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Posted: 8/13/2007 3:25:53 PM EDT
FATHERS, THE THIRD VICTIM OF THE ABORTION INDUSTRY
By Carey Roberts
August 11, 2007
NewsWithViews.com

Why are men reflexively treated as the fall-guy in the abortion debate?

Recently National Review Online convened a group to opine what would happen in a post-Roe v. Wade world to women who might obtain an illegal abortion. The panelists reveal that before 1973, women who sought an abortion were not subject to criminal prosecution. So overturning Roe v. Wade would not fill our jails with post-abortive women. [Read]

One theme surfaces repeatedly in the commentaries: feckless boyfriends who abandon their partners in their hour of greatest need.

Hadley Arkes of Amherst College describes women having an abortion as routinely “Abandoned by the man.” And Dorinda Bordlee from the Bioethics Defense Fund obliquely refers to fathers as “those who should be caring for [the mothers] and their unborn children.”

So does research back up these broad pronouncements of male abandonment?

In their book Men and Abortion: Lessons, Losses, and Love, Shostak and McLouth report that 44% of single men offered to marry the woman, 18% of the couples had discussed adoption, and half the men accompanied the woman to the abortion clinic – hardly the image of wholesale male abandonment.

When these men show up at the clinic, they are met with a chilly reception. Two-thirds of the fathers want to accompany their partner throughout the experience, and nine out of 10 hope to hold the hand of their partner in the recovery room. But in most cases abortion clinics prohibit men from such expressions of support.

But the NRO panel reserves it harshest criticism for men who force their girlfriends to abort.

Walter Weber at the American Center for Law and Justice claims that “many” women (we aren’t told the number) obtain abortions because “they are coerced by boyfriends, bosses, parents, etc.”

Joseph Dellapenna of Villanova University states, “Significant evidence led one sociologist to conclude that ‘the attitude of the man is the most important variable in a woman’s decision to have an abortion.” Dellapenna does not cite, however, the name of the sociologist or explain what constitutes “significant evidence.”

And Frederica Mathewes-Green recounts the tales of two women who were undergoing an abortion. As they lay on the clinic table, both of them were praying that the boyfriend would burst through the doors and say, “Stop, I changed my mind.” Mathewes-Green’s imagery of the angelic woman succumbing to the spell of the conniving male is unmistakable.

But research paints a very different picture.

Several years ago Carol Gilligan’s acclaimed study, In a Different Voice, examined the dynamics of the abortion decision. She found in only one-third of cases did the father have any influence on the woman’s decision to abort.

Likewise, professors Arthur Shostak, Ross Koppel, and Jennifer Perkins recently summarized several large-scale surveys of men in abortion clinic waiting rooms. They reported that only 19% of men in waiting rooms affirmed the idea of abortion in general, and fewer than 5% of men “may have cajoled their partner into having the abortion.”

The conclusion is clear: men are not dragging their pregnant girlfriends willy-nilly into abortion clinics against their will.

Abortion is one of those moral and social tragedies that seems to invite simplistic explanations. But the reality is far more complex.

For example, none of the NRO participants mentioned the fact that thanks to the 1992 U.S. Supreme Court decision Casey v. Planned Parenthood, women are not required to inform the father of the impending abortion. That’s an important omission -- according to clinic workers, in 15% of abortions the man never finds out, or learns of the deed until it’s too late.

I once met such a man – years later he was still grieving the silent loss of his precious innocent.

A growing body of research reveals that fathers suffer a variety of ill-consequences following the abortion. Dr. Catherine Coyle recently reviewed 28 studies that reveal men often suffer regret, sadness, and depression. One-third admit to a longing to see the fetus.

Coyle sums up the research with this observation: “Several authors have noted a tendency among men to defer the abortion decision to their female partners as well as a tendency to repress their own emotions in an attempt to support their partners.”

Many argue that women are the second victim of the grisly abortion industry. Clearly men can be victims, as well. So when will we stop treating fathers as social pariahs?

http://newswithviews.com/Roberts/carey186.htm
Link Posted: 8/13/2007 3:30:46 PM EDT
[Last Edit: 8/13/2007 3:38:17 PM EDT by Dusty_C]
My ex aborted my child without me ever knowing she was pregnant. The pain hasn't ever let up.


ETA, I was kind of offended yesterday driving through Gettysburg when I saw one of the hospitals from the battle. Right next to a planned parenthood clinic
Link Posted: 8/13/2007 3:32:36 PM EDT
Since when does what the man feels have anything to do with it? It's a woman's choice to kill the child, not the man's, ya big silly.

The above was sarcasm.

