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Posted: 12/9/2010 7:33:31 PM EDT
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For fucks sake. I used to leave my competition gun in the back of my truck as I'd go straight from baseball practice to shooting practice. 12g shotgun x 2 5 gallon bucket of shells Massacres that resulted from the above = 0 |
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i will be surprised if she gets expelled since it's MT and not NY or CA
eta: dogs can stiff out a firearm??? |
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Our Country desparetly needs to get back to common sense type thinking.
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Quoted: Our Country desparetly needs to get back to common sense type thinking. Even ARFcom can't do it, why would the whole of society? |
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same stupid shit happened here in CO earlier this year (~) but it was a girl on the drill team with one of those stupid cheap inert training "rifles"
this full on stupid / blatant attack on America needs to come to a screeching halt ASAP! |
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Not illegal in TN.
By law it is explicitly legal in hunting season. Trouble is, they wouldn't do a single proper thing to the 18yo ne'er do well who brought his rifle to school the very day after he told his English teacher that he was going to bring it to school and shoot her for the mid-term F she gave him. Priorities, priorities, priorities. Theatre and feelings, theatre and feelings -rightfulness and decency be damned. |
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The people who are punishing her should be fired and barred from public service.
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Quoted: i will be surprised if she gets expelled since it's MT and not NY or CA eta: dogs can stiff out a firearm??? The way I heard it on Foxnews today, she remembered it was there when she heard the announcement that drug dogs would be sniffing cars and told the school personnel it was there. If she'd kept quiet, she would probably have been alright. She tried to do the right thing and got burned for it. |
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i will be surprised if she gets expelled since it's MT and not NY or CA eta: dogs can stiff out a firearm??? The way I heard it on Foxnews today, she remembered it was there when she heard the announcement that drug dogs would be sniffing cars and told the school personnel it was there. If she'd kept quiet, she would probably have been alright. She tried to do the right thing and got burned for it. Maybe, but they run an ordanance dog at my HS. A young lady is also facing the same shit from two weeks ago in WY. She is a big hunter and it was in the middle of deer season, and pheasant season. The dog hit on the shells, not the gun. Luckily they didn't run it on the teachers cars, who later were freaking the fuck out.... |
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i will be surprised if she gets expelled since it's MT and not NY or CA eta: dogs can stiff out a firearm??? The way I heard it on Foxnews today, she remembered it was there when she heard the announcement that drug dogs would be sniffing cars and told the school personnel it was there. If she'd kept quiet, she would probably have been alright. She tried to do the right thing and got burned for it. She did the dumb thing. Not the right thing. Mere expulsion from highschool is a cheap price to pay for such an important lesson, tho. |
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There was a day when kids in Montana used to HAVE to carry their guns with them to school. Just in case they bumped into supper on the way home.
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Quoted: Quoted: Quoted: i will be surprised if she gets expelled since it's MT and not NY or CA eta: dogs can stiff out a firearm??? The way I heard it on Foxnews today, she remembered it was there when she heard the announcement that drug dogs would be sniffing cars and told the school personnel it was there. If she'd kept quiet, she would probably have been alright. She tried to do the right thing and got burned for it. She did the dumb thing. Not the right thing. Mere expulsion from highschool is a cheap price to pay for such an important lesson, tho. Please expand that statement. |
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From the sounds of it, the school board is following the Federal playbook, lest it lose Federal funding. However, it also sounds highly likely that the school board is going to pretty much give her a pass on this transgression, as well it should. Unfortunately, there are some rules that MUST be followed in a bureaucracy if you don't want to get yourself into a LOT of trouble. Just like we have to pay the silly $200 tax to have an SBR, SBS, or MG, even though most of us think it's a stupid requirement, the school board must suspend the young lady until the hearing is held. It doesn't mean the school board is full of incompetent idiots or cowards, it simply means they are following the rules imposed by the government.
Of course, there are some members here who would crucify the school board for following the rules, but in the next breath would decry Customs and Border Patrol if they don't follow the rules as they are written and deport every illegal alien which they catch. In short, you can't expect one part of government to follow the rules and then grant another the right to ignore the rules. |
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the article seems to state that the school board feels the issue has been blown out of proportion by outside sources, and from their comments, they seem to have some ability to work with the girl to reach a reasonable compromise.
