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Posted: 1/24/2014 2:59:15 AM EDT
[Last Edit: 1/29/2014 4:56:03 AM EDT by 4DAIVIPAI2K5]
Anyone else get the email today from them about it?

Their story

Edit with the contact info from the story.

To contact the National City Mayor, please call (619) 336-4236 or e-mail rmorrison@nationalcityca.gov.
To contact the City Council, please call (619) 336-4235 or e-mail council@nationalcityca.gov.
Link Posted: 1/24/2014 3:02:47 AM EDT
I shared it on Facebook....I usually get a lot of hits.
Link Posted: 1/24/2014 3:13:09 AM EDT
California . They should call the ACLU
Link Posted: 1/24/2014 3:38:31 AM EDT
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I would love to see that.
Link Posted: 1/24/2014 3:42:11 AM EDT
Wow what bullshit.
Link Posted: 1/24/2014 3:47:08 AM EDT
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Yup. Top down politics..we are seeing more and more of this daily.
Link Posted: 1/24/2014 3:56:03 AM EDT
Time to file a lawsuit against the city, and profit for violating their rights.


Link Posted: 1/24/2014 4:12:23 AM EDT
Burn the mayor and city council in effigy.
Link Posted: 1/24/2014 4:23:11 AM EDT
Sad when a "please vote for my ___________________ " threads get multiple pages and people sending emails rather than something like this that needs our attention to actually make a difference.

Keep caring gun owners.

Link Posted: 1/24/2014 4:31:09 AM EDT
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Originally Posted By 4DAIVIPAI2K5:



Anyone else get the email today from them about it?





Their story
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i refuse to try and read anything on their shitty site



eta its ca, no shits given





 
Link Posted: 1/24/2014 4:38:10 AM EDT
These were the guys doing the 80% lower build parties correct ?
Link Posted: 1/24/2014 4:45:11 AM EDT
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Originally Posted By TaylorWSO:
i refuse to try and read anything on their shitty site

eta its ca, no shits given
 
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Originally Posted By TaylorWSO:
Originally Posted By 4DAIVIPAI2K5:
Anyone else get the email today from them about it?

Their story
i refuse to try and read anything on their shitty site

eta its ca, no shits given
 


No shits given to gun people who are staying and fighting?

Roger, noted.

This attitude on ARFCOM is weak minded bullshit and pathetic.
Link Posted: 1/24/2014 4:52:12 AM EDT
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Originally Posted By TheDuck:
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yes
Link Posted: 1/24/2014 4:53:29 AM EDT
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Originally Posted By Chris_C:
Sad when a "please vote for my ___________________ " threads get multiple pages and people sending emails rather than something like this that needs our attention to actually make a difference.

Keep caring gun owners.

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Its the problem with Ar15.com

When facts are presented either they dont care or its all crazy tinfoil.  Its easier to just discount the moment than do anything about it.  

I only view the site for its comedy factor now.
Link Posted: 1/24/2014 4:58:58 AM EDT
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Its the problem with Ar15.com

When facts are presented either they dont care or its all crazy tinfoil.  Its easier to just discount the moment than do anything about it.  

I only view the site for its comedy factor now.
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Originally Posted By Spartan_6:
Originally Posted By Chris_C:
Sad when a "please vote for my ___________________ " threads get multiple pages and people sending emails rather than something like this that needs our attention to actually make a difference.

Keep caring gun owners.




Its the problem with Ar15.com

When facts are presented either they dont care or its all crazy tinfoil.  Its easier to just discount the moment than do anything about it.  

I only view the site for its comedy factor now.

Maybe I should change the title.... Please vote for Dimitri for_______
Link Posted: 1/24/2014 4:59:50 AM EDT
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Originally Posted By Spartan_6:



Its the problem with Ar15.com

When facts are presented either they dont care or its all crazy tinfoil.  Its easier to just discount the moment than do anything about it.  

