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Posted: 4/26/2023 7:38:36 PM EST
Dr. Anthony Fauci admitted that "something clearly went wrong" with the country's COVID-19 response in an interview published Tuesday   but absolved himself from some of the most impactful results of his anti-infection recommendations.

"Show me a school that I shut down and show me a factory that I shut down. Never. I never did," Fauci told The New York Times Magazine when questioned about the "heavy-handed" policies he suggested throughout the pandemic.

"I gave a public-health recommendation that echoed the CDC's recommendation, and people made a decision based on that. But I never criticized the people who had to make the decisions one way or the other."

The former chief medical advisor to the president whined that he was accused of shutting down the economy for relaying the national public health agency's suggestions to shut down schools and businesses during the height of the pandemic.

Fauci repeatedly came under fire for sea-sawing on several preventative measures, most memorably mask mandates   he originally told Americans masking was not necessary before back peddling and pointing to the practice as a necessity to overcome the pandemic.

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Link Posted: 4/26/2023 8:51:27 PM EST
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Let's start with the mask lie in March 2020, the go from there.
Link Posted: 4/26/2023 8:59:04 PM EST
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They should lock him up
Link Posted: 4/26/2023 8:59:13 PM EST
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Link Posted: 4/26/2023 10:57:10 PM EST
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Soon it will be:

"Show me one person I forced to get that experimental shot..."
Link Posted: 4/27/2023 12:20:58 AM EST
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And I would bet that he expects us all to look him in the eye with our mouths full of this BS and wait until he says to spit or swallow.
Link Posted: 4/27/2023 2:20:00 AM EST
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Originally Posted By OverScoped:

Technically he didn't do it. Lol
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Link Posted: 4/27/2023 3:18:01 AM EST
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There's no COC compliant statement to make to that kind of progressive evasion of responsibility.  At some point these turds end up hanging themselves by their feet like their pal Mussolini.
Link Posted: 4/27/2023 9:34:05 PM EST
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Top Ten Quotes from the Fuaci Interview


Billed as the most in-depth interview yet, the New York Times published a very long piece that contains some rather startling admissions, claims, and defenses from Anthony Fauci, the face of lockdowns and shot mandates.

The author and interviewer is David Wallace-Wells, who before (and now after) Covid specialized in writing about climate change, invokes every predictable trope. So there was a sense in which this interview was a lovefest between the two. Still it netted some interesting results.

Here are my top-ten picks of Fauci quotes.

1. Fauci: “Something clearly went wrong. And I don’t know exactly what it was. But the reason we know it went wrong is that we are the richest country in the world, and on a per-capita basis we’ve done worse than virtually all other countries.”

This seems promising but one quickly realizes that there is an axiom among the people responsible for lockdowns. They were completely correct in their thinking. The problem was not enough centralization, prior planning, or resources. Also there was too much disinformation and non-compliance, leading to a low vaccine uptake compared with other countries. The vaccines are the miracle and the greatest achievement of the pandemic, a point on which they admit no argument.

This is also the conclusion of a thing called The Covid Crisis Group (funded mostly by the Charles Koch and Rockefeller Foundations) which has released the new book Lessons from the Covid War: An Investigative Report. There is no PDF. You have to buy it. The lead author is the well-known fixer Philip Zelikow, who wrote the 9-11 Commission report. Included among the team is none other than Carter Mecher, who bears more responsibility for school closings than anyone else. Also there is Rajeev Venkayya, the one-time Bush administration official who is widely credited with having invented the very concept of lockdowns.

It’s their story and they are sticking to it.

2. Fauci on vaccine mandates: “Man, I think, almost paradoxically, you had people who were on the fence about getting vaccinated thinking, why are they forcing me to do this? And that sometimes-beautiful independent streak in our country becomes counterproductive. And you have that smoldering anti-science feeling, a divisiveness that’s palpable politically in this country.”

If you didn’t think you needed the vaccine or didn’t trust it, Fauci proclaims that you are responsible for divisiveness and anti-science feeling. The “independent streak” is called freedom, which for him is the real problem. The lesson for next time? Hard to know. Maybe he thinks the mandates should have been enforced with more energy.

