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Posted: 9/17/2004 10:39:15 AM EST
NICE TO SEE THAT *SOMEONE* GETS IT!


english.pravda.ru/main/18/90/361/14240_Firearms.html

Firearm fever in Russia

09/16/2004 19:02

After the recent terrorist act in Beslan, Russians began purchasing legal means of self-defense.

Some even address direct letters to different law-enforcement agencies across country with a plea to authorize sales of hunting rifles and self-defense firearms.

State Duma plans to adopt certain amendments by the end of this month, aimed at restricting the overall turnover of firearms and explosives in the country. The amendment however will apply only to Russian special services. At the same time, many delegates express their affirmative views to make the firearms market more liberal. According to them, if the state is unable to protect its citizens, let them have the right protect themselves, writes "Izvestia".

"It appears that the Russian peoples have nothing else to do but to act as mere sacrificial lambs. Rebels do not take militia hostage; they prefer to torture defenseless people. And the government is incapable of protecting us," states Yuri Dotsenko in his letter from Sochi. "I am not saying that each of us needs a personal bodyguard. There is another issue at stake here. There is simply the lack of a governmental system aimed at protecting its people. In my opinion, there is only one way out of this mess: the state has to make guns legal. Let people protect themselves and their kids. Those rebels would not have seized the school had they known that every parent had had a gun."

Russian society is on the verge of the real firearms fever. People are racing to hospitals, psychiatric facilities in order to obtain needed certificates which will enable them to purchase firearms. They all are one thing only: to acquire a legal permission to store firearms at home in order to protect their families.

Those, whose past is rather shady (and there is a growing number of such people in our corrupted government) prefer to buy guns on the black market for about $1000 a piece.

Some experts claim that such "fever" has to do with the new hunting season and pose no danger. Others however are inclined to believe that such great demand for the means of self-defense will lead to tragic consequences. State Duma intends to return to discussing the issue of legalizing some types of firearms pertaining only to the special services.

Last year (17 September 2003) State Duma had already discussed such legislative initiative prompting to mitigate the law. Back then, majority had voted "No" in regards to the issue, informs "Izvestia".

In the meantime, Kalashnikov look-alikes are in great demand these days. Barrel-free pistols gain popularity among people in Moscow as well. It is exceptionally difficult to obtain a permission for one of these guns. In critical situations however these types of guns appear to be way more effective than any other guns, reports the newspaper.

"Gas weapons are long past due," explains one of the managers of the "Oruzheiny Dvor" store Kirill Konyaev. Times change.today Muscovites are thinking about the real protection. Gas weapons can no longer ensure their safety. Majority of guns are quite bulky.Such barrel-free guns represent the best alternative.

One can acquire special permit at a licensing department of Moscow"s department of internal affairs. Their offices are located in every district of the city. A person just needs to prove that he/she is in good mental health, demonstrate his ability to load/unload a gun and the person will be free to head to the local gun store in a few weeks. According to some knowledgeable residents, it is possible to finish the entire procedure in a day or tow if one has extra $150-200 USD to spare.
Link Posted: 9/17/2004 10:45:30 AM EST
What is a barrel-free pistol and a gas weapon?
Link Posted: 9/17/2004 10:45:53 AM EST
This is not quite as easy as it sounds. I was just there, and know a lot of people who want to own firearms, but even though the process seems easy, it is not. Paperwork gets held up, bribes need to get paid, and so on and so on. Even their own veterans cannot get firearms. I understand the fear. My last day in moscow someone blew up a metro station where a friend of mine gets on the metro every day, and another friend was supposed to be on one of the two planes that blew up a few weeks ago. Thankfully, he missed the plane by 10 minutes. Most of the firearms owned by law abiding citizens in Moscow, at least, were purchased on the black market, since they could not get a legal certificate. In a country where making $300 is pretty damn good, even if they could get past the beurocratic BS, the cost makes it practically impossible...
Link Posted: 9/17/2004 10:54:37 AM EST
Gas weapon is an air gun, in fairly common use for self protection n Russia. It's better than nothing.

I'm betting barrel free is a poor translation for a handgun with a very short (effectively no) barrel; maybe someone will try to find the original and retranslate.
Link Posted: 9/17/2004 10:55:46 AM EST

Originally Posted By Rip_Roarin_Wacko:
What is a barrel-free pistol and a gas weapon?



I'm assuming gas weapon is like pepper spray/mace etc.

Have no idea what a barrel-free pistol could be???
Link Posted: 9/17/2004 10:56:58 AM EST

Originally Posted By AeroE:
Gas weapon is an air gun, in fairly common use for self protection n Russia. It's better than nothing.

I'm betting barrel free is a poor translation for a handgun with a very short (effectively no) barrel; maybe someone will try to find the original and retranslate.




that's what I get for ASSuMEing.
Link Posted: 9/17/2004 10:57:14 AM EST

Originally Posted By Rip_Roarin_Wacko:
What is a barrel-free pistol and a gas weapon?




+1

­Stalin must be spinning in his tomb.
Link Posted: 9/17/2004 11:04:47 AM EST
Beautiful news. Contrast that with Kerry's statement that "I will fight terrorism with gun control." Our Democrats are now closer to true Communists than the former USSR.
Link Posted: 9/17/2004 11:08:53 AM EST
When an obvious threat arises to a populace, the populace will arise.

Russians have been fooled by politicians and liars, but their view and lack of patience with out and out murders is refreshing and very American.

