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Posted: 3/27/2006 3:53:43 PM EDT
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Towards a new test of general relativity?


23 March 2006
Scientists funded by the European Space Agency believe they may have measured the gravitational equivalent of a magnetic field for the first time in a laboratory. Under certain special conditions the effect is much larger than expected from general relativity and could help physicists to make a significant step towards the long-sought-after quantum theory of gravity.

Just as a moving electrical charge creates a magnetic field, so a moving mass generates a gravitomagnetic field. According to Einstein's Theory of General Relativity, the effect is virtually negligible. However, Martin Tajmar, ARC Seibersdorf Research GmbH, Austria; Clovis de Matos, ESA-HQ, Paris; and colleagues believe they have measured the effect in a laboratory.
Their experiment involves a ring of superconducting material rotating up to 6 500 times a minute. Superconductors are special materials that lose all electrical resistance at a certain temperature. Spinning superconductors produce a weak magnetic field, the so-called London moment. The new experiment tests a conjecture by Tajmar and de Matos that explains the difference between high-precision mass measurements of Cooper-pairs (the current carriers in superconductors) and their prediction via quantum theory. They have discovered that this anomaly could be explained by the appearance of a gravitomagnetic field in the spinning superconductor (This effect has been named the Gravitomagnetic London Moment by analogy with its magnetic counterpart).

Small acceleration sensors placed at different locations close to the spinning superconductor, which has to be accelerated for the effect to be noticeable, recorded an acceleration field outside the superconductor that appears to be produced by gravitomagnetism. "This experiment is the gravitational analogue of Faraday's electromagnetic induction experiment in 1831.

It demonstrates that a superconductive gyroscope is capable of generating a powerful gravitomagnetic field, and is therefore the gravitational counterpart of the magnetic coil. Depending on further confirmation, this effect could form the basis for a new technological domain, which would have numerous applications in space and other high-tech sectors" says de Matos. Although just 100 millionths of the acceleration due to the Earth’s gravitational field, the measured field is a surprising one hundred million trillion times larger than Einstein’s General Relativity predicts. Initially, the researchers were reluctant to believe their own results.






Gravitomagnetic induction of gravitational fields

"We ran more than 250 experiments, improved the facility over 3 years and discussed the validity of the results for 8 months before making this announcement. Now we are confident about the measurement," says Tajmar, who performed the experiments and hopes that other physicists will conduct their own versions of the experiment in order to verify the findings and rule out a facility induced effect.
In parallel to the experimental evaluation of their conjecture, Tajmar and de Matos also looked for a more refined theoretical model of the Gravitomagnetic London Moment. They took their inspiration from superconductivity. The electromagnetic properties of superconductors are explained in quantum theory by assuming that force-carrying particles, known as photons, gain mass. By allowing force-carrying gravitational particles, known as the gravitons, to become heavier, they found that the unexpectedly large gravitomagnetic force could be modelled.


"If confirmed, this would be a major breakthrough," says Tajmar, "it opens up a new means of investigating general relativity and it consequences in the quantum world."

The results were presented at a one-day conference at ESA's European Space and Technology Research Centre (ESTEC), in the Netherlands, 21 March 2006. Two papers detailing the work are now being considered for publication. The papers can be accessed on-line at the Los Alamos pre-print server using the references: gr-qc/0603033 and gr-qc/0603032.

For more detailed information, please contact:

Dipl-Ing Dr Martin Tajmar
Head of Business Field Space Propulsion
ARC Seibersdorf research GmbH
A-2444 Seibersdorf
Austria
Phone: +43 (0)5 05 50 31 42
Fax: +43 (0)5 05 50 33 66
Email: martin.tajmar @ arcs.ac.at
Web: http://ilfb.tuwien.ac.at/~tajmar


Dr Clovis J. de Matos
General Studies Officer
European Space Agency ESA-HQ
Advanced Concepts and Studies Office - EUI-AC
8-10 Rue Mario Nikis
75738 Paris Cedex 15
France
Tel: +33 (0)1 53 69 74 98
Fax: +33 (0)1 53 69 76 51
Email: clovis.de.matos @ esa.int


Link Posted: 3/27/2006 3:56:21 PM EDT
Link Posted: 3/27/2006 3:59:55 PM EDT

Originally Posted By vito113:
Coming soon…

…fleets of anti-gravity powered EU flying saucers to dominate the world!




