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Posted: 9/3/2013 12:12:48 PM EDT
[Last Edit: 9/5/2013 10:51:48 AM EDT by Timco]
Is it just me, or have I never seen F-16's on a carrier? Why?

Are the F-15 (always a favorite) and F-14 comparable in what they can carry? Both are still in use?

Was the F-4 the biggest leap in jet technology?

ETA...title edit, it's been a looong week.
Link Posted: 9/3/2013 12:22:21 PM EDT
Originally Posted By Timco:
Is it just me, or have I never seen F-16's on a carrier? Why?
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Every carrier landing is a controlled crash. The landing gear on naval aircraft are extremely robust. The USAF can use more fragile gear that would not withstand a carrier landing.  

Are the F-15 (always a favorite) and F-14 comparable in what they can carry? Both are still in use?
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F-14s were retired a few years ago. :(  Beautiful aircraft. They don't carry anything any more. I believe the Strike Eagle can carry a great deal more than prior versions. look it up. Remember that the F-16 is primarily a bomb truck and the F-15 is air superiority as far as intended mission profiles go.

Was the F-4 the biggest leap in jet technology?
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Difficult question to answer. I would say the Horten 229 or the Me 262 were the big jumps, personally. Especially the Horten.
Link Posted: 9/3/2013 12:32:28 PM EDT
With inverted flight tanks, can you really not do a negative G pushover?

Link Posted: 9/3/2013 12:41:04 PM EDT
Please describe what it's like being the pilot breaking the sound barrier.

What's the single, most badass weapon a jet can carry?
Link Posted: 9/3/2013 12:44:28 PM EDT
What's the minimum speed needed to take off? Can they glide at all?
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Originally Posted By Timco:
Please describe what it's like being the pilot breaking the sound barrier.

What's the single, most badass weapon a jet can carry?
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There's a story somewhere about pilots flying the F-86, which would go Mach in a dive, diving on a live radio broadcast station so they could hear their sonic booms on their cockpit radio which was tuned to the station. Higher ups eventually put an end to that antic.
Link Posted: 9/3/2013 12:48:16 PM EDT
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Originally Posted By Timco:


What's the single, most badass weapon a jet can carry?
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That is a simple answer




Link Posted: 9/3/2013 12:51:26 PM EDT
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The F-4 was evolutionary, not revolutionary.  See F-101 and F3H Demon.

The AIR-2A Genie was the most bad-ass fighter weapon ever.
Link Posted: 9/3/2013 12:53:27 PM EDT
When reaching mach, there is no noticeable event that takes place aside from your airspeed indicator changing its numbers.
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Originally Posted By RobtheBobb:

Every carrier landing is a controlled crash. The landing gear on naval aircraft are extremely robust. The USAF can use more fragile gear that would not withstand a carrier landing.  


F-14s were retired a few years ago. :(  Beautiful aircraft. They don't carry anything any more. I believe the Strike Eagle can carry a great deal more than prior versions. look it up. Remember that the F-16 is primarily a bomb truck and the F-15 is air superiority as far as intended mission profiles go.



Difficult question to answer. I would say the Horten 229 or the Me 262 were the big jumps, personally. Especially the Horten.
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Originally Posted By RobtheBobb:
Originally Posted By Timco:
Is it just me, or have I never seen F-16's on a carrier? Why?

Every carrier landing is a controlled crash. The landing gear on naval aircraft are extremely robust. The USAF can use more fragile gear that would not withstand a carrier landing.  

Are the F-15 (always a favorite) and F-14 comparable in what they can carry? Both are still in use?

F-14s were retired a few years ago. :(  Beautiful aircraft. They don't carry anything any more. I believe the Strike Eagle can carry a great deal more than prior versions. look it up. Remember that the F-16 is primarily a bomb truck and the F-15 is air superiority as far as intended mission profiles go.

Was the F-4 the biggest leap in jet technology?


Difficult question to answer. I would say the Horten 229 or the Me 262 were the big jumps, personally. Especially the Horten.


