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Posted: 12/19/2016 9:52:11 AM EST
So, I'm just curious, can anyone explain to me exactly what the libtards want?

They can't, I've asked.  

The only thing I can imagine that they, as a whole, want is some socialist utopia where everything is free, they don't have to think or work - they just get told what to think, wear, eat, etc. and no one person has more material possessions than the other.  Socialism.

Then, once they get what they want and have it long enough to realize their mistake, they don't want it anymore and they'll want "freedom".

Am I right?  Who the hell in their right mind would want that?  I just can't wrap my mind around it.  Yet, I've been called stupid for not understanding their ways.  
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Everything
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Liberalism is a mental disorder.
Link Posted: 12/19/2016 9:59:33 AM EST
If they can't explain, how do you expect someone else to be able to?

Or, it is a mental illness
Link Posted: 12/19/2016 10:00:33 AM EST
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Originally Posted By Toybasher:
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I agree.  It must be.

I've encountered people that I grew up with and knew very well most of their lives and years later cross paths with them and realize that they are 180 degrees different than I am politically.  How the hell does that happen?
Link Posted: 12/19/2016 10:01:23 AM EST
Easy. They want whatever the liberal media programs them to want. Right now they're screaming "A woman's place is in the White House". Someday, a Republican woman will be running for president...and we came close with Carly Fiorina...and these liberals will spontaneously come down with amnesia and insist "we shouldn't elect a president just because they have a Vagina".

Anyone want to take that bet?
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Originally Posted By CMB69:
If they can't explain, how do you expect someone else to be able to?

Or, it is a mental illness
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I get it and I agree.

Every time I start to discuss "views" with these libtards all I ever wind up getting is "you just don't understand" (and that's if they're not screaming at me).  When I ask "please make me understand", they normally just walk away.

I have yet to meet one that can really articulate their views and how all of it is supposed to work.  They just tell me that I "don't get it" and, guess what, I don't.

Link Posted: 12/19/2016 10:04:12 AM EST
Basically they want Europe.......because their college professor told them how get the Germans , French , etc have it. Of course they only mean the hip and trendy parts.
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Originally Posted By GoodOlDave:
Easy. They want whatever the liberal media programs them to want. Right now they're screaming "A woman's place is in the White House". Someday, a Republican woman will be running for president...and we came close with Carly Fiorina...and these liberals will spontaneously come down with amnesia and insist "we shouldn't elect a president just because they have a Vagina".

Anyone want to take that bet?
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I wouldn't take that bet, because you're spot on
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Originally Posted By GoodOlDave:
Easy. They want whatever the liberal media programs them to want. Right now they're screaming "A woman's place is in the White House". Someday, a Republican woman will be running for president...and we came close with Carly Fiorina...and these liberals will spontaneously come down with amnesia and insist "we shouldn't elect a president just because they have a Vagina".

Anyone want to take that bet?
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OK, but where does the media's liberalism come from?  Philosophical question. 

Somebody(s) has to be steering that ship and the original ideas have to come from somewhere.  I'm seriously leaning toward mass mental illness for these folks.
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Originally Posted By neilbedwell:
OK, but where does the media's liberalism come from?  Philosophical question. 

Somebody(s) has to be steering that ship and the original ideas have to come from somewhere.  I'm seriously leaning toward mass mental illness for these folks.
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Originally Posted By neilbedwell:
Originally Posted By GoodOlDave:
Easy. They want whatever the liberal media programs them to want. Right now they're screaming "A woman's place is in the White House". Someday, a Republican woman will be running for president...and we came close with Carly Fiorina...and these liberals will spontaneously come down with amnesia and insist "we shouldn't elect a president just because they have a Vagina".

Anyone want to take that bet?
OK, but where does the media's liberalism come from?  Philosophical question. 

Somebody(s) has to be steering that ship and the original ideas have to come from somewhere.  I'm seriously leaning toward mass mental illness for these folks.

