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Posted: 10/3/2014 10:31:26 PM EST
After working as an applications engineer for 6 years, I grew an intense dislike for most of our sales force. A lot of them are lazy, stupid, and overly demanding. They also seem to throw way too much weight around to the point where they routinely override sound engineering with pie-in-the-sky sales numbers. At least in my company, they run the joint. Engineers are just an accessory for their asinine ventures.

Any other engineers feel the same way?
Link Posted: 10/3/2014 10:33:54 PM EST
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I'm a hybrid of both.



I'm an A personality engineer. Lol!
Link Posted: 10/3/2014 10:36:40 PM EST


Yes.

So I became a salesman.

Now I design the projects the way I want, then I get the fun of selling them!
Link Posted: 10/3/2014 10:37:01 PM EST
We must work at the same place!!! I have to show this to our chief engineer. I manage the production of our assembly, him and I were just discussing the same exact thing yesterday. It's almost unreal how every time we turn around we are having to jump through hoops on their "sale". It's getting to a ponit where it's UN FUCKING REAL
Link Posted: 10/3/2014 10:38:00 PM EST
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Yes.

So I became a salesman.

Now I design the projects the way I want, then I get the fun of selling them!
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We do have sales guys that work just like you. We think the world of them, but they're so rare.
Link Posted: 10/3/2014 10:40:06 PM EST
So, I over-promised. Come on boys, you can do it, it's easy!

Then you do it.

Link Posted: 10/3/2014 10:42:25 PM EST
The saying goes" Poor planning on your part does not constitute an emergency on my part"
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So, I over-promised. Come on boys, you can do it, it's easy!

Then you do it.



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Yup, I hear that shit all the time.

Salesmen: So I gave the customer 75% off a completely custom part that we never designed before. Hey, there's the potential to sell $40,000,000 of these for an industry that's a complete roller coaster. Oh, I have no proof of that these numbers will come to pass and no commitment from the customer.

Engineer: Part cannot be designed w/o losing money. Also, we can't design a complete prototype in 6 months. Design will take 6 months, testing another 6 months.

Salesmen: Fuck testing, just make it! Wtf is your problem?

Sales manager: Make that shit in 4 months, or you're fired. *Jerks off to phantom $40,000,000 figure.

Based on a true, ongoing story.

Oh, it doesn't help that sales isn't paid on margin; just gross. Total bullshit.



Link Posted: 10/3/2014 10:51:07 PM EST
Don't worry. Good CEO's and upper management know better... Or they should. When things look grim you keep the talent that brought you the goods. You don't fire Engineers to keep sales people and cleaning people. You hire more engineers to innovate ... Or die !
Good product sells itself !

Link Posted: 10/3/2014 10:54:03 PM EST
As a PM who gets drug into sales meetings with both sides, I generally hate you both equally.


Link Posted: 10/3/2014 10:54:43 PM EST
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Don't worry. Good CEO's and upper management know better... Or they should. When things look grim you keep the talent that brought you the goods. You don't fire Engineers to keep sales people and cleaning people. You hire more engineers to innovate ... Or die !
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A big +1!
Link Posted: 10/3/2014 10:55:10 PM EST
Meh, your over engineered, under built, over priced crap with jacked up buggy software is hard to sell, and all the engineers I've seen were allergic to any and all interaction with the customer base because they could not take the railing critical and practical breakdown of how their precious creation was lacking, not to mention they can't stand the confrontational nature of the sales process.

Most of your screw ups are fixed, figured out and your ass is covered by high school grads with 15-20 years as a tech that are now customer service reps working with savy salesmen who are neither dumb nor lazy or they wouldn't last 10 minutes in the profession. You just don't have a clue what they do.

Guess what I do for a living.



Effing engineers HA!
Link Posted: 10/3/2014 10:57:21 PM EST
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Originally Posted By Taboot:
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Then you do it.

I feel your pain, but have also experienced: "Oh, by the way this [whatever] will now be twice the size and weight that I originally told you. No big deal, right?"
Link Posted: 10/3/2014 11:01:25 PM EST
Originally Posted By MEGR:
After working as an applications engineer for 6 years, I grew an intense dislike for most of our sales force. A lot of them are lazy, stupid, and overly demanding. They also seem to throw way too much weight around to the point where they routinely override sound engineering with pie-in-the-sky sales numbers. At least in my company, they run the joint. Engineers are just an accessory for their asinine ventures.

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Question from a buyer- does an engineering degree come with a free case of aspbergers? Finding an engineer that isn't socially retarded is a needle in a haystack
Link Posted: 10/3/2014 11:04:52 PM EST
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Originally Posted By MEGR:
After working as an applications engineer for 6 years, I grew an intense dislike for most of our sales force. A lot of them are lazy, stupid, and overly demanding. They also seem to throw way too much weight around to the point where they routinely override sound engineering with pie-in-the-sky sales numbers. At least in my company, they run the joint. Engineers are just an accessory for their asinine ventures.

Any other engineers feel the same way?



