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Posted: 10/3/2014 11:33:54 PM EDT
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I'm a hybrid of both.
I'm an A personality engineer. Lol! |
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Posted: 10/3/2014 11:36:40 PM EDT
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Yes. So I became a salesman. Now I design the projects the way I want, then I get the fun of selling them! |
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Posted: 10/3/2014 11:37:01 PM EDT
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We must work at the same place!!! I have to show this to our chief engineer. I manage the production of our assembly, him and I were just discussing the same exact thing yesterday. It's almost unreal how every time we turn around we are having to jump through hoops on their "sale". It's getting to a ponit where it's UN FUCKING REAL
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Posted: 10/3/2014 11:38:00 PM EDT
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Yes. So I became a salesman. Now I design the projects the way I want, then I get the fun of selling them! We do have sales guys that work just like you. We think the world of them, but they're so rare. |
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Posted: 10/3/2014 11:40:06 PM EDT
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So, I over-promised. Come on boys, you can do it, it's easy!
Then you do it.
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Posted: 10/3/2014 11:42:25 PM EDT
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The saying goes" Poor planning on your part does not constitute an emergency on my part"
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Posted: 10/3/2014 11:44:43 PM EDT
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Posted: 10/3/2014 11:50:34 PM EDT
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So, I over-promised. Come on boys, you can do it, it's easy! Then you do it. Yup, I hear that shit all the time. Salesmen: So I gave the customer 75% off a completely custom part that we never designed before. Hey, there's the potential to sell $40,000,000 of these for an industry that's a complete roller coaster. Oh, I have no proof of that these numbers will come to pass and no commitment from the customer. Engineer: Part cannot be designed w/o losing money. Also, we can't design a complete prototype in 6 months. Design will take 6 months, testing another 6 months. Salesmen: Fuck testing, just make it! Wtf is your problem? Sales manager: Make that shit in 4 months, or you're fired. *Jerks off to phantom $40,000,000 figure. Based on a true, ongoing story. Oh, it doesn't help that sales isn't paid on margin; just gross. Total bullshit. |
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Posted: 10/3/2014 11:51:07 PM EDT
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Don't worry. Good CEO's and upper management know better... Or they should. When things look grim you keep the talent that brought you the goods. You don't fire Engineers to keep sales people and cleaning people. You hire more engineers to innovate ... Or die !
Good product sells itself ! |
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Posted: 10/3/2014 11:54:03 PM EDT
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As a PM who gets drug into sales meetings with both sides, I generally hate you both equally.
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Posted: 10/3/2014 11:54:43 PM EDT
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Don't worry. Good CEO's and upper management know better... Or they should. When things look grim you keep the talent that brought you the goods. You don't fire Engineers to keep sales people and cleaning people. You hire more engineers to innovate ... Or die ! Good product sells itself ! A big +1! |
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Posted: 10/3/2014 11:55:10 PM EDT
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Meh, your over engineered, under built, over priced crap with jacked up buggy software is hard to sell, and all the engineers I've seen were allergic to any and all interaction with the customer base because they could not take the railing critical and practical breakdown of how their precious creation was lacking, not to mention they can't stand the confrontational nature of the sales process.
Most of your screw ups are fixed, figured out and your ass is covered by high school grads with 15-20 years as a tech that are now customer service reps working with savy salesmen who are neither dumb nor lazy or they wouldn't last 10 minutes in the profession. You just don't have a clue what they do. Guess what I do for a living. 