I'll withhold judgment until the school board makes a ruling. |
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i will be surprised if she gets expelled since it's MT and not NY or CA eta: dogs can stiff out a firearm??? The way I heard it on Foxnews today, she remembered it was there when she heard the announcement that drug dogs would be sniffing cars and told the school personnel it was there. If she'd kept quiet, she would probably have been alright. She tried to do the right thing and got burned for it. She did the dumb thing. Not the right thing. Mere expulsion from highschool is a cheap price to pay for such an important lesson, tho. Please expand that statement. She did a dumb thing. What needs explanation? It was dumb to admit to breaking the law when keeping silent likely would have resulted in absolutely nothing. Instead, she assumed that her friendly local government bureaucrats would let her slide if she "came clean" or "did the right thing." The lesson here is that the government is not here to help you. Sticking your neck out for them and "coming clean" is a good way to get screwed. And from a personal moral standpoint, there's nothing wrong with having an unloaded firearm locked in your trunk. By the same token, incriminating yourself because you broke a stupid law written by high functioning morons is not any more "moral" than remaining silent. Granted, morals are a personal thing. I can't prove that morality by anything but my own personal measuring guide. But I was raised with a moral code that deals with being honest with other individuals in order to do them no harm. I wouldn't even have to think twice in this situation. |
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From the sounds of it, the school board is following the Federal playbook, lest it lose Federal funding. However, it also sounds highly likely that the school board is going to pretty much give her a pass on this transgression, as well it should. Unfortunately, there are some rules that MUST be followed in a bureaucracy if you don't want to get yourself into a LOT of trouble. Just like we have to pay the silly $200 tax to have an SBR, SBS, or MG, even though most of us think it's a stupid requirement, the school board must suspend the young lady until the hearing is held. It doesn't mean the school board is full of incompetent idiots or cowards, it simply means they are following the rules imposed by the government. Of course, there are some members here who would crucify the school board for following the rules, but in the next breath would decry Customs and Border Patrol if they don't follow the rules as they are written and deport every illegal alien which they catch. In short, you can't expect one part of government to follow the rules and then grant another the right to ignore the rules. The sad thing is that the State whored itself out for Fed cheese in the first place. And yes, Texas does the exact same thing, nor am I happy about it. |
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I kept a Colt CAR-15 in the trunk of my new 84 fiero all through high School
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From the sounds of it, the school board is following the Federal playbook, lest it lose Federal funding. However, it also sounds highly likely that the school board is going to pretty much give her a pass on this transgression, as well it should. Unfortunately, there are some rules that MUST be followed in a bureaucracy if you don't want to get yourself into a LOT of trouble. Just like we have to pay the silly $200 tax to have an SBR, SBS, or MG, even though most of us think it's a stupid requirement, the school board must suspend the young lady until the hearing is held. It doesn't mean the school board is full of incompetent idiots or cowards, it simply means they are following the rules imposed by the government. Of course, there are some members here who would crucify the school board for following the rules, but in the next breath would decry Customs and Border Patrol if they don't follow the rules as they are written and deport every illegal alien which they catch. In short, you can't expect one part of government to follow the rules and then grant another the right to ignore the rules. The sad thing is that the State whored itself out for Fed cheese in the first place. And yes, Texas does the exact same thing, nor am I happy about it. If your local school board hadn't "whored itself out for Fed cheese," what kind of education do you think the children in your area would recieve without having to raise the local taxes to an unbearable point? The Federal government's contribution to your local school boards budget is pretty significant, I'd imagine. |
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From the sounds of it, the school board is following the Federal playbook, lest it lose Federal funding. However, it also sounds highly likely that the school board is going to pretty much give her a pass on this transgression, as well it should. Unfortunately, there are some rules that MUST be followed in a bureaucracy if you don't want to get yourself into a LOT of trouble. Just like we have to pay the silly $200 tax to have an SBR, SBS, or MG, even though most of us think it's a stupid requirement, the school board must suspend the young lady until the hearing is held. It doesn't mean the school board is full of incompetent idiots or cowards, it simply means they are following the rules imposed by the government. Of course, there are some members here who would crucify the school board for following the rules, but in the next breath would decry Customs and Border Patrol if they don't follow the rules as they are written and deport every illegal alien which they catch. In short, you can't expect one part of government to follow the rules and then grant another the right to ignore the rules. The sad thing is that the State whored itself out for Fed cheese in the first place. And yes, Texas does the exact same thing, nor am I happy about it. If your local school board hadn't "whored itself out for Fed cheese," what kind of education do you think the children in your area would recieve without having to raise the local taxes to an unbearable point? The Federal government's contribution to your local school boards budget is pretty significant, I'd imagine. And yet, private schools all across the country provide a quality education without Federal subsidy of any kind. Weird. |