I only view the site for its comedy factor now.
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Originally Posted By Spartan_6:
Originally Posted By Chris_C:
Sad when a "please vote for my ___________________ " threads get multiple pages and people sending emails rather than something like this that needs our attention to actually make a difference.

Keep caring gun owners.




Its the problem with Ar15.com

When facts are presented either they dont care or its all crazy tinfoil.  Its easier to just discount the moment than do anything about it.  

I only view the site for its comedy factor now.


With our numbers of members, If a handful of people sent emails, cross posted, social media, etc..it WOULD help.

We(gun owners) get what we deserve. Good things happen when we fight back.
Link Posted: 1/24/2014 5:03:59 AM EDT
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this
Link Posted: 1/24/2014 5:04:07 AM EDT
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Originally Posted By 4DAIVIPAI2K5:

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lol..no shit, maybe put a "Please vote for my wife Dimitri's cupcakes, photo added for the leg humpers inside!"



@AresArmor @CityOfNatlCity

https://www.facebook.com/AresArmor





Link Posted: 1/24/2014 5:07:47 AM EDT
Got the email. Good for them for standing up.

I bought an 80 from them not long ago. Will buy more also.
Link Posted: 1/24/2014 5:12:59 AM EDT

The CEO's "open letter" is not going to help him.


The city government might be petty tyrants, but they are best fought with their own law / ordinances / precedent and not with bloviating.


Link Posted: 1/24/2014 5:16:10 AM EDT
That's one hard-to-read website and it would be nice if you could read the sign that's got the city upset.  What was it, the word "unserialized" or the stuff behind the lift?

Pretty crappy situation, sounds like they've got grounds for a good case.
Link Posted: 1/24/2014 5:17:28 AM EDT
Bigger surprise to me is that they are still in California.


They need to use the law to their advantage and not get personal letters in the open air.
Link Posted: 1/24/2014 5:18:36 AM EDT
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Originally Posted By ODA_564:
The CEO's "open letter" is not going to help him.

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Maybe so but I think they are hoping for a grass roots response.
Link Posted: 1/24/2014 5:24:15 AM EDT
"Suite" ?

First rule of making a public statement is proof reading your statement.
Small errors like that make you look like a moron and it calls your entire argument into question.


Like misspelling an "I have a deram" sign.
Link Posted: 1/24/2014 5:24:28 AM EDT
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Originally Posted By Spartan_6:



Maybe so but I think they are hoping for a grass roots response.
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Originally Posted By Spartan_6:
Originally Posted By ODA_564:
The CEO's "open letter" is not going to help him.

The city government might be petty tyrants, but they are best fought with their own law / ordinances / precedent and not with bloviating.




Maybe so but I think they are hoping for a grass roots response.


When threatened, I don't blame them for pulling out all the stops.
Link Posted: 1/24/2014 5:30:10 AM EDT
National City is one big giant shithole.  Mostly Hispanics and Blacks, going to be hard to drum up any support locally for these guys.  I like Ares and have bought from them before.
Link Posted: 1/24/2014 5:48:43 AM EDT
it's a mistake to advertise "unserialized".  the faster it becomes mainstream the faster it gets legislated.
Link Posted: 1/24/2014 5:56:47 AM EDT
"Mr. Councilman, I see that you've expressed concern over the commercial speech displayed on my billboard.  As you're aware, political speech receives many more legal protections than commercial speech, so I was wondering if you would prefer that I use my billboard to discuss local campaign issues instead."
Link Posted: 1/24/2014 6:22:45 AM EDT
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Originally Posted By Belisarius_33:
That's one hard-to-read website and it would be nice if you could read the sign that's got the city upset.  What was it, the word "unserialized" or the stuff behind the lift?

