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Posted: 4/20/2016 11:53:02 AM EDT
[Last Edit: 4/20/2016 11:53:38 AM EDT by guntrk]
This imbecile is why Federal Employee have such a bad rap...

https://pjmedia.com/jchristianadams/2016/04/19/philadelphia-story-federal-park-ranger-mocks-constitution-at-its-birthplace/

"Mary A. Hogan, a federal employee making in excess of $95,000 per year in salary and benefits, provided a tour Monday afternoon at Independence Hall laced with factual inaccuracies and disparaging comments about the Founders and the Constitution."

"stunned a group of tourists this week by telling them the Constitution and the Declaration of Independence were the product of "class elites who were just out to protect their privileged status."


Link Posted: 4/20/2016 11:59:35 AM EDT
[Last Edit: 4/20/2016 12:01:10 PM EDT by Tuco22]
Umm, signing a document that pretty much ensures your execution in the very real event of a loss to the greatest power in the world is a piss poor way of protecting your status.
Link Posted: 4/20/2016 12:07:28 PM EDT
Originally Posted By guntrk:
This imbecile is why Federal Employee have such a bad rap...

https://pjmedia.com/jchristianadams/2016/04/19/philadelphia-story-federal-park-ranger-mocks-constitution-at-its-birthplace/


"Mary A. Hogan, a federal employee making in excess of $95,000 per year in salary and benefits, provided a tour Monday afternoon at Independence Hall laced with factual inaccuracies and disparaging comments about the Founders and the Constitution."


"stunned a group of tourists this week by telling them the Constitution and the Declaration of Independence were the product of "class elites who were just out to protect their privileged status."




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A Park Ranger makes north of $95K per year? WTF.




Link Posted: 4/20/2016 12:08:03 PM EDT
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At the core of every puke's political opinion is shame of self and/or country.

Stop calling them "liberals". They're anything but liberal.
Link Posted: 4/20/2016 12:09:46 PM EDT
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Originally Posted By Ranxerox911:

A Park Ranger makes north of $95K per year? WTF.






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Originally Posted By Ranxerox911:
Originally Posted By guntrk:
This imbecile is why Federal Employee have such a bad rap...

https://pjmedia.com/jchristianadams/2016/04/19/philadelphia-story-federal-park-ranger-mocks-constitution-at-its-birthplace/


"Mary A. Hogan, a federal employee making in excess of $95,000 per year in salary and benefits, provided a tour Monday afternoon at Independence Hall laced with factual inaccuracies and disparaging comments about the Founders and the Constitution."


"stunned a group of tourists this week by telling them the Constitution and the Declaration of Independence were the product of "class elites who were just out to protect their privileged status."





A Park Ranger makes north of $95K per year? WTF.








The sad thing is that isn't even the most ridiculous government salary I've seen.
Link Posted: 4/20/2016 12:10:51 PM EDT
This is how it gets going. Fucks like this make things up and win suits to keep repeating their lies.
Link Posted: 4/20/2016 12:11:01 PM EDT
I don't think that tour would have lasted very long if I was on it. fuck that tour guide. hopefully they will fire their ass .
Link Posted: 4/20/2016 12:11:05 PM EDT
That piece of shit needs to be shown the door. But since they are a federal employee she'll probably get promoted.
Link Posted: 4/20/2016 12:12:22 PM EDT
Hogan is listed as a GS-12 employee on the federal pay scale and earns at least $95,000 in salary and benefits.

Link Posted: 4/20/2016 12:14:54 PM EDT
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Originally Posted By scubadown:
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Not exactly making bank.

She's just another opinionated asshole.
Link Posted: 4/20/2016 12:15:07 PM EDT
Comrade Bernie will give her a promotion
Link Posted: 4/20/2016 12:42:33 PM EDT
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Originally Posted By KennyW1983:
That piece of shit needs to be shown the door. But since they are a federal employee she'll probably get promoted.
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It is very difficult for her to get fired, I would imagine.

If she is going to be giving tours of our nation's history, she should have a mandated script to follow and only deviate when there are interesting factoids and information that is true. If I had been on that tour that she gave, I would have been so pissed and called her out on her BS. This kind of stuff is why people are turning to liberal/socialist ways. They don't understand what was sacrificed, what was risked and what it took to wrest our freedoms that we enjoy today from the English Crown.
Link Posted: 4/20/2016 12:44:30 PM EDT
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Originally Posted By Ranxerox911:

A Park Ranger makes north of $95K per year? WTF.