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I kept a Colt CAR-15 in the trunk of my new 84 fiero all through high School Things change I guess How long was your mullet? Its not a Firebird or Camaro or Transam but nice try. |
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From the sounds of it, the school board is following the Federal playbook, lest it lose Federal funding. However, it also sounds highly likely that the school board is going to pretty much give her a pass on this transgression, as well it should. Unfortunately, there are some rules that MUST be followed in a bureaucracy if you don't want to get yourself into a LOT of trouble. Just like we have to pay the silly $200 tax to have an SBR, SBS, or MG, even though most of us think it's a stupid requirement, the school board must suspend the young lady until the hearing is held. It doesn't mean the school board is full of incompetent idiots or cowards, it simply means they are following the rules imposed by the government. Of course, there are some members here who would crucify the school board for following the rules, but in the next breath would decry Customs and Border Patrol if they don't follow the rules as they are written and deport every illegal alien which they catch. In short, you can't expect one part of government to follow the rules and then grant another the right to ignore the rules. The sad thing is that the State whored itself out for Fed cheese in the first place. And yes, Texas does the exact same thing, nor am I happy about it. If your local school board hadn't "whored itself out for Fed cheese," what kind of education do you think the children in your area would recieve without having to raise the local taxes to an unbearable point? The Federal government's contribution to your local school boards budget is pretty significant, I'd imagine. And yet, private schools all across the country provide a quality education without Federal subsidy of any kind. Weird. And according to the Council for American Private Education, the average tuition for a private school in America for 2007-2008 was $8,549 for all levels, $6,733 for elementary, $10,549 for secondary, and $10,045 for K-12 schools. Now, figure out how many students are enrolled in your local school district and multiply that number by $8,549. Now, guesstimate what your share would be for that tax bill. Parents who send their kids to private schools fund those educations out of pocket. Parents who send their kids to public school fund those educations out of your pockets, mostly because they can't afford to pay $8,549 each year, for each of their kids. Were it not for Federal funds supporting your school board, each student enrolled in those schools would theoretically increase the need for tax revenue of your local area a great amount. An amount that many, if not most of their parents wouldn't be able to afford. That means the average taxpayer in your county would foot an even greater share of the burden, even if they don't have kids of their own, or if they elected to send their own kids to a private school. (By the way, I agree with you, in principle. The school board shouldn't be beholden to the Federal government. That only brings things like Zero-Tolerance and the other American education travesty, No Child Left Behind. Unfortunately, education costs are simply too high for local tax bases and that means they have to use Federal funding. And, when you stick out one of your hands to a loanshark, he twists the other one behind your back.) |
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An 18 year old is statistically FAR FAR more likely to hurt or kill someone simply driving a car to school rather than having a gun locked in the trunk at school. But then again facts or logic are never relevant to gov't mandates or policies. |
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From the sounds of it, the school board is following the Federal playbook, lest it lose Federal funding. However, it also sounds highly likely that the school board is going to pretty much give her a pass on this transgression, as well it should. Unfortunately, there are some rules that MUST be followed in a bureaucracy if you don't want to get yourself into a LOT of trouble. Just like we have to pay the silly $200 tax to have an SBR, SBS, or MG, even though most of us think it's a stupid requirement, the school board must suspend the young lady until the hearing is held. It doesn't mean the school board is full of incompetent idiots or cowards, it simply means they are following the rules imposed by the government. Of course, there are some members here who would crucify the school board for following the rules, but in the next breath would decry Customs and Border Patrol if they don't follow the rules as they are written and deport every illegal alien which they catch. In short, you can't expect one part of government to follow the rules and then grant another the right to ignore the rules. The sad thing is that the State whored itself out for Fed cheese in the first place. And yes, Texas does the exact same thing, nor am I happy about it. If your local school board hadn't "whored itself out for Fed cheese," what kind of education do you think the children in your area