Marx, Engels, and 150 years of assorted useful idiots.

Along with 150 years of grifters taking advantage of same to gain power.
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Originally Posted By John_Wayne777:
Utopia.

Utopia defined as a society where they have absolute control over every thought and deed. Where no dissent is possible, and where their assumed superiority over others is venerated and codified into law, power, and wealth.

And they're willing to spill unbelievable amounts of blood to get it.
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As long as it's other people's blood and not their own, the same as with money.
Link Posted: 12/19/2016 10:13:41 AM EST
I believe they hate themselves and want to bring us all down to their level of misery.
Link Posted: 12/19/2016 10:19:48 AM EST
Liberal is a misnomer. To identify what they want is to properly name them.

They are progressives. What do they want? The culture of the USofA destroyed.

Why do they want this? Does it really matter? We all know their ability to perform critical thinking is nonexistent. Their decision is based on emotion, therefore it will be impossible to reason them out of it.
Link Posted: 12/19/2016 10:25:59 AM EST
Here is the best explanation I have found.

http://www.realclearpolitics.com/2013/01/02/risk_relativism_and_resources_298908.html
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And Nothing.

They just want everything to be not what it is now.  And when they get what they want, they want what they got rid of.

They are contrarians.  They suffer from a superiority complex.  They think that to be superior they must think and act differently than the satus quo to prove it.  So they stand for constant change for the sake of change.  They don't know history and are therefore traveling in a circle.  This is why they wailed about global cooling in the 70's and global warming in the 90's.  In the 70's, in Berkley, they screamed to eliminate paper and cardboard packaging at McDonald's and in the 90's or aught's they screamed to replace foam packaging with paper products.

They are insane.  You can't reason with them.  It's not about reason.  It's about the superiority they think they have.  This is why they are condescending to you, why they tell you that you don't understand and why they feel the need to use force against you.
Link Posted: 12/19/2016 10:48:21 AM EST
They want a socialist utopia, but without the terror, murder, slavery, government-backed inequality, theft, and poverty of actual socialist countries.

They want a fantasy.
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Got to go with this.
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Originally Posted By Houstons_Problem:

And Nothing.

They just want everything to be not what it is now.  And when they get what they want, they want what they got rid of.

They are contrarians.  They suffer from a superiority complex.  They think that to be superior they must think and act differently than the satus quo to prove it.  So they stand for constant change for the sake of change.  They don't know history and are therefore traveling in a circle.  This is why they wailed about global cooling in the 70's and global warming in the 90's.  In the 70's, in Berkley, they screamed to eliminate paper and cardboard packaging at McDonald's and in the 90's or aught's they screamed to replace foam packaging with paper products.

They are insane.  You can't reason with them.  It's not about reason.  It's about the superiority they think they have.  This is why they are condescending to you, why they tell you that you don't understand and why they feel the need to use force against you.
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This, right here, is a LOT of what I have been thinking but didn't want to say without some sort of corroboration.  
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Originally Posted By neilbedwell:
OK, but where does the media's liberalism come from?  Philosophical question. 

Somebody(s) has to be steering that ship and the original ideas have to come from somewhere.  I'm seriously leaning toward mass mental illness for these folks.
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The press believes that they will have a place at the table for being the mouthpiece for our socialist overlords.
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Originally Posted By neilbedwell:
I get it and I agree.

Every time I start to discuss "views" with these libtards all I ever wind up getting is "you just don't understand" (and that's if they're not screaming at me).  When I ask "please make me understand", they normally just walk away.

I have yet to meet one that can really articulate their views and how all of it is supposed to work.  They just tell me that I "don't get it" and, guess what, I don't.
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Originally Posted By neilbedwell:
Originally Posted By CMB69:
If they can't explain, how do you expect someone else to be able to?

Or, it is a mental illness
I get it and I agree.

