Flashlights on Long Range Rifles...WTF

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Posted: 1/10/2006 1:57:02 PM EDT

Guns Magazine 2006 Combat Annual pg.94

Remington M24A2 with sound suppressor, Aramid Stock, monster scope (looks to 50mm obj) with huge sunshade
AND
and attached Surefire light (one of the larger ones M600?) with pressure tape switch mounted just in front of the bolt handle.

This isn't the first time I've seen this. Surefire's most recent magazine has several pictures of rifles similarly set up.

Enlighten me ARFCOM...otherwise I'll attribute this kind of thing to Asshat writers.

BTW: I know better than to buy this kind of drivel...I'm sticking to S.W.A.T solely from now on.

Posted: 1/10/2006 1:58:20 PM EDT

[#1]

might be useful if the rifle had a bayonet also

Posted: 1/10/2006 1:58:57 PM EDT

[#2]

I have a light mounted on one of my long range setups.............I use it to shoot coyotes in the dark of the night.

Posted: 1/10/2006 2:00:04 PM EDT

[#3]

$$$$$$$

It's SureFire trying to sell lights.

Posted: 1/10/2006 2:01:17 PM EDT

[#4]

Why not? If it's your primary weapon put a light on it.

Posted: 1/10/2006 2:07:55 PM EDT

[#5]

Snipers - real snipers - frequently operate in total darkness at ranges under 4m. A surefire is very useful for precision riflery at those distances. Don't ask me how I know. I could go to prison if I answered.

Posted: 1/10/2006 2:10:06 PM EDT

[#6]

Quoted:
Don't ask me how I know. I could go to prison if I answered.

Cowboy up and take a prison sentence for the team! How do you know?

Posted: 1/10/2006 2:10:29 PM EDT

[#7]

Too funny. I've been noticing the same thing for years.

Lately the fad has been the tactical rifle with x10 scope and a vertical pistol grip.

Posted: 1/10/2006 2:11:31 PM EDT

[#8]

Quoted:
Snipers - real snipers - frequently operate in total darkness at ranges under 4m. A surefire is very useful for precision riflery at those distances. Don't ask me how I know. I could go to prison if I answered.

I've read a few anecdotes regarding Carlos Hathcock's kills...some as close as 10 ft

I'm no sniper, but wouldn't illumination (especially 125+lumens) immediately disclose your position?

Posted: 1/10/2006 2:15:24 PM EDT

[#9]

Quoted:
Quoted:
Snipers - real snipers - frequently operate in total darkness at ranges under 4m. A surefire is very useful for precision riflery at those distances. Don't ask me how I know. I could go to prison if I answered.

I've read a few anecdotes regarding Carlos Hathcock's kills...some as close as 10 ft

I'm no sniper, but wouldn't illumination (especially 125+lumens) immediately disclose your position?

Um... yes.

It makes a nice target for return fire. The purpose of an extremely bright light in CQB is to not only identify your target, but to blind your opponent and make it harder for him to return fire.

If you extend the range to 50 meters or more, the blinding effect goes away and you have just made yourself a target. The only method that works well at this distance is to use the light momentarily, move, shoot, use the light, move, shoot, etc.

Posted: 1/10/2006 2:19:20 PM EDT

[#10]

so I guess the general consensus here is that the combination is pure asshattery and should be banned?

Posted: 1/10/2006 2:20:43 PM EDT

[#11]

Quoted:
so I guess the general consensus here is that the combination is pure asshattery and should be banned?

If a long range rifle is going to be used at night, it needs a night vision scope, not a flashlight.

Posted: 1/10/2006 2:21:04 PM EDT

[#12]

Quoted:
$$$$$$$

It's SureFire trying to sell lights.

lol...obviously.

in their mag "Combat Tactics" there are some rifles pictured with as many as 3 monster flashlights, an IR illuminator, red laser.

got to be at least 20 pounds of cowbell on some of those rifles.

Posted: 1/10/2006 2:21:24 PM EDT

[#13]

Quoted:
so I guess the general consensus here is that the combination is pure asshattery and should be banned?

Yep. It is only allowed on the Airsoft boards.

Posted: 1/10/2006 2:23:00 PM EDT

[#14]

Some units use the IR illuminator mounted to their sniper rifles because the base of the round will reflect the IR light, making an erstaz IR tracer.

Posted: 1/10/2006 2:24:16 PM EDT

[#15]

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Some units use the IR illuminator mounted to their sniper rifles because the base of the round will reflect the IR light, making an erstaz IR tracer.

I'd like to see that in person, I bet that is cool as hell.

Posted: 1/10/2006 2:24:20 PM EDT

[#16]

I need to write FMG publications and G&A for a full refund.

pure misrepresentation...

Posted: 1/10/2006 2:35:26 PM EDT

[#17]

Quoted:
I need to write FMG publications and G&A for a full refund.

pure misrepresentation...

Don't get your MARPAT panties twisted in a knot over it. I am sure police sharpshooters could make good use of illumination.

Posted: 1/10/2006 2:57:33 PM EDT

[#18]

Quoted:
Some units use the IR illuminator mounted to their sniper rifles because the base of the round will reflect the IR light, making an erstaz IR tracer.

How does that work with the recoil of the rifle, plus the trajectory of the bullet, Plus being a human and not being perfectly still.

Posted: 1/10/2006 3:00:15 PM EDT

[#19]

Quoted:
Quoted:
Some units use the IR illuminator mounted to their sniper rifles because the base of the round will reflect the IR light, making an erstaz IR tracer.