would recieve without having to raise the local taxes to an unbearable point? The Federal government's contribution to your local school boards budget is pretty significant, I'd imagine. And yet, private schools all across the country provide a quality education without Federal subsidy of any kind. Weird. And according to the Council for American Private Education, the average tuition for a private school in America for 2007-2008 was $8,549 for all levels, $6,733 for elementary, $10,549 for secondary, and $10,045 for K-12 schools. Now, figure out how many students are enrolled in your local school district and multiply that number by $8,549. Now, guesstimate what your share would be for that tax bill. Parents who send their kids to private schools fund those educations out of pocket. Parents who send their kids to public school fund those educations out of your pockets, mostly because they can't afford to pay $8,549 each year, for each of their kids. Were it not for Federal funds supporting your school board, each student enrolled in those schools would theoretically increase the need for tax revenue of your local area a great amount. An amount that many, if not most of their parents wouldn't be able to afford. That means the average taxpayer in your county would foot an even greater share of the burden, even if they don't have kids of their own, or if they elected to send their own kids to a private school. (By the way, I agree with you, in principle. The school board shouldn't be beholden to the Federal government. That only brings things like Zero-Tolerance and the other American education travesty, No Child Left Behind. Unfortunately, education costs are simply too high for local tax bases and that means they have to use Federal funding. And, when you stick out one of your hands to a loanshark, he twists the other one behind your back.) Zero, if I had my way. I'm not responsible for my neighbor's kids' education. Nor do I care if they grow up to be ditch diggers. |
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Some places are not like the others........................ 16 and a Senior, shes doing good Zero tolerance < Common Sense |
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An 18 year old is statistically FAR FAR more likely to hurt or kill someone simply driving a truck to school rather than having a gun locked in the trunk at school. But then again facts or logic are never relevant to gov't mandates or policies. If I catch you making sense here one more time!... |
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Some places are not like the others........................ 16 and a Senior, shes doing good Zero tolerance < Common Sense What's to stop her from going to college next year anyways? Success in spite is the best "fuck you" I can think of. |
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From the sounds of it, the school board is following the Federal playbook, lest it lose Federal funding. However, it also sounds highly likely that the school board is going to pretty much give her a pass on this transgression, as well it should. Unfortunately, there are some rules that MUST be followed in a bureaucracy if you don't want to get yourself into a LOT of trouble. Just like we have to pay the silly $200 tax to have an SBR, SBS, or MG, even though most of us think it's a stupid requirement, the school board must suspend the young lady until the hearing is held. It doesn't mean the school board is full of incompetent idiots or cowards, it simply means they are following the rules imposed by the government. Of course, there are some members here who would crucify the school board for following the rules, but in the next breath would decry Customs and Border Patrol if they don't follow the rules as they are written and deport every illegal alien which they catch. In short, you can't expect one part of government to follow the rules and then grant another the right to ignore the rules. The sad thing is that the State whored itself out for Fed cheese in the first place. And yes, Texas does the exact same thing, nor am I happy about it. If your local school board hadn't "whored itself out for Fed cheese," what kind of education do you think the children in your area would recieve without having to raise the local taxes to an unbearable point? The Federal government's contribution to your local school boards budget is pretty significant, I'd imagine. And yet, private schools all across the country provide a quality education without Federal subsidy of any kind. Weird. And according to the Council for American Private Education, the average tuition for a private school in America for 2007-2008 was $8,549 for all levels, $6,733 for elementary, $10,549 for secondary, and $10,045 for K-12 schools. Now, figure out how many students are enrolled in your local school district and multiply that number by $8,549. Now, guesstimate what your share would be for that tax bill. Parents who send their kids to private schools fund those educations out of pocket. Parents who send their kids to public school fund those educations out of your pockets, mostly because they can't afford to pay $8,549 each year, for each of their kids. Were it not for Federal funds supporting your school board, each student enrolled in those schools would theoretically increase the need for tax revenue of your local area a great amount. An amount that many, if not most of their parents wouldn't be able to afford. That means the average taxpayer in your county would foot an even greater share of the burden, even if they don't have kids of their own, or if they elected to send their own kids to a private school. (By the way, I agree with you, in principle. The school board shouldn't be beholden to the Federal government. That only brings things like Zero-Tolerance and the other American education travesty, No Child Left Behind. Unfortunately, education costs are simply too high for local tax bases and that means they have to use Federal funding. And, when you stick out one of your hands to a loanshark, he twists the other one behind your back.) Zero, if I had my way. I'm not responsible for my neighbor's kids' education. Nor do I care if they grow up to be ditch diggers. Thomas Jefferson would passionately disagree with you. In fact, after the Declaration of Independence was passed, one of the FIRST things he did was write a State constitution, which, amongst many other things, provided for a free, secular, primary education system for all free males. You see, ole TJ was as big a proponent of educating his neighbor's kids as he was of ensuring them the right to keep and bear arms, for only through proper education can our Republic hope to survive and thrive. |
