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Posted: 3/10/2005 4:24:09 PM EDT
[Last Edit: 3/10/2005 4:36:51 PM EDT by lazyengineer]
A friend of mine took the 2004 election map, and superimposed the generosity index data over it www.catalogueforphilanthropy.org/cfp/db/generosity.php?year=2004

1 represents the most generous state, and 50 is the least. Which is to say, -Mississippi- residents donate the most proportion of their resources to charity, and New Hampshire the least.

I'll let you draw your own conclusions.

Link Posted: 3/10/2005 4:26:57 PM EDT
Figures...

Liberals tend to be selfish bastards...
Link Posted: 3/10/2005 4:30:22 PM EDT
We're just poor. NH is a pretty low income state, you can't give much when you need every penny just to get by.
Link Posted: 3/10/2005 4:31:44 PM EDT
[Last Edit: 3/10/2005 4:32:40 PM EDT by lazyengineer]
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Link Posted: 3/10/2005 4:32:24 PM EDT

Originally Posted By NH_AR_Shooter:
We're just poor. NH is a pretty low income state, you can't give much when you need every penny just to get by.



I believe the index adjusts for income. Alabama is by no means a rich state, but they still got number 1.
Link Posted: 3/10/2005 4:35:18 PM EDT
Link Posted: 3/10/2005 4:35:34 PM EDT
Don't want to bust your geography but #1 is Mississippi. Alabama is #5
Link Posted: 3/10/2005 4:36:20 PM EDT

Originally Posted By NH_AR_Shooter:
We're just poor. NH is a pretty low income state, you can't give much when you need every penny just to get by.



No offense, but based on the time I spent there when my friend was a resident, the only reason people there would be poor is because they spend all their time getting baked up and snowboarding/rock climbing.

G23c
Link Posted: 3/10/2005 4:37:12 PM EDT

Originally Posted By eodtech2000:
Don't want to bust your geography but #1 is Mississippi. Alabama is #5



Wups!
Link Posted: 3/10/2005 4:40:26 PM EDT
I cannot explain Colorado's standing in this. We are below some of the blue states. That alone is enough to bother me.


"That others might live."
Link Posted: 3/10/2005 4:41:05 PM EDT
Link Posted: 3/10/2005 4:50:34 PM EDT
While I am an Alabamian, and would love to take the credit, that's MS.

Thanks for posting this one.... pretty cool idea.

-Hobbit
Link Posted: 3/10/2005 4:56:05 PM EDT

Originally Posted By glock23carry:

Originally Posted By NH_AR_Shooter:
We're just poor. NH is a pretty low income state, you can't give much when you need every penny just to get by.



No offense, but based on the time I spent there when my friend was a resident, the only reason people there would be poor is because they spend all their time getting baked up and snowboarding/rock climbing.

G23c



Next time try hanging around with people who work two jobs for a living, pay tons of $$ for heat in the winter, and dont have money to play around in the mountains with the tourist.
Link Posted: 3/10/2005 4:56:27 PM EDT
Isn't HI/AK backwards?
Link Posted: 3/10/2005 4:59:10 PM EDT
How is this generosity index calculated?
Link Posted: 3/10/2005 5:02:22 PM EDT
[Last Edit: 3/10/2005 5:13:13 PM EDT by NH_AR_Shooter]

Texas, Mississippi, Alabama, Florida,


How high are your winter heating bills? We spend about $3000. on heating oil, real estate is nuts here, rents are crazy, these states while not rich are far cheaper to live in. I have family down there, they have trouble believing what things cost when they come visiting.

New England in general is one of he most expensive parts of the country to live in, rents, heating, energy cost, taxs, high DMV fees, in the end, for many people, there just is not much left to give.
Link Posted: 3/10/2005 5:05:42 PM EDT
I think I speak for all of Pennsylvania when I say: Get a job! We ain't here to pay your friggin way. How are we supposed to buy more guns if`n we give away all our hard earned money?

j/k, of course
Link Posted: 3/10/2005 5:05:49 PM EDT
[Last Edit: 3/10/2005 5:06:07 PM EDT by NH_AR_Shooter]

Originally Posted By brasspile:

Originally Posted By NH_AR_Shooter:
We're just poor. NH is a pretty low income state, you can't give much when you need every penny just to get by.



