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Posted: 10/14/2015 3:38:03 PM EDT
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I actally like the P320
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[Last Edit: 10/14/2015 3:40:27 PM EDT by John_Wayne777]
Link Posted: 10/14/2015 3:40:33 PM EDT
Originally Posted By John_Wayne777:
https://www.fbo.gov/utils/view?id=b572bfc31492380c0534465de4c674dc

The list of required features has a definite smell of not-Glock to it.

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Wouldn't want them to accidentally professional themselves in the foot would we?

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Link Posted: 10/14/2015 3:41:48 PM EDT
That's got Sig P320 written all over it
Link Posted: 10/14/2015 3:42:30 PM EDT
Let them carry pepper spray.
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Originally Posted By John_Wayne777:


As I mentioned in the other thread, if I were a betting man that's where I'd put my money as the eventual winner in this.
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Originally Posted By John_Wayne777:
Originally Posted By www-glock19-com:
I actally like the P320


As I mentioned in the other thread, if I were a betting man that's where I'd put my money as the eventual winner in this.
And the special people can still feel special even without their Zev stuff


Link Posted: 10/14/2015 3:42:44 PM EDT
There are several other guns that could be easily modified to meet the proposal and the M&P meets it as is.....
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Originally Posted By John_Wayne777:


As I mentioned in the other thread, if I were a betting man that's where I'd put my money as the eventual winner in this.
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Originally Posted By John_Wayne777:
Originally Posted By www-glock19-com:
I actally like the P320


As I mentioned in the other thread, if I were a betting man that's where I'd put my money as the eventual winner in this.


Ugh. I hate DAOs...
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Originally Posted By Will:
There are several other guns that could be easily modified to meet the proposal and the M&P meets it as is.....
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Doesn't meet the compact pistol requirements. Their spec is no less than 3.75", M&P compact is 3.5".
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Originally Posted By whollyshite:


Ugh. I hate DAOs...
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Originally Posted By whollyshite:
Originally Posted By John_Wayne777:
Originally Posted By www-glock19-com:
I actally like the P320


As I mentioned in the other thread, if I were a betting man that's where I'd put my money as the eventual winner in this.


Ugh. I hate DAOs...
P320 is striker.
Link Posted: 10/14/2015 3:45:40 PM EDT
Everything but the finger grooves says Glock .
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Originally Posted By John_Wayne777:


I would expect to see a number of introductions that meet the published spec.
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Originally Posted By John_Wayne777:
Originally Posted By Will:
There are several other guns that could be easily modified to meet the proposal and the M&P meets it as is.....


I would expect to see a number of introductions that meet the published spec.



This may prove to be a real boon to us "Civis'"
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Originally Posted By CBags04:
P320 is striker.
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Originally Posted By CBags04:
Originally Posted By whollyshite:
Originally Posted By John_Wayne777:
Originally Posted By www-glock19-com:
I actally like the P320


As I mentioned in the other thread, if I were a betting man that's where I'd put my money as the eventual winner in this.


Ugh. I hate DAOs...
P320 is striker.
a surprisingly nice and smooth striker
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Originally Posted By whiskerz:
Everything but the finger grooves says Glock .
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I thought that too.....BUT, the "trigger safety if any must conform to the trigger bow" takes out the Glock as is......BUT...I don't see that that's a deal killer.....
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Originally Posted By CBags04:
Doesn't meet the compact pistol requirements. Their spec is no less than 3.75", M&P compact is 3.5".
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Originally Posted By CBags04:
Originally Posted By Will:
There are several other guns that could be easily modified to meet the proposal and the M&P meets it as is.....
Doesn't meet the compact pistol requirements. Their spec is no less than 3.75", M&P compact is 3.5".


FS slide on a compact frame hybrid? Sort of like the custom cut downs.

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Originally Posted By John_Wayne777:


The P320 is striker fired.

Personally I prefer a DA/SA pistol...or a good DAO like the H&K with a properly spec'd LEM trigger in it.
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Originally Posted By John_Wayne777:

Originally Posted By whollyshite:

Ugh. I hate DAOs...

The P320 is striker fired.