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Originally Posted By Ranxerox911:
Originally Posted By guntrk:
This imbecile is why Federal Employee have such a bad rap...

https://pjmedia.com/jchristianadams/2016/04/19/philadelphia-story-federal-park-ranger-mocks-constitution-at-its-birthplace/


"Mary A. Hogan, a federal employee making in excess of $95,000 per year in salary and benefits, provided a tour Monday afternoon at Independence Hall laced with factual inaccuracies and disparaging comments about the Founders and the Constitution."


"stunned a group of tourists this week by telling them the Constitution and the Declaration of Independence were the product of "class elites who were just out to protect their privileged status."


A Park Ranger makes north of $95K per year? WTF.






Shit......, I know where my next application is going.
Link Posted: 4/20/2016 12:44:50 PM EDT
Fuck that pussy and fuck the government for paying him so much money. I live an hour from Philly and don't get paid nearly that much as a mechanical engineer.
Link Posted: 4/20/2016 12:46:39 PM EDT
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Originally Posted By scubadown:
Hogan is listed as a GS-12 employee on the federal pay scale and earns at least $95,000 in salary and benefits.
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Is her pay alone $95k or is that figure adding in the cost of health, etc. benefits?

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Link Posted: 4/20/2016 12:46:59 PM EDT
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Can't blame her really............That's what she was taught in school.
Link Posted: 4/20/2016 12:49:05 PM EDT
What do you expect?

We were in Philadelphia a few weeks ago, and there's basically a fucking shrine to Obama just outside the entrance to the building that houses the Liberty Bell.

Somehow, they've made that whole area about "slavery".
Link Posted: 4/20/2016 12:50:20 PM EDT
I would have challenged her had I been on that tour. What a douche bag.
Link Posted: 4/20/2016 12:53:10 PM EDT
So probably 60k pay. Got it.
Link Posted: 4/20/2016 12:53:35 PM EDT
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Originally Posted By scubadown:
Hogan is listed as a GS-12 employee on the federal pay scale and earns at least $95,000 in salary and benefits.

Is her pay alone $95k or is that figure adding in the cost of health, etc. benefits?


Read much?
Link Posted: 4/20/2016 12:55:13 PM EDT
The destruction of the basic foundations of our society is nothing shocking, anymore.

What is shocking is the lengths so many will go to in order to demand that we adhere to the now outdated playbook of "principled Americana" where we are a melting pot, we are the land of the free and the brave and that we are safe from those who have proven themselves willing and capable of punishing their political enemies.

Link Posted: 4/20/2016 12:56:08 PM EDT
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Originally Posted By KennyW1983:
That piece of shit needs to be shown the door. But since they are a federal employee she'll probably get promoted.
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I would promote her.

To senior park ranger in the northern most park in Alaska.
Link Posted: 4/20/2016 12:57:12 PM EDT
The people running the political & governmental apparati of this country hate the Republic and they hate you.

This isn't news, besides the fact that one was honest enough to say so in public.
Link Posted: 4/20/2016 12:59:39 PM EDT
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Originally Posted By SimonPhoto:
What do you expect?

We were in Philadelphia a few weeks ago, and there's basically a fucking shrine to Obama just outside the entrance to the building that houses the Liberty Bell.

Somehow, they've made that whole area about "slavery".
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Well, its nice to see the north owning up to their participation in the slave trade.
Link Posted: 4/20/2016 1:00:31 PM EDT
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Originally Posted By RedDane:


Not exactly making bank.
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Originally Posted By RedDane:
Originally Posted By scubadown:
Hogan is listed as a GS-12 employee on the federal pay scale and earns at least $95,000 in salary and benefits.



Not exactly making bank.


In relation to her level of competency and amount of responsibility I'd say she's doing pretty damn well.
Link Posted: 4/20/2016 1:03:14 PM EDT
When I was at the Lincoln Memorial in 2013, a "Park Ranger" was going to everybody to talk about how Lincoln freed the slaves from the south and was way off course on her history lecture. Made me sick that the US Park Service has turned into the propaganda wing for Obama

Link Posted: 4/20/2016 1:05:02 PM EDT
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Originally Posted By David_ESM:
Originally Posted By Extorris:
Originally Posted By scubadown:
Hogan is listed as a GS-12 employee on the federal pay scale and earns at least $95,000 in salary and benefits.

Is her pay alone $95k or is that figure adding in the cost of health, etc. benefits?

Read much?

I read it but I've seen the media write the same thing about other civil servant salaries and sometimes include the benefits and sometimes not include them.

