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Posted: 5/20/2005 9:01:25 PM EST
on Modern Marvels now, rerun but still cool
Link Posted: 5/20/2005 9:33:25 PM EST
Link Posted: 5/20/2005 9:34:29 PM EST

Originally Posted By gmtmaster:



Whoa, a plane covered in MARPAT!
Link Posted: 5/20/2005 9:34:55 PM EST
Who cares....ITS AN UGLY FUCKING PLANE!!!


Thats right: I SAID IT!!!
Link Posted: 5/20/2005 9:40:37 PM EST

Originally Posted By DrFrige:
Who cares....ITS AN UGLY FUCKING PLANE!!!


Thats right: I SAID IT!!!



!!!!
BLASPHEMY!!!!
Link Posted: 5/20/2005 9:41:59 PM EST
DrFridge, you call this ugly?


hi-res link


hi-res link


hi-res link

Link Posted: 5/20/2005 9:46:28 PM EST
[Last Edit: 5/20/2005 9:50:07 PM EST by NYPatriot]
Now this is a fine looking bird of prey...




Link Posted: 5/20/2005 9:54:35 PM EST

Originally Posted By NYPatriot:
Now this is a fine looking bird of prey...


img278.echo.cx/img278/2598/yf23227ye.jpg

img278.echo.cx/img278/9255/yf2372it.jpg



The YF-23 was a pretty plane too... I kind of wish the USA could have got both. I'm happy with getting at least the F/A-22, Lockheed did an outstanding job.
Link Posted: 5/20/2005 10:02:47 PM EST
[Last Edit: 5/20/2005 10:03:33 PM EST by NYPatriot]

The YF-23 was a pretty plane too... I kind of wish the USA could have got both. I'm happy with getting at least the F/A-22, Lockheed did an outstanding job.



IIRC, there has been some talk of resurrecting the F-23 program & building them as strike fighters. I hope this comes to fruition, because it's a great design & it deserves to fly in protection of our freedom.
Link Posted: 5/20/2005 10:09:21 PM EST

Originally Posted By NYPatriot:

The YF-23 was a pretty plane too... I kind of wish the USA could have got both. I'm happy with getting at least the F/A-22, Lockheed did an outstanding job.



IIRC, there has been some talk of resurrecting the F-23 program & building them as strike fighters. I hope this comes to fruition, because it's a great design & it deserves to fly in protection of our freedom.



Ain't the archive search great!

archive.ar15.com/forums/topic.html?b=1&f=5&t=256589
Link Posted: 5/20/2005 10:13:28 PM EST

Originally Posted By 2A373:
DrFridge, you call this ugly?






WHY YES I AM!!!

THESE HERE are SEXY planes:





Link Posted: 5/20/2005 10:15:44 PM EST
A BOAT!!!!......with WINGS!!!



Link Posted: 5/21/2005 9:43:10 AM EST
Does anyone have the photo posted a few months ago of an F-22 taking off from Boeing Field? The plane was caught from behind and to its right, and had a beautiful double tail of fire showing the patterns of shockwaves in the exhaust.

It was off Airliners.net, but is no longer on that site as far as I can find. I screwed up and only saved it on my work computer, and am no longer at that job.
Link Posted: 5/21/2005 12:59:11 PM EST
I think the F-22 will be a wonderful thing - especially in th near future when we have to deal with Korea and CHINA.

That having been said, I was more a fan of the YF-23 than the F-22. I guess they were pretty close, but my understanding is that the YF-23 was more powerful and faster. And it looked cooler.

I'm sure someone more knowledgeable will come along shortly and correct me.

Anyone have pics of the YF-23??????
Link Posted: 5/21/2005 1:05:16 PM EST

Originally Posted By 2A373:
DrFridge, you call this ugly?

img.photobucket.com/albums/v391/2A373/050512-F-2295B-280.jpg
hi-res link




Thanks for the new wallpaper
Link Posted: 5/21/2005 1:10:08 PM EST

Originally Posted By DrFrige:

Originally Posted By 2A373:
DrFridge, you call this ugly?

www.af.mil/media/photodb/photos/050512-F-2295B-280.jpg]hi-res link




WHY YES I AM!!!

