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Posted: 4/20/2016 12:37:29 PM EDT
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Link Posted: 4/20/2016 12:44:08 PM EDT
I would love to hear the story on that B-17!!!

I am sure the Japanese got a ton of stuff from us after the Philippines fell.
Link Posted: 4/20/2016 12:45:30 PM EDT
Wow, I'd never seen those pics before.
Thanks OP
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Originally Posted By rebel_rifle:
I would love to hear the story on that B-17!!!

I am sure the Japanese got a ton of stuff from us after the Philippines fell.
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http://www.warbirdinformationexchange.org/phpBB3/viewtopic.php?f=3&t=57666
Link Posted: 4/20/2016 12:47:44 PM EDT
Provided I could get the ammo to feed it, I'd be trying my damnedest to carry an M1 Carbine, no matter which side I was on in WW2.
Link Posted: 4/20/2016 12:49:37 PM EDT
How do you capture an intact aircraft?
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Originally Posted By Tuco22:
Originally Posted By rebel_rifle:
I would love to hear the story on that B-17!!!

I am sure the Japanese got a ton of stuff from us after the Philippines fell.

http://www.warbirdinformationexchange.org/phpBB3/viewtopic.php?f=3&t=57666



GD comes through again, thanks!


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Originally Posted By CKxx:
How do you capture an intact aircraft?
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You either: A. Force it to land through damage or just treat of being shot down, or B. Capture the airfield at which it was based.
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Originally Posted By CKxx:
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1. Minor mechanical issue forces it down behind enemy lines.

2. Several damaged aircraft are used to cobble together one intact one.

3. Hope the enemy accidentally lands one at wrong airfield. https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Armin_Faber

4. Send in Clint Eastwood to steal one.
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Link Posted: 4/20/2016 1:33:39 PM EDT
Good pics. I remember seeing a pic of Germans surrendering arms and dumping many a carbine onto a wagon.


They pulled a t34 out of Latvia I think that was German marked a few years back.
Link Posted: 4/20/2016 1:39:32 PM EDT
Germans used a LOT of allied equipment - Soviet anti-tank guns (re-chambered for a German round), T-34s, 1911 pistols, and any truck they could get their hands on. Jeeps too.
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any truck they could get their hands on. Jeeps too.
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Trucks and ships win wars.
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Originally Posted By DeltaElite777:


You either: A. Force it to land through damage or just treat of being shot down, or B. Capture the airfield at which it was based.
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Originally Posted By DeltaElite777:
Originally Posted By CKxx:
How do you capture an intact aircraft?


You either: A. Force it to land through damage or just treat of being shot down, or B. Capture the airfield at which it was based.



Or you hope a pilot gets lost and lands at one of your airfields (happened a few times,) or hope some traitorous piece of slime defects with his plane. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Martin_James_Monti
Link Posted: 4/20/2016 2:01:33 PM EDT
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The Fallschirmjaeger with the browning .30 cal has it mounted backward on the tripod, and he's holding the T&E mechanism in his hand to manage his elevation and traverse. he's also using the grip as an ersatz buttstock. Probably trying to adapt his MG-34 or 42 training to the new platform. Interesting.
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Originally Posted By Sajer:
Good pics. I remember seeing a pic of Germans surrendering arms and dumping many a carbine onto a wagon.


They pulled a t34 out of Latvia I think that was German marked a few years back.
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Tanks were routinely repaired and put back into service by all parties. I can't remember the book, but a while back I was reading one that had a picture of a Matilda II being repainted with Aussie markings, while the guys were painting over German markings, which had been painted over NZ markings, over Italian markings, over British markings.
Link Posted: 4/20/2016 2:09:28 PM EDT
It isn't exactly using an allied weapon but the Japanese copied the M2 Browning and scaled it up to fire a 20mm cartridge. They also developed a 30mm Browning.
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Tanks were routinely repaired and put back into service by all parties. I can't remember the book, but a while back I was reading one that had a picture of a Matilda II being repainted with Aussie markings, while the guys were painting over German markings, which had been painted over NZ markings, over Italian markings, over British markings.
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Originally Posted By scotchymcdrinkerbean:
Originally Posted By Sajer:
Good pics. I remember seeing a pic of Germans surrendering arms and dumping many a carbine onto a wagon.


They pulled a t34 out of Latvia I think that was German marked a few years back.


Tanks were routinely repaired and put back into service by all parties. I can't remember the book, but a while back I was reading one that had a picture of a Matilda II being repainted with Aussie markings, while the guys were painting over German markings, which had been painted over NZ markings, over Italian markings, over British markings.

Was it in one of those magazine sized WWII armor books from the '70s? If it was then I know the picture you're talking about.

That tank had to have the most unique combination of funk wafting around in it than any other in the entire North African theater.
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Originally Posted By Sajer:
Good pics. I remember seeing a pic of Germans surrendering arms and dumping many a carbine onto a wagon.


They pulled a t34 out of Latvia I think that was German marked a few years back.
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Here it is

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Originally Posted By Fulminata:

Was it in one of those magazine sized WWII armor books from the '70s? If it was then I know the picture you're talking about.

