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Posted: 1/3/2003 4:27:52 AM EST
Seems they still haven't grasped reality over in England. [url=news.independent.co.uk/uk/crime/story.jsp?story=366016]Rise of guns as 'status symbols' fuels violence[/url]
A bloody feud between two heavily-armed gangs has brought terror to the streets of inner-city Birmingham. Yesterday's [url=news.independent.co.uk/uk/crime/story.jsp?story=366021]murder of two teenage girls at a party[/url] in the Aston area of the city was close to the scenes of other gang shootings and was immediately linked to the tit-for-tat feud by many locals. The war between the Johnson Crew and the Burger Bar Boys, who emulate Jamaican Yardie gangsters in their fight for control of Birmingham's street drug trade, has been tormenting the Midlands city for more than six years. The gangs have been held responsible for gangland-style executions, armed robberies and dozens of shootings. One killing involving the gangs in 2000 was compared in court to "a gunfight at the OK Corral".
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Ah, yes. The inevitable comparison to America's "Lawless West."
They have been targeted by West Midland Police's specialist Operation Ventara team, which investigates black-on-black gun crime and is modelled on Scotland Yard's Operation Trident. The gangs take their names from their original meeting places – one a café in Johnson Street and the other a fast-food outlet in the Lozells district of the city. [red]Police hoped they had ended the violence in 1997 when several leaders of the Johnson Crew were convicted of serious offences, including murder and armed robbery.[/red]
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"Hoped they had ended the violence?" Yeah, right. They thought banning handguns would end the violence too.
The release from prison of some gang members has coincided with a resurgence of feuding in Britain's underworld, with access to firearms in the inner cities at an unprecedented level. [red]Estimates of the numbers of guns in circulation, given to a Home Office committee in 1996, ranged from 200,000 to four million. [size=3]But the total is increasing all the time.[/size=3][/red] The National Criminal Intelligence Service believes some guns are available for hire and others used in one crime are sold on to other criminals rather than flung away. The gun's rise as a status symbol has seen them used increasingly by black gangsters in cities including London, Manchester, Birmingham, Bristol and Leeds to settle inter-gang disputes, even over relatively minor drug debts. Where once only senior members of Turkish gangs had guns, they are increasingly widespread and used against rivals, police and Customs to try to avoid the long jail terms for heroin smuggling. [red]Semi- automatic and automatic guns are also [size=3]becoming more common.[/size=3][/red] "There is no street cred in a sawn-off shotgun for the majority of today's armed criminals," said the Metropolitan Police Commissioner, Sir John Stevens. [red]Gun crime has increased sharply in recent years[/red], especially in cities and not just within and between organised gangs, although contract killings and violent kidnappings have risen sharply. Last month, Scotland Yard reported seeing considerably more guns used in robberies: 116 in November, compared with 83 in April, and said it was training new armed teams to meet the threat. [red]The Home Office will publish new figures this month showing a record number of crimes involving guns.[/red]
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Read the link about the two girls getting killed, too. Oh yeah. Licensing, registration, and gun bans make the public safer. Sure they do.
Link Posted: 1/3/2003 5:34:00 AM EST
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They conveniently forget to mention that these are gangs of turd world immigants. Yeah, it's the fault of the guns. I get it.
Link Posted: 1/3/2003 6:16:00 AM EST
This story must be a lie. We all know that England banned guns and is a gun-free, safe utopia.
Link Posted: 1/3/2003 6:55:06 AM EST
When I was a child(too many years ago to mention in public!) Great Britain used to pride itself on the fact that most policemen never carried guns. It appears that now ONLY the ordinary citizen is unarmed.
Link Posted: 1/3/2003 7:23:52 AM EST
Isn't it great when one side (OURS!) is proven right yet again? Too bad that innocents have to die to prove the facts of the universe to these socialist idiots, though...
Link Posted: 1/3/2003 7:28:21 AM EST
Originally Posted By wetidlerjr: When I was a child(too many years ago to mention in public!) Great Britain used to pride itself on the fact that most policemen never carried guns. It appears that now ONLY the ordinary citizen is unarmed.
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For the most part, English cops still don't carry guns...
Link Posted: 1/3/2003 7:40:44 AM EST
Originally Posted By Dave_A: For the most part, English cops still don't carry guns...
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Didn't know that! Thanks!
Link Posted: 1/3/2003 7:58:38 AM EST
Originally Posted By Dave_A:
Originally Posted By wetidlerjr: When I was a child(too many years ago to mention in public!) Great Britain used to pride itself on the fact that most policemen never carried guns. It appears that now ONLY the ordinary citizen is unarmed.
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For the most part, English cops still don't carry guns...
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Yes, and I seem to recall that the rate of Bobbies being shot on duty has also skyrocketed in recent years. Can't cite the source offhand. One of the English newspaper websites I think, about six months ago. The number of armed police units has also increased dramatically in recent years. Originally, it was to counter the fear of raids in England by the IRA, but now it's to deal w/the gangsters. Yup, a really wonderful place. Can't wait for my oldest and his wife to get back from the UK. She was born and raised in England, and they went to visit her family for the holidays. I want to hear what they have to stay about the rise of the gangster in what she constantly reminds me is a civilized country [;D]
Link Posted: 1/3/2003 8:08:13 AM EST
This should really read: [b]Rise of Gangsters-only Posessing Guns Leads to Rise in Number of Victims[/b] There. Now isn't that better? [rolleyes] CMOS
Link Posted: 1/3/2003 12:03:09 PM EST
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Originally Posted By Dave_A:
Originally Posted By wetidlerjr: When I was a child(too many years ago to mention in public!) Great Britain used to pride itself on the fact that most policemen never carried guns. It appears that now ONLY the ordinary citizen is unarmed.
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For the most part, English cops still don't carry guns...
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For the most part, they don't. But for the first time, about two years ago, some Bobbies started carrying on normal patrol in really high-crime areas. And the number of [i]armed response[/i] "flying squad" cops has increased dramatically, along with the number of times they are called out. Plus, just recently the "flying squads" traded in their H&K MP5 SMG's for G36's - because the bad guys have taken to wearing body armor, and the 9mm won't penetrate. Make no mistake, the English police are arming up, slowly but surely.
Link Posted: 1/3/2003 12:21:27 PM EST
More fun and games from the country that has no gun violence because they banned firearms (and is a model for all western governments)... [url]http://newsvote.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/uk_politics/2624187.stm[/url]
Link Posted: 1/3/2003 12:43:24 PM EST
[Last Edit: 1/3/2003 12:46:00 PM EST by KBaker]
According to the report, one of the perps used a submachinegun. Why not? If it's illegal to have a revolver, in for a penny... According to [url=newsvote.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/england/2623393.stm]this report:[/url]
Criminologist and former West Midlands police officer Doug Sharp said: "We're going to see more shooting incidents and they will be a regular feature of our news for some time. "It's relatively straightforward to get firearms in this country - there has been an increase in firearms coming into the country since the end of the Balkan conflicts. "After all if you can smuggle people into the country you can smuggle firearms."
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Gee, ya [i]think?[/i]
At the City Hospital in Birmingham, the number of people being treated for shootings has trebled in four years.
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Yes, since the 1997 [b]handgun ban[/b]. Ensuring the law-abiding public was disarmed really kept the guns out of the hands of criminals, didn't it?
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