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Posted: 9/29/2011 5:06:38 PM EST
http://www.nypost.com/p/news/opinion/opedcolumnists/furious_revelation_OhK6TBqPlEpRglHjsSbiBI

There are two possible explanations. The first is that the anti-gun Obama administration deliberately wanted American guns planted in Mexico in order to demonize American firearms dealers and gun owners. The operation was manufacturing “evidence” for the president’s false claim that we’re to blame for the appalling levels of Mexican drug-war violence.

Read more: http://www.nypost.com/p/news/opinion/opedcolumnists/furious_revelation_OhK6TBqPlEpRglHjsSbiBI#ixzz1ZOh40ett
Link Posted: 9/29/2011 5:13:28 PM EST
And why hasn't a special prosecutor been chosen?
Link Posted: 9/29/2011 5:21:31 PM EST
From the get go I felt that their plan was to use thoose rifles to make an issue. They got caught and STILL tried to pin it on shops and people making staw purchases. Then the flood gates opened and they got quiet. As far as im concerned everyone involved should be in prison... and not country club prison. Get raped prison!
Link Posted: 9/29/2011 5:23:19 PM EST
We need to get rid of these mutha-fookers and move on. I really don't think Onumbbuts will care. He can go on his speaking tour and make millions. Gotta keep the Wookie in cool threads:


I just hope they don't fuck the White House up too badly on their way out.
Link Posted: 9/29/2011 5:27:33 PM EST
Originally Posted By fire_medic:
And why hasn't a special prosecutor been chosen?

One theory is that they are deliberately proceeding slowly, and holding off on a special prosecutor in order to push it back until closer to the election.
Link Posted: 9/29/2011 5:34:39 PM EST
Holder must go along with the man-child emperor king in the Whine House.
Link Posted: 9/29/2011 5:39:40 PM EST
Originally Posted By Leeland111:
We need to get rid of these mutha-fookers and move on. I really don't think Onumbbuts will care. He can go on his speaking tour and make millions. Gotta keep the Wookie in cool threads:
http://boudicabpi.files.wordpress.com/2010/11/michellewookiewitchdr.jpg

I just hope they don't fuck the White House up too badly on their way out.


with our kinda luck they'll finish what the british started about 200 years ago
Link Posted: 9/29/2011 6:00:03 PM EST
The CIA? Really? I would like to think that the CIA has a little more juice than needing to buy guns from a local gun store to arm a Mexican cartel.
Link Posted: 9/29/2011 6:12:41 PM EST
You are probably going to learn it was a combination of poor leadership, shitty prosecution, an overzealous tard supervisor and an equally poor agent.

Link Posted: 9/29/2011 6:18:55 PM EST
Originally Posted By Leeland111:
The CIA? Really? I would like to think that the CIA has a little more juice than needing to buy guns from a local gun store to arm a Mexican cartel.


The "Company" isn't concerned with the mechanism, i.e. gunrunning, but with the payoff: drug money. That cartel money being laundered through Wachovia/Wells-Fargo is what finances the "black" budget.

Link Posted: 9/29/2011 6:35:48 PM EST
What do most people do when they get caught. They lie, and try to cover it up and hope nobody finds out any more. This will get brushed aside unless the people continue to make it a big deal.
Link Posted: 9/29/2011 6:57:19 PM EST

Originally Posted By JohnSmith6073:

You are probably going to learn it was a combination of poor leadership, shitty prosecution, an overzealous tard supervisor and an equally poor agent.



Not if the rest of the article is accurate:


Let that sink in: After months of pretending that "Fast and Furious” was a botched surveillance operation of illegal gun-running spearheaded by the ATF and the US attorney’s office in Phoenix, it turns out that the government itself was selling guns to the bad guys.

Agent John Dodson was ordered to buy four Draco pistols for cash and even got a letter from his supervisor, David Voth, authorizing a federally licensed gun dealer to sell him the guns without bothering about the necessary paperwork.