Yeah, South Dakota isn't "rich", but still comes in at #7. I think we rank 46th/50 for salary levels.

Put that in your pipe and smoke it.



Cant afford to smoke....

Ask any military person who has had the missforture to be stationed up here, it is very expensive to live here.
Link Posted: 3/10/2005 5:07:14 PM EDT

Originally Posted By Lifesaver:
I cannot explain Colorado's standing in this. We are below some of the blue states. That alone is enough to bother me.


"That others might live."



Probably due to the snobby California transplants.
Link Posted: 3/10/2005 5:08:36 PM EDT

Originally Posted By lazyengineer:

Originally Posted By NH_AR_Shooter:
We're just poor. NH is a pretty low income state, you can't give much when you need every penny just to get by.



I believe the index adjusts for income. Alabama is by no means a rich state, but they still got number 1.



Alabama is far, far cheaper as far as living expense, it has to have an impact. My cousin who lives there likes to rub it in..

Link Posted: 3/10/2005 6:36:08 PM EDT
[Last Edit: 3/10/2005 6:38:08 PM EDT by EricTheHun]
Link Posted: 3/10/2005 6:37:57 PM EDT
Link Posted: 3/10/2005 6:39:17 PM EDT
Link Posted: 3/10/2005 6:48:23 PM EDT

Originally Posted By pv74:
Figures...

Liberals tend to be selfish bastards...



I am not liberal yet I am a selfish bastard.
Link Posted: 3/10/2005 6:52:34 PM EDT

Originally Posted By EricTheHun:
It's not called 'the Bible Belt' for nothing!
Look at Numbers 1, 2, 3, 4, and 5!



TN is close enough to the belt and Utah is Utah, so SD is the only outlier of the top 8.
Who can explain the religious gifting in SD?
Link Posted: 3/10/2005 6:52:44 PM EDT
In Washington, we blow it all on Latte's
Link Posted: 3/10/2005 6:59:30 PM EDT
Interesting. Thanks for posting.
Link Posted: 3/10/2005 7:14:04 PM EDT
Go to the link, the click on the "Having Rank" column title, and it sorts the column by "having rank" that is, who is the richest.

CT is the top. Then NJ. Mass. is #3. You get the idea.

Smug, selfish communists.
Link Posted: 3/10/2005 7:18:35 PM EDT
Link Posted: 3/10/2005 7:21:33 PM EDT

Originally Posted By EricTheHun:

Originally Posted By Paul:
How about comparing the states that paid the most and least amount of federal taxes and which ones got the most and least of federal tax dollars back.



Taxes are NOT voluntary.

Contributions to charity are voluntary.

No matter how you attempt to explain it, you cannot ignore these facts.

Eric The(WiseBeyondHisEars)Hun



sure you can. You only have so much extra money available. If you are paying more in taxes you will have less available for other sources. That only makes sense.
Link Posted: 3/10/2005 7:35:20 PM EDT
liberal socialist never want to put back into the system - they only take...obvious conclusion...
Link Posted: 3/10/2005 7:35:26 PM EDT
Liberals are generous, with other people's money!
Link Posted: 3/10/2005 7:36:41 PM EDT
Also, someone should send this over to DU and let them ponder this. The bastages.
Link Posted: 3/10/2005 7:40:19 PM EDT
[Last Edit: 3/10/2005 7:42:03 PM EDT by EricTheHun]
Link Posted: 3/10/2005 7:49:46 PM EDT
Link Posted: 3/10/2005 9:07:11 PM EDT
[Last Edit: 3/10/2005 9:09:31 PM EDT by Atencio]

Originally Posted By EricTheHun:

All taxes that the citizens of each state pays, including state, local, and federal taxes, are taken into account when determining 'Average Adjusted Gross Income.'



