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Posted: 10/7/2004 3:20:26 AM EST
Link Posted: 10/7/2004 3:22:33 AM EST
[Last Edit: 10/7/2004 5:56:23 AM EST by HiramRanger]
Link Posted: 10/7/2004 3:26:36 AM EST
Wow, i thought you were joking about the final projected map. What the hell is with this guy?

Keving67
Link Posted: 10/7/2004 3:27:23 AM EST
So, because Bush isnt above the 300 mark means electoral-vote is lying?
Ever think maybe people dont want Bush in, and he's not doing to well with the public??
Link Posted: 10/7/2004 3:28:42 AM EST
I am going to have to go on seditives soon if this election stays this close
Link Posted: 10/7/2004 3:31:43 AM EST
Link Posted: 10/7/2004 3:31:47 AM EST

Originally Posted By Specop_007:
So, because Bush isnt above the 300 mark means electoral-vote is lying?
Ever think maybe people dont want Bush in, and he's not doing to well with the public??



All of my friends are voting for Kerry, I have two cousins voting for Kerry, the future in-laws are all voting for Kerry, clients are voting for Kerry. Boss is voting Bush, as am I, the GF and my parents. I think the problem is that after Clinton the nation had to grow up and act like an adult once again and the sheeple don't like it.
Link Posted: 10/7/2004 3:33:08 AM EST

Originally Posted By Specop_007:
So, because Bush isnt above the 300 mark means electoral-vote is lying?
Ever think maybe people dont want Bush in, and he's not doing to well with the public??



No

The only people who say that Bush has been unpopular are the media, and as they have been caught repeatedly by the Internet fabricating stories, their reporting MUST be discounted.
Link Posted: 10/7/2004 3:34:43 AM EST
fixed

Link Posted: 10/7/2004 3:38:31 AM EST
The one that still looks decent, the one from electionprojection.com, was last updated on friggin' Sunday.



I am going to have to go on seditives soon if this election stays this close


+1
Link Posted: 10/7/2004 3:48:01 AM EST
[Last Edit: 10/7/2004 3:48:41 AM EST by Specop_007]

Originally Posted By HiramRanger:

Originally Posted By Specop_007:
So, because Bush isnt above the 300 mark means electoral-vote is lying?
Ever think maybe people dont want Bush in, and he's not doing to well with the public??



No, earlier this week/last week he went to including several polls from each state to smooth out the numbers and give a more reasonable look at how the race was shaking out. There was such an outcry from the left that the map got too red that he has been selectively using polls to make the map more blue... as evidenced by his new "final projection."

So ummmmmm why don't you go back to DUh specop_0000000000000



HAHA *snort* YOU MADE A FUNNAY WILBUR *snort*



Fact is, I can name more people voting for Skerry then Bush.
Link Posted: 10/7/2004 4:05:30 AM EST
I see way more sKerry signs around here than Bush signs, but hell I'm in Illinois right outside of St Louis.
Link Posted: 10/7/2004 4:26:36 AM EST
I am growing tired of this bullshit myself. I don't know where to look for the truth, now this scratcher who had seemed impartial to some extent, is rigging the map. I may have to quit following the election and just show up at the poll on Nov 2 and do my part in this clusterfuck.
Link Posted: 10/7/2004 4:38:20 AM EST
I still remember teh election of '84 when Ronaldus Maximus destroyed Mondale.
I long for those days again

Link Posted: 10/7/2004 4:45:40 AM EST

Originally Posted By Specop_007:
Fact is, I can name more people voting for Skerry then Bush.



Well, THAT proves...absolutely fucking nothing.
Except perhaps that you hang out with losers.
Link Posted: 10/7/2004 4:49:07 AM EST
If you're really following the news and you don't see that W's numbers are dropping, then you've got your head in the sand.
Link Posted: 10/7/2004 4:49:27 AM EST

Originally Posted By RikWriter:

Originally Posted By Specop_007:
Fact is, I can name more people voting for Skerry then Bush.



Well, THAT proves...absolutely fucking nothing.
Except perhaps that you hang out with losers.



Ok high speed, whatever you say All Knowing Magnus.

Guess we'll find out damned soon enough anyways.
Link Posted: 10/7/2004 4:51:48 AM EST

Originally Posted By Carbine_Man:
If you're really following the news and you don't see that W's numbers are dropping, then you've got your head in the sand.



