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Posted: 6/15/2006 8:11:22 AM EDT
Decision time. DSA carbine or RRA .308 carbine. Both about the same price. Looking for FAL and .308 AR owners to tell me what is good and bad about both rifles, if anything. I am also curious about accuracy and muzzle climb.

thanks
Link Posted: 6/15/2006 8:14:13 AM EDT
[#1]
Get both
Link Posted: 6/15/2006 8:20:45 AM EDT
[#2]

Quoted:
Get both



Dont say it, my bank account will die!
Link Posted: 6/15/2006 8:21:04 AM EDT
[#3]
Accuracy=AR, reliability=FAL. Muzzle climb, depends on the comp or flash protector you use. My FALs don't climb much, no .308 AR to compare it with. Ergonomics are better with the AR but I like the charging handle better on the FAL then on the AR.

The ability to regulate the gas is a + on the FAL to me.
Link Posted: 6/15/2006 8:22:43 AM EDT
[#4]

Quoted:
Accuracy=AR, reliability=FAL. Muzzle climb, depends on the comp or flash protector you use. My FALs don't climb much, no .308 AR to compare it with. Ergonomics are better with the AR but I like the charging handle better on the FAL then on the AR.

The ability to regulate the gas is a + on the FAL to me.


so a....which would you  choose then
Link Posted: 6/15/2006 8:22:46 AM EDT
[#5]
FAL, more stout and a proven weapon.
Link Posted: 6/15/2006 8:26:09 AM EDT
[#6]
I'm kind of leaning toward FAL myself, but not for any intelligent reason.

I would handle both and see which feels better for you.  Even better if you actually get to shoot them.



-K
Link Posted: 6/15/2006 8:31:01 AM EDT
[#7]
If you believe in keeping a spare parts kit factor that in as well.

If a RRA .308 is any better than

I couldn't stand it.
Link Posted: 6/15/2006 8:31:26 AM EDT
[#8]
FAL
Link Posted: 6/15/2006 8:34:03 AM EDT
[#9]

Quoted:
Accuracy=AR, reliability=FAL. Muzzle climb, depends on the comp or flash protector you use. My FALs don't climb much, no .308 AR to compare it with. Ergonomics are better with the AR but I like the charging handle better on the FAL then on the AR.

The ability to regulate the gas is a + on the FAL to me.



FAL Newbie here. When you order a FAL NIB from lets say DSA do you have to adjust this before shooting it?
Link Posted: 6/15/2006 8:36:19 AM EDT
[#10]

Quoted:
If you believe in keeping a spare parts kit factor that in as well.

If a RRA .308 is any better than
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I couldn't stand it.



Dear god that is beautiful. Damn
Link Posted: 6/15/2006 8:36:45 AM EDT
[#11]

Quoted:

Quoted:
Accuracy=AR, reliability=FAL. Muzzle climb, depends on the comp or flash protector you use. My FALs don't climb much, no .308 AR to compare it with. Ergonomics are better with the AR but I like the charging handle better on the FAL then on the AR.

The ability to regulate the gas is a + on the FAL to me.


so a....which would you  choose then



I own 2 FALs and NO .308 ARs. My other .308s are the M1A/M14 and the Garand.

I got into the .308 pretty heavy just as TSHTF on the breaking lugs on the Bushie. That was just a poor design, but I still think the AR/M series works best long term with the 5.56 round. The mags are certainly cheaper on the FAL system.

If, after a few years, the .308 AR is still running strong with plenty of aftermarket parts and good reasonably priced mags, I'll probably get one.
Link Posted: 6/15/2006 8:56:25 AM EDT
[#12]

Quoted:

Quoted:
If you believe in keeping a spare parts kit factor that in as well.

If a RRA .308 is any better than
i13.photobucket.com/albums/a288/callgood/sa58stdpara.gif
I couldn't stand it.



Dear god that is beautiful. Damn



Only "bling" I added was the carry handle and the ED scope mount for an IOR scope. It's a sweetie.
Link Posted: 6/15/2006 9:00:19 AM EDT
[#13]
FALs are cool, and that para looks cool and i like the way the folder works too..

but.. aren't AR configed 308s being issued to troups in the middle beast? and also the feds use em too when they go auto as opposed to bolt config..
Link Posted: 6/15/2006 9:03:24 AM EDT
[#14]
Link Posted: 6/15/2006 9:06:59 AM EDT
[#15]
No .308 AR's in the movie Heat
Link Posted: 6/15/2006 9:11:39 AM EDT
[#16]
FAL. You can still put one together if you want. Or, like you said buy one from DSA.