3. Fauci on the economics of the lockdowns: “The Centers for Disease Control and Prevention is not an economic organization. The surgeon general is not an economist. So we looked at it from a purely public-health standpoint. It was for other people to make broader assessments — people whose positions include but aren’t exclusively about public health. Those people have to make the decisions about the balance between the potential negative consequences of something versus the benefits of something.”

There we go with the great divide between public health and real life, as if one does not impact the other. Public health cared not for economics – the science of human cooperation – and, sadly, the economists were too often unschooled on public health. The compartmentalization of speciality fields played into the haphazard totalitarianism we experienced.

4. Fauci on why he is not responsible for anything: “when people say, ‘Fauci shut down the economy’ — it wasn’t Fauci. The C.D.C. was the organization that made those recommendations. I happened to be perceived as the personification of the recommendations. But show me a school that I shut down and show me a factory that I shut down. Never. I never did. I gave a public-health recommendation that echoed the C.D.C.’s recommendation, and people made a decision based on that. But I never criticized the people who had to make the decisions one way or the other.

He was merely deferring to a giant bureaucracy where no one takes responsibility either!

5. Fauci on how they should have locked down earlier: “We were not fully appreciative of the fact that we were dealing with a highly, highly transmissible virus that was clearly spread by ways that were unprecedented and unexperienced by us. And so it fooled us in the beginning and confused us about the need for masks and the need for ventilation and the need for inhibition of social interaction.” Should they have shut down in February 2020? “We should have, probably, if we knew what we know now.”

Inexperienced in a textbook respiratory virus? It’s because they thought it was a bioweapon that could be handled like AIDS. Masks were the condoms. Lockdowns were the behavioral changes. Minimizing of cases was the metric of success. On every point, they were wrong. Plus they didn’t even learn from the AIDS experience. It wasn’t the vaccines that cooled the crisis. It was the therapeutics innovated in clinical experience. Instead, Fauci shut down all efforts at early treatment to wait for the vaccines. Having done it earlier would have been even worse!

6. Fauci on the effectiveness of masking: “From a broad public-health standpoint, at the population level, masks work at the margins — maybe 10 percent. But for an individual who religiously wears a mask, a well-fitted KN95 or N95, it’s not at the margin. It really does work. But I think anything that instigated or intensified the culture wars just made things worse. And I have to be honest with you, David, when it comes to masking, I don’t know.”

He doesn’t know. At least he admits it. And yet the CDC is still suing for the legal right to impose masking on the whole population whoever it wants.

7. Fauci on not understanding the virus: “Herd immunity is based on two premises: one, that the virus doesn’t change, and two, that when you get infected or vaccinated, the durability of protection is measured in decades, if not a lifetime. With SARS-CoV-2, we thought protection against infection was going to be measured in a long period of time. And we found out — wait a minute, protection against infection, and against severe disease, is measured in months, not decades. No. 2, the virus that you got infected with in January 2020 is very different from the virus that you’re going to get infected with in 2021 and 2022.”

To be clear, nothing about herd immunity requires lifetime immunity and it certainly is not premised on unchanging virus. Indeed, it is astonishing that he claims they had no idea the virus would mutate. It’s an established reality that such widespread and mostly non-deadly pathogens like this mutate, which is precisely why they cannot be eradicated through vaccination. Why must anyone have to explain virus basics to Fauci of all people?

8. Fauci on the huge age gradient of medically significant risk: “Did we say that the elderly were much more vulnerable? Yes. Did we say it over and over and over again? Yes, yes, yes. But somehow or other, the general public didn’t get that feeling that the vulnerable are really, really heavily weighted toward the elderly. Like 85 percent of the hospitalizations are there.”

In fact, their solution was to shut down the whole of society for a virus that was mostly if not entirely a danger to the aged and sick. And to justify that, they absolutely did obscure the risk gradient, which is why most everyone was running around like their hair was on fire. The attempt was precisely to create population fear and panic, as Fauci said many times in private.