When F-15s got grounded in the 90's it was the vipers that went up to do air-to-air work. The F-16 is not a bomb truck. The strike eagle fits that profile more than the F-16 does.
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Originally Posted By Timco:
What's the minimum speed needed to take off? Can they glide at all?
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Depends on the aircraft.....  Also, all aircraft have SOME sort of glide ratio, some much better than others.
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Originally Posted By Timco:


What's the minimum speed needed to take off? Can they glide at all?
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Depends. Yes, they can glide.

 
Link Posted: 9/3/2013 12:55:23 PM EDT
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Originally Posted By Shaffer:


That is a simple answer

http://farm7.staticflickr.com/6062/6135797999_4f99b9479c_z.jpg

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Originally Posted By Shaffer:
Originally Posted By Timco:


What's the single, most badass weapon a jet can carry?


That is a simple answer

http://farm7.staticflickr.com/6062/6135797999_4f99b9479c_z.jpg



I would've said this:

Link Posted: 9/3/2013 12:56:42 PM EDT
I personally would have gone with the ASM-135...but I guess thats just me.
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Originally Posted By Bushamster21:


When F-15s got grounded in the 90's it was the vipers that went up to do air-to-air work. The F-16 is not a bomb truck. The strike eagle fits that profile more than the F-16 does.
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Originally Posted By Bushamster21:
Originally Posted By RobtheBobb:
Originally Posted By Timco:
Is it just me, or have I never seen F-16's on a carrier? Why?

Every carrier landing is a controlled crash. The landing gear on naval aircraft are extremely robust. The USAF can use more fragile gear that would not withstand a carrier landing.  

Are the F-15 (always a favorite) and F-14 comparable in what they can carry? Both are still in use?

F-14s were retired a few years ago. :(  Beautiful aircraft. They don't carry anything any more. I believe the Strike Eagle can carry a great deal more than prior versions. look it up. Remember that the F-16 is primarily a bomb truck and the F-15 is air superiority as far as intended mission profiles go.

Was the F-4 the biggest leap in jet technology?


Difficult question to answer. I would say the Horten 229 or the Me 262 were the big jumps, personally. Especially the Horten.


When F-15s got grounded in the 90's it was the vipers that went up to do air-to-air work. The F-16 is not a bomb truck. The strike eagle fits that profile more than the F-16 does.


Yep, the A,C and D models (15s)  were/are air to air, with the Es being tasked to ground and pound. We had Block 32 F-16s and they did well as A/A.
Link Posted: 9/3/2013 1:02:43 PM EDT
You cannot call them the F series...you might be referring to the 100 series F100, F101, F102, F104, F105, F106.

The F100 was the first supersonic fighter in the Air Force. It was a leap in technology. The F4 was proof you can make a brick fly if you put big ass jets on it.

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Originally Posted By EDDIECRUM:
You cannot call them the F series...you might be referring to the 100 series F100, F101, F102, F104, F105, F106.

The F100 was the first supersonic fighter in the Air Force. It was a leap in technology. The F4 was proof you can make a brick fly if you put big ass jets on it.

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aka, the Century series. Beautiful jets, all.
Link Posted: 9/3/2013 1:07:42 PM EDT
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Originally Posted By Brohawk:
The "F" isn't series, it's Mission.

Mission, Design, Series.

Example: F-4D

Mission: F (Fighter)
Design: 4
Series: D (fourth iteration resulting from changes to the design)

Just trying to help.  
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Type-Model-Series
Link Posted: 9/3/2013 1:09:23 PM EDT
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Originally Posted By Timco:
What's the minimum speed needed to take off? Can they glide at all?
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Depends if it's on a treadmill.
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Ahhhhhh, canned sunshine!
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Originally Posted By Timco:
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Stall on Naval aircraft is lower than ground based. Nobody posts stall data for good reason. Rocks glide They have a definate arc, but they glide.
Link Posted: 9/3/2013 1:12:12 PM EDT
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Originally Posted By Timco:
Please describe what it's like being the pilot breaking the sound barrier.

What's the single, most badass weapon a jet can carry?
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A B-61 thermonuclear weapon.
Link Posted: 9/3/2013 1:14:41 PM EDT
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Originally Posted By Timco:
Please describe what it's like being the pilot breaking the sound barrier.

