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Posted: 12/18/2016 1:27:44 PM EST
is the 5 liter in tge F150 tge same as the coyote in the Mustang? the V8 in tge truck is described as gutless compared to the boosted 6 banger so I doubt it but what are the differences? are similar bolt on upgrades available for the truck 5.0 ? I am considering a new F150 and the V8 is far more common and cheaper then the ecoboost.
Link Posted: 12/18/2016 1:29:34 PM EST
[Last Edit: 12/18/2016 1:30:14 PM EST by Sputnik556]
I haven't driven a new one, but the older 5.0s didn't seem "gutless" at all.

With that being said, that Ecoboost V6 is nothing to complain about.
Link Posted: 12/18/2016 1:32:18 PM EST
[Last Edit: 12/18/2016 1:32:56 PM EST by Macumazahn]
Do you want a 5.0 liter exactly?

My 5.4 v8 has plenty of power. No problem there.
Link Posted: 12/18/2016 1:32:58 PM EST
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Originally Posted By Sputnik556:
I haven't driven a new one, but the older 5.0s didn't seem "gutless" at all.

With that being said, that Ecoboost V6 is nothing to complain about.
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FPDNI

"didnt"
Link Posted: 12/18/2016 1:39:16 PM EST
F150 5.0 is tuned a bit different to give it more torque and has a bit lower compression ratio- slightly shorter stroke if I am not mistaken.

Anyways f150 5.0 is a very good v8 nothing to complain about.
Link Posted: 12/18/2016 1:40:30 PM EST
Always get the V8.
Link Posted: 12/18/2016 1:51:32 PM EST
The 5.0 has plenty of power. The newer engines have even more power than mine. In a lighter truck. If you're planning to tow a lot maybe get the Eco. If you trade every few years maybe get the Eco. If you keep your vehicles for a long time the 5.0 should have fewer costs pop up.
Link Posted: 12/18/2016 1:56:06 PM EST
Damn... what are you coming from if you think the coyote is gutless?

Ive got the 5.4 triton and it seems fine to me within its operating expectations, my buddies coyote is even better.
Link Posted: 12/18/2016 1:56:44 PM EST
[Last Edit: 12/18/2016 2:01:44 PM EST by dcat]
OP, google is your friend. For a short course try wiki 5.0 coyote. Also F150 forum.

Same castings, tuned for torque in F-150, tuned for HP in Mustang.

5.0 and EB have different characteristics - EB has good torque at low end and runs great empty, also tows good at higher altitude due to boost. 5.0 tows great however and IMO is a better engine for towing all the time. The 5.0 comes alive at higher RPM. Real world fuel mileage is almost a wash around town, 5.0 better mileage towing.
Link Posted: 12/18/2016 1:58:10 PM EST
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Originally Posted By FL4REAL:
The 5.0 has plenty of power. The newer engines have even more power than mine. In a lighter truck. If you're planning to tow a lot maybe get the Eco. If you trade every few years maybe get the Eco. If you keep your vehicles for a long time the 5.0 should have fewer costs pop up.
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No.
Get the V8, especially if you tow something.
Link Posted: 12/18/2016 2:00:54 PM EST
The 5.0 in my 2015 F-150 is rated at 385hp. I wouldn't call that gutless at all. It gets up and goes.

I still find it funny that back in the 90s guys were blowing their loads over 250hp 9mpg big blocks.
Link Posted: 12/18/2016 2:01:06 PM EST
Yes, same Coyote engine. Different tuning and different gears.
Link Posted: 12/18/2016 2:01:22 PM EST
In what universe is 360/380 "gutless"?
Link Posted: 12/18/2016 2:08:15 PM EST
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Originally Posted By Observer:
Damn... what are you coming from if you think the coyote is gutless?

Ive got the 5.4 triton and it seems fine to me within its operating expectations, my buddies coyote is even better.
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coming from a 380/850 cummins but don't expect that since I don't need it. the reading I have done online really touts the 3.5 ecoboost as the motor to have across-the-board. they make the V8 sounds very weak compared to the blown motors. I would prefer a NA V8 upfront especially if I can add some performance enhancements down the road to free up some more power.
Link Posted: 12/18/2016 2:10:22 PM EST
6.2L
Link Posted: 12/18/2016 2:11:28 PM EST
[Last Edit: 12/18/2016 2:42:45 PM EST by atblis]
I have a hard time believing the 5.0 tows better than the 3.5 EB. In fact, I'll go ahead and throw the B.S. flag. It might get slightly better fuel mileage while towing, but that's about it and that's because it's doing it slower. Throttle back the 3.5, and I bet it gets better mpgs. In terms of area under the curve, the 3.5 EB obliterates the 5.0. The 3.5 EB makes more torque at all RPMs except nearing the redlines. There's no way the 5.0 tows better.