That tank had to have the most unique combination of funk wafting around in it than any other in the entire North African theater.
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Originally Posted By Fulminata:
Originally Posted By scotchymcdrinkerbean:
Originally Posted By Sajer:
Good pics. I remember seeing a pic of Germans surrendering arms and dumping many a carbine onto a wagon.


They pulled a t34 out of Latvia I think that was German marked a few years back.


Tanks were routinely repaired and put back into service by all parties. I can't remember the book, but a while back I was reading one that had a picture of a Matilda II being repainted with Aussie markings, while the guys were painting over German markings, which had been painted over NZ markings, over Italian markings, over British markings.

Was it in one of those magazine sized WWII armor books from the '70s? If it was then I know the picture you're talking about.

That tank had to have the most unique combination of funk wafting around in it than any other in the entire North African theater.


Yep, sounds about right. And by a while back, I mean rather closer to the publication of the book than the present day. I was using it, along with a bunch of other sources, to write a research paper on the North African Campaign for a combined history/English class in college.
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Allied use of Enemy weapons WW2








Mamma Mia!


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When I get home I will try and remember to post some pics that my grandfather took during the war. I remember seeing pictures of German soldiers with Garands, PPSH, and Thompsons (apparently these were like Lugers were to GIs).
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Originally Posted By bob1946:
It isn't exactly using an allied weapon but the Japanese copied the M2 Browning and scaled it up to fire a 20mm cartridge. They also developed a 30mm Browning.
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The Army did---the Navy insisted on using local copies of German weapons. The Japanese army also used pretty direct copies of the M2, the Ho-103, though they were slightly different in that they used a shorter, lower velocity cartridge copied from the Italian 12.7 Breda-SAFAT. Which was itself a scaled up Browning 1919.
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Originally Posted By scotchymcdrinkerbean:


Yep, sounds about right. And by a while back, I mean rather closer to the publication of the book than the present day. I was using it, along with a bunch of other sources, to write a research paper on the North African Campaign for a combined history/English class in college.
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Originally Posted By scotchymcdrinkerbean:
Originally Posted By Fulminata:
Originally Posted By scotchymcdrinkerbean:
Originally Posted By Sajer:
Good pics. I remember seeing a pic of Germans surrendering arms and dumping many a carbine onto a wagon.


They pulled a t34 out of Latvia I think that was German marked a few years back.


Tanks were routinely repaired and put back into service by all parties. I can't remember the book, but a while back I was reading one that had a picture of a Matilda II being repainted with Aussie markings, while the guys were painting over German markings, which had been painted over NZ markings, over Italian markings, over British markings.

Was it in one of those magazine sized WWII armor books from the '70s? If it was then I know the picture you're talking about.

That tank had to have the most unique combination of funk wafting around in it than any other in the entire North African theater.


Yep, sounds about right. And by a while back, I mean rather closer to the publication of the book than the present day. I was using it, along with a bunch of other sources, to write a research paper on the North African Campaign for a combined history/English class in college.

Yeah there was a series of them, I had like 3-4 of them when I was a kid, actually I had them up until 10 years or so ago when the box they were in got lost in move. But I'm 90% sure that picture was in it, along with another neat color one that I hadn't seen before (or since, I don't think) of Panzer IVs being offloaded in Tunis with just primer on them.


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Originally Posted By Dog1:
My Great Uncle killed a Kraut carrying a Sten SMG and a Browning HP.

He tossed the Sten and kept the HP.
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Actual Sten, or MP-3008?

And the Germans used a lot of P-35s (or whatever their designation,) what with their controlling the FN plant in Belgium and all.
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Originally Posted By Sajer:
Good pics. I remember seeing a pic of Germans surrendering arms and dumping many a carbine onto a wagon.


They pulled a t34 out of Latvia I think that was German marked a few years back.
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In Estonia


And Latvia
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Originally Posted By DeltaElite777:
Provided I could get the ammo to feed it, I'd be trying my damnedest to carry an M1 Carbine, no matter which side I was on in WW2.
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My dad carried one as an RTO with MACV (not SOG) in Vietnam. He has nothing but bad things to say about the rifle, and tells me he managed to get his hands on a Thompson and never took the carbine out again.
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Originally Posted By Dog1:


I showed him a pic of Sten and he said that is what it looked like.

As for the HP, I knew they used them from their controlling of the plant. Those have the Nazi proofs, his does not.

One day I will get it, once my Dad is gone.
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Originally Posted By Dog1:
Originally Posted By scotchymcdrinkerbean:
Originally Posted By Dog1:
My Great Uncle killed a Kraut carrying a Sten SMG and a Browning HP.

He tossed the Sten and kept the HP.



Actual Sten, or MP-3008?

And the Germans used a lot of P-35s (or whatever their designation,) what with their controlling the FN plant in Belgium and all.


I showed him a pic of Sten and he said that is what it looked like.

As for the HP, I knew they used them from their controlling of the plant. Those have the Nazi proofs, his does not.

One day I will get it, once my Dad is gone.


