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Posted: 3/20/2002 2:01:33 PM EDT
Pardon my rant. I want to share a recent personal experience with all of you, so here goes: Last night, while sitting in my business ethics class, I took the opportunity to fire back at a blatant display of stupidity and ignorance that was put on by my professor, of all people. The subject was government regulation and where the government derives its power to regulate. Naturally, any discussion of government powers should start off with an examination of the US Constitution. He solicited specific examples of enumerated powers & responsibilities granted & assigned to the federal government in the Constitution. I immediately said "to provide for the common defense", and he agreed. Numerous other powers were cited. The discussion then turned to the powers exercised by the contemporary federal government. As a segway, he decided to cite the Second Amendment. He said that: [b]"the 2nd was originally intended to allow citizens to keep a musket over the fire place so that they could shoot at Indians and bears, should the need arise - and it does not mean that we should be able to own semi-auto firearms. I mean hello! I hear it all the time-guns do not kill people, people kill people. That is stupid-if people did not have guns then they would not kill!"[/b] He then said that he had gotten into an arguement and almost a fight last semester with a student, "one of those NRA-types". I said: [b]"You are full of CRAP! That is the dumbest thing that I have ever heard come out of a professors mouth. Saying that guns kill people is equivalent to saying that a rock (or whatever) is to blame for Cain murdering Able! We all know that a rock (or whatever) did not kill Able. We all know that Cain slew Able!"[/b] The class went quiet when I fired back. The rest of the evening was uneventful. I am sure that some did not get it. I am sure that some people think that what he said is right and what I said was wrong. I am sure that some think that I am a crazy, gun-obsessed white guy with a bad attitude. Hopefully, someone who did not know any better when it comes to the Second Amendment arguement now realizes that not everything they hear uttered against the God-given right of private firearm ownership should be taken as 100% fact. Hopefully, my angry outburst helped to dispel the stupidity and ignorance that is so pervasive in my generation. At least it shut my professor up. What do you think? [/rant]
Link Posted: 3/20/2002 2:07:43 PM EDT
good for you. Don't expect that you dispelled much, though...the S&I crowd just thinks anyone who doesn't go along is a loony.
Link Posted: 3/20/2002 2:10:53 PM EDT
I hope you didn't just fail that class!
Link Posted: 3/20/2002 2:19:33 PM EDT
Link Posted: 3/20/2002 2:21:41 PM EDT
I think you did quite well. You may find some like minded college students at [url=http://campusnonsense.blogspot.com/] CampusNonsense[/url]. I too hope you don’t fail the class. It’s a shame that we have to worry about that at what is supposed to be a bastion of free thought, a university. Mike
Link Posted: 3/20/2002 5:30:22 PM EDT
[Last Edit: 3/20/2002 5:31:42 PM EDT by BYU]
Originally Posted By jpitblado: I hope you didn't just fail that class!
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I do not think that it will go that far-after all, I am a crazy, devil-possesed, gun-crazed college student who should not be triffled with. [;)] I just cannot believe that people are so ignorant/stupid as to not have the slightest grasp of what America is really about. I think that Imbroglio put it best when he metioned the term [b][size=6]SUB-AMERICAN[/size=6][/b] in his BATF Maddi-Griffin post. If you ain't gonna stand up for what America stands for, then get the hell out!
Link Posted: 3/20/2002 5:48:56 PM EDT
Something semi-related that I'm just too dumb to understand. I believe most of us here would fight, if absolutely necessary, to keep the First Amendment intact. Now many don't agree with the news/views produced by those ardent defenders of the First Amendment but still we recognize the significance and importance of such a constitutional guarantee. Why is it that so many supporters of the First Amendment do not support the Second Amendment ?? 'WITH NO SECOND AMENDMENT IN PLACE THERE WOULD BE NO FIRST AMENDMENT WITHIN A VERY SHORT TIME'. At least that's what I believe. (I have already admitted that I don't have the capacity to understand.) [?]
Link Posted: 3/20/2002 6:00:29 PM EDT
5ss5: I think that the reason that the First Amendment is so readily defended, while the other nine amendments are nearly forgotten stems from the following reasons: [list=1] [*]The First Amendment is entirely pervasive in modern American culture-press, religion, political persuasion(for the time being), etc...[/*] [*]If the First Amendment was to be violated, rescinded, et al...the media would be in a pinch and well they would not like that at all.[/*] [*]The First Amendment is an equally tangible right-meaning it does not take a 'deep thinker' to understand why it is so important to a free society-even sheeple grasp the concept[/*] [*]It is the First Amendment, so if they cannot remember any of the other nine, they are sure to remember this one[;)][/*][/list=1] I hope that they ban Sub-Americans next.
