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Posted: 7/19/2010 3:57:36 PM EDT
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Are you sure it's Egyptian? I had some Turkish 9mm that was corrosive with Arabic head stampings. It was marked SMG only by the importer but I shot it through my Glocks anyway FWIW. If it's corrosive just remember to clean ASAP and soak with Windex.
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Posted: 7/19/2010 3:58:40 PM EDT
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Why risk it? Just sell it on your local classifieds.
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Posted: 7/19/2010 4:01:45 PM EDT
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I've shot vintage Egyptian .303 in an Enfield.
Nice hot combat ammo. |
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Posted: 7/19/2010 4:04:44 PM EDT
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Are you sure it's Egyptian? I had some Turkish 9mm that was corrosive with Arabic head stampings. It was marked SMG only by the importer but I shot it through my Glocks anyway FWIW. If it's corrosive just remember to clean ASAP and soak with Windex. yeah almost positive its Egyptian, the head stamp looks the exact same as these http://www.thedealershowroom.com/i/ammo/9mm_egyptian.jpg |
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Posted: 7/19/2010 4:10:35 PM EDT
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Why risk it? Just sell it on your local classifieds. I dont mind cleaning up after corrosive ammo, i just want to make sure that other people have used it in handguns and not had any problems with them being loaded too hot. Wouldn't want my XD to go all glock on me 
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Posted: 7/19/2010 4:14:55 PM EDT
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Quoted: Quoted: Are you sure it's Egyptian? I had some Turkish 9mm that was corrosive with Arabic head stampings. It was marked SMG only by the importer but I shot it through my Glocks anyway FWIW. If it's corrosive just remember to clean ASAP and soak with Windex. yeah almost positive its Egyptian, the head stamp looks the exact same as these http://www.thedealershowroom.com/i/ammo/9mm_egyptian.jpg Might be loaded hot for subguns. Just sayin'. |
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Posted: 7/19/2010 4:17:26 PM EDT
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Had a load of that in the 80's/90's...
It's subgun ammo. Very hard primers. If you're in a double-action gun, expect to be re-pulling that trigger a lot. The primers are more designed for open-bolt guns than pistols. They're also hot, if I remember right. |
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Posted: 7/19/2010 4:18:03 PM EDT
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Why risk it? Just sell it on your local classifieds. Wouldn't want my XD to go all glock on me you mean run reliably? 
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Posted: 7/19/2010 4:18:16 PM EDT
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All the Egyptian 9mm I've shot has been fairly hot, and corrosive. I've also had quite a few split cases after firing. Is yours in 36 round boxes, or loose? If it were my XD or KT, I wouldn't use it. Current manufacture, NC 9mm is not very expensive these days, but they're your guns.
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Posted: 7/19/2010 4:33:05 PM EDT
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If it is the same Eqyptian 9mm I used to shoot back in the day, it should be just fine. It will have a hard primer, so some guns may not reliablly set it off. In my experience, it is not totally reliable in any gun, but should run about 99% in anything that whacks the primer hard.
It is corrosive, but no problem, just clean with hot soapy water. No need for Windex, as Windex only works because it contains water. It was originally loaded for the Port Said subgun, which was a licensed copy of the Swedish K. I don't know about the pressure, but the velocity was boringly average when I chronographed it. Don't expect great accuracy. |
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Posted: 7/19/2010 4:36:26 PM EDT
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DO NOT USE WINDEX
Small Arms Review, a HIGHLY reputable magazine did a test that concluded that ONLY HOT WATER will scrub it out. I use a cleaning rod+hunk of paper toweling+ajax dish soap+HOT water for cleaning my Mosin. |
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Posted: 7/19/2010 4:47:37 PM EDT
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DO NOT USE WINDEX Small Arms Review, a HIGHLY reputable magazine did a test that concluded that ONLY HOT WATER will scrub it out. I use a cleaning rod+hunk of paper toweling+ajax dish soap+HOT water for cleaning my Mosin. There is nothing but conflicting information out there on the matter. Windex is what I have always used to clean up after corrosive ammo with and it has worked well. The only draw back is you have to watch the finish on wood stocks but on a poly pistol that is no worry. I disagree that ONLY HOT WATER works. I would however have no issue using hot water but that's rather hard to get at the range. |
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Posted: 7/19/2010 4:52:46 PM EDT
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Some of that egyptian stuff was loaded for slamfirere subguns and is real hot.
