted: 6/28/2002 10:24:36 AM EDT
Originally Posted By h2ologged: You can't melt steel with kerosene????? duh.. a good adiabatic burn of jet fuel (aka kerosene) is well over 2500 deg F. Steel starts to lose strength at 700 deg F. And you don't melt it in a fire, it loses strength and fails. Then you get Euler buckling of columns or excessive deflection in beams and collapse, etc.... And there were tons of aircraft parts found at both sites. And bodies of confirmed passagers at both sites. And witnesses at both sites. And the website that started this thread is down so who cares...but the French do suck and so do the Israelis (I've been to both places). Byron Professional Engineer Fire Fighter Fire and Explosion Investigator
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And you think that spraying kerosene into an open area will lead to an adiabatic burn? I was under the impression, if you will forgive my ignorance, that for an adiabatic burn to occur using kerosene it would require high speed compressed/forced air flow, not just spread out fuel burning in a room. Also, since that type of burn probably won't give you 700F, much less 700C, the idea of softening in surrounding beams becomes somewhat less likely I should think. Add to that that the fuel burned out rather rapidly, and so the steel was then able to cool, and you end up with a conundrum which has been written about and puzzled over in architectural periodicals ever since. If the archetects and structural engineers can't figure it out after weighing the evidence, how is it that you so rapidly did? Perhaps you should give these men the benefit of your experience, and solve the problem for them. When I watched the collapse, over and over, it seemed that the collapse didn't start with the immediate area, but with areas in the structure above and below the strike. But hey, what do I know?
Link Posted: 6/28/2002 11:34:22 AM EDT
Well I disagree with most of you. I feel that a 757 wasn't the plane that hit the pentagon. It seems more probable that a Gobal Hawk drone hit the pentagon instead. I've argured this before and don't feel like getting into it again. Just be patient. With all the crap surfacing on Bush and his buddies, it's only a matter of time before this terrorist scam is exposed. Er.. oops. I forgot. I wasn't supposed to say that.You're right, it's a conspiracy. There's pictures that show all the bodies and plane parts. Yea, that's the ticket. Yea...
Link Posted: 6/28/2002 12:06:43 PM EDT
Sometimes I forget how large the tinfoil hat crowd is on this site. Answer, tinfoil hat people, where is the plane and the people on Ft. 77? Are they being held in Roswell? Idiots!
Link Posted: 6/28/2002 1:07:39 PM EDT
Originally Posted By Johnny_Reno: The one question that I have never heard explained by the 9/11 conspiracy theorists is: "If Flight 77 didn't crash into the Pentagon on September 11th, what happened to the plane? What also happened to all of the below listed crew and passengers?" AMERICAN AIRLINES FLIGHT 77 CREW Charles Burlingame David Charlebois Michele Heidenberger Jennifer Lewis Kenneth Lewis Renee May PASSENGERS Paul Ambrose Yeneneh Betru M.J. Booth Bernard Brown Suzanne Calley William Caswell Sarah Clark Asia Cottom James Debeuneure Rodney Dickens Eddie Dillard Charles Droz Barbara Edwards Charles S. Falkenberg Zoe Falkenberg Dana Falkenberg Joe Ferguson Wilson "Bud" Flagg Dee Flagg Richard Gabriel Ian Gray Stanley Hall Bryan Jack Steven D. "Jake" Jacoby Ann Judge Chandler Keller Yvonne Kennedy Norma Khan Karen A. Kincaid Norma Langsteuerle Dong Lee Dora Menchaca Christopher Newton Barbara Olson Ruben Ornedo Robert Penniger Lisa Raines Todd Reuben John Sammartino Diane Simmons George Simmons Mari-Rae Sopper Bob Speisman Hilda Taylor Leonard Taylor Leslie A. Whittington John Yamnicky Vicki Yancey Shuyin Yang Yuguag Zheng [url]http://www.cnn.com/SPECIALS/2001/trade.center/victims/AA77.victims.html[/url] Take a look at the above URL and read some of the short bios of the Flight 77 victims. Feel free to remind the next Pentagon conspiracy assclown of how they are cheapening the victim's memories with their delusional thrill ride.
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You know, it's no secret that I felt sick to my stomach on September 11th, along with most other "normal" Americans. Oddly, however, you never heard the media say one spit about children dying that day. Now I discover that there were two 11-year-olds and a 3-year-old aboard Flight 77. I'm sick to my stomach again. I thought we'd just been lucky in that regard. I guess not. I wonder how many other children's lives were snuffed out by these raghead (ban me if you want; a fact's a fact) bastards. Poor kids. I know I'll be shedding a tear tonight when my two-year-old welcomes me home...
Link Posted: 6/28/2002 1:23:54 PM EDT
Originally Posted By USNA91: Now I discover that there were two 11-year-olds and a 3-year-old aboard Flight 77. I'm sick to my stomach again. I thought we'd just been lucky in that regard. I guess not. ...
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I hear ya, nothing like the loss of an innocent child. Makes you appreciate more and more what you have if you have kids.
Link Posted: 6/28/2002 1:58:27 PM EDT
Originally Posted By slefelar: Sometimes I forget how large the tinfoil hat crowd is on this site. Answer, tinfoil hat people, where is the plane and the people on Ft. 77? Are they being held in Roswell? Idiots!
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They're either made up names, or part of the conspiracy.
Link Posted: 6/28/2002 6:09:32 PM EDT
Originally Posted By poikilotrm: You can't melt steel with kerosene, you can't even soften it enough to deform easily. It is one of the many unanswered questions of the WTC collapse.
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And another member of the tin-foil-hat crowd chimes in. The questions are only unanswered in the distorted little heads of weak minded conspiracy freaks.
Link Posted: 6/28/2002 6:12:47 PM EDT
^ | | | | | Government disinformation agent.
Link Posted: 6/28/2002 6:36:36 PM EDT
I don't think that the Pentagon was specifically the one set target for the hijackers, probably just one that was discernible and distinctive in the DC area. You can crash a plane into the ground floor of a building quite accurately if you have set your altimeter correctly and keep the autopilot engaged. Practice using the VOR navigation radios, and you will have to pick out your target visually and disengage the autopilot when you bring it in on a final approach. The thing that gets me on that webpage is the alleged "sanding over" of the lawn. They are constructing temporary roads for trucks and equipment to operate to remove debris. I don't know offhand the tare weights on these, but the typical load in a 10-wheel dump truck is about 23 tons, a trailer is good for about 40 tons. If you drive these onto normal lawns and uncompacted soils, the wheels will get stuck. So if that's not the reason the dump truck and dozer are there, they're "covering up" the evidence by employing contractors in full daylight hours by placing uniform compacted layers of sand and aggregate so that the evidence will never be found, right?
Link Posted: 6/28/2002 6:36:43 PM EDT
Originally Posted By LARRYG:
Originally Posted By poikilotrm: You can't melt steel with kerosene, you can't even soften it enough to deform easily. It is one of the many unanswered questions of the WTC collapse.
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And another member of the tin-foil-hat crowd chimes in. The questions are only unanswered in the distorted little heads of weak minded conspiracy freaks.
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[url]www.public-action.com/911/jmcm/physics_1.html[/url] I will be sure to move my tinfoil hat over my anus as a courtesy when you are giving it a vigorous kiss. Be sure to click the links at the site that are the bibliography.
Link Posted: 6/28/2002 6:38:22 PM EDT
Reminds me of when that stupid asshole Pierre Salinger told us all in his infinite wisdom that a U.S. Navy cruiser shoot down TWA 800. My uncle was at Henderson Hall that day. He saw the plane coming in and heard (and felt) the explosion.
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