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Posted: 9/20/2005 11:14:58 AM EDT
Air force mulls strike options



The US Air Force is expected to launch an analysis of alternatives on long-range strike options next month.

Northrop Grumman formally debuted a model and concept drawing of its proposed F/B-23 – a bomber variant of the YF-23 prototype that lost the air force’s Advanced Tactical Fighter competition in the early 1990s – at the Air Force Association convention.

SOURCE:Flight International

Link Posted: 9/20/2005 11:16:01 AM EDT
Does it have iPod integration?
Link Posted: 9/20/2005 11:27:48 AM EDT
It does look similar but the entire fuselage is new. Might as well give it a new designator. Or are we trying to convience congress it already flew two prototypes??

Looks bad ass, longer forward area and slightly humped/bulged back. Would be a great replacement for F-117's in strike role.

F/A-22s
F/B-23s
F-35s

Now we need to build more B-1's or B-2's and we are set!
Link Posted: 9/20/2005 11:30:11 AM EDT



That would be awesome

I hope congress will fund it

Link Posted: 9/20/2005 11:30:55 AM EDT
That is one bad ass looking plane. I swear it looks like the Centurion from the old and very good computer game, Privateer.
Link Posted: 9/20/2005 11:35:55 AM EDT

Originally Posted By Alien:
That is one bad ass looking plane. I swear it looks like the Centurion from the old and very good computer game, Privateer.



best... game... ever...

Link Posted: 9/20/2005 11:37:07 AM EDT

Originally Posted By ClayP:
Does it have iPod integration?


Only on the F-23I version.
Link Posted: 9/20/2005 11:51:13 AM EDT
[Last Edit: 9/20/2005 11:53:27 AM EDT by Mattl]
What happened to the FB-22? Not the FA-22, the FB-22 that was supposedly being tested as a supersonic strike bomber.





Here is the YF-23 prototype fighter

Link Posted: 9/20/2005 11:58:06 AM EDT
Pipe dream… the F-22 and F-35 are barely surviving budget cut this thing ain’t got a chance in hell.
Link Posted: 9/20/2005 12:24:39 PM EDT
Ok, one..two, yup, both fans are here.

What do you want them to "unite" for?
Link Posted: 9/20/2005 12:28:05 PM EDT
I think the Marines need that money more than the AF does.
Link Posted: 9/20/2005 12:29:29 PM EDT

Originally Posted By Mattl:
What happened to the FB-22? Not the FA-22, the FB-22 that was supposedly being tested as a supersonic strike bomber.




It's still in the running, as is Boeing's B-1R, blended wing bomber, etc. This is just Northrop-Grummans
entry for competition. FB-22 is still a "paper" plane, as is the F/B-23 RTA. FB-22 has not been tested. IIRC the two F-23's that were in sotrage and on display were "recalled" by North-Grumm last year. Things that make you go hmmmmmm?
Link Posted: 9/20/2005 12:32:13 PM EDT

Originally Posted By CITADELGRAD87:
Ok, one..two, yup, both fans are here.

What do you want them to "unite" for?



It s'posed to be a catchy title, not literal. Give it time there will be plenty of fans of the plane peeking in. However it will not be as many as Super-Hornet haters.
Link Posted: 9/20/2005 1:16:43 PM EDT
[Last Edit: 9/20/2005 1:17:10 PM EDT by yzl337]

Originally Posted By Max_Mike:
Pipe dream… the F-22 and F-35 are barely surviving budget cut this thing ain’t got a chance in hell.



+1 the shortsighted attitude in the govt toward airpower is just amazing
Link Posted: 9/20/2005 1:17:46 PM EDT
I love the YF-23.

Link Posted: 9/20/2005 1:26:37 PM EDT
[Last Edit: 9/20/2005 1:27:28 PM EDT by Slick44Magnum]
But will it be better than the original? .

P-61 Black Widow Night Fighter
Link Posted: 9/20/2005 1:35:48 PM EDT
That is one bad ass looking aircraft, much better looking than the FB-22 concept.
Link Posted: 9/20/2005 1:48:07 PM EDT

Originally Posted By Slick44Magnum:
But will it be better than the original? .
www.aviationart.homestead.com/files/P_61BlackWidow72.jpg
P-61 Black Widow Night Fighter



If it ever exists in an operational capacity it will be on a different scale for its time. P-61 looks like a modded B-24.
Link Posted: 9/20/2005 7:50:04 PM EDT
F/B 23 seems like a really good idea - 1st let's get squadrons of F-22's and F-35's online -- then we can consider an f-117 replacement like the kick ass F/B-23 or even the F/B-22 projects.
Link Posted: 9/20/2005 7:52:52 PM EDT
I like it.

As long as we get real numbers of them, and the F-22, and the F-35.
Link Posted: 9/21/2005 5:52:43 AM EDT
[Last Edit: 9/21/2005 5:53:43 AM EDT by Charging_Handle]
The way they stretched the old F-23 fuselage out, I bet that thing could carry a fair amount of ordnance.

BTW, does anyone have an artist's rendering of what the B-1R concept may look like? I've never seen one yet.
Link Posted: 9/21/2005 6:10:31 AM EDT
[Last Edit: 9/21/2005 6:13:11 AM EDT by 2A373]

Originally Posted By Mattl:
P-61 looks like a modded B-24.



You might want to have your vision checked.
Link Posted: 9/21/2005 6:17:28 AM EDT

Originally Posted By Mattl:
P-61 looks like a modded B-24.



Nah. Far from it.

Speaking of orginals, and since I don't get cable, I've heard there were two intact p-61s found in Europe?