Read more: http://www.nypost.com/p/news/opinion/opedcolumnists/furious_revelation_OhK6TBqPlEpRglHjsSbiBI#ixzz1ZP9JYmlR


Link Posted: 9/29/2011 9:17:13 PM EST
[Last Edit: 9/29/2011 9:19:26 PM EST by Kevyn]
Originally Posted By Gamma762:
Originally Posted By fire_medic:
And why hasn't a special prosecutor been chosen?

One theory is that they are deliberately proceeding slowly, and holding off on a special prosecutor in order to push it back until closer to the election.


Rumors allude to another investigation through a Senate committee concurrent to Grassley & Issa's investigation. I think, the congressional investigators want to gather as much evidence and testimony under oath as possible BEFORE appointing the Independent Special Prosecutor. If I understand the process, once the prosecutor is appointed and his investigation/prosecution begins, the other investigating committees will have to halt their investigations...

The coverup is on a grand scale and truly, this 'scandal' make either Watergate or Iran-Contra look like child's play in comparison to its breadth and scope and in terms of the totality of murders that have resulted from the arms transfers.

Remember, arms were bought and paid for by our government, transferred to known criminals already on the DEA and FBI payrolls and then smuggled across an international border and transferred again to professional murderers.

There's a lot of tinfoil thinking about whether or not the CIA was involved but its unproven and the facts, so far, are unclear about all the tie-ins with international operating agencies. It's known that the DEA and FBI are deep in the mix so the DOJ is about as dirty as dirty can be at this point. What's not clear is what role the State Department and the Executive Branch have played...

... and that's why the investigators are treading lightly or at least trying to stay 'under the radar' and off the front pages until they have corroborated evidence––- which seems to be unfolding very quickly.

We're upset... and WE constitute a significant number of people but we're not regime supporters anyway so the regime may not be losing any sleep over this. Especially when they have the media on their short leash and a 'slush' fund probably beyond comprehension in terms of the ink and air time they can bring to bear to keep it 'off the radar'.

Ya, the election cycle may play a role but I think it's partly coincidental timing but hey, lets capitalize on the situation and make sure F&F is a HUGE election issue.

Once the ITAR violations and the other international aspects start to really surface, the Obama regime is going to be very hard pressed to find cover and if it just happens to coincide with some of the Democratic election activities, oh well.

Not in my life time has the sheer magnitude of political corruption been so flagrant, so arrogant and so deadly.
Link Posted: 9/29/2011 9:35:34 PM EST
Guys you are missing the IMPORTANT issues with Operation F&F:

Micheal Jackson's doctor may have given him too much dope, and Chaz Bono is on Dancing With The Stars.

Blame it on the .gov, but the real problem is the average American doesn't give a fuck about incredible .gov corruption.
Link Posted: 9/29/2011 9:39:44 PM EST
Originally Posted By Kevyn:
Originally Posted By Gamma762:
Originally Posted By fire_medic:
And why hasn't a special prosecutor been chosen?

One theory is that they are deliberately proceeding slowly, and holding off on a special prosecutor in order to push it back until closer to the election.


Rumors allude to another investigation through a Senate committee concurrent to Grassley & Issa's investigation. I think, the congressional investigators want to gather as much evidence and testimony under oath as possible BEFORE appointing the Independent Special Prosecutor. If I understand the process, once the prosecutor is appointed and his investigation/prosecution begins, the other investigating committees will have to halt their investigations...

The coverup is on a grand scale and truly, this 'scandal' make either Watergate or Iran-Contra look like child's play in comparison to its breadth and scope and in terms of the totality of murders that have resulted from the arms transfers.

Remember, arms were bought and paid for by our government, transferred to known criminals already on the DEA and FBI payrolls and then smuggled across an international border and transferred again to professional murderers.

There's a lot of tinfoil thinking about whether or not the CIA was involved but its unproven and the facts, so far, are unclear about all the tie-ins with international operating agencies. It's known that the DEA and FBI are deep in the mix so the DOJ is about as dirty as dirty can be at this point. What's not clear is what role the State Department and the Executive Branch have played...

... and that's why the investigators are treading lightly or at least trying to stay 'under the radar' and off the front pages until they have corroborated evidence––- which seems to be unfolding very quickly.