Make sure you use a top quality pistol that can handle +P+ (plus) pressures. Definitely too much for a Glock. Any Ruger should be fine with it. |
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Posted: 7/19/2010 4:55:31 PM EDT
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DO NOT USE WINDEX Small Arms Review, a HIGHLY reputable magazine did a test that concluded that ONLY HOT WATER will scrub it out. I use a cleaning rod+hunk of paper toweling+ajax dish soap+HOT water for cleaning my Mosin. There is nothing but conflicting information out there on the matter. Windex is what I have always used to clean up after corrosive ammo with and it has worked well. The only draw back is you have to watch the finish on wood stocks but on a poly pistol that is no worry. I disagree that ONLY HOT WATER works. I would however have no issue using hot water but that's rather hard to get at the range. They did the test. I saw the results. No rust developed on the steel rod that had been doused with hot water. |
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Posted: 7/19/2010 4:56:59 PM EDT
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Are you sure it's Egyptian? I had some Turkish 9mm that was corrosive with Arabic head stampings. It was marked SMG only by the importer but I shot it through my Glocks anyway FWIW. If it's corrosive just remember to clean ASAP and soak with Windex. That must of been some old ammo, the Turks stopped using Arabic script in the 30s I have some turk 8mm that was that old 
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Posted: 7/19/2010 4:57:39 PM EDT
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Some advocate the use of Windex in the belief that the ammonia will neutralize the corrosive salt residue left by the corrosive priming compound. There are 2 big problems with this theory. You can not neutralize a salt, you have to dissolve it and flush it away.
The other big problem is that Windex does not contain ammonia. Look at the MSDS, no ammonia listed. If you save you empty Windex bottle and fill it with plain tap water, it will be just as effective as the Windex that you have been using. Or, just wait until you get home. Unless you live many hours from the range, you will have plenty of time to clean it up properly after you get home. |
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Posted: 7/19/2010 6:22:56 PM EDT
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Some of that egyptian stuff was loaded for slamfirere subguns and is real hot. Make sure you use a top quality pistol that can handle +P+ (plus) pressures. Definitely too much for a Glock. Any Ruger should be fine with it. 
9mm Glocks will handle +P+ just fine. |
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Posted: 7/19/2010 6:24:49 PM EDT
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DO NOT USE WINDEX Small Arms Review, a HIGHLY reputable magazine did a test that concluded that ONLY HOT WATER will scrub it out. I use a cleaning rod+hunk of paper toweling+ajax dish soap+HOT water for cleaning my Mosin. There is nothing but conflicting information out there on the matter. Windex is what I have always used to clean up after corrosive ammo with and it has worked well. The only draw back is you have to watch the finish on wood stocks but on a poly pistol that is no worry. I disagree that ONLY HOT WATER works. I would however have no issue using hot water but that's rather hard to get at the range. They did the test. I saw the results. No rust developed on the steel rod that had been doused with hot water. I do not doubt or claim that hot water does not work. But Windex does as well in all my experience. As I said it's easier to get Windex to the range than it is hot water. I like to clean my guns ASAP after shooting corrosive ammo. |
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Posted: 7/19/2010 6:25:01 PM EDT
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I'll put a few rounds through my xd and look for any signs of over pressure but i dont think I'm gonna run em through the kel tec...
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Posted: 7/19/2010 6:27:31 PM EDT
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Are you sure it's Egyptian? I had some Turkish 9mm that was corrosive with Arabic head stampings. It was marked SMG only by the importer but I shot it through my Glocks anyway FWIW. If it's corrosive just remember to clean ASAP and soak with Windex. That must of been some old ammo, the Turks stopped using Arabic script in the 30s I have some turk 8mm that was that old Hmmmm it was sold as Turkish and shipped from Turkey per the import labels but I'm positive the script was Arabic. Perhaps the Turks got it from a neighbor or it really was some old stuff. 9mm has been around since 1902 after all. Any idea when the Turks adopted the 9mm round? |
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Posted: 7/19/2010 6:32:24 PM EDT
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I pulled the bullets from my Egyptian 9mm many years ago, dumped the powder in the flower beds and used pliers to crimp the cases shut.