Also, what are the two Sreial Numbers of the YF-23s?
Link Posted: 9/21/2005 6:19:01 AM EDT
"Aircraft shall have iPOD integration. iPOD integration shall allow no less than 256MB of storage space for MP3s."

Link Posted: 9/21/2005 6:23:54 AM EDT
I always thought the F-23 was the better plane anyway.
Link Posted: 9/21/2005 6:57:07 AM EDT

Originally Posted By Charging_Handle:
The way they stretched the old F-23 fuselage out, I bet that thing could carry a fair amount of ordnance.

BTW, does anyone have an artist's rendering of what the B-1R concept may look like? I've never seen one yet.



+1 for concept images. I wasn't aware of the new B-1 as having a "blended wing". Sounds interesting. Only thing I'd heard was something about replacing the B-1s engines with the same engines that the F/A-22 uses.

Link Posted: 9/21/2005 7:10:18 AM EDT

Originally Posted By XeroSygnal:

Originally Posted By Charging_Handle:
The way they stretched the old F-23 fuselage out, I bet that thing could carry a fair amount of ordnance.

BTW, does anyone have an artist's rendering of what the B-1R concept may look like? I've never seen one yet.



+1 for concept images. I wasn't aware of the new B-1 as having a "blended wing". Sounds interesting. Only thing I'd heard was something about replacing the B-1s engines with the same engines that the F/A-22 uses.



No blended wing for the B-1. Boeing has another entry that looks like a flying wing called the blended wing bomber. Here is a concept pic of the BWB(tanker version).

Link Posted: 9/21/2005 7:25:08 AM EDT
Yeah, sounds like the B-1R won't have a blended wing. Here's Boeing's entries for the new interim bomber:


# Boeing. The director of global strike integration, Rich Parke, noted that his company had submitted six proposals. These included a Prompt Global Strike Missile using decommissioned ICBMs; an X-45D direct-attack unmanned combat air vehicle with increased range and payload; a blended wing body arsenal ship aircraft that could hold 96 cruise missiles; and a “B-1R” bomber. Parke said the B-1R (R stands for “regional”) would be a Lancer with advanced radars, air-to-air missiles, and F/A-22 engines. Its new top speed—Mach 2.2—would be purchased at the price of a 20 percent reduction of the B-1B’s combat range.


That must be where the "blended wing" thing came from. That's actually an entirely new design.

But a B-1B with F-22 engines that could fly at Mach 2.2 would be a bitching hot aircraft!
Link Posted: 9/21/2005 1:26:12 PM EDT

Originally Posted By Charging_Handle:
Yeah, sounds like the B-1R won't have a blended wing. Here's Boeing's entries for the new interim bomber:


# Boeing. The director of global strike integration, Rich Parke, noted that his company had submitted six proposals. These included a Prompt Global Strike Missile using decommissioned ICBMs; an X-45D direct-attack unmanned combat air vehicle with increased range and payload; a blended wing body arsenal ship aircraft that could hold 96 cruise missiles; and a “B-1R” bomber. Parke said the B-1R (R stands for “regional”) would be a Lancer with advanced radars, air-to-air missiles, and F/A-22 engines. Its new top speed—Mach 2.2—would be purchased at the price of a 20 percent reduction of the B-1B’s combat range.


That must be where the "blended wing" thing came from. That's actually an entirely new design.

But a B-1B with F-22 engines that could fly at Mach 2.2 would be a bitching hot aircraft!




Yeah, I had just seen "blended wing" in an earlier post.

"advanced radars, ait-to-air missiles, and F/A-22 engines" sounds like something out of a Dale Brown novel. I just finished one of his books where they had modified B-1s carrying air-to-air missiles, anti-balistic missile missiles, and cruise missiles. The idea was to have the B-1s penetrate an enemy's airspace and shoot down ballistic missiles in the boost phase and then attack the launchers with the cruise missiles.

Link Posted: 9/21/2005 1:29:10 PM EDT
I liked the F-23 but damn that thing was WAAAAAAYYYYYY too big.
Link Posted: 9/21/2005 1:40:51 PM EDT

Originally Posted By ArmedAggie:
I liked the F-23 but damn that thing was WAAAAAAYYYYYY too big.



Not that big.

Link Posted: 9/21/2005 1:41:21 PM EDT
Only one was recalled, it was painted up and used as a prop for Northrup-Grummans anniversary.
It is supposed to be returned to the Hawthorne, Ca Western Museum of Flight in 2006.

The other YF-23 is still at Wright-Patterson.



Originally Posted By COLE-CARBINE:
IIRC the two F-23's that were in sotrage and on display were "recalled" by North-Grumm last year. Things that make you go hmmmmmm?

Link Posted: 9/22/2005 1:25:41 PM EDT
Air Force To Begin Long-Range Strike Study In October
09/22/2005 10:11:05 AM
By Marc Selinger

A study of options to modernize the U.S. Air Force's long-range strike capabilities is scheduled to begin next month, according to a spokeswoman at Air Combat Command.

The study, or analysis of alternatives (AOA), is expected to last a year.

Several contractors have been exploring long-range strike concepts that could undergo further review as part of the AOA. Northrop Grumman, for instance, has been looking at ideas to upgrade the B-2 bomber, develop missiles and unmanned combat aircraft, and modify the YF-23, which lost an Air Force fighter competition to Lockheed Martin's YF-22, said Gene Fraser, vice president of long-range strike integrated systems at Northrop Grumman.

The Air Force wants to start fielding new capabilities in about 2018, but it is unclear whether it will be able to afford to develop them amid growing federal budget constraints.

Aviation Week.
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