But how will they make them leak oil?
Link Posted: 3/27/2006 4:00:23 PM EDT
Link Posted: 3/27/2006 4:06:46 PM EDT
I dont know what happened to it, but I cant get either the Search or Archive Search engines to caugh it up, but in January we had a long thread here about similar NASA experiments and also new papers solicited by the AIAA on Heim-Dröscher physics which supposedly predicts interactions between gravity and magnatism and if proven could open oportunites in anti-gravity and FTL drive systems.

Here is the New Science article that was part of that thread though:
www.newscientistspace.com/article/mg18925331.200-take-a-leap-into-hyperspace.html


Take a leap into hyperspace
05 January 2006
From New Scientist Print Edition
Haiko Lietz
EVERY year, the American Institute of Aeronautics and Astronautics awards prizes for the best papers presented at its annual conference. Last year's winner in the nuclear and future flight category went to a paper calling for experimental tests of an astonishing new type of engine. According to the paper, this hyperdrive motor would propel a craft through another dimension at enormous speeds. It could leave Earth at lunchtime and get to the moon in time for dinner. There's just one catch: the idea relies on an obscure and largely unrecognised kind of physics. Can they possibly be serious?

The AIAA is certainly not embarrassed. What's more, the US military has begun to cast its eyes over the hyperdrive concept, and a space propulsion researcher at the US Department of Energy's Sandia National Laboratories has said he would be interested in putting the idea to the test. And despite the bafflement of most physicists at the theory that supposedly underpins it, Pavlos Mikellides, an aerospace engineer at the Arizona State University in Tempe who reviewed the winning paper, stands by the committee's choice. "Even though such features have been explored before, this particular approach is quite unique," he says.

Unique it certainly is. If the experiment gets the go-ahead and works, it could reveal new interactions between the fundamental forces of nature that would change the future of space travel. Forget spending six months or more holed up in a rocket on the way to Mars, a round trip on the hyperdrive could take as little as 5 hours. All our worries about astronauts' muscles wasting away or their DNA being irreparably damaged by cosmic radiation would disappear overnight. What's more the device would put travel to the stars within reach for the first time. But can the hyperdrive really get off the ground?

The answer to that question hinges on the work of a little-known German physicist. Burkhard Heim began to explore the hyperdrive propulsion concept in the 1950s as a spin-off from his attempts to heal the biggest divide in physics: the rift between quantum mechanics and Einstein's general theory of relativity.

Quantum theory describes the realm of the very small - atoms, electrons and elementary particles - while general relativity deals with gravity. The two theories are immensely successful in their separate spheres. The clash arises when it comes to describing the basic structure of space. In general relativity, space-time is an active, malleable fabric. It has four dimensions - three of space and one of time - that deform when masses are placed in them. In Einstein's formulation, the force of gravity is a result of the deformation of these dimensions. Quantum theory, on the other hand, demands that space is a fixed and passive stage, something simply there for particles to exist on. It also suggests that space itself must somehow be made up of discrete, quantum elements.

In the early 1950s, Heim began to rewrite the equations of general relativity in a quantum framework. He drew on Einstein's idea that the gravitational force emerges from the dimensions of space and time, but suggested that all fundamental forces, including electromagnetism, might emerge from a new, different set of dimensions. Originally he had four extra dimensions, but he discarded two of them believing that they did not produce any forces, and settled for adding a new two-dimensional "sub-space" onto Einstein's four-dimensional space-time.

In Heim's six-dimensional world, the forces of gravity and electromagnetism are coupled together. Even in our familiar four-dimensional world, we can see a link between the two forces through the behaviour of fundamental particles such as the electron. An electron has both mass and charge. When an electron falls under the pull of gravity its moving electric charge creates a magnetic field. And if you use an electromagnetic field to accelerate an electron you move the gravitational field associated with its mass. But in the four dimensions we know, you cannot change the strength of gravity simply by cranking up the electromagnetic field.

In Heim's view of space and time, this limitation disappears. He claimed it is possible to convert electromagnetic energy into gravitational and back again, and speculated that a rotating magnetic field could reduce the influence of gravity on a spacecraft enough for it to take off.

When he presented his idea in public in 1957, he became an instant celebrity. Wernher von Braun, the German engineer who at the time was leading the Saturn rocket programme that later launched astronauts to the moon, approached Heim about his work and asked whether the expensive Saturn rockets were worthwhile. And in a letter in 1964, the German relativity theorist Pascual Jordan, who had worked with the distinguished physicists Max Born and Werner Heisenberg and was a member of the Nobel committee, told Heim that his plan was so important "that its successful experimental treatment would without doubt make the researcher a candidate for the Nobel prize".