At the time my only 9mm was a Star B and it was a frustrating experience due to the hard primers. |
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Posted: 7/19/2010 6:32:45 PM EDT
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Some advocate the use of Windex in the belief that the ammonia will neutralize the corrosive salt residue left by the corrosive priming compound. There are 2 big problems with this theory. You can not neutralize a salt, you have to dissolve it and flush it away. The other big problem is that Windex does not contain ammonia. Look at the MSDS, no ammonia listed. If you save you empty Windex bottle and fill it with plain tap water, it will be just as effective as the Windex that you have been using. Or, just wait until you get home. Unless you live many hours from the range, you will have plenty of time to clean it up properly after you get home. Windex is mostly water, and it dries fast. Hot water also dries fast. The trick is not to leave the weapon soggy after the rinse. The active ingredient is WATER. That's what dissolves the salt. The problem is what the water does to the steel itself, and there are many effective answers. a 1/10 ballistol/water mix doesn't dry any faster than straight water, but it leaves oil behind in it's wake. I use that. I saw British military surplus tin funnels with long spouts once, they were made specifically to fit in the breech end of the Enfield rifle so that boiling water could be poured through. |
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Posted: 7/19/2010 8:45:13 PM EDT
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Why risk it? Just sell it on your local classifieds. I dont mind cleaning up after corrosive ammo, i just want to make sure that other people have used it in handguns and not had any problems with them being loaded too hot. Wouldn't want my XD to go all glock on me I've shot the stuff that samco has been bringing in. It is not any hotter then any other 9mm I've shot. The old stuff that used to get imported was SMG ammo. It was a good bit hotter then your run of the mill 9mm. |
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Posted: 7/19/2010 8:46:40 PM EDT
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It'd probably be good to go in a Glock or anything rated to handle 9mm NATO/9mm +P+. I can't say the same necessarily for the two weapons you mentioned, you might want to contact the manufacturer.
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Posted: 7/19/2010 11:25:39 PM EDT
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I bought 2 5600 rd sealed cans in wood crates about 15 yrs ago. Just finishing the first one. What I got is in 36 rd boxes. I have shot it in my MAC 10, Sten & MP 40 w/o a problem. I also shoot it in my Browning Hi-Power, again w/o a problem, but would never use it in my P.38.
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Posted: 7/19/2010 11:30:19 PM EDT
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DO NOT USE WINDEX Small Arms Review, a HIGHLY reputable magazine did a test that concluded that ONLY HOT WATER will scrub it out. I use a cleaning rod+hunk of paper toweling+ajax dish soap+HOT water for cleaning my Mosin. There is nothing but conflicting information out there on the matter. Windex is what I have always used to clean up after corrosive ammo with and it has worked well. The only draw back is you have to watch the finish on wood stocks but on a poly pistol that is no worry. I disagree that ONLY HOT WATER works. I would however have no issue using hot water but that's rather hard to get at the range. Windex will do nothing at the range either.
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Posted: 7/19/2010 11:35:22 PM EDT
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Would you use ammo made in a country where you wouldn't even drink the water?
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Posted: 7/19/2010 11:40:40 PM EDT
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Some advocate the use of Windex in the belief that the ammonia will neutralize the corrosive salt residue left by the corrosive priming compound. There are 2 big problems with this theory. You can not neutralize a salt, you have to dissolve it and flush it away. The other big problem is that Windex does not contain ammonia. Look at the MSDS, no ammonia listed. If you save you empty Windex bottle and fill it with plain tap water, it will be just as effective as the Windex that you have been using. Or, just wait until you get home. Unless you live many hours from the range, you will have plenty of time to clean it up properly after you get home. Many years ago Windex did contain ammonia (I think it was even sold for a while both with and without). Even so, ammonia does nothing for salts. It did however have an effect on copper. The only real argument I have heard that favors Windex over water is that the ammonia will cut through the copper on top of the salts and then the water can get to them. I douche the barrel and receiver down with WD40 at the range. This will protect from damage until I get home to do a proper hot water clean. Corrosiveness of this ammo would be on the bottom of my list of things to worry about. Subgun ammo has traditionally been thought of as too hot for most handguns. This doesn't mean that it can't be shot safely in a handgun, just that you may be pushing the pressure envelope on some guns. |
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