+1

Wake up people....
Link Posted: 10/7/2004 4:52:53 AM EST

Originally Posted By sydney7629:
I still remember teh election of '84 when Ronaldus Maximus destroyed Mondale.
I long for those days again






I voted for Reagan in 1984, unlike the majority of the State where I live, Damn that is still embarassing
Link Posted: 10/7/2004 4:53:21 AM EST

Originally Posted By -M60_Gunner-:

Originally Posted By Carbine_Man:
If you're really following the news and you don't see that W's numbers are dropping, then you've got your head in the sand.



+1

Wake up people....



Wow, then I guess Hiram and Rik have sand up past their ass crack.
Link Posted: 10/7/2004 4:54:46 AM EST

Originally Posted By Specop_007:

Originally Posted By -M60_Gunner-:

Originally Posted By Carbine_Man:
If you're really following the news and you don't see that W's numbers are dropping, then you've got your head in the sand.



+1

Wake up people....



Wow, then I guess Hiram and Rik have sand up past their ass crack.



+1....
Link Posted: 10/7/2004 4:55:00 AM EST
SpecOPs is basing his opinion on people he knows, he must know a liberal crowd. He's in Kansas, a solid Bush state.
Link Posted: 10/7/2004 4:59:23 AM EST
[Last Edit: 10/7/2004 5:00:04 AM EST by Specop_007]

Originally Posted By Rabid_Coyote:
SpecOPs is basing his opinion on people he knows, he must know a liberal crowd. He's in Kansas, a solid Bush state.



No, I'm basing it on polls, news media and trends. And additional impromptu test is how many bumper stickers I see and what people on the street say.
You all wanna sit back and think this is gonna get handed to Bush on a silver platter.
HELLO MCFLY. He aint won SHIT yet, and the minute you start laughing at doomsayers like myself and thinking Bush is an easy win, your gonna get caugth with your ass hanging in the wind. This election is FAR from over, and FAR from won for Bush.

So everyone go ahead with the wiseass jokes and cute little fuckin comments, but if Bush DOES ned up losing dont fucking cry about it because maybe, JUST MAYBE you should have been spending your time helping Bush instead of thinking up cute little shit to say.

But to add, yes alot of people I know are sadly liberals.
Link Posted: 10/7/2004 5:02:20 AM EST

Originally Posted By Specop_007:

Originally Posted By RikWriter:

Originally Posted By Specop_007:
Fact is, I can name more people voting for Skerry then Bush.



Well, THAT proves...absolutely fucking nothing.
Except perhaps that you hang out with losers.



Ok high speed, whatever you say All Knowing Magnus.

Guess we'll find out damned soon enough anyways.



Um...hate to interject a little obvious logic here, but the NUMBER of people who vote for sKerry doesn't exactly matter per se. Must we point out that Gore had more popular vote than Bush yet still lost the election?

Besides, if I went just based on my own limited area of "polling" then I'd probably think Kerry will win too. Probably 60-70% of the people I know will vote for that POS too, but I don't know 6 or 7 hundred thousand people so what does that say?

Absolutely nothing.
Link Posted: 10/7/2004 5:06:00 AM EST

Originally Posted By Specop_007:

Originally Posted By Rabid_Coyote:
SpecOPs is basing his opinion on people he knows, he must know a liberal crowd. He's in Kansas, a solid Bush state.



No, I'm basing it on polls, news media and trends. And additional impromptu test is how many bumper stickers I see and what people on the street say.
You all wanna sit back and think this is gonna get handed to Bush on a silver platter.
HELLO MCFLY. He aint won SHIT yet, and the minute you start laughing at doomsayers like myself and thinking Bush is an easy win, your gonna get caugth with your ass hanging in the wind. This election is FAR from over, and FAR from won for Bush.

So everyone go ahead with the wiseass jokes and cute little fuckin comments, but if Bush DOES ned up losing dont fucking cry about it because maybe, JUST MAYBE you should have been spending your time helping Bush instead of thinking up cute little shit to say.

But to add, yes alot of people I know are sadly liberals.