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From the sounds of it, the school board is following the Federal playbook, lest it lose Federal funding. However, it also sounds highly likely that the school board is going to pretty much give her a pass on this transgression, as well it should. Unfortunately, there are some rules that MUST be followed in a bureaucracy if you don't want to get yourself into a LOT of trouble. Just like we have to pay the silly $200 tax to have an SBR, SBS, or MG, even though most of us think it's a stupid requirement, the school board must suspend the young lady until the hearing is held. It doesn't mean the school board is full of incompetent idiots or cowards, it simply means they are following the rules imposed by the government. Of course, there are some members here who would crucify the school board for following the rules, but in the next breath would decry Customs and Border Patrol if they don't follow the rules as they are written and deport every illegal alien which they catch. In short, you can't expect one part of government to follow the rules and then grant another the right to ignore the rules. The sad thing is that the State whored itself out for Fed cheese in the first place. And yes, Texas does the exact same thing, nor am I happy about it. If your local school board hadn't "whored itself out for Fed cheese," what kind of education do you think the children in your area would recieve without having to raise the local taxes to an unbearable point? The Federal government's contribution to your local school boards budget is pretty significant, I'd imagine. And yet, private schools all across the country provide a quality education without Federal subsidy of any kind. Weird. And according to the Council for American Private Education, the average tuition for a private school in America for 2007-2008 was $8,549 for all levels, $6,733 for elementary, $10,549 for secondary, and $10,045 for K-12 schools. Now, figure out how many students are enrolled in your local school district and multiply that number by $8,549. Now, guesstimate what your share would be for that tax bill. Parents who send their kids to private schools fund those educations out of pocket. Parents who send their kids to public school fund those educations out of your pockets, mostly because they can't afford to pay $8,549 each year, for each of their kids. Were it not for Federal funds supporting your school board, each student enrolled in those schools would theoretically increase the need for tax revenue of your local area a great amount. An amount that many, if not most of their parents wouldn't be able to afford. That means the average taxpayer in your county would foot an even greater share of the burden, even if they don't have kids of their own, or if they elected to send their own kids to a private school. (By the way, I agree with you, in principle. The school board shouldn't be beholden to the Federal government. That only brings things like Zero-Tolerance and the other American education travesty, No Child Left Behind. Unfortunately, education costs are simply too high for local tax bases and that means they have to use Federal funding. And, when you stick out one of your hands to a loanshark, he twists the other one behind your back.) Zero, if I had my way. I'm not responsible for my neighbor's kids' education. Nor do I care if they grow up to be ditch diggers. Thomas Jefferson would passionately disagree with you. In fact, after the Declaration of Independence was passed, one of the FIRST things he did was write a State constitution, which, amongst many other things, provided for a free, secular, primary education system for all free males. You see, ole TJ was as big a proponent of educating his neighbor's kids as he was of ensuring them the right to keep and bear arms, for only through proper education can our Republic hope to survive and thrive. There is no such thing as free education. |
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Of course not. But, "free" was used in the context that the person recieving the education wouldn't recieve a bill. Instead, the State would pay for the education, through tax revenue.
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while I disagree with what the school did, she knew better.
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I kept a Colt CAR-15 in the trunk of my new 84 fiero all through high School Things change I guess Yeah, a SWAT team would respond these days. My HS teachers used to talk about how kids would bring their rifles in...the teacher would keep a shotgun and some shells for hunting birds in the back field. |
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while I disagree with what the school did, she knew better. Good lesson in responsibility. RESPONSIBITY? That kid will NEVER recover from this if expelled. We turn people into fuckups through overregulation and stupid nanny statist policies. |
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