Every time I start to discuss "views" with these libtards all I ever wind up getting is "you just don't understand" (and that's if they're not screaming at me).  When I ask "please make me understand", they normally just walk away.

I have yet to meet one that can really articulate their views and how all of it is supposed to work.  They just tell me that I "don't get it" and, guess what, I don't.

Put very simply, they're Communists. Period dot. They are just Commies who won't pull the trigger on the murder machine they advocate themselves, and need proxies.
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Originally Posted By felrom:
They want a socialist utopia, but without the terror, murder, slavery, government-backed inequality, theft, and poverty of actual socialist countries.

They want a fantasy.
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This.

I've got old friends that I went to school with who are now filthy rich living in Kalifornia who truly believe that they can make that fantasy a reality and that if Hitlery had been elected they'd be one step closer.

No amount of reason, regardless of how truly intelligent they are, is enough to sway them.

Sad, really.
Link Posted: 12/19/2016 10:55:57 AM EST
The true end game of the "real" Left always involves fewer people with less stuff enjoying less freedom.

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One night I was dialing across the radio dial, I heard a station and I stopped and listened.....
(I forget now if it was the AM band or Shortwave)

The Radio host was talking to a Liberal on the phone and pretty much asked him what they want.

That answer.... Change... They just don't like how things are and want something different.
They simply want Change for the sake of change even if it's worse than what we have now.
Seems very shortsighted and childish to me; not all change is good.

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Originally Posted By Houstons_Problem:

And Nothing.

They just want everything to be not what it is now.  And when they get what they want, they want what they got rid of.

They are contrarians.  They suffer from a superiority complex.  They think that to be superior they must think and act differently than the satus quo to prove it.  So they stand for constant change for the sake of change.  They don't know history and are therefore traveling in a circle.  This is why they wailed about global cooling in the 70's and global warming in the 90's.  In the 70's, in Berkley, they screamed to eliminate paper and cardboard packaging at McDonald's and in the 90's or aught's they screamed to replace foam packaging with paper products.

They are insane.  You can't reason with them.  It's not about reason.  It's about the superiority they think they have.  This is why they are condescending to you, why they tell you that you don't understand and why they feel the need to use force against you.
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Originally Posted By Houstons_Problem:
Originally Posted By PanzerOfDoom:
Everything

And Nothing.

They just want everything to be not what it is now.  And when they get what they want, they want what they got rid of.

They are contrarians.  They suffer from a superiority complex.  They think that to be superior they must think and act differently than the satus quo to prove it.  So they stand for constant change for the sake of change.  They don't know history and are therefore traveling in a circle.  This is why they wailed about global cooling in the 70's and global warming in the 90's.  In the 70's, in Berkley, they screamed to eliminate paper and cardboard packaging at McDonald's and in the 90's or aught's they screamed to replace foam packaging with paper products.

They are insane.  You can't reason with them.  It's not about reason.  It's about the superiority they think they have.  This is why they are condescending to you, why they tell you that you don't understand and why they feel the need to use force against you.



This is a pretty good description of liberal's attitude I've seen. They are arrogant and hypocritical to the extreme.
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Originally Posted By DeltaElite777:
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I get that but "WHY"?  We've got a good thing going, why ruin it?
Link Posted: 12/19/2016 11:00:41 AM EST
Liberals want free sex, drugs and Cheetos.
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Originally Posted By TheRealCountChocula:

Put very simply, they're Communists. Period dot. They are just Commies who won't pull the trigger on the murder machine they advocate themselves, and need proxies.
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Originally Posted By neilbedwell:
Originally Posted By CMB69:
If they can't explain, how do you expect someone else to be able to?

Or, it is a mental illness
I get it and I agree.

Every time I start to discuss "views" with these libtards all I ever wind up getting is "you just don't understand" (and that's if they're not screaming at me).  When I ask "please make me understand", they normally just walk away.