THESE HERE are SEXY planes:



Sexy targets.
Link Posted: 5/21/2005 1:17:35 PM EST
Whats this business about the Raptor being able to take on four F-15's at one time in a dog fight and taking them all out?

All of the pilots who flew the F-15 said they never even saw the F-22.

If it is the best plane, why do so many here hate it?
Link Posted: 5/21/2005 1:39:54 PM EST

Originally Posted By MillerSHO:
If it is the best plane, why do so many here hate it?



The same reason why Colt A15 owners hate Bushmaster/Armalite/Olympic/Rock River......
Link Posted: 5/21/2005 1:48:00 PM EST
I'd give anything to be a F-22 pilot! Those things are works of art!!!

Loved that MM too, good info. MM usually does a good job with their documentries.

I like the F-15...but the F22 is...
Link Posted: 5/21/2005 1:48:22 PM EST
HEY DrFrige!
Where's the Wright Flyer? If your gonna post pic of outdated stuff....
Link Posted: 5/21/2005 1:49:10 PM EST
Whats this business about the Raptor being able to take on four F-15's at one time in a dog fight and taking them all out?

All of the pilots who flew the F-15 said they never even saw the F-22.

If it is the best plane, why do so many here hate it?


That seems to be the rumor. And at Langley AFB it has supposedly been able to take more than four. Never seen anything solid to prove it though. I've never heard any of our pilots say they've gotten the upper hand on the Raptor.

I have to agree with DrFrige though. It's an ugly jet and I hate working on it. I'd rather work the F-15 any day. Whick would I rather have if I were a pilot is a different story. But to be a maintainer on this jet is no fun!
Link Posted: 5/21/2005 2:04:18 PM EST
What's your MOS?


Originally Posted By Camaroman:
It's an ugly jet and I hate working on it. I'd rather work the F-15 any day. Whick would I rather have if I were a pilot is a different story. But to be a maintainer on this jet is no fun!

Link Posted: 5/21/2005 2:07:50 PM EST
[Last Edit: 5/21/2005 2:08:08 PM EST by DK-Prof]
It's nice, but it's no SuperHornet.



Link Posted: 5/21/2005 2:10:52 PM EST

Originally Posted By Camaroman:
Whats this business about the Raptor being able to take on four F-15's at one time in a dog fight and taking them all out?

All of the pilots who flew the F-15 said they never even saw the F-22.

If it is the best plane, why do so many here hate it?


That seems to be the rumor. And at Langley AFB it has supposedly been able to take more than four. Never seen anything solid to prove it though. I've never heard any of our pilots say they've gotten the upper hand on the Raptor.

I have to agree with DrFrige though. It's an ugly jet and I hate working on it. I'd rather work the F-15 any day. Whick would I rather have if I were a pilot is a different story. But to be a maintainer on this jet is no fun!



That was an actual military exercise...actually happen. So yes, MM is telling the truth

Like it or not, that happens a lot here. Planes...rifles...*cough* XM8 *cough* XM8 *cough*
Link Posted: 5/21/2005 2:11:12 PM EST

I hate working on it. I'd rather work the F-15 any day. Whick would I rather have if I were a pilot is a different story. But to be a maintainer on this jet is no fun!


Damn...if its worse maintenance wise than the F-15, then it must really friggin suck. I hated every minute of working on the F-15's, it wasn't much better than the F-4's...only good thing about working on the F-4's was the location I was at...Philippines

Link Posted: 5/21/2005 2:13:31 PM EST

Originally Posted By KA3B:
What's your MOS?


Originally Posted By Camaroman:
It's an ugly jet and I hate working on it. I'd rather work the F-15 any day. Whick would I rather have if I were a pilot is a different story. But to be a maintainer on this jet is no fun!




you mean AFSC right? 2a3X3a
Link Posted: 5/21/2005 2:18:07 PM EST
[Last Edit: 5/21/2005 2:19:23 PM EST by Chairborne]

Originally Posted By VTwin60:

Originally Posted By KA3B:
What's your MOS?