Roger, just curious. The German copy had the magwell on the bottom (well, except for a few identical copies for infiltration sorts, but I don't think very many of those were even made.)
Link Posted: 4/20/2016 2:55:17 PM EDT
I know the German troops like the Russian PPSh-41 on the eastern front, because of it high capacity and reliability.

Dave
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Originally Posted By PaladinM1911:
I know the German troops like the Russian PPSh-41 on the eastern front, because of it high capacity and reliability.
https://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/0/01/PPSh-41_from_soviet.jpg
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And they could fire 7.63mm Mauser.
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Originally Posted By Sajer:
Good pics. I remember seeing a pic of Germans surrendering arms and dumping many a carbine onto a wagon.


They pulled a t34 out of Latvia I think that was German marked a few years back.
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Father in Law was Tanker in the Fuhrer Escort Battalion of Inf Division Gross Deutschland, he told me they were more than happy to turn T34s around against the Russians especially the first Winter when the best the could muster in quantity were Panzer IIIF with 5cm guns or Panzer IVF low velocity 7,5cm gun.

Use of T34s by both sides and the common winter uniform of woolen overcoat and fur cap led to some confusion at times, he said his Plt pulled into a collective farm near dusk to hole up for the night where another Plt was supposed to already be. They pulled in, oriented their T34s, hauled their sleeping kit and heaters inside an unoccupied building, and set up a guard roster. A few hours later, one of their Soldats goes out to relieve the guard, only to discover he is a Russian, who starts yelling "Oh Shitski!" and runs towards his Plt mates, while the Soldat yells "Scheisse!" and runs back to his Plt mates, T34s start cranking up, bodies in overcoats and fur caps start running from buildings to tanks hauling gear, then T34s head out of town in opposite directions without a single shot being fired.

He also spoke of shooting at lend-lease Sherman and Churchill tanks later in the war.


Link Posted: 4/20/2016 2:59:25 PM EDT
Was the German MP38/40 temperamental or were they a reliable machine pistol (SMG)?


Dave
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Cool thread OP.
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Actual Sten, or MP-3008?

And the Germans used a lot of P-35s (or whatever their designation,) what with their controlling the FN plant in Belgium and all.
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Originally Posted By scotchymcdrinkerbean:
Originally Posted By Dog1:
My Great Uncle killed a Kraut carrying a Sten SMG and a Browning HP.

He tossed the Sten and kept the HP.



Actual Sten, or MP-3008?

And the Germans used a lot of P-35s (or whatever their designation,) what with their controlling the FN plant in Belgium and all.
Pi-635(b)
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The pictures are very interesting but I would love to read some impressions by soldiers on the opposite of their opinions/experiences with captured weapons. Either direction really, US with captured Axis guns and enemies with capture US pieces.
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Double tap... obviously I'm using a captured enemy keyboard.
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Originally Posted By PaladinM1911:
Was the German MP38/40 temperamental or were they a reliable machine pistol (SMG)?
https://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/7/70/MP_40_AYF_3.JPG

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Best SMG of the war.. by a fair amount. Pretty much the perfect "balance" between ease of manufacture and refinement.
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P-38 Lightening with Nazi markings
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Well, F-5, anyway.
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Originally Posted By PaladinM1911:
Was the German MP38/40 temperamental or were they a reliable machine pistol (SMG)?
https://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/7/70/MP_40_AYF_3.JPG

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its a good submachine gun
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Originally Posted By JBski:


Philippine M1917's ?

http://i221.photobucket.com/albums/dd79/brownj255/Firearms/Right.jpg
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Could be Chinese or Dutch as well.
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Originally Posted By scotchymcdrinkerbean:



Or you hope a pilot gets lost and lands at one of your airfields (happened a few times,) or hope some traitorous piece of slime defects with his plane. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Martin_James_Monti
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Originally Posted By scotchymcdrinkerbean:
Originally Posted By DeltaElite777:
Originally Posted By CKxx:
How do you capture an intact aircraft?


You either: A. Force it to land through damage or just treat of being shot down, or B. Capture the airfield at which it was based.



Or you hope a pilot gets lost and lands at one of your airfields (happened a few times,) or hope some traitorous piece of slime defects with his plane. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Martin_James_Monti

How the fuck did that guy not get executed?
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Originally Posted By CKxx:
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Because Dugout Doug let them have it!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
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Originally Posted By USMC6177:

How the fuck did that guy not get executed?
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Originally Posted By USMC6177:
Originally Posted By scotchymcdrinkerbean:
Originally Posted By DeltaElite777:
Originally Posted By CKxx:
How do you capture an intact aircraft?


You either: A. Force it to land through damage or just treat of being shot down, or B. Capture the airfield at which it was based.



Or you hope a pilot gets lost and lands at one of your airfields (happened a few times,) or hope some traitorous piece of slime defects with his plane. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Martin_James_Monti

How the fuck did that guy not get executed?


Because the military wasn't really too sure they did the right thing shooting Eddie Slovik to make an example and the US had decided Communists were the enemy by 1948,which was his reason for defection.
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