I have yet to meet one that can really articulate their views and how all of it is supposed to work.  They just tell me that I "don't get it" and, guess what, I don't.

Put very simply, they're Communists. Period dot. They are just Commies who won't pull the trigger on the murder machine they advocate themselves, and need proxies.


And they are ignorant of history. They don't understand that most of them are useful idiots and will be the first ones lined up against the wall after the true Communists get in power. It has happened over and over throughout the 20th century. More people have been murdered by their own governments than died in any wars. Communist, Socialist, Fascist governments all promoting "utopia".
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Originally Posted By neilbedwell:
This.

I've got old friends that I went to school with who are now filthy rich living in Kalifornia who truly believe that they can make that fantasy a reality and that if Hitlery had been elected they'd be one step closer.

No amount of reason, regardless of how truly intelligent they are, is enough to sway them.

Sad, really.
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Originally Posted By neilbedwell:
Originally Posted By felrom:
They want a socialist utopia, but without the terror, murder, slavery, government-backed inequality, theft, and poverty of actual socialist countries.

They want a fantasy.
This.

I've got old friends that I went to school with who are now filthy rich living in Kalifornia who truly believe that they can make that fantasy a reality and that if Hitlery had been elected they'd be one step closer.

No amount of reason, regardless of how truly intelligent they are, is enough to sway them.

Sad, really.


It's sad that they deny human nature that is unchanged for thousands of years.
Link Posted: 12/19/2016 11:06:47 AM EST
I had the distinct displeasure of working with a couple of fresh out of indoctrination camp (aka art school) guys a few years ago. We talked politics and life philosophy all the time.

The end goal of liberalism is to eliminate most of the human race. Then the "smart ones" will rule over the peasants, and the peasants will rejoice because they know that their betters are keeping the world a safe space for them.
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It's sad that they deny human nature that is unchanged for thousands of years.
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Yup............some call it "mental disease" others like myself just call it fucking "stupid".
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Originally Posted By Kevv:
I had the distinct displeasure of working with a couple of fresh out of indoctrination camp (aka art school) guys a few years ago. We talked politics and life philosophy all the time.

The end goal of liberalism is to eliminate most of the human race. Then the "smart ones" will rule over the peasants, and the peasants will rejoice because they know that their betters are keeping the world a safe space for them.
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The funny part is that the Liberals are NOT the "smart ones" that they think that they are.
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Originally Posted By dogsplat:

Marx, Engels, and 150 years of assorted useful idiots.

Along with 150 years of grifters taking advantage of same to gain power.
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Thrown in the worst parts of post-modernist philosophy, cultural Marxism, and 3rd (or are we on 4 now?) wave feminism, and you've got most of the left's core tenets identified. Of course, few of them are self-aware enough to see it or admit it. But that's where their ideas originate. Now good luck convincing them of that. 
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They want a centralized state with absolute power, and they want to be in control of it.
Link Posted: 12/19/2016 12:23:06 PM EST
Me to ex-wife: "If YOU don't know what you want, how the hell should I know what you want?"
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Evan Sayet explains it here:



Key point is nondiscrimination and the idea that being judgemental is bad, because it makes people feel bad, regardless of actual outcome. Applies to everything, and explains utter disconnect when it comes to positions that seem radically opposed (i.e. feminism & islam).

He has a follow-up video somewhere as well where he hits a couple new points after Obama's election.
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Originally Posted By atlas176176:

Thrown in the worst parts of post-modernist philosophy, cultural Marxism, and 3rd (or are we on 4 now?) wave feminism, and you've got most of the left's core tenets identified. Of course, few of them are self-aware enough to see it or admit it. But that's where their ideas originate. Now good luck convincing them of that. 
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You hit the nail on the head " few of them are self-aware enough to see it ".  Therein lies my problem, I can't discuss with them something that they refuse to realize.  Every single one I come in contact with has NO FREAKING CLUE where their ideas come from and as soon as you mention Marx they start denying it.  

