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Posted: 5/19/2003 9:01:57 PM EDT
[pissed] Some people will try ANYTHING to get out of taking responsibilty for their actions. [pissed] [url]http://www.thescotsman.co.uk/international.cfm?id=568402003[/url] Fans blame murders on The Matrix KAREN MCVEIGH kmcveigh@scotsmn.com ON THE day the much-hyped sci-fi thriller, The Matrix Reloaded, became the most lucrative film in United States history, its makers were forced yesterday to confront the less palatable news that their creation has been linked to a series of murders by obsessive fans. The film’s stars, including Keanu Reeves, Laurence Fishburne and Jada Pinkett-Smith, and Joel Silver, it’s producer, who flew from Cannes to London to promote the blockbuster, looked shocked when asked about the reports. "I haven’t heard of that," said Silver, at a press conference in the East End of London. "I don’t know what links those are. Fifteen million people have seen the movie. It’s a wonderful fantasy story linked to the real world, and I can’t comment on what makes people do what they do." The second part of The Matrix trilogy, The Matrix Reloaded, which opened in the US last week, has received mixed reviews, some of them critical, about its extreme, sanitised aggression. A violent tale of epic battles between men and machines, which traps humans in a computer-simulated world, the movie is famous for blurring the line between fantasy and reality. But in the US, a series of murders carried out by fans of the film suggests that some of them have severe difficulties understanding the difference. Josh Cooke, 19, who lived in Oakton, Virginia, kept a The Matrix poster hanging on his bedroom wall and had a trench-coat like the one worn by Neo, Reeves’s character. The teenager bought a 12-gauge shotgun, similar to one of those used by Neo to shoot "agents", and gunned down his mother, Margaret, 56, and father, Paul, 51, in the basement of his home in February. He then called the police to report the killings. Cooke’s lawyer says he believed he was living inside the "matrix" - the computer-generated virtual world of the film - like Reeves is forced to do in the trilogy. "He’s just obsessed with it," his lawyer, Rachel Fierro, told the Washington Post. In court papers issued to the Fairfax Circuit Court last month, Ms Fierro said that her client "harboured a bone-fide belief that he was living in the virtual reality of the Matrix at the time of the alleged offences". Robert Horan, a local prosecutor, said he did not think the film caused violence. "Millions of people have seen it and not killed anybody," he said. However, The Matrix, written by the Wachowski brothers and inspired by William Gibson, the sci-fi writer, and Geof Darrow, the cult comic-book artist, has emerged as a key influence in several similarly violent crimes. Last week, an woman in Ohio who told police that she lived in the Matrix was found not guilty of killing her landlord on reasons of insanity. Tonda Ansley, 37, said she believed her dreams were not really dreams, but places where "they drug you and take you somewhere else". In a similar case in San Francisco in 2000, a man who said he believed he was inside the Matrix was also found not guilty on reasons of insanity when he killed his landlady. Lee Boyd Malvo, 18, one of the two men accused of taking part in the Washington sniper attacks last year, wrote: "You are a slave to Matrix control", in his jail cell. While expressing their condolences to the victims, Warner Bros Pictures argue there is no connection between the film and the killings. The second instalment of the trilogy, which opens in Britain on Friday, broke US box-office records after taking £83 million in its opening week. It also smashed the opening weekend record for an R-rated film, in which under-17s must be accompanied by an adult. While its dazzling special effects have impressed many, its pseudo-philosophising tone and bewildering plot have left others baffled. When asked by one frustrated journalist the question on everyone’s lips - what are the film’s central themes? - Fishburne, who plays Captain Morpheus, answered: "Who am I, why am I here and what is my purpose? "It’s up to you to go and see the film again and go figure all that s*** out." Films claimed to influence crimes WHILE psychologists insist it is violence on screen rather than a film per se that can cause aggression, a number of films have been associated with violent crimes. Stanley Kubrick withdrew his 1971 film A Clockwork Orange from circulation in the UK after public outcry. Several rapes in the early 70s were linked to the film by the rapists’ rendition of Singing In the Rain - a scene from the movie. Child’s Play 3, about a doll called Chucky, was linked to the 1993 murder of two-year-old James Bulger, when a video of the film was found in the home of one of the perpetrators. It has since been linked to other murders. The Oliver Stone film Natural Born Killers has also been accused of prompting copy-cat killings.