There is more to taxes than just state, federal, and local property taxes. Gasoline and sales taxes are not included in average adjusted gross income at least here in Cali. I think the Feds say you can deduct sales tax or income tax from federal income tax but that only helps people in the 7 or so states don't have income taxes. L.A. County is getting close to 10% sales tax. I can't claim the entire amount of my car registration tax. Even if I can claim my property and state income taxes to come up with an adjusted income on my Federal return that does not make it equal to you living in Texas.

For example, say I pay $10,000 in state income tax. That is money taken from my pay checks over the year. At the end of the year I can claim that on my Federal income tax and depending on how much my total deductions are I might get some of it theoretically back in a refund. You on the other hand, decide to give $10,000 to charity. At the end of the year you can claim that $10,000 on your taxes and get the same theoretical refund back. The difference is that you gave your $10,000 to charity and I gave mine to the state and local governments every two weeks with my paycheck. So, it shows that you are more giving per your charity deductions while I am a cheap bastard. The study makes no mention of this (as far as I can tell).

I would love to see a study that took the following into account: Adjusted income and typical expenses (ie. mortgage, insurance, utilities, typical stuff most people pay) to come up with a real number of disposible income. From that number then do a comparision of donation to disposible income. My hunch is that the state order would not change a whole lot. As you mentioned, I think religion is the key factor for most of the states listed.



You don't do your own taxes, do you?

Eric The(IntriguedAtSomeAnswers)Hun



Nope. Wouldn't represent myself if I went to court, never did my own suspension or brake work on my cars, and will not medically treat myself. Some things I just don't trust myself with
Link Posted: 3/10/2005 9:18:43 PM EDT
where are these ratings coming from?

the site seems quite right wing oriented. where'd they get the numbers?

Chris
Link Posted: 3/10/2005 10:04:40 PM EDT

Originally Posted By Lifesaver:
I cannot explain Colorado's standing in this. We are below some of the blue states. That alone is enough to bother me.


"That others might live."



One word. Aspen.

Link Posted: 3/10/2005 10:06:52 PM EDT
Nice work!
Link Posted: 3/10/2005 10:08:37 PM EDT
Link Posted: 3/10/2005 10:43:00 PM EDT
The LIEberals will just claim that you're not really giving to charity, but just to your church.
Link Posted: 3/10/2005 10:46:38 PM EDT
well god damn, your friend is a genious.
Link Posted: 3/10/2005 10:59:25 PM EDT

Originally Posted By glock23carry:

Originally Posted By NH_AR_Shooter:
We're just poor. NH is a pretty low income state, you can't give much when you need every penny just to get by.



No offense, but based on the time I spent there when my friend was a resident, the only reason people there would be poor is because they spend all their time getting baked up and snowboarding/rock climbing.

G23c



Nice ignorant generalization there. NH_AR_Shooter is right. I pay $700 a month for a place so small I don't even have room for a fucking couch. I have no love seat, no recliner ... no kitchen table or chairs to sit at aside from this one here at my tiny-ass computer desk. I'm lucky if this place is 375 square feet. Homes around here start at about $120,000 if you're lucky (and that's for a doublewide in a mobile park). Average cost of a house seems to be between $250,000 and $500,000. I know a ton of people that work two jobs just to make ends meet.

Yeah, bunch of drugged up selfish bastards we are
Link Posted: 3/11/2005 3:20:19 AM EDT
[Last Edit: 3/11/2005 3:27:06 AM EDT by Atencio]

Originally Posted By EricTheHun:
I'm not understanding a word of that sentence! How can you deduct income tax in 'the 7 or so states that don't have income tax'?

And, trust me, ALL state and local sales taxes are tax-deductible on your FEDERAL income tax return.



According to the Tax Reform Act of 1986 interest on consumer loans and state and local sales taxes were no longer deductible.
The American Jobs Creation Act of 2004 reverses that clause. Unless I am reading it wrong it states that you can deduct either sales tax or state income tax whichever is greater. There are supposed to be various tables for states that have low income tax rates where you can use a determined percentage of both taxes.
Upon looking at it further though it doesn’t fit into my assumptions in one part because it doesn’t go into affect until this year. You misunderstood me on the 7 states statement. My point was that now the citizens in those seven states can now deduct their sales tax. The article mention that this corrects an unfair justice to them. I am still trying to grasp that concept though.