How does that work with the recoil of the rifle, plus the trajectory of the bullet, Plus being a human and not being perfectly still.

It's not an IR Laser it is an illuminator, so it has a pretty large area of coverage. Your are talking yards as range increases.

Posted: 1/10/2006 3:09:57 PM EDT

[#20]

Quoted:
Quoted:
Some units use the IR illuminator mounted to their sniper rifles because the base of the round will reflect the IR light, making an erstaz IR tracer.

How does that work with the recoil of the rifle, plus the trajectory of the bullet, Plus being a human and not being perfectly still.

If you're "human" (your word, not mine), maybe you aren't real sniper material, Nancy.

Posted: 1/10/2006 3:12:53 PM EDT

[#21]

Quoted:
Quoted:
Snipers - real snipers - frequently operate in total darkness at ranges under 4m. A surefire is very useful for precision riflery at those distances. Don't ask me how I know. I could go to prison if I answered.

I've read a few anecdotes regarding Carlos Hathcock's kills...some as close as 10 ft

See, that's the thing. We read about the "Glamor Boys" with their 1200 yard kills and such, but that's child's play. The real work - the stuff you never hear about - happens where a MOA is less than a micron. That's where men do their sniping. A guy I know

did 2 tours in 'Nam with a Winchester Model 70 in .308 with a longitudinally mounted 300 power microscope and a 6-cell coon lamp duct taped to the barrel. It wasnt easy work, but it had to be done.

Posted: 1/10/2006 3:17:13 PM EDT

[#22]

Lots o' bullshit in this thread.

Posted: 1/10/2006 3:20:30 PM EDT

[#23]

Likely used to hunt at night, not to kill haji's at night.

Is it legal to hunt by spot light at night? I've heard about it often enough.

Posted: 1/10/2006 3:26:26 PM EDT

[#24]

Quoted:
Some units use the IR illuminator mounted to their sniper rifles because the base of the round will reflect the IR light, making an erstaz IR tracer.

I would not want to be using an IR illuminator if the enemy is
equipped with even rudimentary NV, like the Draganov 'scope
being used by the BG's over in Iraq.

Posted: 1/10/2006 3:36:37 PM EDT

[#25]

Quoted:
Quoted:
Quoted:
Snipers - real snipers - frequently operate in total darkness at ranges under 4m. A surefire is very useful for precision riflery at those distances. Don't ask me how I know. I could go to prison if I answered.

I've read a few anecdotes regarding Carlos Hathcock's kills...some as close as 10 ft

See, that's the thing. We read about the "Glamor Boys" with their 1200 yard kills and such, but that's child's play. The real work - the stuff you never hear about - happens where a MOA is less than a micron. That's where men do their sniping. A guy I know did 2 tours in 'Nam with a Winchester Model 70 in .308 with a longitudinally mounted 300 power microscope and a 6-cell coon lamp duct taped to the barrel. It wasnt easy work, but it had to be done.

LOL

This has been a topic of discussion for me a few times in the past.

I didn't have much faith in Guns and Ammo to begin with, but after reading SureFire Combat Tactics, I'll never buy their stupid rag again. The Scott Reitz article about "urban sniping" is what really got my goat. He seemed to have a high opinion of himself and his methods, most of which involve lashing giant SureFire lamps onto precision rifles with 90mph tape and paracord, because according to the article, only newbies actually use M1913 rails to do that.

I have heard a lot of people contrarily tell me, "No way, Scott Reitz is a REAL professional." Maybe he was, but I'll not be taking classes with that dumbshit any day soon.

Posted: 1/10/2006 3:39:39 PM EDT

[#26]

Quoted:
Quoted:
Some units use the IR illuminator mounted to their sniper rifles because the base of the round will reflect the IR light, making an erstaz IR tracer.

I would not want to be using an IR illuminator if the enemy is
equipped with even rudimentary NV, like the Draganov 'scope
being used by the BG's over in Iraq.

If you look at most rifles used by both the line units and HSLD unit, you will notice IR lasers and illuminators on them. The PAQ-4 and PEQ 2, not to mention the PEQ-4 are well represented in use in Iraq and Afghanistan.

Posted: 1/10/2006 3:41:28 PM EDT

[#27]

It proabably has some use as a distraction device. Probably used in urban ares by LE.
Military snipers would rely on NV.

Posted: 1/10/2006 4:01:41 PM EDT

[#28]

what if they are giant IR spotlights?

Posted: 1/10/2006 4:03:44 PM EDT

[#29]

Quoted:
$$$$$$$

It's SureFire trying to sell lights.

Or it's a writer trying to justify his sample SureFire light from the Company.

Posted: 1/10/2006 7:32:20 PM EDT

[#30]

Quoted:
I would not want to be using an IR illuminator if the enemy is
equipped with even rudimentary NV, like the Draganov 'scope
being used by the BG's over in Iraq.

An active-IR 'detector' does not equate to NV, rudimentary or otherwise.

Posted: 1/10/2006 7:37:34 PM EDT

[#31]

Quoted:
I have heard a lot of people contrarily tell me, "No way, Scott Reitz is a REAL professional." Maybe he was, but I'll not be taking classes with that dumbshit any day soon.

- People around here never cease to amaze me. Skip his classes if you want....its only your skills that will suffer

Posted: 1/10/2006 8:39:06 PM EDT

[#32]

Real snipers all use the highspeed Rio Linda Surefire...

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