ETA: And further down there's a post showing that the benfits cost wasn't included in that figure.
Link Posted: 4/20/2016 1:05:06 PM EDT
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Originally Posted By Ranxerox911:
A Park Ranger makes north of $95K per year? WTF.

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no shit


Link Posted: 4/20/2016 1:08:57 PM EDT
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Originally Posted By Extorris:

Is her pay alone $95k or is that figure adding in the cost of health, etc. benefits?

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http://i.imgur.com/ZRmKiCn.png
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Originally Posted By Extorris:
Originally Posted By scubadown:
Hogan is listed as a GS-12 employee on the federal pay scale and earns at least $95,000 in salary and benefits.

Is her pay alone $95k or is that figure adding in the cost of health, etc. benefits?

ETA: From Google

http://i.imgur.com/ZRmKiCn.png

according to the website that is her base pay, she is at least a few steps up, plus the location adjustment

Link Posted: 4/20/2016 1:09:32 PM EDT
Originally Posted By guntrk:
"stunned a group of tourists this week by telling them the Constitution and the Declaration of Independence were the product of "class elites who were just out to protect their privileged status."
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Believe it or not, I've got an acquaintance who's a NEOCON who has said this almost word for word as a point of pride back around 2012. This was in addition to saying people like those in the Tea Party, people like me and you, shouldn't be allowed to hold office.

We aren't just fighting those on the other side of the political debate.
Link Posted: 4/20/2016 1:09:50 PM EDT
Meh. An online media source gives second hand information about what a tour guide said. I guess we are supposed to get the pitchforks out now because our "feelz" are hurt?

Link Posted: 4/20/2016 1:09:56 PM EDT
I read the words federal and Mary and stopped there
Link Posted: 4/20/2016 1:11:18 PM EDT
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Originally Posted By Rustler:
When I was at the Lincoln Memorial in 2013, a "Park Ranger" was going to everybody to talk about how Lincoln freed the slaves from the south and was way off course on her history lecture. Made me sick that the US Park Service has turned into the propaganda wing for Obama

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Obama isn't to blame for every dumbass thing somebody says. I'm willing to bet that park ranger didn't just finish middle school.
Link Posted: 4/20/2016 1:11:32 PM EDT
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Originally Posted By Dino:


According to the website that is her base pay, she is at least a few steps up, plus the location adjustment
https://www.federalpay.org/gs/2016
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Originally Posted By Dino:
Originally Posted By Extorris:
Originally Posted By scubadown:
Hogan is listed as a GS-12 employee on the federal pay scale and earns at least $95,000 in salary and benefits.

Is her pay alone $95k or is that figure adding in the cost of health, etc. benefits?
ETA: From Google
http://i.imgur.com/ZRmKiCn.png


According to the website that is her base pay, she is at least a few steps up, plus the location adjustment
https://www.federalpay.org/gs/2016

Thank you.
Link Posted: 4/20/2016 1:14:20 PM EDT
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Originally Posted By buck19delta:
I don't think that tour would have lasted very long if I was on it. fuck that tour guide. hopefully they will fire their ass .
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Yup. I would have made a scene and turned shit south real fast.
Link Posted: 4/20/2016 1:16:34 PM EDT
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Is her pay alone $95k or is that figure adding in the cost of health, etc. benefits?

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Originally Posted By Extorris:
Originally Posted By scubadown:
Hogan is listed as a GS-12 employee on the federal pay scale and earns at least $95,000 in salary and benefits.

Is her pay alone $95k or is that figure adding in the cost of health, etc. benefits?

ETA: From Google

http://i.imgur.com/ZRmKiCn.png


The chart below is from the link in the article - don't know whether it is real or just made up to look realistic. I suppose the Bureau of Labor Statistics would have the correct numbers if I felt like spending the rest of the afternoon looking for them...






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Originally Posted By Durka-Durka:


Believe it or not, I've got an acquaintance who's a NEOCON who has said this almost word for word as a point of pride back around 2012. This was in addition to saying people like those in the Tea Party, people like me and you, shouldn't be allowed to hold office.

We aren't just fighting those on the other side of the political debate.
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Originally Posted By Durka-Durka:
Originally Posted By guntrk:
"stunned a group of tourists this week by telling them the Constitution and the Declaration of Independence were the product of "class elites who were just out to protect their privileged status."


Believe it or not, I've got an acquaintance who's a NEOCON who has said this almost word for word as a point of pride back around 2012. This was in addition to saying people like those in the Tea Party, people like me and you, shouldn't be allowed to hold office.

We aren't just fighting those on the other side of the political debate.