Originally Posted By Camaroman:
It's an ugly jet and I hate working on it. I'd rather work the F-15 any day. Whick would I rather have if I were a pilot is a different story. But to be a maintainer on this jet is no fun!




you mean AFSC right? 2a3X3a



Translation: gas station attendant (crew chief)


TACTICAL AIRCRAFT MAINTENANCE

1. Specialty Summary. Maintains tactical aircraft, support equipment, and forms and records. Performs and supervises flight chief, expediter, crew chief, repair and reclamation, quality assurance, and maintenance support functions. Related DoD Occupational Subgroup: 160000.

2. Duties and Responsibilities:
2.1. Services aircraft. Performs end-of-runway, postflight, preflight, thru-flight, special inspections and phase inspections. Performs sortie generation operations and hot pit refuels. Advises on problems maintaining, servicing, and inspecting aircraft and related aerospace equipment. Uses technical data to diagnose and solve maintenance problems on aircraft systems. Interprets and advises on maintenance procedures and policies to repair aircraft and related equipment.
2.2. Troubleshoots and maintains aircraft structures, systems, components, and related equipment. Removes and installs aircraft components. Conducts functional tests of repaired components and systems. Adjusts, aligns, and rigs aircraft systems. Supervises and performs aircraft jacking, lifting, and towing operations.
2.3. Inspects aircraft structures, systems, components, and related systems. Supervises and performs aircraft and component inspections. Interprets inspection findings and determines adequacy of corrective actions. Inspects and checks components for clearances, tolerances, proper installation, and operation. Inspects and operates powered and nonpowered aerospace ground equipment. Inspects and identifies aircraft corrosion for prevention and repair. Reviews maintenance forms, aircraft records, automated maintenance data systems, and historical reports to ensure complete documentation. Inventories and maintains aircraft equipment.
2.4. Performs flight chief, production superintendent, expediter, crew chief, repair and reclamation, and maintenance support functions. Coordinates maintenance plans and schedules to meet operational commitments. Supervises and assists in launching and recovering aircraft. Reviews maintenance data collection summaries to determine trends and production effectiveness. Performs crash recovery duties. Performs staff and supervisory management functions.



Knuckle draggers, give them brand new airplanes, and they bitch, give them 30 year old ones, they bitch. Just can't please them.
Link Posted: 5/21/2005 2:30:44 PM EST
Link Posted: 5/21/2005 2:35:54 PM EST
[Last Edit: 5/21/2005 2:36:15 PM EST by EricE]
Link Posted: 5/21/2005 2:38:56 PM EST



All crew chiefs have is false pride, your job sucks ass. Specs rule! I understand that crew chiefs are always pissed cause you can train a spec to be a booger hooker in about a week but you can never learn our job. Sucks to be so replaceable huh?
Link Posted: 5/21/2005 2:42:30 PM EST
I'm structural maintenance/corrosion control. My AFSC is 2A7X3.

On the 15 I worked the airframe. There wasn't really a problem dealing with corrosion. Except when the pilots piss on the floor. On the Raptor I maintain the coationgs.

I'll take my 30 year F-15's all day long over that hunk of junk.
Link Posted: 5/21/2005 2:47:39 PM EST

Originally Posted By Chairborne:
All crew chiefs have is false pride, your job sucks ass. Specs rule! I understand that crew chiefs are always pissed cause you can train a spec to be a booger hooker in about a week but you can never learn our job. Sucks to be so replaceable huh?



ah a pointy head, well that would explain lots.....I like my A&P how about you?
Link Posted: 5/21/2005 2:47:48 PM EST
No wonder you're complaining, the coatings will always be a PITA on the B-2/F-117/F-22 and F-35. That's the price you pay for stealth, talk to guys who work the -117 if you think you have a lot of work on 22s. Go work the BUFFs that have spent a lot of time at Diego Garcia if you want to see some insane corrosion.
Link Posted: 5/21/2005 2:48:54 PM EST

Originally Posted By VTwin60:

Originally Posted By Chairborne:
All crew chiefs have is false pride, your job sucks ass. Specs rule! I understand that crew chiefs are always pissed cause you can train a spec to be a booger hooker in about a week but you can never learn our job. Sucks to be so replaceable huh?



ah a pointy head, well that would explain lots.....I like my A&P how about you?