But all this attention only led Heim to retreat from the public eye. This was partly because of his severe multiple disabilities, caused by a lab accident when he was still in his teens. But Heim was also reluctant to disclose his theory without an experiment to prove it. He never learned English because he did not want his work to leave the country. As a result, very few people knew about his work and no one came up with the necessary research funding. In 1958 the aerospace company Bölkow did offer some money, but not enough to do the proposed experiment.

While Heim waited for more money to come in, the company's director, Ludwig Bölkow, encouraged him to develop his theory further. Heim took his advice, and one of the results was a theorem that led to a series of formulae for calculating the masses of the fundamental particles - something conventional theories have conspicuously failed to achieve. He outlined this work in 1977 in the Max Planck Institute's journal Zeitschrift für Naturforschung, his only peer-reviewed paper. In an abstruse way that few physicists even claim to understand, the formulae work out a particle's mass starting from physical characteristics, such as its charge and angular momentum.

Yet the theorem has proved surprisingly powerful. The standard model of physics, which is generally accepted as the best available theory of elementary particles, is incapable of predicting a particle's mass. Even the accepted means of estimating mass theoretically, known as lattice quantum chromodynamics, only gets to between 1 and 10 per cent of the experimental values.

Gravity reduction
But in 1982, when researchers at the German Electron Synchrotron (DESY) in Hamburg implemented Heim's mass theorem in a computer program, it predicted masses of fundamental particles that matched the measured values to within the accuracy of experimental error. If they are let down by anything, it is the precision to which we know the values of the fundamental constants. Two years after Heim's death in 2001, his long-term collaborator Illobrand von Ludwiger calculated the mass formula using a more accurate gravitational constant. "The masses came out even more precise," he says.

After publishing the mass formulae, Heim never really looked at hyperspace propulsion again. Instead, in response to requests for more information about the theory behind the mass predictions, he spent all his time detailing his ideas in three books published in German. It was only in 1980, when the first of his books came to the attention of a retired Austrian patent officer called Walter Dröscher, that the hyperspace propulsion idea came back to life. Dröscher looked again at Heim's ideas and produced an "extended" version, resurrecting the dimensions that Heim originally discarded. The result is "Heim-Dröscher space", a mathematical description of an eight-dimensional universe.

From this, Dröscher claims, you can derive the four forces known in physics: the gravitational and electromagnetic forces, and the strong and weak nuclear forces. But there's more to it than that. "If Heim's picture is to make sense," Dröscher says, "we are forced to postulate two more fundamental forces." These are, Dröscher claims, related to the familiar gravitational force: one is a repulsive anti-gravity similar to the dark energy that appears to be causing the universe's expansion to accelerate. And the other might be used to accelerate a spacecraft without any rocket fuel.

This force is a result of the interaction of Heim's fifth and sixth dimensions and the extra dimensions that Dröscher introduced. It produces pairs of "gravitophotons", particles that mediate the interconversion of electromagnetic and gravitational energy. Dröscher teamed up with Jochem Häuser, a physicist and professor of computer science at the University of Applied Sciences in Salzgitter, Germany, to turn the theoretical framework into a proposal for an experimental test. The paper they produced, "Guidelines for a space propulsion device based on Heim's quantum theory", is what won the AIAA's award last year.

Claims of the possibility of "gravity reduction" or "anti-gravity" induced by magnetic fields have been investigated by NASA before (New Scientist, 12 January 2002, p 24). But this one, Dröscher insists, is different. "Our theory is not about anti-gravity. It's about completely new fields with new properties," he says. And he and Häuser have suggested an experiment to prove it.

This will require a huge rotating ring placed above a superconducting coil to create an intense magnetic field. With a large enough current in the coil, and a large enough magnetic field, Dröscher claims the electromagnetic force can reduce the gravitational pull on the ring to the point where it floats free. Dröscher and Häuser say that to completely counter Earth's pull on a 150-tonne spacecraft a magnetic field of around 25 tesla would be needed. While that's 500,000 times the strength of Earth's magnetic field, pulsed magnets briefly reach field strengths up to 80 tesla. And Dröscher and Häuser go further. With a faster-spinning ring and an even stronger magnetic field, gravitophotons would interact with conventional gravity to produce a repulsive anti-gravity force, they suggest.