The argument that the founders were largely (or even primarily) motivated by personal and financial interests has been around for over a century. (See Charles Beard's "An Economic Interpretation of the Constitution," published in 1913.) Of course, most people here aren't actual students of history and are not familiar with the past hundred years of historiography, so they hear secondhand information about someone relating this point and get all butthurt.

I don't fully agree with Beard's ideas, nor most of those by historians who have carried aspects of his interpretations forward. But this is nothing new to people who study Constitutional history.
Link Posted: 4/20/2016 1:23:45 PM EDT
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Idiots everywhere. The main point was it didn't favor a distant King.

Crowder should interview her. Maybe she can explain the phases of the moon.



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Originally Posted By Doc_Lane:


The argument that the founders were largely (or even primarily) motivated by personal and financial interests has been around for over a century. (See Charles Beard's "An Economic Interpretation of the Constitution," published in 1913.) Of course, most people here aren't actual students of history and are not familiar with the past hundred years of historiography, so they hear secondhand information about someone relating this point and get all butthurt.

I don't fully agree with Beard's ideas, nor most of those by historians who have carried aspects of his interpretations forward. But this is nothing new to people who study Constitutional history.
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Originally Posted By Doc_Lane:
Originally Posted By Durka-Durka:
Originally Posted By guntrk:
"stunned a group of tourists this week by telling them the Constitution and the Declaration of Independence were the product of "class elites who were just out to protect their privileged status."


Believe it or not, I've got an acquaintance who's a NEOCON who has said this almost word for word as a point of pride back around 2012. This was in addition to saying people like those in the Tea Party, people like me and you, shouldn't be allowed to hold office.

We aren't just fighting those on the other side of the political debate.


The argument that the founders were largely (or even primarily) motivated by personal and financial interests has been around for over a century. (See Charles Beard's "An Economic Interpretation of the Constitution," published in 1913.) Of course, most people here aren't actual students of history and are not familiar with the past hundred years of historiography, so they hear secondhand information about someone relating this point and get all butthurt.

I don't fully agree with Beard's ideas, nor most of those by historians who have carried aspects of his interpretations forward. But this is nothing new to people who study Constitutional history.


The founding of America is effectively a mythos, not a historical event.
Link Posted: 4/20/2016 1:29:25 PM EDT
There's nothing "elite status" about being hung from the neck until dead by a bunch of red coats. Those "elites" put EVERYTHING on the line in 1776. How much land and money would the sons of liberty have if the British had won? None. Freedom loving people should thank God every single day that the Founders did what they did, regardless of the motivations. I don't care if it was Marty McFly blasting van halen into Thomas Jefferson's ears with a Walkman, it was right and extremely high risk.

Frankly, personal reward / profit from a successful revolution was minimal. Most of these guys were already rich / famous under the British... what do you personally gain by starting a revolution? More land and fame? Hardly tips the scales compared to bring hung and and all your seats seized.

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Originally Posted By Tuco22:
Umm, signing a document that pretty much ensures your execution in the very real event of a loss to the greatest power in the world is a piss poor way of protecting your status.
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This
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Umm, signing a document that pretty much ensures your execution in the very real event of a loss to the greatest power in the world is a piss poor way of protecting your status.
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Not to mention more than a few of the founders gave their fortunes,their sons,their lives that other generations might know freedom...some of the so
called "elite" died penniless and landless after having made their fortunes...gave all that others might be free...

Obviously our government needs to be cut by 90% starting with her job
Link Posted: 4/20/2016 2:18:38 PM EDT
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Hamilton to stay on $10; Harriet Tubman replacing Jackson on the $20

Treasury Secretary Jack Lew is expected to announce the changes on Wednesday after receiving fierce blowback.

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...snip...The main point was it didn't favor a distant King to make every effort to form a government where under any circumstance, REASON may prevail.

...snip...



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Originally Posted By Extorris:
Originally Posted By scubadown:
Hogan is listed as a GS-12 employee on the federal pay scale and earns at least $95,000 in salary and benefits.

Is her pay alone $95k or is that figure adding in the cost of health, etc. benefits?


Read much?


Actually it probably is without. GS-12 in Phili area ranges from 75,900-98,669 base salary.
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double tap
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Originally Posted By Doc_Lane:


The argument that the founders were largely (or even primarily) motivated by personal and financial interests has been around for over a century. (See Charles Beard's "An Economic Interpretation of the Constitution," published in 1913.) Of course, most people here aren't actual students of history and are not familiar with the past hundred years of historiography, so they hear secondhand information about someone relating this point and get all butthurt.