A small hint, 18 in. barrels are noisey but handy. Avoid the muzzle brake as it is noisey as well. Besides, flash hiders are cool.
Link Posted: 6/15/2006 9:13:56 AM EDT
[#17]
$900.00 DPMS Panther 308 LRB - Gun Tests Magazine picked it over the Armalite ($1,600.00) and also gave Bushmaster (Now RRA 308) a "Do Not Buy" rating, IIRC...The idea of cheap FAL mags is real appealing in theory, but apparently don't work too well in AR configurations.

This is what my Panther 308 LRB did yesterday at Red Castle Gun Club, 100 yards, sub 1/2 moa (scope zero'd at 200 yards, so POI is about 3 inches high at 100 yards)

To all the "it's not an Armalite" - AR10 snobs, put up or shut up...






Link Posted: 6/15/2006 9:15:19 AM EDT
[#18]
Of the two, FAL.
Link Posted: 6/15/2006 9:17:47 AM EDT
[#19]
FAL !
Link Posted: 6/15/2006 9:20:37 AM EDT
[#20]
M1A
Link Posted: 6/15/2006 9:21:18 AM EDT
[#21]

Quoted:
Get both



Link Posted: 6/15/2006 9:25:12 AM EDT
[#22]

Quoted:
FAL, more stout and a proven weapon.



Having never owned either, I would agree.

I am NimmerMehr and I endorse the FAL.



Message brought* to you by Friends for FAL.

Should it not be spelled brawt, not brewguhuhtut.
Link Posted: 6/15/2006 9:26:15 AM EDT
[#23]
Get a FAL if you want a battle rifle.  Get an AR10 if you want a precision rifle.
Link Posted: 6/15/2006 9:40:06 AM EDT
[#24]

Quoted:
Decision time. DSA carbine or RRA .308 carbine. Both about the same price. Looking for FAL and .308 AR owners to tell me what is good and bad about both rifles, if anything. I am also curious about accuracy and muzzle climb.

thanks



When you say "about the same cost" you mean the gun.  Factor in the cost of 20 magazines, and then look at the numbers.
I, btw, am working through the same decision myself for this fall.  I do believe the FAL is going to win.

Larry
Link Posted: 6/15/2006 9:50:22 AM EDT
[#25]
I'm would have to go with the AR. it's a little more modular than the FAL.
Link Posted: 6/15/2006 10:02:01 AM EDT
[#26]
FAL hell you can get mags for it as little as $5 a pop some places cheaper.
Link Posted: 6/15/2006 10:21:39 AM EDT
[#27]

Quoted:
Decision time. DSA carbine or RRA .308 carbine. Both about the same price. Looking for FAL and .308 AR owners to tell me what is good and bad about both rifles, if anything. I am also curious about accuracy and muzzle climb.

thanks



The AR as the potential for significantly better accuracy.
Link Posted: 6/15/2006 10:46:41 AM EDT
[#28]
FAL.  I have tried both, and bought a FAL.
Link Posted: 6/15/2006 11:16:16 AM EDT
[#29]

Quoted:
FAL.  I have tried both, and bought a FAL.



I have owned both; and now just own two FALs (one is a para.).
Link Posted: 6/15/2006 11:45:54 AM EDT
[#30]
I don't know much about .308 AR type rifles and never played with one.

But...My almost all Imbel FAL will shoot 1.5 to 2 MOA with 150gr Win Silvertips + Nikon 4x scope. It has a pretty heavy trigger. Once I get the trigger lightened up a bit, I'll prob get 1.5 MOA consistantly (with that ammo). I think that's good enough for a rifle of this type. Should be good for any hunting, plinking or defensive needs you might have.

FAL is very easy to work on. I've had several FAL's over the years and the only thing I've ever seen fail is a firing pin. You can change the firing pin in about 30 seconds if you have a spare in your kit.

FAL parts are easy to get and not too pricey. My FAL runs 100% and is very quick and easy to clean.

