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Posted: 4/16/2016 2:01:15 PM EDT
[Last Edit: 4/16/2016 2:06:07 PM EDT by Smashy]

a.k.a. The Bohemian Wars, 1419-1434.





Featured the use of the war wagon, a train of heavily-built wagons with firing ports chained together. Handgonners would fire from inside.





They also had drop-down plates under the bottom to prevent enemy soldiers from crawling under the wagons to get inside.

Depending on the terrain Hussites prepared the carts to the battle forming them in square or circle. The carts were joined by means of the chain (wheel to wheel). Therefore the carts were located aslant (their corners attached to each other) in order to allow, if necessary, to harness the horses quickly. . In front of this wall of carts a ditch was dug by camp followers. The crew of each cart consists of 18-21 soldiers: 4-8 crossbowmen, 2 handgunners, 6-8 soldiers equipped with polearms and flails (flail was Hussite "national weapon"), 2 shield carries and 2 drivers. The wagons also had a little pocket of rocks in case the soldiers ran out of ammunition.

There were two different handguns used by the Hussites. One was called the "trestle gun"(nicknamed the hook gun) and it was used as field artillery on the wagons. The trestle gun was so heavy that it required a hook to the wagon, hence its nickname. The other gun was called the pistala (from the Czech word for flute, because of its shape, possibly became the word "pistol" in English).
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http://allempires.com/article/index.php?q=hussite_wars


A modern handgonne being fired.






Link Posted: 4/16/2016 2:02:52 PM EDT
[Last Edit: 4/16/2016 2:03:14 PM EDT by Polupharmakos]
F*** it I'm handfonning



Seriously, cool find OP.

Link Posted: 4/16/2016 2:48:24 PM EDT
I should get a handgonne...
Link Posted: 4/16/2016 2:49:50 PM EDT
Original Driveby.



Pretty cool stuff.
Link Posted: 4/16/2016 6:18:24 PM EDT
Someone's been spending too much time at the Renaissance Faire...
Link Posted: 4/16/2016 7:45:12 PM EDT
[Last Edit: 4/16/2016 7:45:28 PM EDT by TerryC]
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Originally Posted By Saladman:
I should get a handgonne...
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I have handgonnes, they are lots of fun. Not gonna win any long range matches but combat distances (7-15 yards) you can put one into center mass of a man-sized silhouette often enough to make it a fearsome weapon.

Reloading drills are timed with a sundial . . .

Link Posted: 4/16/2016 8:02:50 PM EDT
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I should get a handgonne...
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Originally Posted By Saladman:

I should get a handgonne...

So get one. They're cheap.


Originally Posted By Fulminata:

Original Driveby.

Not many people realize the thug life is of medieval origin.  


Originally Posted By Jagrmaister:

Someone's been spending too much time at the Renaissance Faire...

I've never been to one. I'm into the history of guns, not living a fantasy.

Besides, I don't think gunpowder weapons are allowed at those things.


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Link Posted: 4/17/2016 5:01:46 PM EDT
You kinda forgot the other hussite gun - howitzer.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=taCPl_U9BX4
Link Posted: 4/17/2016 8:59:16 PM EDT
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Originally Posted By Bohem:
You kinda forgot the other hussite gun - howitzer.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=taCPl_U9BX4
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I didn't forget. Read the thread title and OP again. This is about handheld firearms.


This guy does a short demo of firing shots quickly. Not bad considering he's also doing it in the rain.

A line of experienced handgonners could keep up a good rate of fire.

Link Posted: 4/17/2016 9:02:46 PM EDT
Nice, thanks for sharing!
Link Posted: 4/17/2016 10:01:31 PM EDT
[Last Edit: 4/17/2016 10:10:19 PM EDT by TerryC]
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Originally Posted By Smashy:


I didn't forget. Read the thread title and OP again. This is about handheld firearms.


This guy does a short demo of firing shots quickly. Not bad considering he's also doing it in the rain.

A line of experienced handgonners could keep up a good rate of fire.

https://youtu.be/AD6SbAzdvc8
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Originally Posted By Smashy:
Originally Posted By Bohem:
You kinda forgot the other hussite gun - howitzer.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=taCPl_U9BX4


I didn't forget. Read the thread title and OP again. This is about handheld firearms.


This guy does a short demo of firing shots quickly. Not bad considering he's also doing it in the rain.

A line of experienced handgonners could keep up a good rate of fire.

https://youtu.be/AD6SbAzdvc8

I grit my teeth every time he dumped a charge down that hot barrel. I was waiting for him to get a ramrod shot through his hand.

ETA: Too late tonight, but tomorrow I will post pics of my .25 caliber micro-gonne.

It will fire either a patched #4 buckshot pellet (serious punch), or a reduced charge behind an airsoft BB for less destructive target practice.
Link Posted: 4/17/2016 10:06:51 PM EDT
I almost bought an original one (minor remnants of original wood, heavy corrosion to metal), but it ended up going for like $2k.  Too rich for something no one would recognize on the wall.  






They're so cool, though.
Link Posted: 4/17/2016 10:50:21 PM EDT
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Originally Posted By TerryC:

ETA: Too late tonight, but tomorrow I will post pics of my .25 caliber micro-gonne.

It will fire either a patched #4 buckshot pellet (serious punch), or a reduced charge behind an airsoft BB for less destructive target practice.
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Yeah, I'd like to see that.