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Link Posted: 5/19/2003 9:19:29 PM EDT
Ban movies? Maybe only 2 Evil movie scenes
Link Posted: 5/19/2003 9:29:33 PM EDT
As usual, blame your actions on someone else. Isn't that sad, that actions like that are a part of the American Society these days. It makes me sick that people cannot take responsibility for thier own actions anymore. Most of the good things about America are getting flushed down the toilet day after day.
Link Posted: 5/19/2003 9:31:37 PM EDT
Buy the Matrix now! Then you can sell your Pre-Ban version for mass profit next year!
Link Posted: 5/19/2003 9:33:11 PM EDT
Killed his parents with a shotgun?? someone want to remind him that the movie was written by the Wachoski brothers... Not the Menendez Brothers!!
Link Posted: 5/19/2003 9:42:37 PM EDT
If you agree that TV and movies can rot your brain, can't you agree that a rotted brain can be programmed by a TV or movie? If you have ever been touched by a character in a movie, or pissed off by a news caster, you can imagine how someone less sophisticated could be misled into acting out an idea learned on the tube. Think about it...
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Link Posted: 5/19/2003 10:45:36 PM EDT
Hey, the banning of violent movies might not be so far off. Germany did it. You can watch all the porn you want on regular TV, but no violence. Considering the US the opposite, porn is not cool on regular TV but violence is, maybe if all the liberal leftists get their way in the future and turn this country into a socialist "paradise"[PUKE] like Germany, they'll make our TV as realistic as the schoolbooks given to kids in Kalifornia.
Link Posted: 5/19/2003 11:39:18 PM EDT
Originally Posted By -Duke-Nukem-: "Similar to one of those used by Neo to gun down agents" Someone please help me remember, I can recall Neo using everything from AR15s to Berettas to Scorpions, but I don't remember him gunning down anything with a 12-gauge "assault shotgun"?
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he picked up a SPAS 12 from one of the agents in the lobby shooting spree but magacly in the next frame it morphed into a m16.
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Food for thought: If we are indeed living in a Matrix, I believe that one of the best items of psychological warfare the computer-controllers could release is a movie that fairly accurately represents how the world really is. That way, if a few people find out, they are immediately branded as crazy for believing in a movie. Makes you wonder.
Link Posted: 5/20/2003 6:14:01 AM EDT
Insane? Yes. It's easy to believe there are people who are a couple fries short of a happy meal. I think if it wasn't for the Matrix, they would've found another movie, book, or game to explain why their lives are all messed up. Back when I was in middle school, there were a couple kids that way deep into playing Dungeons and Dragons. I bet if they were kids today they'd be walking around thinking they're Harry Potter or hobbits or something. Anyways, I think their home lives were all messed up and a fantasy world looked more appealing than the one they were in.
Link Posted: 5/20/2003 6:19:08 AM EDT
So the cure for this guy is simply lock him in a room and play Barney tapes over and over.....since he cannot tell fantasy from reality, he will become one of the "Backyard Gang"....
Link Posted: 5/20/2003 6:25:42 AM EDT
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I understand what's going on. People want to feel special, they want to be the "one". So they get their 15 minutes of fame at the cost of someone else's life, & lie to themselves that they are superior because they have taken the red pill. It's still very sad,& delusional, but not surprising. They knew when giving out shots for disease control that it will make a certain % of those who get it sick, & another % will die from it. Why be surprised that % is out their. It's who they make the Darwins for. Emulating a cool movie isn't uncommon. I know I have bought several different weapons after seeing a movie that used them. Someone here posted that topic a while back. BUT I have never gone out & shot someone with them like they did in the movie. I know whats real, & whats right, & wrong. I don't confuse them. Apperantly that small % off socity is lost in the haze of confussion.