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You need glasses if you can't read it.
Link Posted: 1/24/2014 6:27:38 AM EDT
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Originally Posted By 4DAIVIPAI2K5:

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Originally Posted By 4DAIVIPAI2K5:
Originally Posted By Spartan_6:
Originally Posted By Chris_C:
Sad when a "please vote for my ___________________ " threads get multiple pages and people sending emails rather than something like this that needs our attention to actually make a difference.
Keep caring gun owners.

Its the problem with Ar15.com
When facts are presented either they dont care or its all crazy tinfoil.  Its easier to just discount the moment than do anything about it.  
I only view the site for its comedy factor now.

Maybe I should change the title.... Please vote for Dimitri for_______

How about this?

"Problem with wife's build party. Pics of wife included"
Link Posted: 1/24/2014 6:33:18 AM EDT
Link Posted: 1/24/2014 6:36:30 AM EDT
it has nothing to do with whats on the sign it the fact they didn't get a permit to reface the sign.

same thing happened to my pizza hut. we got a new logo, had a new sign installed. like 4 months later the city comes by and tells us to take it down since we didn't get a permit. had to get a permit to put the same sign back up.
Link Posted: 1/24/2014 6:47:16 AM EDT
Selective enforcement.

Sign issues are typically strongly regulated. I guess they are just paying more attention to this sign.
Link Posted: 1/24/2014 6:56:21 AM EDT
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Selective enforcement.

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one would think that if you have a sign that may be disliked - you'll get the proper permits


I don't know sign permitting in CA (when I did sign work it was in NY) but it's a pain in the fucking ass, but also usually on the sign company to pull (or at least a sign company worth a shit)....



hope they win out though
Link Posted: 1/24/2014 7:12:19 AM EDT
The page from the OP left me confused on what exactly is going on so I'm trying to learn more. I found NCMC 18.11.100 to see what the sign permit law says.  (Link)

From there, I eventually found the section SIGNS AND OUTDOOR ADVERTISING DISPLAYS, which is a bit wordy. The problem here seems to be that a permit and approval process is required for erection of all signs in the area. However, I read the entire muni code and I can't find anything that would make the sign a violation.

In the citation, they use "18.47.220 Removal from abandoned site or building." which seems to have fuck-all to do with Ares putting up a new sign for their new business.

So really, other than not going to someone and begging for their permission, I don't know why the city is cramming sand up it's own vagina. Maybe they are intimidated by the silhouette of a gun?

Link Posted: 1/24/2014 7:18:01 AM EDT
Ares has a horrible website design for readability.  Whoever decided to have the text area slightly transparent with a background image bleeding through needs a wake up call.
Link Posted: 1/24/2014 7:23:05 AM EDT
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Originally Posted By Chris_C:
No shits given to gun people who are staying and fighting?





Roger, noted.





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staying and fighting- laughable





you will never see a R majority again, you cannot beat the rising mexican vote, your justice system and entire political system is overrun with liberal assholes, and you freeby society is enslaved to a liberal mindset








YOU HAVE FUCKING LOST




eta I will not waste my time on a unrecoverable situation, maybe if you were in CO where there might be a fight, okay but ca is lost





 
Link Posted: 1/24/2014 7:24:35 AM EDT
I would go to the sign company and ask for other similar jobs they have done.  It other signs were changed without hassle from the city, a good case might be made that they are being illegally targeted due to the nature of the business.

Civil suit against thecity then follows...
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Originally Posted By TaylorWSO:



staying and fighting- laughable



you will never see a R majority again, you cannot beat the rising mexican vote, your justice system and entire political system is overrun with liberal assholes, and you freeby society is enslaved to a liberal mindset





YOU HAVE FUCKING LOST




eta I will not waste my time on a unrecoverable situation, maybe if you were in CO where there might be a fight, okay but ca is lost

 
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Originally Posted By TaylorWSO:



Originally Posted By Chris_C:





No shits given to gun people who are staying and fighting?



Roger, noted.