OK, I can agree with that. It is far from over and I do see Bush's numbers falling.
However, I DON'T see Kerry's numbers RISING so basically we're getting back to a bunch of undecided voters.
Link Posted: 10/7/2004 5:07:56 AM EST

Originally Posted By drache:

Originally Posted By Specop_007:

Originally Posted By Rabid_Coyote:
SpecOPs is basing his opinion on people he knows, he must know a liberal crowd. He's in Kansas, a solid Bush state.



No, I'm basing it on polls, news media and trends. And additional impromptu test is how many bumper stickers I see and what people on the street say.
You all wanna sit back and think this is gonna get handed to Bush on a silver platter.
HELLO MCFLY. He aint won SHIT yet, and the minute you start laughing at doomsayers like myself and thinking Bush is an easy win, your gonna get caugth with your ass hanging in the wind. This election is FAR from over, and FAR from won for Bush.

So everyone go ahead with the wiseass jokes and cute little fuckin comments, but if Bush DOES ned up losing dont fucking cry about it because maybe, JUST MAYBE you should have been spending your time helping Bush instead of thinking up cute little shit to say.

But to add, yes alot of people I know are sadly liberals.



OK, I can agree with that. It is far from over and I do see Bush's numbers falling.
However, I DON'T see Kerry's numbers RISING so basically we're getting back to a bunch of undecided voters.



EXACTLY. And an undecided voter is essentially a wildcard. Which means we could be staring at the numbers thinking we have it, then POW. Come election ngiht those undecided's and those newly registered young voters who most likely WERENT polled come out and vote for Skerry and voila. Our next Pres is NOT Bush (Which would seriously, seriously suck)
Link Posted: 10/7/2004 5:13:17 AM EST
Link Posted: 10/7/2004 5:13:18 AM EST
Link Posted: 10/7/2004 5:17:32 AM EST
Um, when I went to electoral-vote.com just now and clicked on final projected map it shows Kerry with 538 electoral votes and Bush with 0...

Link Posted: 10/7/2004 5:20:16 AM EST
Link Posted: 10/7/2004 5:22:26 AM EST

Originally Posted By HiramRanger:
You see Bush's numbers falling in large part because the polling demographics were skewed to show a huge Bush lead - which if you look back I said was inflated - and the demographic model has since been changed to bias for Kerry... low and behold... the comeback kid is surging. Despite these efforts by the left, Bush still maintains a lead in most polls.

Hey spec_ed, ever think the reason they are doing that is to induce the exact reaction you are displaying? The sky is falling the sky is falling! And because you are clearly clueless beyond belief, I'm not sitting here thinking of cute things to say. I am a paid political operative. I work elections, I conduct fundraising operations, I develop ad campaigns, I organize voter registration drives and get-out-the-vote initiatives. I am a state poll inspector to combat election fraud. So tell me spec_ed... what are YOU doing other than stirring shit as a DUh plant?

The point you seem to be missing is you are being fed a steady diet of propoganda... and like Roseanne at an all you can eat cupcake buffet... you're swallowing as fast as you can. Take the time to do a little research and then come back and talk to me. Your circle of liberal friends at DUh is not the average American. Has the race tightened? Of course it has. But then again, Bush's lead was never what some reported it was. when they were saying 12 percent, I was saying 8 to 9. Now many polls are showing 3-5. Well surprise surprise. When the 12 percent was quoted it was post convention. I said closer to 8 to 9. Convention bounces dissipate at a rate of roughly 2 percent a week until it stabilizes... when it stabilizes you understand the true bump. Most polls out this week show an oversample of democrats, and yet Bush is tied or up 3 to 5.

So please, go back to DUh and try to come up with some other strategy to depress the Republican vote... your shit won't fly here as long as I'm around to counter your bullshit bumper sticker and circle of friends poll. There is a reason many republicans won't put bumper stickers on their car... they tend to get vandalized! How many republican headquarters have been shot at, vandalized, ransacked and looted?



And now I'm a DU supporter eh?
Your lines of bullshit get longer and longer.
Link Posted: 10/7/2004 5:24:19 AM EST
Polls are nothing but "feel good". The only thing that matters is voting. Don't get complacent or despondent. Make sure you vote.
Link Posted: 10/7/2004 5:25:11 AM EST

Originally Posted By Carbine_Man:
If you're really following the news and you don't see that W's numbers are dropping, then you've got your head in the sand.