I don't fully agree with Beard's ideas, nor most of those by historians who have carried aspects of his interpretations forward. But this is nothing new to people who study Constitutional history.
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Originally Posted By Doc_Lane:
Originally Posted By Durka-Durka:
Originally Posted By guntrk:
"stunned a group of tourists this week by telling them the Constitution and the Declaration of Independence were the product of "class elites who were just out to protect their privileged status."


Believe it or not, I've got an acquaintance who's a NEOCON who has said this almost word for word as a point of pride back around 2012. This was in addition to saying people like those in the Tea Party, people like me and you, shouldn't be allowed to hold office.

We aren't just fighting those on the other side of the political debate.


The argument that the founders were largely (or even primarily) motivated by personal and financial interests has been around for over a century. (See Charles Beard's "An Economic Interpretation of the Constitution," published in 1913.) Of course, most people here aren't actual students of history and are not familiar with the past hundred years of historiography, so they hear secondhand information about someone relating this point and get all butthurt.

I don't fully agree with Beard's ideas, nor most of those by historians who have carried aspects of his interpretations forward. But this is nothing new to people who study Constitutional history.


The Progressive era (1890-1920) in this country necessitated a re-writing of history in order to make any inroads. So it shouldn't be a surprise that he would warp history to fit the Progressive mold with his 1913 book. Progressives have always been about lies and half-truths.

1913 was also the period which saw the inclusion of the "Progressive Amendments" to the Constitution:

The Sixteenth Amendment gave the federal government the power to lay and collect an income tax regardless of the source
of that income. It was ratified February 3, 1913.

The Seventeenth Amendment provided for the direct election of Senators by the people rather than by the state legislatures
as the original Constitution called for. The seventeenth amendment was ratified two months after the sixteenth, on April 8, 1913

I think the butthurt is from having to listen to the refuted lies of the Progressives of 1913 delivered as "fact" in 2016.
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The founding of America is effectively a mythos, not a historical event.
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Originally Posted By Doc_Lane:
Originally Posted By Durka-Durka:
Originally Posted By guntrk:
"stunned a group of tourists this week by telling them the Constitution and the Declaration of Independence were the product of "class elites who were just out to protect their privileged status."


Believe it or not, I've got an acquaintance who's a NEOCON who has said this almost word for word as a point of pride back around 2012. This was in addition to saying people like those in the Tea Party, people like me and you, shouldn't be allowed to hold office.

We aren't just fighting those on the other side of the political debate.


The argument that the founders were largely (or even primarily) motivated by personal and financial interests has been around for over a century. (See Charles Beard's "An Economic Interpretation of the Constitution," published in 1913.) Of course, most people here aren't actual students of history and are not familiar with the past hundred years of historiography, so they hear secondhand information about someone relating this point and get all butthurt.

I don't fully agree with Beard's ideas, nor most of those by historians who have carried aspects of his interpretations forward. But this is nothing new to people who study Constitutional history.


The founding of America is effectively a mythos, not a historical event.



Go on....
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Go on....
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Originally Posted By Snips:
Originally Posted By Doc_Lane:
The argument that the founders were largely (or even primarily) motivated by personal and financial interests has been around for over a century. (See Charles Beard's "An Economic Interpretation of the Constitution," published in 1913.) Of course, most people here aren't actual students of history and are not familiar with the past hundred years of historiography, so they hear secondhand information about someone relating this point and get all butthurt.

I don't fully agree with Beard's ideas, nor most of those by historians who have carried aspects of his interpretations forward. But this is nothing new to people who study Constitutional history.


The founding of America is effectively a mythos, not a historical event.


Go on....


Nations have founding myths. Ours just happens to be more recent than others. The idea of our founding as propagated to Americans through our culture isn't based on serious historical study. We wouldn't be teaching kids that George Washington chopped down a cherry tree and never told a lie if we were concerned with historical accuracy.
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In relation to her level of competency and amount of responsibility I'd say she's doing pretty damn well.
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Originally Posted By scubadown:
Hogan is listed as a GS-12 employee on the federal pay scale and earns at least $95,000 in salary and benefits.



Not exactly making bank.


In relation to her level of competency and amount of responsibility I'd say she's doing pretty damn well.


Yeah that's true. She's a dingbat.
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Originally Posted By Extorris:

Is her pay alone $95k or is that figure adding in the cost of health, etc. benefits?

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Originally Posted By scubadown:
Hogan is listed as a GS-12 employee on the federal pay scale and earns at least $95,000 in salary and benefits.

Is her pay alone $95k or is that figure adding in the cost of health, etc. benefits?

ETA: From Google

http://i.imgur.com/ZRmKiCn.png
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