Question from a buyer- does an engineering degree come with a free case of aspbergers? Finding an engineer that isn't socially retarded is a needle in a haystack



Good engineers usually cost lots of money.

Link Posted: 10/3/2014 11:07:17 PM EST
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Originally Posted By Number1gun:
Don't worry. Good CEO's and upper management know better... Or they should. When things look grim you keep the talent that brought you the goods. You don't fire Engineers to keep sales people and cleaning people. You hire more engineers to innovate ... Or die !
Good product sells itself !

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That is some funny shit right there.

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Originally Posted By shorse:
Originally Posted By MEGR:
After working as an applications engineer for 6 years, I grew an intense dislike for most of our sales force. A lot of them are lazy, stupid, and overly demanding. They also seem to throw way too much weight around to the point where they routinely override sound engineering with pie-in-the-sky sales numbers. At least in my company, they run the joint. Engineers are just an accessory for their asinine ventures.

Any other engineers feel the same way?



Question from a buyer- does an engineering degree come with a free case of aspbergers? Finding an engineer that isn't socially retarded is a needle in a haystack


At least in my place of work, engineers have constant interaction with customers. We're completely accessible to any customer, up to face-to-face visits around the US.
Link Posted: 10/3/2014 11:09:17 PM EST
Types of engineers I have encountered:
Literal: writes down everything you say - including Dick jokes
Suicidal: is ready to jump off a bridge at the slightest suggestion that you might want to change something they have done
Know-it-all (99% of all engineers): they're. So fucking smart that all customer input is ignored-engineers know better

I could go on all night
Link Posted: 10/3/2014 11:13:26 PM EST
No spekee no English - fucking Jersey. Are all of they're engineers from China?
Link Posted: 10/3/2014 11:13:33 PM EST
Dilbert has this well covered. Funny because it is true,and applies about everywhere.
Link Posted: 10/3/2014 11:16:09 PM EST
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ZERO COMMON SENSE: Can design the most badass car you've ever seen, but can't comprehend why you could possibly need or want a steering wheel
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Originally Posted By shorse:
Originally Posted By MEGR:
After working as an applications engineer for 6 years, I grew an intense dislike for most of our sales force. A lot of them are lazy, stupid, and overly demanding. They also seem to throw way too much weight around to the point where they routinely override sound engineering with pie-in-the-sky sales numbers. At least in my company, they run the joint. Engineers are just an accessory for their asinine ventures.

Any other engineers feel the same way?



Question from a buyer- does an engineering degree come with a free case of aspbergers? Finding an engineer that isn't socially retarded is a needle in a haystack
From my experience it is usually more like Tourette's. I have been in many board rooms where I would have been better off inviting Gary Busey than a highly talented, prima donna engineer.
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No spekee no English - fucking Jersey. Are all of they're engineers from China?
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Oops.
Link Posted: 10/3/2014 11:17:33 PM EST
Do you know why salesmen wear a tie, to keep the fore skin rolled down
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Oops.
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Originally Posted By shorse:
No spekee no English - fucking Jersey. Are all of they're engineers from China?


Oops.


Goddamn apple engineers and their fucking autocorrect. Takes 3x longer to type. Thanks but no thanks you fucking aspies
Link Posted: 10/3/2014 11:30:36 PM EST
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Goddamn apple engineers and their fucking autocorrect. Takes 3x longer to type. Thanks but no thanks you fucking aspies
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Originally Posted By sd_norske:
Originally Posted By shorse:
No spekee no English - fucking Jersey. Are all of they're engineers from China?


Oops.


Goddamn apple engineers and their fucking autocorrect. Takes 3x longer to type. Thanks but no thanks you fucking aspies


Try again. Autocorrect won't replace a properly spelled their with they're. Goddamn engineers.
Link Posted: 10/3/2014 11:32:01 PM EST
Thank God for the grammar douches
Link Posted: 10/3/2014 11:35:46 PM EST
I dislike both.
Link Posted: 10/3/2014 11:38:00 PM EST
lol Let the sales guys design something. That would be rich.
Link Posted: 10/3/2014 11:39:45 PM EST
Originally Posted By MEGR:
After working as an machinist for 8 years, I grew an intense dislike for most of our engineers. A lot of them are lazy, stupid, and overly demanding. They also seem to throw way too much weight around to the point where they routinely override sound machining with pie-in-the-sky engineering attempts. At least in my company, they run the joint. Machinists are just an accessory for their asinine ventures.

Any other machinists feel the same way?
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lol Let the sales guys design something. That would be rich.
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You've. Never seen a Swiss army knife?

Bonus autocorrect in there for you graammar homos. I' m going to add that as an other category of retarted engineers.

Link Posted: 10/3/2014 11:52:52 PM EST
Hahah you too, most all engineers see sales staff in this light....Fuck sales!
Link Posted: 10/3/2014 11:54:25 PM EST
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Originally Posted By MEGR:
After working as an applications engineer for 6 years, I grew an intense dislike for most of our sales force. A lot of them are lazy, stupid, and overly demanding. They also seem to throw way too much weight around to the point where they routinely override sound engineering with pie-in-the-sky sales numbers. At least in my company, they run the joint. Engineers are just an accessory for their asinine ventures.