Link Posted: 5/20/2003 6:25:56 AM EDT
I have the cure. Try him, convict him, execute him.
Link Posted: 5/20/2003 6:31:10 AM EDT
maybe its the writers and producers in hollywood subversively promoting communism someone should draw up a report on it! william gibson is a terrorist this is asinine, some people WILL do or say anything to avoid responsibility.
Link Posted: 5/20/2003 6:46:25 AM EDT
I would be interested in seeing their mental health records.
Link Posted: 5/20/2003 6:51:04 AM EDT
Originally Posted By cyrax777:
Originally Posted By -Duke-Nukem-: "Similar to one of those used by Neo to gun down agents" Someone please help me remember, I can recall Neo using everything from AR15s to Berettas to Scorpions, but I don't remember him gunning down anything with a 12-gauge "assault shotgun"?
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he picked up a SPAS 12 from one of the agents in the lobby shooting spree but magacly in the next frame it morphed into a m16.
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I just watch the scene, it was an M16 when he picked it up. I was under the impression that the gaurds in the lobby were using Benellis
Link Posted: 5/20/2003 6:58:26 AM EDT
Originally Posted By DrFrige: Killed his parents with a shotgun?? someone want to remind him that the movie was written by the Wachoski brothers... Not the Menendez Brothers!!
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Link Posted: 5/20/2003 11:04:06 AM EDT
Crazy people will be crazy people. If it weren't for the movie they'd have found some other delusion. If a scene about shooting JBT's inspires you to shoot your own parents, you're already pretty f**ked in the head. Anything could have set him off.
Link Posted: 5/20/2003 11:21:38 AM EDT
So a murderer went on a killing spree with powerful and spectacular Kung Fu fighting and weapon action? I didn't think so....
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I hate to say this, but I tend to agree. Movies and our popular entertainment in general, have gotten A LOT more violent in the past twenty years or so, and the bad guys are a lot more glamourous. The good guys are often far less "good" and far more "gray," and often stomp all over the laws and the little people to get what they want. The violence is also far more graphic, and it does desensitize people to violence, the suffering of others, etc. As far as the influence that popular culture has on people is concerned, many, many, many companies spend LARGE amounts of money hiring celebrities and/or building up tremendous marketing campaigns to sell their products. It works. People see those product ads on TV or product placements in the movies, and their buying decision is influenced, whether they admit it or not. People are influenced by what they see and hear in the popular media. Lets talk about inner city gang violence. It was always there, since the first ghettos and low income urban quarters came into being, the economic and social pressures breed crime and violence out of despair. But in the 1980's gang violence expoded to new depths of brutality and callousness. What happened in that time period? The explosion of rap and gangsta rap music with it's glorification of the gangsta lifestyle. Entire generations of inner city youth have been swallowed up and destroyed by gang culture. All this is NOT IN ANY WAY intended to absolve people of their responsibilities as human beings and Americans (or Britons, Muscovites, etc.) What I am saying is that the media has a huge impact on people who lack either the emotional, moral or intellectual stability to steer their own course properly. While they may have gone wrong anyhow, they go wrong more spectacularly now. But banning this content is not the answer (though I think responsible film makers and television producers should strongly consider toning things down some. The solution is for parents to get in the friggin' game, make some rules and stand on them as if they were the Rock of Gibraltar. The solution is for schools to empower teachers to levy REAL punishments when kids f*ck up. The solution is for the police and courts not to hand out so many free "passes" when kids commit real crimes. The "Anything goes so long as I don't get caught or whine loud enough when I do get caught" methodology must end, or these kids will never learn responsibility. The crazies will still hop up from time to time and kill people along their path to self-destruction, I mean, David Berkowitz claimed his dog "Sam" made him do it. But I think underestimating the impact of the media on these folks, just because we don't like some of the political implications is a serious mistake.