Where you are confused, possibly, is that you are trying to make your own situation different from mine to say that is the source of the disparity.

But the study was done on a state wide basis, and so I am being pitted against other taxpayers in my state and you are being pitted against taxpayers in your state.
State income taxes are deductible in every state in the union. Trust me on this.
If you look at the tables that explain the methodology used in this study, they should explain everything to you.



Yeah I know state income taxes are deductible but that was not my point. It does not matter if I am being compared to everyone else in the state. We are all in the same boat. We all pay state income taxes. Sure we may get that money back at the end of the year. But it is in effect, money not available to us to use for other purposes. You, living in Texas though pay no state income tax. Thus you technically have more money available during the year to donate to charities. I still think this is a possible disparity in the study.

As far as the car registration fees go I can only deduct the vehicle license fee portion. Registration, county, special plate fees, etc are not deductible.
Link Posted: 3/11/2005 3:37:07 AM EDT

Originally Posted By Demordrah:

Originally Posted By glock23carry:

Originally Posted By NH_AR_Shooter:
We're just poor. NH is a pretty low income state, you can't give much when you need every penny just to get by.



No offense, but based on the time I spent there when my friend was a resident, the only reason people there would be poor is because they spend all their time getting baked up and snowboarding/rock climbing.

G23c



Nice ignorant generalization there. NH_AR_Shooter is right. I pay $700 a month for a place so small I don't even have room for a fucking couch. I have no love seat, no recliner ... no kitchen table or chairs to sit at aside from this one here at my tiny-ass computer desk. I'm lucky if this place is 375 square feet. Homes around here start at about $120,000 if you're lucky (and that's for a doublewide in a mobile park). Average cost of a house seems to be between $250,000 and $500,000. I know a ton of people that work two jobs just to make ends meet.

Yeah, bunch of drugged up selfish bastards we are




Well Goddamn man vote with your feet!!!

Link Posted: 3/11/2005 3:48:12 AM EDT

Originally Posted By thebeekeeper1:

Originally Posted By NH_AR_Shooter:
We're just poor. NH is a pretty low income state, you can't give much when you need every penny just to get by.



Yeah, Mississippi is a bunch of rich folks.



Yeah, really. When I read NH_AR_Shooter's comment I laughed my ass off.

Mississippi has been the poorest state in the country for the last SEVERAL years, yet we also get the title of most generous state.

We also have the pleasure of being labeled the "Fattest State", the "Least Livable", and the "Friendliest" (if I remember right).
Link Posted: 3/11/2005 3:53:06 AM EDT
The numbers for NY are about right ,but we get dragged into the blue
column by 50 sq miles that make up NYC metro area
Link Posted: 3/11/2005 4:14:25 AM EDT

It wouldbe interesting to see an overlay of welfare benefits per state. I have a hunch some states have low personal giving because many residents feel it's the government's job to take care of it, that's why we pay taxes. That falls in line with a socialistic view of society.
Link Posted: 3/11/2005 4:19:03 AM EDT
That is fucking amazing. Notice that the few red states that rank up there are those states where more and more blue staters are moving to (NV, AZ, CO) - wow. Kind of lays waste to the "We're caring, we're compassionate" statements of the libs.
Link Posted: 3/11/2005 4:29:42 AM EDT
[Last Edit: 3/11/2005 5:16:45 AM EDT by Aimless]
Link Posted: 3/11/2005 4:38:53 AM EDT
I bet this index included donations/ tithes made to churches, and that skewed the results in favor of the bigger Christian states. I'm not being critical of that, but I think it likely explains this map better than the whiney NE'rs crying about high costs. Things are pricey all over, things may be cheaper in 'Bama, but there are very few NYers working for the low wages paid down south as well.
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