I like my A&P too, and my FCC GROL, and my BSPA degree, etc... so your a one trick pony that can make $12 a hour?
Link Posted: 5/21/2005 2:54:16 PM EST
[Last Edit: 5/21/2005 2:55:58 PM EST by VTwin60]

Originally Posted By Chairborne:

Originally Posted By VTwin60:

Originally Posted By Chairborne:
All crew chiefs have is false pride, your job sucks ass. Specs rule! I understand that crew chiefs are always pissed cause you can train a spec to be a booger hooker in about a week but you can never learn our job. Sucks to be so replaceable huh?



ah a pointy head, well that would explain lots.....I like my A&P how about you?



I like my A&P too, and my FCC GROL, and my BSPA degree, etc... so your a one trick pony that can make $12 a hour?



I don't even use mine, but then again I didn't have to have to go to school to get it either. Its nice when you can show up at the FSDO with records in hand and get signed off, unlike a pointy head You guys are specialists alright....just like the special olympics

Edit to add: commercial aviation is a dying industry....but there will always be those special people who enjoy working for $12 an hour.....
Link Posted: 5/21/2005 3:06:46 PM EST

Originally Posted By VTwin60:

I don't even use mine, but then again I didn't have to have to go to school to get it either.



Neither did I:

www.au.af.mil/au/ccaf/faa_certification.htm

I disagree about commercial aviation dying, but much heavy maintenance is moving out of the country, can't argue with cheap labor. After the first few crashes caused by it the airlines will bring the work back here.
Link Posted: 5/21/2005 3:12:24 PM EST

Originally Posted By Camaroman:
I'm structural maintenance/corrosion control. My AFSC is 2A7X3.

On the 15 I worked the airframe. There wasn't really a problem dealing with corrosion. Except when the pilots piss on the floor. On the Raptor I maintain the coationgs.

I'll take my 30 year F-15's all day long over that hunk of junk.



Yes, for you working on the -22 does suck bad. I worked -22's from Aug 2000 to Jan 2005 at Edwards.
Link Posted: 5/21/2005 3:16:31 PM EST
I may be a squid, but I think a fighter plane should say bad attitude in just its profile. And I can't think of a plane that says it any better then the F4E- Phantom.
Link Posted: 5/21/2005 3:18:57 PM EST

Originally Posted By 71-Hour_Achmed:
Does anyone have the photo posted a few months ago of an F-22 taking off from Boeing Field? The plane was caught from behind and to its right, and had a beautiful double tail of fire showing the patterns of shockwaves in the exhaust.

It was off Airliners.net, but is no longer on that site as far as I can find. I screwed up and only saved it on my work computer, and am no longer at that job.



Here you go;








These are the F-15 that was flying chase;



Link Posted: 5/21/2005 5:06:25 PM EST
Excellent pics. Thanks for posting.
Link Posted: 5/21/2005 5:14:07 PM EST
Whatever.
At least the Navy places a name classification on the job.
So what's a 2a3X3a do? Remove the screws for the aft engine inspection panel and then call in the 2a3X3b to remove the panel?

Working on the F-15 sucks? Who'da thunk. I figured that since Air Force birds are so frigggen clean and since it's a recent aircraft design it would be easy to work on.
Not like removing a generator or a hydraulic pump from an F-4.


Originally Posted By VTwin60:
you mean AFSC right? 2a3X3a

Link Posted: 5/21/2005 5:21:32 PM EST
[Last Edit: 5/21/2005 5:22:52 PM EST by DrFrige]
"YOUR ATTENTION PLEASE: CAN SOMEONE REMOVE THAT HUNK-O-SHIT OFF THE RUNWAY??

REAL PLANES ARE TRYING TO LAND!"



Link Posted: 5/21/2005 5:22:18 PM EST

Originally Posted By EricE:

Originally Posted By DrFrige:
Who cares....ITS AN UGLY FUCKING PLANE!!!


Thats right: I SAID IT!!!



Dude, you're about to be put on my "list" again.



wait a minute!! Since when was I OFF the list???
Link Posted: 5/21/2005 5:22:41 PM EST

Originally Posted By KA3B:
Whatever.
At least the Navy places a name classification on the job.
So what's a 2a3X3a do? Remove the screws for the aft engine inspection panel and then call in the 2a3X3b to remove the panel?