Effing engineers HA! |
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Posted: 10/3/2014 11:57:21 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: So, I over-promised. Come on boys, you can do it, it's easy! Then you do it. |
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Posted: 10/4/2014 12:01:25 AM EDT
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After working as an applications engineer for 6 years, I grew an intense dislike for most of our sales force. A lot of them are lazy, stupid, and overly demanding. They also seem to throw way too much weight around to the point where they routinely override sound engineering with pie-in-the-sky sales numbers. At least in my company, they run the joint. Engineers are just an accessory for their asinine ventures. Any other engineers feel the same way? Question from a buyer- does an engineering degree come with a free case of aspbergers? Finding an engineer that isn't socially retarded is a needle in a haystack |
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Posted: 10/4/2014 12:04:52 AM EDT
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Question from a buyer- does an engineering degree come with a free case of aspbergers? Finding an engineer that isn't socially retarded is a needle in a haystack Quote HistoryQuoted:
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After working as an applications engineer for 6 years, I grew an intense dislike for most of our sales force. A lot of them are lazy, stupid, and overly demanding. They also seem to throw way too much weight around to the point where they routinely override sound engineering with pie-in-the-sky sales numbers. At least in my company, they run the joint. Engineers are just an accessory for their asinine ventures. Any other engineers feel the same way? Question from a buyer- does an engineering degree come with a free case of aspbergers? Finding an engineer that isn't socially retarded is a needle in a haystack Good engineers usually cost lots of money. |
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Posted: 10/4/2014 12:07:17 AM EDT
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Don't worry. Good CEO's and upper management know better... Or they should. When things look grim you keep the talent that brought you the goods. You don't fire Engineers to keep sales people and cleaning people. You hire more engineers to innovate ... Or die ! Good product sells itself !
That is some funny shit right there. |
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Posted: 10/4/2014 12:07:56 AM EDT
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Question from a buyer- does an engineering degree come with a free case of aspbergers? Finding an engineer that isn't socially retarded is a needle in a haystack Quote HistoryQuoted:
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After working as an applications engineer for 6 years, I grew an intense dislike for most of our sales force. A lot of them are lazy, stupid, and overly demanding. They also seem to throw way too much weight around to the point where they routinely override sound engineering with pie-in-the-sky sales numbers. At least in my company, they run the joint. Engineers are just an accessory for their asinine ventures. Any other engineers feel the same way? Question from a buyer- does an engineering degree come with a free case of aspbergers? Finding an engineer that isn't socially retarded is a needle in a haystack At least in my place of work, engineers have constant interaction with customers. We're completely accessible to any customer, up to face-to-face visits around the US. |
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Posted: 10/4/2014 12:09:17 AM EDT
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Types of engineers I have encountered:
Literal: writes down everything you say - including Dick jokes Suicidal: is ready to jump off a bridge at the slightest suggestion that you might want to change something they have done Know-it-all (99% of all engineers): they're. So fucking smart that all customer input is ignored-engineers know better I could go on all night |
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Posted: 10/4/2014 12:13:26 AM EDT
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No spekee no English - fucking Jersey. Are all of they're engineers from China?
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Posted: 10/4/2014 12:13:33 AM EDT
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Dilbert has this well covered. Funny because it is true,and applies about everywhere.
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Posted: 10/4/2014 12:16:09 AM EDT
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ZERO COMMON SENSE: Can design the most badass car you've ever seen, but can't comprehend why you could possibly need or want a steering wheel
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Posted: 10/4/2014 12:16:30 AM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: Question from a buyer- does an engineering degree come with a free case of aspbergers? Finding an engineer that isn't socially retarded is a needle in a haystack Quote HistoryQuoted: Quoted: After working as an applications engineer for 6 years, I grew an intense dislike for most of our sales force. A lot of them are lazy, stupid, and overly demanding. They also seem to throw way too much weight around to the point where they routinely override sound engineering with pie-in-the-sky sales numbers. At least in my company, they run the joint. Engineers are just an accessory for their asinine ventures. Any other engineers feel the same way? Question from a buyer- does an engineering degree come with a free case of aspbergers? Finding an engineer that isn't socially retarded is a needle in a haystack |
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Posted: 10/4/2014 12:16:46 AM EDT
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No spekee no English - fucking Jersey. Are all of they're engineers from China? Oops. |
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Posted: 10/4/2014 12:17:33 AM EDT
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Do you know why salesmen wear a tie, to keep the fore skin rolled down
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Posted: 10/4/2014 12:21:14 AM EDT
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No spekee no English - fucking Jersey. Are all of they're engineers from China? Oops. Goddamn apple engineers and their fucking autocorrect. Takes 3x longer to type. Thanks but no thanks you fucking aspies 
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Posted: 10/4/2014 12:30:36 AM EDT
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Goddamn apple engineers and their fucking autocorrect. Takes 3x longer to type. Thanks but no thanks you fucking aspies Quote HistoryQuoted:
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No spekee no English - fucking Jersey. Are all of they're engineers from China? Oops. Goddamn apple engineers and their fucking autocorrect. Takes 3x longer to type. Thanks but no thanks you fucking aspies Try again. Autocorrect won't replace a properly spelled their with they're. Goddamn engineers. 