http://news.pickuptrucks.com/2011/04/how-we-dyno-tested-fords-3-5-liter-ecoboost-v6-and-5-0-liter-v8-engines.html



http://www.caranddriver.com/comparisons/2016-ford-f-150-50l-v-8-4x4-vs-2016-ford-f-150-35l-ecoboost-4x4-performance-data-and-complete-specs-page-4

http://www.torquenews.com/106/2016-ford-f150-work-50l-v8-vs-35l-ecoboost-v6
Link Posted: 12/18/2016 2:13:16 PM EST
I have a 13 F150, I'm very pleased with the 5.0. All of the current 1/2ton pickup motor options are leaps and bounds better than the motors from 10 years ago.
Link Posted: 12/18/2016 2:13:19 PM EST
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Originally Posted By itsARanchrifle:

No.
Get the V8, especially if you tow something.
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No, not really. The Eco has much more torque, at a lower RPM.
Link Posted: 12/18/2016 2:23:54 PM EST
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Originally Posted By hkx3:


FPDNI

"didnt"
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A lot of people like to hate on that V6, but they generally have no experience with it.
Link Posted: 12/18/2016 2:25:21 PM EST
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Originally Posted By FL4REAL:

No, not really. The Eco has much more torque, at a lower RPM.
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Dat gas mileage tho'.
Link Posted: 12/18/2016 2:31:19 PM EST
Rollin' in your 5.0
With the tailgate down so the wind can flow
Link Posted: 12/18/2016 2:56:46 PM EST
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Originally Posted By itsARanchrifle:

Dat gas mileage tho'.
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I doubt the MPG will be much different. Gas trucks aren't going to get good numbers while towing heavy no matter what. MPG is also heavily dependent on driving style.
Link Posted: 12/18/2016 2:59:49 PM EST
I'm sure they are different. Trucks have no need for a 7k redline, short stroke and 4 valve heads.
Link Posted: 12/18/2016 3:04:02 PM EST
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Originally Posted By tombr0:
6.2L
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Test drove the 2016 6.2 before I bought the 2016 5.0. 6.2 was a SLUG. 5.0 runs good and I added a K&N that brings HP to 400. My buddy that drives a 5.4 GMC was impressed to day when I "stretched the 5.0 legs" a little today.
Link Posted: 12/18/2016 3:05:22 PM EST
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Originally Posted By 1811guy:
Rollin' in your 5.0
With the tailgate down so the wind can flow
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Tailgate up for better fuel mileage
Link Posted: 12/18/2016 3:08:16 PM EST
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Originally Posted By GetGunz:


Test drove the 2016 6.2 before I bought the 2016 5.0. 6.2 was a SLUG. 5.0 runs good and I added a K&N that brings HP to 400. My buddy that drives a 5.4 GMC was impressed to day when I "stretched the 5.0 legs" a little today.
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That much horsepower from an intake?
Link Posted: 12/18/2016 3:11:25 PM EST
Having towed a ~6500lb travel trailer with both, I'd pick the 3.5L EB everytime. Throw hills/elevation into the mix and it's no contest. That "little" V6 is a beast in a half-ton pickup. Torque everywhere. (For a gasser, that is.)
Link Posted: 12/18/2016 3:14:32 PM EST
I see for 2017 the 3.5 Eco is only available with the new 10 speed transmission. I'd for sure pass on that for a few years.
Link Posted: 12/18/2016 3:28:09 PM EST
I'd get the 5.0.  That's a really nice motor.  The EcoBoost has plenty of power BUT durability with the turbo seems like an issue to me.  That's really expensive if you blow that up.  I'd rather just go the NA 5.0 instead.  I had a 2010 with the 4.6, and it was pretty gutless compared to a lot of trucks out there these days, but I didn't really have a problem with it and it had a reputation for running forever.  That is more important to me in a truck than 1/4 mile times.
Link Posted: 12/18/2016 3:28:44 PM EST
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Originally Posted By itsARanchrifle:

Dat gas mileage tho'.
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You mean the mileage that is the same as the V-8, but with much more power under the curve?