Link Posted: 5/21/2003 9:04:39 AM EDT
In related news, Washington state has banned the sale of violent games to minors, including video games depicting violence against cops. *Groan* [url]http://money.cnn.com/2003/05/20/technology/gaminglaw/index.htm[/url] Wash. bans 'violent' game sales State becomes first in nation to regulate the sale of video games. May 21, 2003: 10:40 AM EDT By Chris Morris, staff writer NEW YORK (CNN/Money) – The state of Washington has become the first in the nation to regulate the sale of video games. Gov. Gary Locke on Monday signed into law a bill banning the sale of certain 'violent' games to anyone under 17. [red]Specifically, the law forbids selling minors any video or computer game depicting violence against law enforcement officials.[/red] Among the titles affected are industry best sellers "Grand Theft Auto 3" and "Grand Theft Auto: Vice City", both published by Take Two Interactive (TTWO: Research, Estimates). Presumably, Atari's (ATAR: Research, Estimates) $30 million "Enter the Matrix", which hit store shelves last Thursday, would also be off limits to its core audience. That title earned only a "Teen" rating, since it is not graphically violent, though police officers are in-game enemies. Retail employees who sell these games to minors are subject to fines of up to $500. The Interactive Digital Software Association (the gaming industry trade group) denounced the bill, calling it unconstitutional and announced plans to file a lawsuit, which it hopes will prevent the law from being enforced. "We're confident that our position will be affirmed in court," said Doug Lowenstein, president of the IDSA. "At a time when the state faces a massive budget deficit, it is unfortunate that taxpayers and parents will see critical funds diverted to defend a bill which is patently unconstitutional. In January 2002 in a similar case, the City of Indianapolis spent $700,000 covering its own and the arcade industry's attorneys' fees on a bill which was unanimously ruled unconstitutional by the U.S. Court of Appeals for the Seventh Circuit." The IDSA said it expected others to join the lawsuit shortly. Others in the gaming industry voiced opposition to the bill. "Games are art," said Jason Della Rocca, Program Director of The International Game Developer Association. "Games should be afforded the same sort of protection and respect as other forms of speech." While cities and counties have signed laws regulating the $10.3 billion video game before, Washington is the first to do so on a statewide level. (Similar bills in other states have always died in committee.) Though the IDSA was successful in defeating the Indianapolis law regulating arcades, it has thus far failed in its attempt to overthrow a ruling in St. Louis (county), Mo which said violent or sexually explicit video games are not constitutionally protected forms of speech. That case is currently under appeal. Meanwhile, other regulation bills are in the works. The largest of these is in Washington, D.C., where Sen. Joe Baca, D.-Calif., has reintroduced his "Protect Children from Video Game Sex and Violence Act". The bill would make it a federal crime to sell or rent "adult video games" to minors – with proposed fines of $5,000 or more. Re-introduced to the House on Feb. 11, the bill is currently in the Subcommittee on Crime, Terrorism, and Homeland Security. The 2002 bill of the same name died in that committee.
Link Posted: 5/21/2003 9:16:58 AM EDT
Some people's minds are SOOOO weak and impressionable. Why aren't you rich because of it? Heheh
Link Posted: 5/21/2003 9:35:06 AM EDT
I vote for termination.
Link Posted: 5/21/2003 11:08:25 AM EDT
You guys DO know what's going on here don't you?? These are all people who have spent their whole lives wearing no tin-foil hat. First hat they tried was made from the "Extreme Heavy duty New Improved" Foil. Everybody knows, ya gotta start with the cheap generic thin stuff, and work your way up!![:D] These people literally went violently insane from the sudden "Reality overload" from the "Extreme Heavy duty New Improved" Foil. Amateurs.............[snoopy]
Link Posted: 5/21/2003 11:52:07 AM EDT
Originally Posted By PhatForrest: As usual, blame your actions on someone else. Isn't that sad, that actions like that are a part of the American Society these days. It makes me sick that people cannot take responsibility for thier own actions anymore. Most of the good things about America are getting flushed down the toilet day after day.
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I agree. Blaming movies for murders and firearms manufacturers for gun violence makes as much sense as blaming libertarians for republican failures.
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