What's the single, most badass weapon a jet can carry?
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I broke the sound barrier in a 1957 C182 in a decent on a busy day flying at a drop zone.
Link Posted: 9/3/2013 1:30:31 PM EDT
Originally Posted By Timco:
Is it just me, or have I never seen F-16's on a carrier? Why?

Are the F-15 (always a favorite) and F-14 comparable in what they can carry? Both are still in use?

Was the F-4 the biggest leap in jet technology?
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Aside from the very first jets that were introduced being a major leap in overall aircraft technology, I have to say the biggest leap in jet aircraft technology is undoubtedly the SR-71.  

The SR-71 design concept is now a 50+ year old design that has not yet been exceeded in many aspects of its performance.  Realize that contemporaries of the SR-71 entering service were planes like the F-106 and F-4.  Planes that were far outperformed by the Blackbird in it's intended role; high altitude, high speed flight.  The marriage of the engines and airframe of the Blackbird produced a truly revolutionary aircraft compared to all that came before it.

It is only rumor that aircraft that can outperform the Blackbird in high altitude, high speed even exist today.  The YF-23 was rumored to be able to fly as fast as the published figures for the SR.  And the Aurora hypersonic aircraft is still only an unproven rumor over two decades after it started being talked about.

An aircraft that establishes that sort of record only twenty years after the beginning of the Jet Age is nothing less than revolutionary.
Link Posted: 9/3/2013 1:33:19 PM EDT
B57
Interesting little program they have when you get fingered to be on a load team.
Link Posted: 9/3/2013 1:35:48 PM EDT
Of fighters with the 'F' designation, I'd say the F86 was the greatest leap of tech.

Jet engine, swept wing, later marks had radar and guided missiles.  Capable of going supersonic in a dive.  The F86H saw combat against later designs and showed well for itself.
Link Posted: 9/3/2013 1:49:19 PM EDT
Remember the F106?

In 1959 one of them set the single engine speed record for a jet aircraft - which stands to this day.  

The good part was they  took two planes (primary and a back up) and spend a lot of time setting the primary up to fly for the record.  Morning of the attempt the primary developed problems and the pilot used the back up (which had not had the time/effort put into it the primary had) and set the record anyway.  

Think about that.  Since 1959 no single engine jet aircraft has flown faster.
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Originally Posted By M1A4ME:
Remember the F106?

In 1959 one of them set the single engine speed record for a jet aircraft - which stands to this day.  

The good part was they  took two planes (primary and a back up) and spend a lot of time setting the primary up to fly for the record.  Morning of the attempt the primary developed problems and the pilot used the back up (which had not had the time/effort put into it the primary had) and set the record anyway.  

Think about that.  Since 1959 no single engine jet aircraft has flown faster.
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IIRC, that plane was an early version of the plane with an earlier wing design that was not as fast as later versions of the "A" model. The two-seat "B" model was even faster than the "A" due to its extra length enhancing the plane's "area ruling".
Link Posted: 9/4/2013 2:25:09 AM EDT
Yet another EPIC gd thread. I am beginning to love this website.
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Originally Posted By Brohawk:


DoD/USAF uses MDS designations.
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Originally Posted By Brohawk:
Originally Posted By dport:
Originally Posted By Brohawk:
The "F" isn't series, it's Mission.

Mission, Design, Series.

Example: F-4D

Mission: F (Fighter)
Design: 4
Series: D (fourth iteration resulting from changes to the design)

Just trying to help.  

Type-Model-Series


DoD/USAF uses MDS designations.

USAF uses MDS DoN uses TMS
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Originally Posted By Mass-Length-Time:


I would've said this:

http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/4/49/B-83_nuclear_weapon.jpg
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Originally Posted By Mass-Length-Time:
Originally Posted By Shaffer:
Originally Posted By Timco:


What's the single, most badass weapon a jet can carry?


That is a simple answer

http://farm7.staticflickr.com/6062/6135797999_4f99b9479c_z.jpg



I would've said this:

http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/4/49/B-83_nuclear_weapon.jpg


Both wrong.

The B-53 in the back right corner of the original pic for the win.