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The funny part is that the Liberals are NOT the "smart ones" that they think that they are.
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Originally Posted By Kevv:
I had the distinct displeasure of working with a couple of fresh out of indoctrination camp (aka art school) guys a few years ago. We talked politics and life philosophy all the time.

The end goal of liberalism is to eliminate most of the human race. Then the "smart ones" will rule over the peasants, and the peasants will rejoice because they know that their betters are keeping the world a safe space for them.


The funny part is that the Liberals are NOT the "smart ones" that they think that they are.


What really blew their little minds, was when I asked them; "So you get rid off all the people on earth who don't fit your intelligence criteria (they seem to think that in order to be in utopia you must have a 100+ IQ, and hold a masters degree or equivalent) who is going to clean your waste water, cook your food, pick up your trash? You really think someone with that level of intelligence is going to be happy to do those types of jobs?

Of course my question was met with a profound look of "uhhhh"
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Destruction of all aspects of traditional American society.

There are the true believers, and the power elites who use the true believers and the useful idiots/FSA to empower and enrich themselves.
The true believers are too blinded by their zealotry to see they are being used.
The FSA simply want a handout.
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Do you think a parasite that keeps destroying it's host thinks of the end game? Of course not. They cant conceptualize the doom of their host and their own eventual demise.

They have bad wiring.
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Originally Posted By Mr_Harry:
One night I was dialing across the radio dial, I heard a station and I stopped and listened.....
(I forget now if it was the AM band or Shortwave)

The Radio host was talking to a Liberal on the phone and pretty much asked him what they want.

That answer.... Change... They just don't like how things are and want something different.
They simply want Change for the sake of change even if it's worse than what we have now.
Seems very shortsighted and childish to me; not all change is good.
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...and by change they of course mean "vote for the exact same people over and over". How many slums have exclusively had a monopoly of Democratic leaders for FORTY YEARS OR MORE?
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"Liberals" don't really know what they want. They have a childish view of the world; they want life to be "fair" and "equal," whatever that means.

Now, "Leftists"... they know exactly what they want - they want England in Orwell's "1984." Of course, in their fantasies, they never picture themselves as Winston Smith. They want to be O'Brien.
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 Liberal wants  Everything a  Government can provide, taken  from Anyone that can produce.
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Originally Posted By neilbedwell:
So, I'm just curious, can anyone explain to me exactly what the libtards want?
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They want you to be more unhappy than they are.

That's it. No deeper meaning, no greater philosophical point.
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You need to learn to use the liberal handbook against them
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13) Pick the target, freeze it, personalize it, and polarize it. Conservatives tend to do well with this one until they get to the last part. Polarization is at the core of the Left's strategy. According to liberals, if you're conservative, you hate blacks, Hispanics, gays, Jews, Muslims, women, the poor, the middle class, the environment, and probably a half dozen other groups I've forgotten. Even when something is in front of our face, conservatives shy away from polarization. What's wrong with pointing out how hostile the Democratic Party has become to Christianity? Why not point out the truth: that most white liberals are racists who think black Americas are too stupid and incompetent to compete with white Americans, which is why they push Affirmative Action and racial set asides? Why not note that liberals want poor Americans to stay poor and dependent, because as long as they do, they'll keep voting for the Democrat Party? There's a reason Barack Obama bows to foreign leaders, is constantly apologizing for America, attended an anti-white, anti-American church for 20 years, and and it's why his wife was proud of the country for the FIRST TIME because she thought it was going to elect her husband. The sad truth is that these are people who hate and despise this country. Why do you think "hope and change" appealed so much to Obama that he made it his theme? When you look at America as an evil, racist, unfair, horrible place to live inhabited by ignorant trash and "bitter clingers," what else would you do other than hope for change? If you love this country and the values it represents, the people in the White House not only don't share your values, they hold people like you in utter contempt.

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