Link Posted: 3/20/2002 6:31:05 PM EDT
Hello, BYU! I am one of "those college professors." My parents, myself and my older sibling are all 'college professors.' We are NOT all, anti-gun, anti-freedom, communist/socialist losers. I own an AR15 (or two or three) and have proudly discussed my hunting exploits with students in my class. Keep in mind that the tone of your class is tempered by the person who signs the checks at your school. Where I am employed the dean is pro-gun and has a concealed carry license. Although I am dissapointed to hear of your instructors's interpretation of the 2nd amendment, you should not paint us all with the same brush. TheRedGoat
Link Posted: 3/20/2002 6:37:27 PM EDT
Originally Posted By BYU: 5ss5: I think that the reason that the First Amendment is so readily defended, while the other nine amendments are nearly forgotten stems from the following reasons: [list=1] [*]The First Amendment is entirely pervasive in modern American culture-press, religion, political persuasion(for the time being), etc...[/*] [*]If the First Amendment was to be violated, rescinded, et al...the media would be in a pinch and well they would not like that at all.[/*] [*]The First Amendment is an equally tangible right-meaning it does not take a 'deep thinker' to understand why it is so important to a free society-even sheeple grasp the concept[/*] [*]It is the First Amendment, so if they cannot remember any of the other nine, they are sure to remember this one[;)][/*][/list=1] I hope that they ban Sub-Americans next.
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Not to belabor the point but I'm fairly certain your professor would readily defend the First Amendment. Now I'm almost equally sure - from your posts - that he wouldn't defend the Second. My paltry point is without the Second Amendment intact quickly there would be no First either. I wonder if your prof could grasp this concept ? My belief is that the Second Amendment helps to insure the 'survival' of the First.
Link Posted: 3/20/2002 6:41:38 PM EDT
Originally Posted By 5subslr5: Something semi-related that I'm just too dumb to understand. I believe most of us here would fight, if absolutely necessary, to keep the First Amendment intact. Now many don't agree with the news/views produced by those ardent defenders of the First Amendment but still we recognize the significance and importance of such a constitutional guarantee. Why is it that so many supporters of the First Amendment do not support the Second Amendment ?? 'WITH NO SECOND AMENDMENT IN PLACE THERE WOULD BE NO FIRST AMENDMENT WITHIN A VERY SHORT TIME'. At least that's what I believe. (I have already admitted that I don't have the capacity to understand.) [?]
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Well said
Link Posted: 3/20/2002 6:50:48 PM EDT
Originally Posted By TheRedGoat: Hello, BYU! I am one of "those college professors." My parents, myself and my older sibling are all 'college professors.' We are NOT all, anti-gun, anti-freedom, communist/socialist losers. I own an AR15 (or two or three) and have proudly discussed my hunting exploits with students in my class. Keep in mind that the tone of your class is tempered by the person who signs the checks at your school. Where I am employed the dean is pro-gun and has a concealed carry license. Although I am dissapointed to hear of your instructors's interpretation of the 2nd amendment, you should not paint us all with the same brush. TheRedGoat
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TRG: Thanks for taking the time to read my topic and for replying. I appreciate it. I have enjoyed reading about your hog exploits and look forward to getting back to Texas soon. I just want you to know that I have in no way painted all of professional academia with the wide brush that you suggest. This was an isolated incident (at least from my experience in college, largely because I go to a conservative religious university) that I used to highlight a trend in society that I find disturbing. I look forward to becoming a professor someday and to have the privalge of enlightening those little skulls full of mush. In now way do I wish to disparrage the good name of college professors every where (and I did not do so in my post)-just the one that crossed the line with me in this case. I think that the university that I attend is one of the most grounded and patriotic schools in the nation-and as a result I think that this is an isolated incident. Thanks for your time, Tony
Link Posted: 3/20/2002 11:11:52 PM EDT
Damn. I'm normally the one guy in class who agrees with my profs because just about all of them are either conservatives or libertarians. I've had two profs so far who were liberals, one in Comp. and the other in Wes. Civ. When given the oppurtunity I would correct their liberally-induced errors. My history prof was mildly annoyed, but I don't think she is a hardcore uber-liberal (the correction was based on history, not on guns anyway). My English prof went out of his way to give me bad grades. Since he could never find any grammatical errors in any of my writings, he invented a "this is a 'creative writing' class, and you're not being 'creative'" line about my writing, nevermind the fact that I could write better than most of the people in the class.
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