We're upset... and WE constitute a significant number of people but we're not regime supporters anyway so the regime may not be losing any sleep over this. Especially when they have the media on their short leash and a 'slush' fund probably beyond comprehension in terms of the ink and air time they can bring to bear to keep it 'off the radar'.

Ya, the election cycle may play a role but I think it's partly coincidental timing but hey, lets capitalize on the situation and make sure F&F is a HUGE election issue.

Once the ITAR violations and the other international aspects start to really surface, the Obama regime is going to be very hard pressed to find cover and if it just happens to coincide with some of the Democratic election activities, oh well.

Not in my life time has the sheer magnitude of political corruption been so flagrant, so arrogant and so deadly.


When Kevyn speaks upon this subject, those not following the tacked F&F thread should pay close attention. He gets it.
Link Posted: 9/29/2011 9:41:26 PM EST
I read the article tonite

All I can do is shake my head
Link Posted: 9/29/2011 9:44:42 PM EST

Originally Posted By Leeland111:

I just hope they don't fuck the White House up too badly on their way out.

You mean like wiping boogers on the bottom of the desks that were crafted in the early 1800's? Or behind the picture frames of priceless paintings? Yeah I thought about that too.
Link Posted: 9/29/2011 9:44:57 PM EST
Originally Posted By fire_medic:
And why hasn't a special prosecutor been chosen?


what are you going to do? dismantle the ATF?


good luck with that
Link Posted: 9/29/2011 9:50:32 PM EST
Link Posted: 9/29/2011 9:58:08 PM EST

Originally Posted By 556A2:
Guys you are missing the IMPORTANT issues with Operation F&F:

Micheal Jackson's doctor may have given him too much dope, and Chaz Bono is on Dancing With The Stars.

Blame it on the .gov, but the real problem is the average American doyou esn't give a fuck about incredible .gov corruption.

Don't fall for the trap that you and I aren't average American's. I remember well during the Clinton regime that the spin was HUGE making folks feel dis-affected and all alone. Up is down, down is up. Sky is green, grass is blue bullshit.

You and I are the average American's. The ones behind this and their constituents are not.

The media has this administrations back. They are complicit and will become marginalized in time as the rest of "average America" catches on.
Link Posted: 9/29/2011 10:10:13 PM EST
Originally Posted By 4v50:
Holder must go along with the man-child emperor king in the Whine House.


actually, Holder is worse than Obama, that racist fuckstain has been doing this crap since the early 90's working under then AG, Janet "Manface" Reno.
Link Posted: 9/29/2011 10:14:05 PM EST

Originally Posted By WGPKlaus:
Originally Posted By 4v50:
Holder must go along with the man-child emperor king in the Whine House.


actually, Holder is worse than Obama, that racist fuckstain has been doing this crap since the early 90's working under then AG, Janet "Manface" Reno.
Yeah, Holder is a worthless son of a bitch. That feels good to say. The whole fucking lot of them remind me of seedy used car salesman. Obviously seedy used car salesman stay in business.

Link Posted: 9/29/2011 10:19:37 PM EST
Either it's a ill conceived plan or total incompetence, take your pick, It's just like every other obama scheme
Link Posted: 9/29/2011 10:21:15 PM EST

Originally Posted By Storm_Tracker:

Originally Posted By WGPKlaus:
Originally Posted By 4v50:
Holder must go along with the man-child emperor king in the Whine House.


actually, Holder is worse than Obama, that racist fuckstain has been doing this crap since the early 90's working under then AG, Janet "Manface" Reno.
Yeah, Holder is a worthless son of a bitch. That feels good to say. The whole fucking lot of them remind me of seedy used car salesman. Obviously seedy used car salesman stay in business.


Holder at this point is borderline psychotic
Link Posted: 9/29/2011 10:24:07 PM EST

Originally Posted By clutchsmoke:
Either it's a ill conceived plan or total incompetence, take your pick, It's just like every other obama scheme

Its incompetent people with ill conceived plans.
Link Posted: 9/29/2011 10:50:50 PM EST

Originally Posted By Storm_Tracker:

Originally Posted By clutchsmoke:
Either it's a ill conceived plan or total incompetence, take your pick, It's just like every other obama scheme

Its incompetent people with ill conceived plans.
Both it is.

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