9. Fauci on whether the NIH funded the lab that leaked the virus. “ Now you’re saying things that are a little bit troublesome to me. That I need to go to bed tonight worrying that N.I.H.-funded research was responsible for pandemic origins…. Well, I sleep fine. I sleep fine. And remember, this work was done in order to be able to help prepare us for the next outbreak. This work was not conceived by me as I was having my omelet in the morning. It is a grant that was put before peer review of independent scientists whose main role is to try to get data to protect the health and safety of the American public and the world. And it was judged that this type of research was important.”

Once again, if the NIH had anything to do with funding the research that led to the virus, he is not responsible for that either. It was those pesky independent scientists. He has again thrown colleagues under the bus.

10. Fauci on gain-of-function research: “Some want to pass a law: All gain-of-function should be stopped. But if all gain-of-function stops, you will have no vaccines for flu. You will have no vaccines for any of the other diseases, because all of that manipulates a virus or a pathogen to gain a certain function to be able to make a vaccine.”

That’s a very hard claim. I asked ChatGPT about that and it quickly spat out the following:

“No, the flu vaccine does not require gain-of-function research. The development of flu vaccines typically involves studying the behavior of the virus and its strains, identifying the most common strains and predicting which one will be most prevalent in the upcoming season. The vaccine is then developed using inactivated or attenuated versions of the virus, which do not require gain-of-function research. Gain-of-function research, which involves genetically modifying viruses to make them more infectious or deadly, is sometimes used for studying the flu virus, but it is not required for the creation of flu vaccines.”

If not for the flu vaccine, what is gain-of-function’s purpose? The creation of bioweapons and vaccines to confound them? The track record of this looks awful.

Fauci and his friends keep trying to close the book on the Covid epoch. They have settled on the messaging and are doing everything possible to tie it all up in a bow in hopes that everyone will move on. The mainstream media wants to move on too. Everyone guilty for the wreckage wants to do the same, particularly the elites in every sector that pushed for and celebrated the mass violation of human rights.

They are wrong. The book is not closed and will not be until we get honest answers.
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Democrats are known for their truthfulness and transparency.

Link Posted: 4/28/2023 11:17:29 AM EST
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They should lock him up
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They should hang him live on National TV, but alas.
Link Posted: 4/28/2023 11:28:19 AM EST
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Tons of these "follow the science" lockdown, forced injection psychopaths are all now saying that they never said the things that we all know they were screaming non-stop for three straight years.


I'm guessing the people that they convinced to get all jabbed up will follow this new science the same as they followed the old science. The science says that they never said that, and so they didn't, and to suggest that they did is a racism.
Link Posted: 4/29/2023 8:57:17 PM EST
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As much as I hate the Keebler elf, he's not wrong. He was in an advisory position and as he said "Trump has done everything I've asked". Trump administration leaned HEAVILY on the states to follow Fauci/Birx. Go back to Trump's 2020 Twitter timeline and look at him whining about DeSantis opening the state up to soon and it was going to kill people.
Deep blue states like WA, OR, CA, MI, NY followed the Trump admin guidance closer than anyone.
How many ventilators did that administration buy and rush out knowing they were killing people?
Link Posted: 4/30/2023 8:27:43 AM EST
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Fuck that troll doll.
Link Posted: 5/5/2023 9:21:36 AM EST
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Notice how they operate?  No apology tour, just a constant evasion of responsibility.  Meanwhile every sad-sack spineless shit on our team pens an apology and reverses their position the next fucking day.
Link Posted: 5/5/2023 9:25:18 AM EST
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Originally Posted By Mr_Woodsy:
As much as I hate the Keebler elf, he's not wrong. He was in an advisory position and as he said "Trump has done everything I've asked". Trump administration leaned HEAVILY on the states to follow Fauci/Birx. Go back to Trump's 2020 Twitter timeline and look at him whining about DeSantis opening the state up to soon and it was going to kill people.
Deep blue states like WA, OR, CA, MI, NY followed the Trump admin guidance closer than anyone.
How many ventilators did that administration buy and rush out knowing they were killing people?
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Yes he is wrong.  His advise was to people that could effect the shutdown and that advise was to do it and without delay.  Playing the "I didn't do anything wrong, I just drove the guys to your house that raped your wife and came up with the plan.  I waited in the car" game is crap as is this kind of support post.
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