9MT


Link Posted: 9/4/2013 3:22:23 AM EDT
Why were the F-111 and F-117 given "F" designations and not "As?"
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IN
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Originally Posted By bmick325:


Both wrong.

The B-53 in the back right corner of the original pic for the win.

9MT

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Originally Posted By bmick325:
Originally Posted By Mass-Length-Time:
Originally Posted By Shaffer:
Originally Posted By Timco:


What's the single, most badass weapon a jet can carry?


That is a simple answer

http://farm7.staticflickr.com/6062/6135797999_4f99b9479c_z.jpg



I would've said this:

http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/4/49/B-83_nuclear_weapon.jpg


Both wrong.

The B-53 in the back right corner of the original pic for the win.

9MT



What F-mission/type was certified to carry the B-53?

ETA:  Ah, I see Timco relaxed his qualification to just "a jet" not fighter.  9MT good!
Link Posted: 9/4/2013 3:49:21 AM EDT
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Originally Posted By ReconB4:


I broke the sound barrier in a 1957 C182 in a decent on a busy day flying at a drop zone.
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Originally Posted By ReconB4:
Originally Posted By Timco:
Please describe what it's like being the pilot breaking the sound barrier.

What's the single, most badass weapon a jet can carry?


I broke the sound barrier in a 1957 C182 in a decent on a busy day flying at a drop zone.


Gotta love that big Continental O470.
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Originally Posted By Timco:
Is it just me, or have I never seen F-16's on a carrier? Why?
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Because the F-16 is an Air Force bird, not a USN bird.
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Originally Posted By Brohawk:


Because the powers that be think the "F" designation is sexier.

The F-117 was our 1st Gen stealth, but has no air-to-air capability that I'm aware of.
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Originally Posted By Brohawk:
Originally Posted By Tolip:
Why were the F-111 and F-117 given "F" designations and not "As?"


Because the powers that be think the "F" designation is sexier.

The F-117 was our 1st Gen stealth, but has no air-to-air capability that I'm aware of.

I was under the impression F-117's were capable of carrying the AIM-9.
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I have no direct experience with the F-117 like I do with some other aircraft...but I was under the impression that it had NO air-to-air capability. It's only defense was it's LO.
Link Posted: 9/4/2013 8:02:18 AM EDT
I think the F-104 was what set the standard.
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Originally Posted By HostisHumaniGeneris:


Because the F-16 is an Air Force bird, not a USN bird.
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Originally Posted By HostisHumaniGeneris:
Originally Posted By Timco:
Is it just me, or have I never seen F-16's on a carrier? Why?


Because the F-16 is an Air Force bird, not a USN bird.


Not entirely true.

The USN operates them out of NAS Fallon as aggressors.
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The real reason is that their cute little landing gear would get pushed up into the engine after a moderately rough trap.
 



Does the F-16 have an arresting hook like the F-15 or does it rely on nets for field arresting?
Link Posted: 9/4/2013 8:11:13 AM EDT
Why were we building f15s f16s and f18s at the same time?

Why not one or two of them?

Navy isn't sufficient for f18 as there are many land based ones too
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Originally Posted By SethP:
Why were we building f15s f16s and f18s at the same time?

Why not one or two of them?

Navy isn't sufficient for f18 as there are many land based ones too
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Long story short.

F-15 was the winner of the USAF F-X program. Many thought it was to big for a dogfighter and to expensive to procure a shit ton of them

That led to the lightweight fighter program. The YF-16 and YF-17 were designed for that program.

In the end, the USAF picked the YF-16 as the winner. The USN didn't really want a single engine jet. So they chose the YF-17. It got modified and is now the F-18
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Originally Posted By Neppo1345:
The real reason is that their cute little landing gear would get pushed up into the engine after a moderately rough trap.  

Does the F-16 have an arresting hook like the F-15 or does it rely on nets for field arresting?
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They both have arresting hooks. That's how we keep them strapped down during ground maintenance augmentation (afterburner) runs.

Not built to withstand the constant pounding of a carrier landing, but they have them. The F-16's tailhook looks like one long leafspring however.

Doing RH augmentor ignition check for an aumentor fault. Those things fire at like 15-30 sparks per second. Tailhook is clearly visible.

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