Dröscher is hazy about the details, but he suggests that a spacecraft fitted with a coil and ring could be propelled into a multidimensional hyperspace. Here the constants of nature could be different, and even the speed of light could be several times faster than we experience. If this happens, it would be possible to reach Mars in less than 3 hours and a star 11 light years away in only 80 days, Dröscher and Häuser say.

So is this all fanciful nonsense, or a revolution in the making? The majority of physicists have never heard of Heim theory, and most of those contacted by New Scientist said they couldn't make sense of Dröscher and Häuser's description of the theory behind their proposed experiment. Following Heim theory is hard work even without Dröscher's extension, says Markus Pössel, a theoretical physicist at the Max Planck Institute for Gravitational Physics in Potsdam, Germany. Several years ago, while an undergraduate at the University of Hamburg, he took a careful look at Heim theory. He says he finds it "largely incomprehensible", and difficult to tie in with today's physics. "What is needed is a step-by-step introduction, beginning at modern physical concepts," he says.

The general consensus seems to be that Dröscher and Häuser's theory is incomplete at best, and certainly extremely difficult to follow. And it has not passed any normal form of peer review, a fact that surprised the AIAA prize reviewers when they made their decision. "It seemed to be quite developed and ready for such publication," Mikellides told New Scientist.

At the moment, the main reason for taking the proposal seriously must be Heim theory's uncannily successful prediction of particle masses. Maybe, just maybe, Heim theory really does have something to contribute to modern physics. "As far as I understand it, Heim theory is ingenious," says Hans Theodor Auerbach, a theoretical physicist at the Swiss Federal Institute of Technology in Zurich who worked with Heim. "I think that physics will take this direction in the future."

It may be a long while before we find out if he's right. In its present design, Dröscher and Häuser's experiment requires a magnetic coil several metres in diameter capable of sustaining an enormous current density. Most engineers say that this is not feasible with existing materials and technology, but Roger Lenard, a space propulsion researcher at Sandia National Laboratories in New Mexico thinks it might just be possible. Sandia runs an X-ray generator known as the Z machine which "could probably generate the necessary field intensities and gradients".

For now, though, Lenard considers the theory too shaky to justify the use of the Z machine. "I would be very interested in getting Sandia interested if we could get a more perspicacious introduction to the mathematics behind the proposed experiment," he says. "Even if the results are negative, that, in my mind, is a successful experiment."

Who was Burkhard Heim?
Burkhard Heim had a remarkable life. Born in 1925 in Potsdam, Germany, he decided at the age of 6 that he wanted to become a rocket scientist. He disguised his designs in code so that no one could discover his secret. And in the cellar of his parents' house, he experimented with high explosives. But this was to lead to disaster.

Towards the end of the second world war, he worked as an explosives developer, and an accident in 1944 in which a device exploded in his hands left him permanently disabled. He lost both his forearms, along with 90 per cent of his hearing and eyesight.

After the war, he attended university in Göttingen to study physics. The idea of propelling a spacecraft using quantum mechanics rather than rocket fuel led him to study general relativity and quantum mechanics. It took an enormous effort. From 1948, his father and wife replaced his senses, spending hours reading papers and transcribing his calculations onto paper. And he developed a photographic memory.

Supporters of Heim theory claim that it is a panacea for the troubles in modern physics. They say it unites quantum mechanics and general relativity, can predict the masses of the building blocks of matter from first principles, and can even explain the state of the universe 13.7 billion years ago.


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[Last Edit: 3/27/2006 4:10:42 PM EDT by astrafire]

23 March 2006
Scientists funded by the European Space Agency....
We ran more than 250 experiments, improved the facility over 3 years, and discussed the validity of the results for 8 months before making this announcement. Now we are confident about the measurement,"



Forgive me, when a scientist says discussed the validity of the results for 8 months before making the announcement and then says now we are confident about the measurement my cynism meter goes off.

The real deal publishes and moves on.

I think he ment the following

We ran more than 250 experiments, improved the facility over 3 years, saw the need for more funding and discussed the validity of the results for 8 months before making this announcement. Now we are confident about the measurement.
Link Posted: 3/27/2006 4:19:08 PM EDT
Saw something on this in Popular Science a few years ago.. Seems that this was the breakthrough tat science had hoped for since if it is true, antigravity fields, and gravity fields for space travel would be withing the realm of possibility in this century. Not to mention that cool skate board from Back to the Future 2..
Link Posted: 3/27/2006 4:20:44 PM EDT

Originally Posted By cmjohnson:
Tagged because it's too important NOT to tag it.




Link Posted: 3/27/2006 4:24:11 PM EDT

Originally Posted By vito113:
Coming soon…

…fleets of anti-gravity powered EU flying saucers to dominate the world!