Working on the F-15 sucks? Who'da thunk. I figured that since Air Force birds are so frigggen clean and since it's a recent aircraft design it would be easy to work on.
Not like removing a generator or a hydraulic pump from an F-4.


Originally Posted By VTwin60:
you mean AFSC right? 2a3X3a




2A3X3A works on F-15's
2A3X3B works on F-16's and F-117's
2A3X3J works A-10', U-2's, and RQ-1's

When you make E-6 the sreadout at the end of your AFSC goes away and you get to work them all.

Actually changing a Hyd pump on a F-15 is very easy, but Lockeed had go and make it a pain in the ass on the F-16 and -22.
Link Posted: 5/21/2005 5:22:50 PM EST

Originally Posted By KA3B:
Working on the F-15 sucks? Who'da thunk. I figured that since Air Force birds are so frigggen clean and since it's a recent aircraft design it would be easy to work on.
Not like removing a generator or a hydraulic pump from an F-4.



I worked F-4s (G models) for a few years, everything was a huge PITA to remove/replace, the F-15 is leaps and bounds better about component placement and QD panel fasteners and the like. I haven't worked -22s but they are even newer than C-17s so I imagine they are a piece of cake to get to everything as well. McDonell Douglas can build a hell of an airframe, but they do have their head up their arse about some things. Most lockheed planes (C-5, C-141, C-130 etc) are piles of crap structurally but easier to work on, I guess maybe the -22 is that way too. CSDs on an F-4 were a very special item to change weren't they?
Link Posted: 5/21/2005 5:22:52 PM EST

Originally Posted By 2A373:
DrFridge, you call this ugly?

img.photobucket.com/albums/v391/2A373/050512-F-2295B-108.jpg
hi-res link

img.photobucket.com/albums/v391/2A373/050512-F-2295B-280.jpg
hi-res link

img.photobucket.com/albums/v391/2A373/050512-F-3082A-004.jpg
hi-res link




Wow... that is the most beautiful aircraft i have ever seen

Thanks for the new desktop
Link Posted: 5/21/2005 5:24:50 PM EST

Originally Posted By KA3B:
Whatever.
At least the Navy places a name classification on the job.
So what's a 2a3X3a do? Remove the screws for the aft engine inspection panel and then call in the 2a3X3b to remove the panel?

Working on the F-15 sucks? Who'da thunk. I figured that since Air Force birds are so frigggen clean and since it's a recent aircraft design it would be easy to work on.
Not like removing a generator or a hydraulic pump from an F-4.


Originally Posted By VTwin60:
you mean AFSC right? 2a3X3a




actually 2a3x3 means tactical aircraft maint. 'a' afterwards is the airframe in this case A = F15.
Link Posted: 5/21/2005 5:25:51 PM EST
This plane looks like something Capt./Maj. Anthony 'Tony' Nelson and Capt./Maj. Roger Healey would fly... Guess they will have a word with Dr Bellows after they land too...


Link Posted: 5/21/2005 5:30:09 PM EST
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Link Posted: 5/21/2005 5:36:33 PM EST
Thanks.
For the Navy anyone who works aircraft structures or hydraulics is called an AM - Aircraft Structural Mechanic.
If they go to a specific aircraft school or a specific job school then they get an NEC - Navy Enlisted Classification code, but 99.9% of the time it does not matter.

As an AMS3 (old school) I worked out of the airframe shop.
I was also an Aircrewman.
I was also qualified to work on two airframes, the A-3 and the A-7.
I was also an in shop / in process Quality Control Inspector and I was dual turn qualed on bot the A-3 and the A-7 (TF30 only).
Oh yea, and I was also a qualified plane captain (AF crew chief) for both the A-3 and A-7.


Originally Posted By VTwin60:
actually 2a3x3 means tactical aircraft maint. 'a' afterwards is the airframe in this case A = F15.

Link Posted: 5/21/2005 5:37:23 PM EST
I know i'll get shit for this....but I would give one of my AR's for a Max Climb in a F-22...
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