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Posted: 10/4/2014 12:32:01 AM EDT
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Thank God for the grammar douches
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Posted: 10/4/2014 12:35:46 AM EDT
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I dislike both.
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Posted: 10/4/2014 12:38:00 AM EDT
[#29]
lol Let the sales guys design something. That would be rich.
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Posted: 10/4/2014 12:39:45 AM EDT
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Quoted: After working as an machinist for 8 years, I grew an intense dislike for most of our engineers. A lot of them are lazy, stupid, and overly demanding. They also seem to throw way too much weight around to the point where they routinely override sound machining with pie-in-the-sky engineering attempts. At least in my company, they run the joint. Machinists are just an accessory for their asinine ventures. Any other machinists feel the same way? |
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Posted: 10/4/2014 12:41:38 AM EDT
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lol Let the sales guys design something. That would be rich. You've. Never seen a Swiss army knife? Bonus autocorrect in there for you graammar homos. I' m going to add that as an other category of retarted engineers. |
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Posted: 10/4/2014 12:52:52 AM EDT
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Hahah you too, most all engineers see sales staff in this light....Fuck sales!
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Posted: 10/4/2014 12:54:25 AM EDT
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After working as an applications engineer for 6 years, I grew an intense dislike for most of our sales force. A lot of them are lazy, stupid, and overly demanding. They also seem to throw way too much weight around to the point where they routinely override sound engineering with pie-in-the-sky sales numbers. At least in my company, they run the joint. Engineers are just an accessory for their asinine ventures. Any other engineers feel the same way? You need to start thinking like an engineer AND a salesman. Stop griping. It won't get you anywhere. |
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Posted: 10/4/2014 12:55:58 AM EDT
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You've. Never seen a Swiss army knife? Bonus autocorrect in there for you graammar homos. I' m going to add that as an other category of retarted engineers. Quote HistoryQuoted:
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lol Let the sales guys design something. That would be rich. You've. Never seen a Swiss army knife? Bonus autocorrect in there for you graammar homos. I' m going to add that as an other category of retarted engineers. You seem to be upset that you got caught making up a bullshit excuse for your typo. I know what category of salesman you belong in.