No, I am following the news well enough to know that the only poll in which the president's numbers dropped precipitously was the Newsweek one with suspect criteria.
Link Posted: 10/7/2004 5:25:59 AM EST

Originally Posted By -M60_Gunner-:

Originally Posted By Specop_007:

Originally Posted By -M60_Gunner-:

Originally Posted By Carbine_Man:
If you're really following the news and you don't see that W's numbers are dropping, then you've got your head in the sand.



+1

Wake up people....



Wow, then I guess Hiram and Rik have sand up past their ass crack.



+1....



You two should get a room. Then post pics.
Link Posted: 10/7/2004 5:26:38 AM EST
[Last Edit: 10/7/2004 5:34:25 AM EST by NewbHunter]
If we want to use the logic of bumper stickers and lawn signs to conduct an accurate poll, well then I got news for you. I live near Madison, WI. The socialist capital of the midwest:



With that in mind, I've noticed at LEAST as many Bush signs in Madison as Kerry signs if not more. So by that logic, Bush should win by a unanimous landslide, despite what the polls show...
Link Posted: 10/7/2004 5:27:46 AM EST

Originally Posted By Specop_007:
And now I'm a DU supporter eh?



There's always the possibility that you're simply ignorant.
Link Posted: 10/7/2004 5:28:00 AM EST

Originally Posted By Specop_007:

Originally Posted By HiramRanger:
You see Bush's numbers falling in large part because the polling demographics were skewed to show a huge Bush lead - which if you look back I said was inflated - and the demographic model has since been changed to bias for Kerry... low and behold... the comeback kid is surging. Despite these efforts by the left, Bush still maintains a lead in most polls.

Hey spec_ed, ever think the reason they are doing that is to induce the exact reaction you are displaying? The sky is falling the sky is falling! And because you are clearly clueless beyond belief, I'm not sitting here thinking of cute things to say. I am a paid political operative. I work elections, I conduct fundraising operations, I develop ad campaigns, I organize voter registration drives and get-out-the-vote initiatives. I am a state poll inspector to combat election fraud. So tell me spec_ed... what are YOU doing other than stirring shit as a DUh plant?

The point you seem to be missing is you are being fed a steady diet of propoganda... and like Roseanne at an all you can eat cupcake buffet... you're swallowing as fast as you can. Take the time to do a little research and then come back and talk to me. Your circle of liberal friends at DUh is not the average American. Has the race tightened? Of course it has. But then again, Bush's lead was never what some reported it was. when they were saying 12 percent, I was saying 8 to 9. Now many polls are showing 3-5. Well surprise surprise. When the 12 percent was quoted it was post convention. I said closer to 8 to 9. Convention bounces dissipate at a rate of roughly 2 percent a week until it stabilizes... when it stabilizes you understand the true bump. Most polls out this week show an oversample of democrats, and yet Bush is tied or up 3 to 5.

So please, go back to DUh and try to come up with some other strategy to depress the Republican vote... your shit won't fly here as long as I'm around to counter your bullshit bumper sticker and circle of friends poll. There is a reason many republicans won't put bumper stickers on their car... they tend to get vandalized! How many republican headquarters have been shot at, vandalized, ransacked and looted?



And now I'm a DU supporter eh?
Your lines of bullshit get longer and longer.



Such a witty comeback and still didn't answer the question. You have learned well from sKerry and Klinton, you are all "teh suck".
Link Posted: 10/7/2004 5:28:07 AM EST
Jeezum crow, folks. Enough with the "people I know bullshit."

Repeat after me:

THE PLURAL OF ANECDOTE IS NOT DATA!


Just for a second there, go back and look at what the pollsters were saying about the 1/2 time elections.

Most of them called a Democratic surge and the Dem's keeping control of the Senate. It didn't happen.

Most of them said the GOP would be routed.

It didn't happen.

The media is concerting an effort to make it look like Bush is losing steam. Maybe he even is. But the purpose of all the doom and gloom is singular: To make US stay home on November 2. Fuck that. Fuck them. You go out and vote, just like you need to no matter what you hear. If the Republican masses in the Fla panhandle hadn't been such pussies and just turned around and "went home" after the networks mistakenly called Florida, GWB would have kicked Al Gore's ass without needing to go through several levels of recounts.

Link Posted: 10/7/2004 5:28:34 AM EST
Link Posted: 10/7/2004 5:32:38 AM EST

Originally Posted By HiramRanger:


And now I'm a DU supporter eh?
Your lines of bullshit get longer and longer.