Abortion is nothing short of cold, bloody, premeditated MURDER, and it really is, just that simple.
Link Posted: 8/13/2007 3:34:25 PM EDT
The inability of the father to have any say over an abortion has always struck me as one of the biggest hypocracies within the abortion rights crowd.
Link Posted: 8/13/2007 3:35:57 PM EDT
Well, until babies come out of penises it's really hard to compare the decision 1-to-1.
Link Posted: 8/13/2007 3:39:09 PM EDT

Originally Posted By dolanp:
Well, until babies come out of penises it's really hard to compare the decision 1-to-1.
Horseshit. It's a life from the moment of conception, a life that has 2 parents.
Link Posted: 8/13/2007 3:39:52 PM EDT

Originally Posted By dolanp:
Well, until babies come out of penises it's really hard to compare the decision 1-to-1.


Well he most likely has to at least pay for it for the next 18 years. Plus if he is willing to take custody(which I think most would if they didnt want the child to be aborted), he have to take care of it too.

I think thats an even trade.

Personal Responsibility. If you really dont want a kid, dont stick it in the pink kids. It really is that simple.
Link Posted: 8/13/2007 3:41:08 PM EDT

Originally Posted By BuckeyeRifleman:

Originally Posted By dolanp:
Well, until babies come out of penises it's really hard to compare the decision 1-to-1.


Well he most likely has to at least pay for it for the next 18 years. Plus if he is willing to take custody(which I think most would if they didnt want the child to be aborted), he have to take care of it too.

I think thats an even trade.

Personal Responsibility. If you really dont want a kid, dont stick it in the pink kids. It really is that simple.
+eleventybillion
Link Posted: 8/13/2007 3:41:37 PM EDT

Originally Posted By dolanp:
Well, until babies come out of penises it's really hard to compare the decision 1-to-1.


I guess one could say the same re: child "support" then, eh?

J
Link Posted: 8/13/2007 3:41:45 PM EDT

Originally Posted By Dusty_C:

Originally Posted By dolanp:
Well, until babies come out of penises it's really hard to compare the decision 1-to-1.
Horseshit. It's a life from the moment of conception, a life that has 2 parents.


True, but it only grows in one of their bodies.
Link Posted: 8/13/2007 3:43:03 PM EDT

Originally Posted By Templar223:

Originally Posted By dolanp:
Well, until babies come out of penises it's really hard to compare the decision 1-to-1.


I guess one could say the same re: child "support" then, eh?

J


You're saying you'd be pro-choice if there was no such thing as child support? Strange logic.
Link Posted: 8/13/2007 4:14:57 PM EDT

When I was younger I never thought about abortion and as far as I know have never been involved in one. Here is what I have learned about abortion.

1. When a girl has an abortion it bothers her. She will deal with it, but it is like a time bomb. One day, say five years after the abortion, she will see a five year old and think "That is what my child would be like now". That is when it gets them.

2. I have known a good many girls who have had abortions and know one girl who has had several. While YMMV a lot of the girls who have had them have trouble getting pregnant later in life. This bothers them.

If one of my girls came to me, and I hope they would, and told me she was pregnant and wanted my advice I would drive her to a playground and say "Could you walk over there and kill one of those kids right now? Because the action you are contemplating is the same as if you walked over there and shot your own kid."
It is very sad that so many young girls bear the burden of an abortion instead of the burdens and joys of motherhood. I have never known a girl who didn't have an abortion who later said "I don't love my child and wish I never had them. I think I will go hit them in the head with a claw hammer".
Link Posted: 8/13/2007 4:17:44 PM EDT
If the law can put the father on the hook for 18 years of support then he ought to have a say in any decision related to said obligation.
Link Posted: 8/13/2007 4:20:25 PM EDT
Link Posted: 8/13/2007 6:22:01 PM EDT

Originally Posted By 03PSD:
If the law can put the father on the hook for 18 years of support then he ought to have a say in any decision related to said obligation.


Never happen. The man just has to pay.
Link Posted: 8/13/2007 6:24:59 PM EDT

Originally Posted By dolanp:

Originally Posted By Dusty_C:

Originally Posted By dolanp:

Originally Posted By Dusty_C:

Originally Posted By dolanp:
Well, until babies come out of penises it's really hard to compare the decision 1-to-1.
Horseshit. It's a life from the moment of conception, a life that has 2 parents.


True, but it only grows in one of their bodies.
And? Without us it wouldn't be growing there. A mom has no more right to decide to kill a baby than a dad does.



What do you think the punishment should be for a woman who does it?


For me it depends on what the law says. If the law decides a fetus = a human then I think they should get charged with murder. If a law doesn't say a fetus = a human but still outlaws abortion it should be a lesser punishment than murder. It should still be outlawed though.
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