Cute wittle v8's! LOL


In all honesty, the 5.0 is a great engine, but not as proven as the ECO. If I was towing at all, I would get the Ego-Boost though.
Link Posted: 12/18/2016 3:34:34 PM EST
My 2015 5.0 blows the doors off of my old 5.4
Link Posted: 12/18/2016 3:45:31 PM EST
Link Posted: 12/18/2016 3:48:13 PM EST
I see for 2017 the 3.5 Eco is only available with the new 10 speed transmission. I'd for sure pass on that for a few years.
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Absolutely. Give it a couple years at least.
Link Posted: 12/18/2016 4:16:39 PM EST
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Originally Posted By lotsagas4u:
My 2015 5.0 blows the doors off of my old 5.4
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My 2016 5.0 blows the doors off all other F-150s thus far.

'course, the Roush supercharger helps.
Link Posted: 12/18/2016 4:24:05 PM EST
it is not a F150 unless it has a v8 has always been my thinking
Link Posted: 12/18/2016 4:30:10 PM EST
The 300 I6 had a pretty good run.
Link Posted: 12/18/2016 4:34:28 PM EST
Just get a v6 Mustang
Link Posted: 12/18/2016 4:35:43 PM EST
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Originally Posted By GetGunz:


Test drove the 2016 6.2 before I bought the 2016 5.0. 6.2 was a SLUG. 5.0 runs good and I added a K&N that brings HP to 400. My buddy that drives a 5.4 GMC was impressed to day when I "stretched the 5.0 legs" a little today.
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The 6.2 hasn't been available in the F-150 since 2014 and a K&N filter didn't add 15hp.
Link Posted: 12/18/2016 4:37:38 PM EST
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Originally Posted By lotsagas4u:
My 2015 5.0 blows the doors off of my old 5.4
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Most things blow the doors off an old 5.4. (Owns a 5.4 )
Link Posted: 12/18/2016 4:44:54 PM EST
[Last Edit: 12/18/2016 4:52:55 PM EST by Interceptor_Knight]
No.... The F150 and the Mustang GT engines are different. While the head and block castings may be the same, there are several differences including Cams, Intake manifold, Exhaust Manifolds and Pistons which effect the compression ratio, The Mustang uses oil spray to cool the pistons and the F150 engine does not.

Originally Posted By 03PSD:
the V8 in tge truck is described as gutless compared to the boosted 6 banger
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A 5.0 with 3.73 gears will tow anything you want it to with little effort. At near 390 lb-ft of torque it is not anywhere near gutless...
Link Posted: 12/18/2016 4:49:26 PM EST
I love how there is only one or two posts addressing the original question and the rest are pissing match.

I know the cams are different but I think it's just the exhaust cams. Maybe pistons too but it's been a while since I looked it up.
Link Posted: 12/18/2016 4:49:53 PM EST
FWIW, I think the oil spray went a way in 2013.
Link Posted: 12/18/2016 4:49:55 PM EST
[Last Edit: 12/19/2016 1:25:29 PM EST by jwb211]
....
Link Posted: 12/18/2016 4:53:52 PM EST
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Originally Posted By 03PSD:

coming from a 380/850 cummins but don't expect that since I don't need it. the reading I have done online really touts the 3.5 ecoboost as the motor to have across-the-board. they make the V8 sounds very weak compared to the blown motors. I would prefer a NA V8 upfront especially if I can add some performance enhancements down the road to free up some more power.
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The 3.5 makes it's torque at a lower RPM and has a flatter curve.  If you want max usable power, the 3.5 is the one to beat.  The v8 will last longer but requires more RPM to make it's power and it has a much narrower power band.  

If I didn't tow much and wanted to keep it a while, the v8 is where it's at.  If you tow a lot or you are going to keep it 4-5 years and trade it....the 3.5 will be a better option.
Link Posted: 12/18/2016 6:03:43 PM EST
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Originally Posted By PresidentJ:
F150 5.0 is tuned a bit different to give it more torque and has a bit lower compression ratio- slightly shorter stroke if I am not mistaken.

Anyways f150 5.0 is a very good v8 nothing to complain about.
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I've been "out" of the car thing for a long time, but if both are 5 liter engines and one has a "shorter stroke" then the short stroke engine would have to have larger diameter pistons to remain a full 5 liter displacement, wouldn't it? Sounds like a different motor.
Link Posted: 12/18/2016 6:12:06 PM EST
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Originally Posted By Macumazahn:
Do you want a 5.0 liter exactly?