Walks like a duck, quacks like a duck, registers in August., admits his circle of friends are liberals, uses a name like spec_ops007 and likes to stir the pot with ignorant posts... yup, sounds like one to me.



And it's outta da ballpark folks. HR hits a hommah and 2 runs scored.
Link Posted: 10/7/2004 5:36:22 AM EST
I love how all the states Bush was ahead in by 3-10% last week (in polls done by respected polling groups like Rasmussen) are now showing Kerry ahead (but these polls were done by . . . . Survey USA?) - never heard of them.

Trust the polling from GOOD groups like Rasmussen, Gallup, etc. Others are suspect.

Plus the guy running this site is a liberal democrat - what does that tell you?

Bush will win - electoral vote count will be around 280-295. Not huge, but still comfortable.

Nothing to see here - move along.
Link Posted: 10/7/2004 5:38:37 AM EST

Originally Posted By Specop_007:

Originally Posted By HiramRanger:

Originally Posted By Specop_007:
So, because Bush isnt above the 300 mark means electoral-vote is lying?
Ever think maybe people dont want Bush in, and he's not doing to well with the public??



No, earlier this week/last week he went to including several polls from each state to smooth out the numbers and give a more reasonable look at how the race was shaking out. There was such an outcry from the left that the map got too red that he has been selectively using polls to make the map more blue... as evidenced by his new "final projection."

So ummmmmm why don't you go back to DUh specop_0000000000000



HAHA *snort* YOU MADE A FUNNAY WILBUR *snort*



Fact is, I can name more people voting for Skerry then Bush.



If you knew everyone in the country then I would be worried. As you don't know shit, I am not. Planerench out.
Link Posted: 10/7/2004 5:39:33 AM EST
[Last Edit: 10/7/2004 5:40:12 AM EST by Specop_007]

Originally Posted By HiramRanger:


And now I'm a DU supporter eh?
Your lines of bullshit get longer and longer.



Walks like a duck, quacks like a duck, registers in August., admits his circle of friends are liberals, uses a name like spec_ops007 and likes to stir the pot with ignorant posts... yup, sounds like one to me.



Tell ya what then.
1) I'll quit offering my PERSONAL fucking webserver for email accounts to people who wish to register to spam DU. The 10 or so previous people can keep them though.
2) I'll quit offering email accounts for anyone who needs one on my PERSONAL fucking webserver, because why should I lose the bandwidth?
2) I'll quit offering to host pics and files for Arfcommers on my PERSONAL fucking webserver because its sometimes hard to find a reliable host (Of which mine has not failed once for anyreason since its inception)
3) We'll find out how accurate the polls are soon enough.

After all, why the fuck should I help out since I am, as you say, a DU supporter here in disguise. Yep, you hit the nail on the head there High Speed.
Link Posted: 10/7/2004 5:41:04 AM EST
actually everyone keeps saying that this election will not be decided on election day. both sides already hae more lawyers than you can shake a subpoena at getting ready for the battle that will happen after.

the grey area is all the new voters who are being signed up, are they real? will they come out on election day? who will they vote for? then you have absentee ballots and provisional ballots that will no doubt be the subject of court challenges.

pollsters ask questions designed to elicit a speific response and even they will admit that they dont know what they likely voter picture will be this year.

while most of us considered clinton a disgrace to the presidency, we nevertheless recognized that he was the president of all of us in spite of his shortcomings. today you have a large part of the country that doesnt really believe gw is actually the president and it was somehow handed to him by a powerful elite. should this election remain as close as it appears and the courts are involved again it will further the deepening divide where 50% feels disenfranchised. we are approaching a very dangerous time in the us because of this.

my guess which is as good as any pollster is that it will be close and the supreme court will get involved i this one too with all the lawyers and interest groups being marshalled.....and a large part of americans will feel cheated one way or the other.
Link Posted: 10/7/2004 5:43:33 AM EST
[Last Edit: 10/7/2004 5:44:06 AM EST by NewbHunter]

Originally Posted By Specop_007:

Originally Posted By HiramRanger:


And now I'm a DU supporter eh?
Your lines of bullshit get longer and longer.