Personally I prefer a DA/SA pistol...or a good DAO like the H&K with a properly spec'd LEM trigger in it.


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Not allowable to have a magazine catch activated by downward pressure eliminates HK.



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the "barrel shall be a minimum of 4.26” not to exceed 5.20” requirement seems to exclude standard M&Ps from meeting the requirements.
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Originally Posted By Bedouin2W:
the "barrel shall be a minimum of 4.26” not to exceed 5.20” requirement seems to exclude standard M&Ps from meeting the requirements.
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A 92 Beretta' esque barrel would solve that....
Link Posted: 10/14/2015 4:03:23 PM EDT
1911s for everybody!
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Originally Posted By Bedouin2W:
the "barrel shall be a minimum of 4.26” not to exceed 5.20” requirement seems to exclude standard M&Ps from meeting the requirements.
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Bring back the 9L, problem solved. There's still the issue of the Class I barrel length for the 9c, though.

Good to see a high-visibility sight requirement.
Link Posted: 10/14/2015 4:05:42 PM EDT
The FBI already knows what pistol they want; this is just how you demand a specific branded item yet appear to be open minded and soliciting bids.




Link Posted: 10/14/2015 4:06:02 PM EDT
whats wrong with what they are using now?
really.
$85,000,000.00?
Link Posted: 10/14/2015 4:08:28 PM EDT
*crosses fingers and hopes for a new G19 minus finger grooves*
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Originally Posted By www-glock19-com:
I actally like the P320
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As I said in the other thread, the M&P, the P320, and the FNS were the first guns to come to mind when I read the requirements (without checking dimensions).

Everyone is different, but I would argue that the slide stop requirement C.4.8.d (inadvertently overriding the slide stop) eliminates just about anything Sig has ever made. That is my biggest complaint about their guns, and it's the only reason I sold my P226.
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Originally Posted By OKnativeson:
whats wrong with what they are using now?
really.
$85,000,000.00?
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85 mil is over ten years and covers several different agencies.
Link Posted: 10/14/2015 4:10:43 PM EDT
"There shall be no method of manually cocking the pistol other than by pressing the trigger."

So the pistol would be DA only? The striker would be retracted as the trigger is pulled then released instead of the striker being cocked as the slide cycles.
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Originally Posted By JBski:
*crosses fingers and hopes for a new G19 minus finger grooves*
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Do you think Glock is going to redesign their frame and their trigger to get this contract?
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Originally Posted By JBski:
*crosses fingers and hopes for a new G19 minus finger grooves*
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LOL...Yeah right. You just keep holding your breath


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Originally Posted By substandard:
"There shall be no method of manually cocking the pistol other than by pressing the trigger."

So the pistol would be DA only? The striker would be retracted as the trigger is pulled then released instead of the striker being cocked as the slide cycles.
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That's how I read it. Eliminates Glock and M&P right off the bat. Very finely tuned set of specs. They know what they want.

Local PD just went with Sig 320, haven't heard any reports from them yet.
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Originally Posted By substandard:
"There shall be no method of manually cocking the pistol other than by pressing the trigger."

So the pistol would be DA only? The striker would be retracted as the trigger is pulled then released instead of the striker being cocked as the slide cycles.
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I believe most modern striker-fired designs are only fully cocked as the trigger is pressed.
Link Posted: 10/14/2015 4:18:09 PM EDT
9mm and LOL:

CONTINUING CONTRACT PERFORMANCE DURING A PANDEMIC, INFLUENZA OR OTHER NATIONAL EMERGENCY
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Uhhh what are you NOT telling us, guys?
Link Posted: 10/14/2015 4:21:10 PM EDT
The aversion to a manual safety surprises me. Not seeing the downside to a properly designed one.
Link Posted: 10/14/2015 4:21:45 PM EDT
Side note: The P320 looks like a (hopefully) product-improvement of the epic failure the P250 was... Have they really worked the kinks out?

The concept is intriguing... Dunno about the execution.
Link Posted: 10/14/2015 4:22:52 PM EDT
Glock will probably enter one without finger groves it wouldn't take that much.
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Originally Posted By macman37:
Side note: The P320 looks like a (hopefully) product-improvement of the epic failure the P250 was... Have they really worked the kinks out?