My 5.4 v8 has plenty of power. No problem there.
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I have had both.  The 5.0 is WAY better than the 5.4.
Link Posted: 12/18/2016 6:12:33 PM EST
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Originally Posted By TrickyVic:


I've been "out" of the car thing for a long time, but if both are 5 liter engines and one has a "shorter stroke" then the short stroke engine would have to have larger diameter pistons to remain a full 5 liter displacement, wouldn't it? Sounds like a different motor.
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I don't think the stroke is different but regardless pretty much none of the factory motors are exactly what they are badged as.
Link Posted: 12/18/2016 6:31:01 PM EST
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Originally Posted By atblis:
I have a hard time believing the 5.0 tows better than the 3.5 EB. In fact, I'll go ahead and throw the B.S. flag. It might get slightly better fuel mileage while towing, but that's about it and that's because it's doing it slower. Throttle back the 3.5, and I bet it gets better mpgs. In terms of area under the curve, the 3.5 EB obliterates the 5.0. The 3.5 EB makes more torque at all RPMs except nearing the redlines. There's no way the 5.0 tows better.

http://news.pickuptrucks.com/2011/04/how-we-dyno-tested-fords-3-5-liter-ecoboost-v6-and-5-0-liter-v8-engines.html

http://blogs.cars.com/.a/6a00d83451b3c669e2015431f2b44d970c-800wi

http://www.caranddriver.com/comparisons/2016-ford-f-150-50l-v-8-4x4-vs-2016-ford-f-150-35l-ecoboost-4x4-performance-data-and-complete-specs-page-4

http://www.torquenews.com/106/2016-ford-f150-work-50l-v8-vs-35l-ecoboost-v6
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Well, I can call BS on you call for BS, I can give two fucks less what that chart shows.

The 3.5 EB certainly does tow better than the 5.0. It will not get better fuel mileage while doing it. BTDT. The 5.0 will probably be happier after a few years than the 3.5EB wear and tear wise.

The 3.5 EB was a fuel sucking pig in all three versions I had. The 5.0 on the other hand... Not great, But way better than the 3.5 EB gas burners.

My last run was in a 2014 limited to Wichita KS. Wife, Father and two kids. about 100 lbs of cargo. 14 MPG! The 5.0 would do 18 towing a 30 foot camper.

These are what I saw realistically.
2013 F-150 5.0 20 MPG best long trip.
2014 F-150 eco base. 18 MPG best long trip. (over 350 Miles)
2013 F-150 eco King ranch. 19 MPG best long trip. (over 350 Miles)
2014 F-150 eco Limited. 14.7 MPG to Wichita!

2015 Chevrolet Silverado LT 5.3 23 MPG to OKC from ND.
Link Posted: 12/18/2016 6:39:19 PM EST
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Originally Posted By Goodn:



Well, I can call BS on you call for BS, I can give two fucks less what that chart shows.

The 3.5 EB certainly does tow better than the 5.0. It will not get better fuel mileage while doing it. BTDT. The 5.0 will probably be happier after a few years than the 3.5EB wear and tear wise.

The 3.5 EB was a fuel sucking pig in all three versions I had. The 5.0 on the other hand... Not great, But way better than the 3.5 EB gas burners.

My last run was in a 2014 limited to Wichita KS. Wife, Father and two kids. about 100 lbs of cargo. 14 MPG! The 5.0 would do 18 towing a 30 foot camper.

These are what I saw realistically.
2013 F-150 5.0 20 MPG best long trip.
2014 F-150 eco base. 18 MPG best long trip. (over 350 Miles)
2013 F-150 eco King ranch. 19 MPG best long trip. (over 350 Miles)
2014 F-150 eco Limited. 14.7 MPG to Wichita!

2015 Chevrolet Silverado LT 5.3 23 MPG to OKC from ND.
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LMAO. Sure it would. I have a 13 5.0. It doesn't get 18 with no load. I drive like grandpa. I suppose on a trip I could could get 18 with no load and kept it a 55 the whole way.
Link Posted: 12/18/2016 6:47:14 PM EST
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Originally Posted By FL4REAL:
LMAO. Sure it would. I have a 13 5.0. It doesn't get 18 with no load. I drive like grandpa. I suppose on a trip I could could get 18 with no load and kept it a 55 the whole way.
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Whatever blows your skirt up I guess. Those are the results I saw.

Take it or leave it.
Link Posted: 12/18/2016 6:55:47 PM EST
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Originally Posted By Goodn:



Whatever blows your skirt up I guess. Those are the results I saw.

Take it or leave it.
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It appears you didn't tow anything. You have no results to see. Best long trip empty doesn't tell us anything about how they would do towing. It really tells us little about fuel consumption. That's tracked by hand calculations over tens of thousands of miles. I've have variations of 2-3 mpg between tanks for no reason whatsoever. Clearly fuel variations have a huge impact.
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