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You need to start thinking like an engineer AND a salesman.

Stop griping. It won't get you anywhere.
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You've. Never seen a Swiss army knife?

Bonus autocorrect in there for you graammar homos. I' m going to add that as an other category of retarted engineers.

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Originally Posted By Rickesis:
lol Let the sales guys design something. That would be rich.

You've. Never seen a Swiss army knife?

Bonus autocorrect in there for you graammar homos. I' m going to add that as an other category of retarted engineers.



You seem to be upset that you got caught making up a bullshit excuse for your typo. I know what category of salesman you belong in.
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Originally Posted By shorse:

You've. Never seen a Swiss army knife?

Bonus autocorrect in there for you graammar homos. I' m going to add that as an other category of retarted engineers.

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Originally Posted By shorse:
Originally Posted By Rickesis:
lol Let the sales guys design something. That would be rich.

You've. Never seen a Swiss army knife?

Bonus autocorrect in there for you graammar homos. I' m going to add that as an other category of retarted engineers.


Maybe something dynamic?
Link Posted: 10/4/2014 12:06:47 AM EST
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You seem to be upset that you got caught making up a bullshit excuse for your typo. I know what category of salesman you belong in.
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Originally Posted By shorse:
Originally Posted By Rickesis:
lol Let the sales guys design something. That would be rich.

You've. Never seen a Swiss army knife?

Bonus autocorrect in there for you graammar homos. I' m going to add that as an other category of retarted engineers.


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You seem to be upset that you got caught making up a bullshit excuse for your typo. I know what category of salesman you belong in.


SINGLE-MINDED: Can only focusxon one issue, regardless if it is relevant or not. e.g. an engineer who is preoccupied with parallax - in an all digital system.

Yes, I probably spent twice as long correcting. The auto-corrections, but as long as the Swedish fish is happy...
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Originally Posted By shorse:
Originally Posted By MEGR:
After working as an applications engineer for 6 years, I grew an intense dislike for most of our sales force. A lot of them are lazy, stupid, and overly demanding. They also seem to throw way too much weight around to the point where they routinely override sound engineering with pie-in-the-sky sales numbers. At least in my company, they run the joint. Engineers are just an accessory for their asinine ventures.

Any other engineers feel the same way?



Question from a buyer- does an engineering degree come with a free case of aspbergers? Finding an engineer that isn't socially retarded is a needle in a haystack

My job (as an engineer) is 85% contractor wrangling. You can't be socially retarded and even semi productive.
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Originally Posted By shorse:
Originally Posted By MEGR:
After working as an applications engineer for 6 years, I grew an intense dislike for most of our sales force. A lot of them are lazy, stupid, and overly demanding. They also seem to throw way too much weight around to the point where they routinely override sound engineering with pie-in-the-sky sales numbers. At least in my company, they run the joint. Engineers are just an accessory for their asinine ventures.

Any other engineers feel the same way?



Question from a buyer- does an engineering degree come with a free case of aspbergers? Finding an engineer that isn't socially retarded is a needle in a haystack


None of the engineers I work with are socially retarded.

Maybe your place needs to find better engineers.
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SINGLE-MINDED: Can only focusxon one issue, regardless if it is relevant or not. e.g. an engineer who is preoccupied with parallax - in an all digital system.

Yes, I probably spent twice as long correcting. The auto-corrections, but as long as the Swedish fish is happy...
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Originally Posted By sd_norske:
Originally Posted By shorse:
Originally Posted By Rickesis:
lol Let the sales guys design something. That would be rich.

You've. Never seen a Swiss army knife?

Bonus autocorrect in there for you graammar homos. I' m going to add that as an other category of retarted engineers.


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You seem to be upset that you got caught making up a bullshit excuse for your typo. I know what category of salesman you belong in.


SINGLE-MINDED: Can only focusxon one issue, regardless if it is relevant or not. e.g. an engineer who is preoccupied with parallax - in an all digital system.

Yes, I probably spent twice as long correcting. The auto-corrections, but as long as the Swedish fish is happy...


Blaming the engineers for your mistake didn't work so let's try deflection. I've definitely got your category pegged.
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Originally Posted By shorse:
Originally Posted By MEGR:
After working as an applications engineer for 6 years, I grew an intense dislike for most of our sales force. A lot of them are lazy, stupid, and overly demanding. They also seem to throw way too much weight around to the point where they routinely override sound engineering with pie-in-the-sky sales numbers. At least in my company, they run the joint. Engineers are just an accessory for their asinine ventures.

Any other engineers feel the same way?



Question from a buyer- does an engineering degree come with a free case of aspbergers? Finding an engineer that isn't socially retarded is a needle in a haystack

LOL. Hilarious because it's mainly true.

A well designed product is worthless if it is not profitable or manufacturable. I've worked with countless engineers that could not grasp this.

And no, great product does not sell itself in all industries. Especially where competition is fierce.
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