Walks like a duck, quacks like a duck, registers in August., admits his circle of friends are liberals, uses a name like spec_ops007 and likes to stir the pot with ignorant posts... yup, sounds like one to me.



Tell ya what then.
1) I'll quit offering my PERSONAL fucking webserver for email accounts to people who wish to register to spam DU. The 10 or so previous people can keep them though.
2) I'll quit offering email accounts for anyone who needs one on my PERSONAL fucking webserver, because why should I lose the bandwidth?
2) I'll quit offering to host pics and files for Arfcommers on my PERSONAL fucking webserver because its sometimes hard to find a reliable host (Of which mine has not failed once for anyreason since its inception)
3) We'll find out how accurate the polls are soon enough.

After all, why the fuck should I help out since I am, as you say, a DU supporter here in disguise. Yep, you hit the nail on the head there High Speed.



Waaaaahhhhhh!!!!

I don't want to let you guys play with me anymore because you're mean!

Come on buddy, if you're really not a DUh troll you need to have tougher skin than that to play in the GD forum.

Besides, why should we trust the oppinion of someone who thinks that counting bumper stickers is a valid indicator of who will win the presidency, especially when that person can't count?
Link Posted: 10/7/2004 5:45:47 AM EST
I was putting a good deal of faith into the Electoral-Vote map until the guy admitted, ADMITTED, mind you, that he had purposefully changed the way the map was displaying because of heat he took from the Left, ESPECIALLY when he had been trying to make the map more accurate based upon ACTUAL DATA.

When a person skews something because some pricks call him and bitch, the essence of his position on that something can no longer be trusted implicitly. As such, his map cannot be relied upon to display what is really going on.

As for the polls, it is no wonder that W's lead tightened after his abysmal performance last week. What is equally amazing (and heartening) is that, even after such a comparitavely "stellar" performance and the subsequent and almost continuous media orgasm, the BEST Kerry has been able to do is close up with W. The ONE poll that showed him ahead has been shown to have been complete crap.

After the paddling that Cheney gave pretty-boy the other night, and after the speaches that W is giving now, I suspect that we will see a slight rise of W in the polls. If he manages to get his sh!t together for this Friday, it will be even better.

Notice that all the hubub about the first debate was about how POORLY W did, not how GOOD sKerry did. Notice, also, that during the VP debate, it was sKerry's record that was put on trial, NOT W'S. As such, this race is truly W's to lose.

I'm not advocating a defensive posture to hold off sKerry until November. Far from it, but you must acknowledge that the ONLY bump sKerry has gotten in the polls has come from BUSH screwing up, not sKerry doing anything to mobilize support for HIM..

If Bush does well in these debates, and barring any surprises this month from the asshats on the Left, the election will be OVER, and W will be in the White House again.

Dear Lord, hear my prayer!
Link Posted: 10/7/2004 5:46:40 AM EST

Originally Posted By NewbHunter:
If we want to use the logic of bumper stickers and lawn signs to conduct an accurate poll, well then I got news for you. I live near Madison, WI. The socialist capital of the midwest:

img.photobucket.com/albums/v242/samjham/madison.jpg



Jesus! That's just plain sKerry!
Link Posted: 10/7/2004 5:47:59 AM EST
If you don;t like the projected map, click on .csv format in excel to right of map, and change values to what you like..
Link Posted: 10/7/2004 5:49:07 AM EST
[Last Edit: 10/7/2004 5:51:00 AM EST by renotse]

Originally Posted By HiramRanger:
Edited to add... the loon at electoral-vote.com has lost it... this is his latest final projection...

www.electoral-vote.com/fin/oct07p.png




Originally Posted By Specop_007:
So, because Bush isnt above the 300 mark means electoral-vote is lying?
Ever think maybe people dont want Bush in, and he's not doing to well with the public??



This is why I think HiramRanger called the electoral-vote.com guy a loon

The "loon's" title says : Projected Electoral College Votes: Kerry 538 Bush 0

But the map totals are : Kerry 181 Bush 357

I think electoral-vote.com can't handle the truth!


Link Posted: 10/7/2004 5:50:09 AM EST

Originally Posted By Dan12:
If you don;t like the projected map, click on .csv format in excel to right of map, and change values to what you like..



Well, you know the guy isn't doing something right when the final projected map looks like this

Link Posted: 10/7/2004 5:51:29 AM EST
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