This attitude on ARFCOM is weak minded bullshit and pathetic.
staying and fighting- laughable



you will never see a R majority again, you cannot beat the rising mexican vote, your justice system and entire political system is overrun with liberal assholes, and you freeby society is enslaved to a liberal mindset





YOU HAVE FUCKING LOST




eta I will not waste my time on a unrecoverable situation, maybe if you were in CO where there might be a fight, okay but ca is lost

 


Chris,



It is guys like this that generally keep me out of any thread dealing with California politics.  



 
Link Posted: 1/24/2014 7:31:07 AM EDT
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Originally Posted By 4DAIVIPAI2K5:

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Originally Posted By 4DAIVIPAI2K5:
Originally Posted By Spartan_6:
Originally Posted By Chris_C:
Sad when a "please vote for my ___________________ " threads get multiple pages and people sending emails rather than something like this that needs our attention to actually make a difference.

Keep caring gun owners.




Its the problem with Ar15.com

When facts are presented either they dont care or its all crazy tinfoil.  Its easier to just discount the moment than do anything about it.  

I only view the site for its comedy factor now.

Maybe I should change the title.... Please vote for Dimitri for_______


Put "Firemission" in the title, and stop bitching in this thread would be a great start.
Link Posted: 1/24/2014 7:37:46 AM EDT
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Originally Posted By VacaDuck:

Chris,

It is guys like this that generally keep me out of any thread dealing with California politics.  
 
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Originally Posted By VacaDuck:
Originally Posted By TaylorWSO:
Originally Posted By Chris_C:


No shits given to gun people who are staying and fighting?

Roger, noted.

This attitude on ARFCOM is weak minded bullshit and pathetic.
staying and fighting- laughable

you will never see a R majority again, you cannot beat the rising mexican vote, your justice system and entire political system is overrun with liberal assholes, and you freeby society is enslaved to a liberal mindset


YOU HAVE FUCKING LOST


eta I will not waste my time on a unrecoverable situation, maybe if you were in CO where there might be a fight, okay but ca is lost
 

Chris,

It is guys like this that generally keep me out of any thread dealing with California politics.  
 


Ah  who give's a shit. It's not like any other states are passing laws infringing on the 2A...
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Originally Posted By TaylorWSO:
staying and fighting- laughable

you will never see a R majority again, you cannot beat the rising mexican vote, your justice system and entire political system is overrun with liberal assholes, and you freeby society is enslaved to a liberal mindset


YOU HAVE FUCKING LOST


eta I will not waste my time on a unrecoverable situation, maybe if you were in CO where there might be a fight, okay but ca is lost
 
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Originally Posted By TaylorWSO:
Originally Posted By Chris_C:


No shits given to gun people who are staying and fighting?

Roger, noted.

This attitude on ARFCOM is weak minded bullshit and pathetic.
staying and fighting- laughable

you will never see a R majority again, you cannot beat the rising mexican vote, your justice system and entire political system is overrun with liberal assholes, and you freeby society is enslaved to a liberal mindset


YOU HAVE FUCKING LOST


eta I will not waste my time on a unrecoverable situation, maybe if you were in CO where there might be a fight, okay but ca is lost
 


I'm going with weak minded bullshit and pathetic also.
Link Posted: 1/24/2014 8:23:19 AM EDT
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Originally Posted By Disintegr8or:


Put "Firemission" in the title, and stop bitching in this thread would be a great start.
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Originally Posted By Disintegr8or:
Originally Posted By 4DAIVIPAI2K5:
Originally Posted By Spartan_6:
Originally Posted By Chris_C:
Sad when a "please vote for my ___________________ " threads get multiple pages and people sending emails rather than something like this that needs our attention to actually make a difference.

Keep caring gun owners.




Its the problem with Ar15.com

When facts are presented either they dont care or its all crazy tinfoil.  Its easier to just discount the moment than do anything about it.  

I only view the site for its comedy factor now.