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Posted: 10/4/2014 12:57:42 AM EDT
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You've. Never seen a Swiss army knife? Bonus autocorrect in there for you graammar homos. I' m going to add that as an other category of retarted engineers. Quote HistoryQuoted:
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lol Let the sales guys design something. That would be rich. You've. Never seen a Swiss army knife? Bonus autocorrect in there for you graammar homos. I' m going to add that as an other category of retarted engineers. Maybe something dynamic? |
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Posted: 10/4/2014 1:06:47 AM EDT
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. You seem to be upset that you got caught making up a bullshit excuse for your typo. I know what category of salesman you belong in.Quote HistoryQuoted:
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lol Let the sales guys design something. That would be rich. You've. Never seen a Swiss army knife? Bonus autocorrect in there for you graammar homos. I' m going to add that as an other category of retarted engineers. . You seem to be upset that you got caught making up a bullshit excuse for your typo. I know what category of salesman you belong in.SINGLE-MINDED: Can only focusxon one issue, regardless if it is relevant or not. e.g. an engineer who is preoccupied with parallax - in an all digital system. Yes, I probably spent twice as long correcting. The auto-corrections, but as long as the Swedish fish is happy... |
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Posted: 10/4/2014 1:36:33 AM EDT
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Question from a buyer- does an engineering degree come with a free case of aspbergers? Finding an engineer that isn't socially retarded is a needle in a haystack Quote HistoryQuoted:
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After working as an applications engineer for 6 years, I grew an intense dislike for most of our sales force. A lot of them are lazy, stupid, and overly demanding. They also seem to throw way too much weight around to the point where they routinely override sound engineering with pie-in-the-sky sales numbers. At least in my company, they run the joint. Engineers are just an accessory for their asinine ventures. Any other engineers feel the same way? Question from a buyer- does an engineering degree come with a free case of aspbergers? Finding an engineer that isn't socially retarded is a needle in a haystack My job (as an engineer) is 85% contractor wrangling. You can't be socially retarded and even semi productive. |
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Posted: 10/4/2014 1:39:03 AM EDT
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Question from a buyer- does an engineering degree come with a free case of aspbergers? Finding an engineer that isn't socially retarded is a needle in a haystack Quote HistoryQuoted:
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After working as an applications engineer for 6 years, I grew an intense dislike for most of our sales force. A lot of them are lazy, stupid, and overly demanding. They also seem to throw way too much weight around to the point where they routinely override sound engineering with pie-in-the-sky sales numbers. At least in my company, they run the joint. Engineers are just an accessory for their asinine ventures. Any other engineers feel the same way? Question from a buyer- does an engineering degree come with a free case of aspbergers? Finding an engineer that isn't socially retarded is a needle in a haystack None of the engineers I work with are socially retarded. Maybe your place needs to find better engineers. |
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Posted: 10/4/2014 3:04:08 AM EDT
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SINGLE-MINDED: Can only focusxon one issue, regardless if it is relevant or not. e.g. an engineer who is preoccupied with parallax - in an all digital system. Yes, I probably spent twice as long correcting. The auto-corrections, but as long as the Swedish fish is happy... Quote HistoryQuoted:
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lol Let the sales guys design something. That would be rich. You've. Never seen a Swiss army knife? Bonus autocorrect in there for you graammar homos. I' m going to add that as an other category of retarted engineers. . You seem to be upset that you got caught making up a bullshit excuse for your typo. I know what category of salesman you belong in.SINGLE-MINDED: Can only focusxon one issue, regardless if it is relevant or not. e.g. an engineer who is preoccupied with parallax - in an all digital system. Yes, I probably spent twice as long correcting. The auto-corrections, but as long as the Swedish fish is happy... Blaming the engineers for your mistake didn't work so let's try deflection. I've definitely got your category pegged. |
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Posted: 10/4/2014 3:16:00 AM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: Question from a buyer- does an engineering degree come with a free case of aspbergers? Finding an engineer that isn't socially retarded is a needle in a haystack Quote HistoryQuoted: Quoted: After working as an applications engineer for 6 years, I grew an intense dislike for most of our sales force. A lot of them are lazy, stupid, and overly demanding. They also seem to throw way too much weight around to the point where they routinely override sound engineering with pie-in-the-sky sales numbers. At least in my company, they run the joint. Engineers are just an accessory for their asinine ventures. Any other engineers feel the same way? Question from a buyer- does an engineering degree come with a free case of aspbergers? Finding an engineer that isn't socially retarded is a needle in a haystack LOL. Hilarious because it's mainly true. A well designed product is worthless if it is not profitable or manufacturable. I've worked with countless engineers that could not grasp this. And no, great product does not sell itself in all industries. Especially where competition is fierce. |
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