Please. We've already had them stacked and operating out of Area 51 since 1947.


Why wait to discover something when you can steal technology from little grey men?
Link Posted: 3/27/2006 4:26:16 PM EDT
[Last Edit: 3/27/2006 4:26:43 PM EDT by CS223]

Originally Posted By vito113:
Coming soon…

…fleets of anti-gravity powered EU flying saucers to dominate the world!



Never make it off the ground with a Lucas electrical system.
Link Posted: 3/27/2006 4:27:39 PM EDT

Originally Posted By astrafire:
Forgive me, when a scientist says discussed the validity of the results for 8 months before making the announcement and then says now we are confident about the measurement my cynism meter goes off.


This is heavy stuff. You don't just write a paper and move on. You get your methodology and results peer reviewed to make sure you didn't make some dumb mistake.


Originally Posted By astrafire:
The real deal publishes and moves on.


Like the South Korean cloning guy?
Link Posted: 3/27/2006 4:34:54 PM EDT

Originally Posted By dport:

Why wait to discover something when you can steal technology from little grey men?



<------ obviously GREEN.



Link Posted: 3/27/2006 4:36:56 PM EDT

Originally Posted By dport:

Originally Posted By vito113:
Coming soon…

…fleets of anti-gravity powered EU flying saucers to dominate the world!


Please. We've already had them stacked and operating out of Area 51 since 1947.





Those got replaced by the F/A-18 Superhornet.
Link Posted: 3/27/2006 4:50:12 PM EDT
Abstract: The Physics of Burkhard Heim and its Applications to Space Propulsion
by Illobrand von Ludwiger, M.Sc., prepared for the presentation at the First European Workshop on Field Propulsion, January 20-22, 2001 at the University of Sussex, Brighton, GB
[download abstract as PDF document | 10 KB]
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If one is searching for field propulsion systems for a real interstellar spaceflight, one has to look for a theory which offers the possibilities for

generating gravitational fields,
producing gravitational waves
lowering inertia
superluminal velocity.
All of these four requirements seem to be fulfilled by the 6-dimensional unified fully geometrised quantum field theory of Burkhard Heim, which has been proven to be correct, because it supplies a suitable formula for all known particle masses (ground and excited states), as well as the correct values of coupling constants.
The knowledge of the internal structure of elementary particles makes it possible, in principle, to alter their properties, such as inertia.

The physicist Burkhard Heim, who deceased on January 14th , 2001, in Northeim, near Goettingen, was the German equivalent to Stephen Hawking and one of the greatest German physicists. Since he left the Max-Planck-Institute in Goettingen in 1954 because of his bodily handicap (he lost his eyes, his hearing and his hands by an accident) he worked privately. When he published his theory in two voluminous books (written in German, about 600 pages) in 1979 and 1984, nobody could believe that Heim discovered the unified mass formula. And nobody remembered that he had become famous in 1959, when he proposed a new propulsion system for spaceflight.

In this paper the author will give a short overview of Heim’s theory and then will deduce some experiments to manipulate gravity. Heim started with Einstein’s General Relativity Theory, but modified it for application in the microscopic range. Here, the field equations become eigenvalue equations. For invariance reasons Heim had to introduce a 6-dimensional manifold. The existence of a smallest area required the computation with differences rather than with differentials, and with selectors instead of tensors. According to Heim, Einstein’s assumption of one single metric was too simple. He introduced three partial structures, which constitute four possible metrical tensors by correlations. This complicated geometry leads to 1956 eigenvalue equations from which it is possible to deduce the mass spectrum of elementary particles and to describe their internal structure fluxes. Matter consists of an exchange of maxima and minima of condensations of the smallest areas in subspaces of an R6. Contrary to vacuum fluctuations, matter exists when the geometrical exchange processes always return to their starting point. These geometrical fluxes produce a spin. Since this spin tends to stay orthogonal to the vector of world velocity, each acceleration leads to a resistance force or inertia.

There are several possible ways to generate gravitational fields and gravitational waves in Heim’s theory. A theoretical possibility consists in the generation of gravitons from neutrons. The generation of acceleration fields has been investigated by the spaceflight company DASA. Heim himself proposed to test the contrabaric effect predicted by his theory. For financial reasons these experiments could not be finished.