The concept is intriguing... Dunno about the execution.
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Reviews of the 320 are almost universally great. My personal experience with the P320 Compact 9mm was awesome.. great accuracy, comfortable, sweet trigger.
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More Professionals for me?
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Originally Posted By macman37:
Side note: The P320 looks like a (hopefully) product-improvement of the epic failure the P250 was... Have they really worked the kinks out?

The concept is intriguing... Dunno about the execution.
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Yup this. The 2022 is reportedly a good gun, the 250 was failure. Haven't much about how the 320 is working in the real world.
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Originally Posted By John_Wayne777:
H&K should be able to mod the VP9 to an ambidextrous button...if they wanted to bother with it.

Personally I'm a big fan of the levers on H&K handguns. They work very well.
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I'm going to replace my Glock. After doing a lot of research and test firing friend's pistols, it's either going to be an M&P, a VP9, or Sig 2022 if I decide I want da/sa. The VP9 has a great deal going for it and it might be the best 9mm semi auto I've ever put my hands on. The ability to customize every aspect of the grip is the big selling point for me.
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Originally Posted By POINTMAN380:






LOL...Yeah right. You just keep holding your breath



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Originally Posted By JBski:
*crosses fingers and hopes for a new G19 minus finger grooves*






LOL...Yeah right. You just keep holding your breath





I'd like to see the Gen5 have interchangable front straps with and without grooves. I like grooves on a 19 but not on a 17 size, small hands.
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Originally Posted By Ameshawki:


85 mil is over ten years and covers several different agencies.
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Originally Posted By OKnativeson:
whats wrong with what they are using now?
really.
$85,000,000.00?


85 mil is over ten years and covers several different agencies.


doesn't matter.
I've carried the same pistol daily for 11 years and I guarantee that I shoot it more than their service pistols.
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Originally Posted By John_Wayne777:


As I mentioned in the other thread, if I were a betting man that's where I'd put my money as the eventual winner in this.
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Originally Posted By John_Wayne777:
Originally Posted By www-glock19-com:
I actally like the P320


As I mentioned in the other thread, if I were a betting man that's where I'd put my money as the eventual winner in this.



Agreed, seems the P320 was built for this.
Link Posted: 10/14/2015 4:35:23 PM EDT
HK P30 9mm
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Originally Posted By Bassgasm:


Do you think Glock is going to redesign their frame and their trigger to get this contract?
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Originally Posted By Bassgasm:
Originally Posted By JBski:
*crosses fingers and hopes for a new G19 minus finger grooves*


Do you think Glock is going to redesign their frame and their trigger to get this contract?


Why not? They do like money, yes?

One could dream, I suppose.
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Originally Posted By ICEMAN19047:


I'd like to see the Gen5 have interchangable front straps with and without grooves. I like grooves on a 19 but not on a 17 size, small hands.
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Originally Posted By ICEMAN19047:
Originally Posted By POINTMAN380:
Originally Posted By JBski:
*crosses fingers and hopes for a new G19 minus finger grooves*






LOL...Yeah right. You just keep holding your breath





I'd like to see the Gen5 have interchangable front straps with and without grooves. I like grooves on a 19 but not on a 17 size, small hands.


I'm the opposite. I didn't mind the groves on the 17C I used to own, but they just don't fit my hand right on the 19. I don't know if I have small hands, but its a solid Medium in Mechanix gloves size, so its not like they are monster mitts.
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Originally Posted By John_Wayne777:


As I mentioned in the other thread, if I were a betting man that's where I'd put my money as the eventual winner in this.
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Originally Posted By John_Wayne777:
Originally Posted By www-glock19-com:
I actally like the P320


As I mentioned in the other thread, if I were a betting man that's where I'd put my money as the eventual winner in this.


I'm not familiar with the P320, but I'm open to trying it
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Originally Posted By whiskerz:
Everything but the finger grooves says Glock .
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And the magazine lip protrusion thingy, unless the U notch counts
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