The old American way......
Link Posted: 9/17/2004 11:12:43 AM EST

Originally Posted By tjmz:
Most of the firearms owned by law abiding citizens in Moscow, at least, were purchased on the black market, since they could not get a legal certificate.




Doesn't that make them non-law abiding??
Link Posted: 9/17/2004 11:14:55 AM EST
In the meantime, Kalashnikov look-alikes are in great demand these days. Barrel-free pistols gain popularity among people in Moscow as well. It is exceptionally difficult to obtain a permission for one of these guns. In critical situations however these types of guns appear to be way more effective than any other guns, reports the newspaper.


C'mon people, what is a "barrel free" pistol? I need to get one before they are banned!
Link Posted: 9/17/2004 11:20:20 AM EST
Link Posted: 9/17/2004 11:32:51 AM EST

Originally Posted By Rip_Roarin_Wacko:

Originally Posted By tjmz:
Most of the firearms owned by law abiding citizens in Moscow, at least, were purchased on the black market, since they could not get a legal certificate.




Doesn't that make them non-law abiding??



Unfortunately, yes. But the situation has gotten to the point where they no longer care as they are getting pretty freaked out, with good reason. They know that their politicians do not care about them, and their militzia, which is what LEOs are called there, are more dangerous than the criminals.
Link Posted: 9/17/2004 11:41:03 AM EST

Originally Posted By Airwolf:
At the same time, many delegates express their affirmative views to make the firearms market more liberal. According to them, if the state is unable to protect its citizens, let them have the right protect themselves, writes "Izvestia".




WOW!

Go Russia!
Link Posted: 9/17/2004 1:58:04 PM EST
That is a cool site.

Translated (I'm learning Russian):

Legendary American Rifle

AR15 in Russia

Arsenal
"something" Salon

Arsenal St. Petersburg

Nova Vladivostok
Link Posted: 9/17/2004 2:08:33 PM EST
What caliber is that AR?

CRC
Link Posted: 9/17/2004 2:49:14 PM EST

Originally Posted By 2_of_5:
That is a cool site.

Translated (I'm learning Russian):

Legendary American Rifle

AR15 in Russia

Arsenal
"something" Salon

Arsenal St. Petersburg

Nova Vladivostok


The "something" tranlates loosely as gun or firearm. I don't have Cyrillic script enabled on this computer or I would written that pa-russki. Funny thing. My wife,who is Russian, installed a pirated copy of Windows 98 on our old computer. Imagine my surprise when I booted it up. Ever try to operate a computer in Russian.
About firearms in Russia. My wife used to work as a photographer in the wedding Palace in Vyborg. I was with her one day when she was photographing a wedding. There was this guy there who was using a video cam. to record the wedding. He was wearing a jacket. However when he would raise his arms you could see a holstered Makarov under his jacket. I asked my wife how and why he was wearing the pistol. He was a truck driver and since hijacking was commonplace he always carried insurance. The reason he could own and carry a pistol was in was an ex-Colonel. Possibly KGB. Had a lot of interesting experiences in the Rodina(motherland).
Link Posted: 9/17/2004 2:52:10 PM EST
The silent gas gun is the most deadly I hear
Link Posted: 9/17/2004 3:29:20 PM EST
Hey all I have to say is;" it works for Swiss" Do I need to say more?
Link Posted: 9/17/2004 3:30:20 PM EST

Originally Posted By 2_of_5:
That is a cool site.

Translated (I'm learning Russian):

Legendary American Rifle

AR15 in Russia

Arsenal
"something" Salon

Arsenal St. Petersburg

Nova Vladivostok



... Yeah I’m learning Russian too.
It say’s:

Moscow something, something
Colt AR15 arsenal, something, something.
Telephone (812) 298 47 73 316 28 87 something, something




Link Posted: 9/17/2004 3:34:10 PM EST

Those, whose past is rather shady (and there is a growing number of such people in our corrupted government) prefer to buy guns on the black market for about $1000 a piece.


Sure, a thousand dollars a piece...
I'm willing to bet my life they can get them much cheaper...
Link Posted: 9/17/2004 4:51:01 PM EST
Very interesting in general.

The UN wants to disarm the entire world populace - "the people" keep seeing and experiencing the opposite: the need to protect themselves.


CMOS
Link Posted: 9/17/2004 4:58:24 PM EST

Originally Posted By motown_steve:

Originally Posted By Airwolf:
At the same time, many delegates express their affirmative views to make the firearms market more liberal. According to them, if the state is unable to protect its citizens, let them have the right protect themselves, writes "Izvestia".




WOW!

Go Russia!




Link Posted: 9/17/2004 5:31:12 PM EST
Ok, "Arsenal" is in St. Petersburg on Moscow Prospect. "New" is in Vladivostok on Kirov St. Street is ulitsa in Russian. Curious thing, once you learn Cyrillic letters, sometimes you can figure out what the word is. Many Russian words are the same as the English ones. Only with a Russian accent. And you already know Russian words. Kiosk is the same in English as in Russian. Bistro is the Russian word for fast or quickly. When Alexander I occupied Paris after defeating Napoleon(the French always seem to be surrendering), when the Russian soldiers went to an eatery, they kept telling the waiter,"bistro,bistro". They were hungry and wanted their food bistro...right away. The eateries soon came to be called bistros. End of history lesson.
paka. (later)
Link Posted: 9/17/2004 5:39:48 PM EST
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