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Illobrand von Ludwiger, M.Sc.
Phone: ++49 (0) 8063 - 7065
Fax: ++49 (0) 8063 - 6187
eMail: illobrand_von_ludwiger@compuserve.com

Link Posted: 3/27/2006 4:50:27 PM EDT
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Originally Posted By TheCynic:

Originally Posted By astrafire:
Forgive me, when a scientist says discussed the validity of the results for 8 months before making the announcement and then says now we are confident about the measurement my cynism meter goes off.


This is heavy stuff. You don't just write a paper and move on. You get your methodology and results peer reviewed to make sure you didn't make some dumb mistake.


Originally Posted By astrafire:
The real deal publishes and moves on.


Like the South Korean cloning guy?



Amazingly, you got it backwards.

Heim did not do press releases, he just moved on. In other words, just put it out for others to see and wait to hear back while going on about your work.

This ESA guy is more like the Korean guy who held press conferences and went to conferences to brag about results BEFORE releasing papers.



Link Posted: 3/27/2006 5:08:59 PM EDT
Finally found the original thread www.ar15.com/forums/topic.html?b=1&f=5&t=425469&page=2

Shame I couldn't find it earlier and had to start a new one.
Link Posted: 3/27/2006 5:13:36 PM EDT

Heim did not do press releases, he just moved on.


Heim never moved on. He pursued this to exclusion of all esle. To him this was all a part of a 'Theory of Everything', he didn't have the resources to do big experiments- and psychologically was not capable of dealing with people in order to do the buisness of soliciting resources- so he pursued those avenues that he thought could prove his theories without lab machinery.

To him, if you proved one aspect, all the others would- indeed MUST- fall in line. Whether that is true or not still is to be determined.
Link Posted: 3/27/2006 5:20:43 PM EDT

Originally Posted By ArmdLbrl:

Heim did not do press releases, he just moved on.


Heim never moved on. He pursued this to exclusion of all esle. To him this was all a part of a 'Theory of Everything', he didn't have the resources to do big experiments- and psychologically was not capable of dealing with people in order to do the buisness of soliciting resources- so he pursued those avenues that he thought could prove his theories without lab machinery.

To him, if you proved one aspect, all the others would- indeed MUST- fall in line. Whether that is true or not still is to be determined.



Admittedly, it would have been more correct for me to say the following.
"Heim did not do press releases, he just moved on with his work."
Link Posted: 3/27/2006 5:21:17 PM EDT
This could be a very significant discovery.

I'm no technical physics guy, but a couple of years ago I read a book called The Elegant Universe. It was very informative and easy to understand. Give it a read some time if you get a chance.
Link Posted: 3/27/2006 5:21:37 PM EDT
Link Posted: 3/27/2006 5:22:44 PM EDT
[Last Edit: 3/27/2006 5:23:06 PM EDT by Kharn]

Originally Posted By Spade:

Originally Posted By vito113:
Coming soon…
…fleets of anti-gravity powered EU flying saucers to dominate the world!


But how will they make them leak oil?

And you'd better hope they dont let Lucas, The Prince of Darkness, design the electrical system.

Kharn
Link Posted: 3/27/2006 5:57:01 PM EDT
First you get the quantum gravity theory, then you get the wormhole generator, then you get the spacefaring civilization . . . then you get the women.
Link Posted: 3/27/2006 6:24:42 PM EDT
tag

SRM
Link Posted: 3/27/2006 6:50:37 PM EDT

Originally Posted By CS223:

Originally Posted By vito113:
Coming soon…

…fleets of anti-gravity powered EU flying saucers to dominate the world!



Never make it off the ground with a Lucas electrical system.



Aah Lucas.. Prince of Darkness.
Link Posted: 3/27/2006 6:58:28 PM EDT
They also claimed to have seen Elvis on the moon....just kidding.
Link Posted: 3/27/2006 7:11:53 PM EDT

Originally Posted By cmjohnson:
Tagged because it's too important NOT to tag it.


While it's difficult to envision any truly world changing practical applications for this discovery, the same thing could be said for a newborn baby. Its potential will take time to develop.

CJ



Well, as the saying goes, "science fiction yesterday is reality today is obsolete tomorrow."
Link Posted: 3/27/2006 7:26:32 PM EDT

Originally Posted By CS223:

Originally Posted By vito113:
Coming soon…

…fleets of anti-gravity powered EU flying saucers to dominate the world!



Never make it off the ground with a Lucas electrical system.



I take it you've owned a Rover before too?
Link Posted: 3/27/2006 10:05:52 PM EDT
[Last Edit: 3/27/2006 10:10:13 PM EDT by vito113]
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