Link Posted: 4/17/2016 11:06:46 PM EDT
Oh and incidentally Smashy, thanks for posting this thread, last night I had a massive case of insomnia combined with writer's block so it lead me to read all manner of interesting stuff about the Hussite Wars to distract myself.
Link Posted: 4/17/2016 11:10:59 PM EDT
Anytime.  

Link Posted: 4/18/2016 9:09:13 AM EDT
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Originally Posted By Smashy:


Yeah, I'd like to see that.

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Originally Posted By Smashy:
Originally Posted By TerryC:

ETA: Too late tonight, but tomorrow I will post pics of my .25 caliber micro-gonne.

It will fire either a patched #4 buckshot pellet (serious punch), or a reduced charge behind an airsoft BB for less destructive target practice.


Yeah, I'd like to see that.



Here's my smallest, a brass .32


Link Posted: 4/19/2016 7:24:17 PM EDT
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Originally Posted By Smashy:


Yeah, I'd like to see that.

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Originally Posted By Smashy:
Originally Posted By TerryC:

ETA: Too late tonight, but tomorrow I will post pics of my .25 caliber micro-gonne.

It will fire either a patched #4 buckshot pellet (serious punch), or a reduced charge behind an airsoft BB for less destructive target practice.


Yeah, I'd like to see that.


Sorry it took so long to get back to this. Couldn't find my bottle of #4 buckshot pellets and didn't want to cut open a new shell.

Took these a little while ago . . .







I also made the aluminum powder measure .

Here are a couple of old pics showing the socket details. The screw thread pulls the wood into the socket and holds it fast without visible screws. The brass trim is simply an oxygen hose ferrule with the center opened up to the diameter of the socket . . .







Because the whole thing is so small, for acceptable scale the vent is only 1/16" diameter. It uses a very thin stiff fuse called cross-match visco, which is sold on Skylighter.com.

It can also be primed (carefully) with 4F priming powder, but any coarser granulation won't work.

Fired with a short piece of fuse . . .


Link Posted: 4/19/2016 7:30:52 PM EDT
The flag on that wagon would be pretty popular with at least one member here.
Link Posted: 4/19/2016 7:34:40 PM EDT
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Originally Posted By TerryC:

Sorry it took so long to get back to this. Couldn't find my bottle of #4 buckshot pellets and didn't want to cut open a new shell.

Took these a little while ago . . .

http://www.fototime.com/926CA1C8BE5C093/orig.jpg

http://www.fototime.com/5B0522516EA23BF/orig.jpg

http://www.fototime.com/2D8AA8E02A2B980/orig.jpg

I also made the aluminum powder measure .

Here are a couple of old pics showing the socket details. The screw thread pulls the wood into the socket and holds it fast without visible screws. The brass trim is simply an oxygen hose ferrule with the center opened up to the diameter of the socket . . .

http://www.fototime.com/991A3716EAAE5AF/orig.jpg

http://www.fototime.com/34C54D25D503F50/medium800.jpg

http://www.fototime.com/F81C6FFF4345414/medium800.jpg

Because the whole thing is so small, for acceptable scale the vent is only 1/16" diameter. It uses a very thin stiff fuse called cross-match visco, which is sold on Skylighter.com.

It can also be primed (carefully) with 4F priming powder, but any coarser granulation won't work.

Fired with a short piece of fuse . . .

http://www.fototime.com/445B1BC30C40FAD/orig.jpg
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Originally Posted By TerryC:
Originally Posted By Smashy:
Originally Posted By TerryC:

ETA: Too late tonight, but tomorrow I will post pics of my .25 caliber micro-gonne.

It will fire either a patched #4 buckshot pellet (serious punch), or a reduced charge behind an airsoft BB for less destructive target practice.


Yeah, I'd like to see that.


Sorry it took so long to get back to this. Couldn't find my bottle of #4 buckshot pellets and didn't want to cut open a new shell.

Took these a little while ago . . .

http://www.fototime.com/926CA1C8BE5C093/orig.jpg

http://www.fototime.com/5B0522516EA23BF/orig.jpg

http://www.fototime.com/2D8AA8E02A2B980/orig.jpg

I also made the aluminum powder measure .

Here are a couple of old pics showing the socket details. The screw thread pulls the wood into the socket and holds it fast without visible screws. The brass trim is simply an oxygen hose ferrule with the center opened up to the diameter of the socket . . .

http://www.fototime.com/991A3716EAAE5AF/orig.jpg

http://www.fototime.com/34C54D25D503F50/medium800.jpg

http://www.fototime.com/F81C6FFF4345414/medium800.jpg

Because the whole thing is so small, for acceptable scale the vent is only 1/16" diameter. It uses a very thin stiff fuse called cross-match visco, which is sold on Skylighter.com.

It can also be primed (carefully) with 4F priming powder, but any coarser granulation won't work.

Fired with a short piece of fuse . . .

http://www.fototime.com/445B1BC30C40FAD/orig.jpg


That looks cool. I'd have fun with that.  

Link Posted: 4/19/2016 7:35:19 PM EDT
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Originally Posted By ED_P:
The flag on that wagon would be pretty popular with at least one member here.
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Link Posted: 4/19/2016 7:44:55 PM EDT
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Originally Posted By Smashy:
Originally Posted By ED_P:
The flag on that wagon would be pretty popular with at least one member here.





What he did there, I see it . . .



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