Maybe I should change the title.... Please vote for Dimitri for_______


Put "Firemission" in the title, and stop bitching in this thread would be a great start.


Done and added the contact info
Link Posted: 1/24/2014 8:23:51 AM EDT
Hmm... bitcoin purchasable 80%ers...
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It still has to be mailed somewhere.  If you were local cash would work just fine.



 
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As a former NY (Yonkers and Westchester) I get sickened by so called "gun guys" here who constantly shit on other members who live in Battleground 2A states who a) won't/ can't leave for a host of reasons b) bash them for staying in the fight from their temporary protected lofts

I don't blame you for staying out of the threads, not one bit.

I know you, you are a good guy and I know you are doing what you can do in California.



Link Posted: 1/24/2014 8:49:49 AM EDT
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i refuse to try and read anything on their shitty site

eta its ca, no shits given
 
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Originally Posted By 4DAIVIPAI2K5:
Anyone else get the email today from them about it?

Their story
i refuse to try and read anything on their shitty site

eta its ca, no shits given
 


This is exactly why they keep getting away with this shit.
As long as you keep up this attitude they will keep winning.
Plus, being an ass doesn't help either.
Link Posted: 1/24/2014 9:07:05 AM EDT
Done.  I sent the following.

Hello,

I'm writing to ask you to drop your claims against Ares Armor and their billboard. If you don't like the message, I'm sorry but thats too bad. We don't have to all agree politically on everything, but trying to silence someone who thinks differently then you is the hallmark of every tyrannical government in history. Don't be those people. If your ideas and values are better, then let them win out in the court of of public opinion. If you lose there, don't be a poor sport and "take your ball and go home."

Please handle this like true Americans and let the billboard stay up.
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Being a born and raised Californian it makes me sad to see what my home state has become. I do honestly feel like the battle there is lost, but I will still keep offering aid to those who stay and fight it.
Link Posted: 1/24/2014 9:08:14 AM EDT
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I just read the citation, and I am afraid Ares has no real fight.

The sign was abandoned after the previous tenant left, and for future use the sign needs to be brought up to code.
I deal with stuff like this all the time here in Florida.  People buy a house and try to make changes to it and will find out they can't because of code changes.
They always think they are "grandfathered" in, and 95% of the time they have to go in front of the County Commissioners, and usually lose.

Code enforcement sucks, but writing them a letter as Ares did certainly won't help their cause.
Militant a-holes usually get blackballed trying to strong-arm their way with .gov workers.

18.11.090 NONCONFORMING SIGNS
A. Nonconforming Sign Regulations
1. In cases where the area of signs existing as a lawful nonconforming use on a property exceeds the
total allowable area for permitted signs, no additional signs shall be permitted on the property. If the
size or configuration of a parcel or building is changed by the subdivision or splitting of the property or
alterations to the building or parcel, property identification signs and outdoor advertising signs on the
resulting properties shall be required to conform to the sign regulations applicable to the newly
created parcel or parcels, at the time such change becomes effective.
2. In the event a use of any site or building is vacated, terminated or abandoned, for any reason, for a
period of more than one ninety consecutive days
, the owner or person in possession of the property
shall be responsible for the removal of all signs on the property, building or wall, or for having the
copy thereon painted out, immediately upon notice from the City.
3. Nonconforming signs shall be removed or made conforming when the business or property changes
occupancy or ownership.


18.47.110 ROOF MOUNTED SIGNS.
Roof-mounted signs are not permitted.


Pretty black and white to me. ^^
Link Posted: 1/24/2014 9:47:59 AM EDT
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In the appeal by Ares Armor, it says the sign was originally put up in the 1920s, before the current city code went in to effect.  This sign is grandfathered and resurfacing the sign is not supposed to change the grandfathered status.
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In the appeal by Ares Armor, it says the sign was originally put up in the 1920s, before the current city code went in to effect.  This sign is grandfathered and resurfacing the sign is not supposed to change the grandfathered status.
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