Shot it this weekend with the Aimpoint. My Cousins and my son and I were busting rocks with it and trying to see who could shoot the fastest. Lots of brass in the air at one time and it never missed a beat. Too much fun!

Get an FAL for all around use and some type of bolt action rifle for the precision uses if needed.

+ 10,000 for the FAL,

Flyer
Link Posted: 6/15/2006 11:49:26 AM EDT
[#31]
I love FALs.
Link Posted: 6/15/2006 11:53:20 AM EDT
[#32]
My AR-10 will put 18 out of 20 rounds in a pie-plate at 550 meters. That is with a chrome lined 20" barrel and single stage trigger.
Link Posted: 6/15/2006 12:50:21 PM EDT
[#33]

Quoted:
Decision time. DSA carbine or RRA .308 carbine. Both about the same price. Looking for FAL and .308 AR owners to tell me what is good and bad about both rifles, if anything. I am also curious about accuracy and muzzle climb.

thanks



You might wait for quite some time on the RRA .308.  It's not even in production yet.
Link Posted: 6/15/2006 12:51:04 PM EDT
[#34]

Quoted:
If, after a few years, the .308 AR is still running strong with plenty of aftermarket parts and good reasonably priced mags, I'll probably get one.



How many years are a "few years"?
Link Posted: 6/15/2006 1:31:44 PM EDT
[#35]
FAL!!

I got mine a few weeks ago but never shot an AR10 so I'm talking out my ass.

I just said FAL because I like mine so much

The plusses are cheap mags, learning a new platform, CHEAP kits! (i mean, damn..$150??? shiii)

Get a FAL, Imbel receiver if you can find one.
Link Posted: 6/15/2006 1:38:20 PM EDT
[#36]
Here's the link to my new FAL in the GA HTF with pics, 11 pics so 56k watch out!
e­ta: eeks! I said AR!
Link Posted: 6/15/2006 1:54:44 PM EDT
[#37]
FAL.   Mags are cheap, ammo is cheap.
Link Posted: 6/15/2006 2:31:35 PM EDT
[#38]
Wanna beat a door down in as FIBUA situation...FAL
Use various 308ammo...FAL
Go to Bisely and catch second place with the brit army as a young soldier...FAL
Use Bren gun mags for 30 rounds...FAL
Sleep easy knowing nothing will break or fail...FAL

Marcus
Link Posted: 6/15/2006 6:45:39 PM EDT
[#39]
FN FAL








thats my choice
Link Posted: 6/15/2006 6:52:08 PM EDT
[#40]
How 'boua gas piston AR in .308!
Link Posted: 6/15/2006 7:00:17 PM EDT
[#41]
FAL all the way. More reliable, and it's like the AK of 308 guns.

Link Posted: 6/15/2006 7:14:16 PM EDT
[#42]
Check out these threads for more info on the DPMS 308.  There is a reason that they are hard to find in stock.  Guys are getting 1/2 to 1 moa with mil surplus ammo!  And they are reliable.  I was having a hard time deciding wether to go with a FAL or JLD a few months ago,  then I shot a DPMS 308 and was hooked.  Just for the record I used to own an Armalite AR-10T.

http://www.ar15.com/forums/topic.html?b=3&f=121&t=285338

http://www.ar15.com/forums/topic.html?b=3&f=121&t=273058

ETA-  I recently read an article on a gas piston DPMS that will probably be available when DPMS catches up with demand.  Or, you could install an adjustable gas block or tube.
Link Posted: 6/15/2006 7:30:23 PM EDT
[#43]
I have shot all the .308s extensively.  Go with the FAL.  Ninety-three countries issued them.  If it had been made in America, we would have issued them most likely.  

Spare parts are everywhere.  They are so easy to strip and replace parts.  

I put a 24x on mine a few weeks back.  I ran one of those sniper cubes all over the berm from 200.  My L1A1 clone is very capable in the accuracy department.  Mags are cheap and everywhere.  Plus, they are out now.  The RRAs will need to be tested.  Do you want your one .308 battle rifle to be experimental or rock solid?  If you want rock solid, go F-A-L.
Link Posted: 6/15/2006 7:38:55 PM EDT
[#44]
FAL all the way.  Pics of me with my FAL and other gear









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