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Posted: 1/28/2011 6:55:12 PM EDT
Have any Arfcommers been there? It's supposed to be twice as bad as Detroit
Link Posted: 1/28/2011 6:57:33 PM EDT
[Last Edit: 1/28/2011 6:58:02 PM EDT by randomhero97]
Originally Posted By steinlok87:
Have any Arfcommers been there? It's supposed to be twice as bad as Detroit


East St. Louis is in my realm. East St. Louis doesn't quite resemble Detroit but Washington Park could be mini Detroit.

Link Posted: 1/28/2011 6:57:59 PM EDT
It's pretty bad, look what they painted on my car!
Link Posted: 1/28/2011 6:59:09 PM EDT
all the time
Link Posted: 1/28/2011 6:59:23 PM EDT


Friend of mine from college grew up there. He's whiter than I am.

It was not an idyllic childhood.


Link Posted: 1/28/2011 7:00:44 PM EDT
Link Posted: 1/28/2011 7:28:42 PM EDT
Detroit like, no. However, if your white, your going to get stopped by either ESLPD or ISP and asked what your doing.
Link Posted: 1/28/2011 7:34:41 PM EDT
I drove through there three times a week for 15 months on my way to work. Stay on IL15/Missouri Ave, that's the main road through town, and you'll be fine. Once you stray from there, it's anybody's guess. I never felt unsafe or threatened, and I'd go through at 0530 and 1730, but neither time is prime feeding time for the locals. Daylight hours are fine, the real zombies are holed up asleep then.
Link Posted: 1/28/2011 7:35:00 PM EDT
Never been there. And I have no plans to change that.



Link Posted: 1/28/2011 7:38:11 PM EDT
'bout once every other week...

Quite possibly the most depressing thing I have ever seen is Stop signs bolted to non-working traffic light poles.
Link Posted: 1/28/2011 7:42:54 PM EDT
Originally Posted By P08:
It's pretty bad, look what they painted on my car!
http://atomicgator.files.wordpress.com/2010/06/vq6xxw.jpg


Well done sir.
Link Posted: 1/28/2011 7:55:48 PM EDT
Thanks very much to my brother in law's useless TomTom, I got turned around in East St. Louis last July. I believe we got off at 4th Street and turned around, as I remember we had to wait for the MetroLink train to pass just before we got back on the expressway.

Link Posted: 1/28/2011 7:56:21 PM EDT
Please tour the place and let us know.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/East_St._Louis,_Illinois
Link Posted: 1/28/2011 7:59:48 PM EDT

Originally Posted By Deej86:
Thanks very much to my brother in law's useless TomTom, I got turned around in East St. Louis last July. I believe we got off at 4th Street and turned around, as I remember we had to wait for the MetroLink train to pass just before we got back on the expressway.


Deej are you from Danville?
Link Posted: 1/28/2011 8:02:10 PM EDT
it is a fucked up shit hole

Link Posted: 1/28/2011 8:02:55 PM EDT
I gotta call bullshit on worse than Detroit.
Link Posted: 1/28/2011 8:05:00 PM EDT

Originally Posted By Deej86:
Thanks very much to my brother in law's useless TomTom, I got turned around in East St. Louis last July. I believe we got off at 4th Street and turned around, as I remember we had to wait for the MetroLink train to pass just before we got back on the expressway.


Linda and I were passing through there one time, and due to construction I messed up and got lost. We ended up under the highway, near the river, and the road just ended where it was unused and overgrown with weeds. I found my way back to a highway entrance, but we were getting the stink-eye from some of the locals.
Like this ––––––––>
Link Posted: 1/28/2011 8:05:18 PM EDT

Originally Posted By Venkman:
I gotta call bullshit on worse than Detroit.

The population of East St. Louis would say you're wrong.
Link Posted: 1/28/2011 8:06:59 PM EDT
[Last Edit: 1/28/2011 8:07:15 PM EDT by Deej86]
Originally Posted By Firebird69:

Originally Posted By Deej86:
Thanks very much to my brother in law's useless TomTom, I got turned around in East St. Louis last July. I believe we got off at 4th Street and turned around, as I remember we had to wait for the MetroLink train to pass just before we got back on the expressway.


Deej are you from Danville?


LOL no...I've lived all my 25 years in the Chicago area. My sister used to have an internship at Eastern and stayed in Urbana.
Link Posted: 1/28/2011 8:08:49 PM EDT
I did some work in a tank farm there once. First day on the job Police Officer came in and gave the whole crew a stern talking to, and then almost had a fit when we told him what motel we were staying at. NO stopping on the way through the hood, roll through stop signs. If we get stopped at a light and someone starts to approach the vehicle turn or as a last ditch blow the light. DO NOT open the motel door after dark or for anyone we didn't know. If we wake up at night and somebody is breaking in to our vehicles, just let it go, call the cops they would get around to do a report.

Keep in mind this was the HOOD, and we were all driving 30k+ trucks. The company truck was 50k+ with a trailer full of welders, generators, tools, steel.... all kinds of shit. And we were all honkey ass white boys from back woods Ohio and Kentucky, we were prime pickings. I'm not going to say the whole area was like that but the part we were in sure as shit was. (Refineries and tank farms have the tendency to be surrounded by 'DAHOOD') That week was the only time in my life I've watched TV, ate, slept, showered, shit and drove with a shotgun full of 00buck within arms reach. The next 3 weeks we all stayed another half hour away from the tank farm and slept much better for it. I still drove through the hood with the shotgun behind the passenger seat. What was funny was that in the daytime it didn't seem that bad but sweet baby jebus in the cradle! After dark the whole atmosphere of the place changed.

That was back in 07' haven't been back. Everyone keeps bringing up Detroit but I've never minded it up there, the population is so spread out it has an empty feeling. In ESL I felt like there was no where to fall back to, like I was surrounded. That is just my take on it though, Like I said I'm a honkey ass white boy from back woods Ohio. Some of you city folk might think different.
Link Posted: 1/28/2011 8:21:05 PM EDT
You could film a post apocalyptic movie in that town during the day. At night you could do 28 Days without paying extras!
Link Posted: 1/28/2011 8:28:32 PM EDT
E. St. Louis was never as bad as Brooklyn, IL and the other smaller outlying towns. At least, it was that way when I lived in the general area, which has thankfully been more than 10 years ago.
Link Posted: 1/28/2011 8:36:08 PM EDT
[Last Edit: 1/28/2011 8:37:02 PM EDT by tommyrich]
Been there many times. Since it's IL, I have to go without protection

Never been to Detroit(only the airport), but EStL it's a pretty shitty place. Wasn't always like that. Back in the 40-50's many StL area people went there to do their shopping.

True story: friend of mine was a leo for EStL PD back in the late 80's. He had just finished his shift and was sitting at a stop light just yards from the PD when a car pulled up next to him, the female passenger stuck a shotgun out her window and blew his drivers side window out. He saw it just in time to lean over and only ended up with a few minor cuts from the glass. He quit a short time after that.
Link Posted: 1/28/2011 8:39:31 PM EDT
[Last Edit: 1/28/2011 8:40:37 PM EDT by huck]
I offered to kick a locals ass at a gas station there about 15 years ago, he declined. I didn't stick around for his homies to show up.
ETA:, shithole, yes Detroit or Memphrica, no.
Link Posted: 1/28/2011 8:48:21 PM EDT
[Last Edit: 1/28/2011 8:53:13 PM EDT by AeroE]
Link Posted: 1/28/2011 8:50:07 PM EDT

Originally Posted By AeroE:
East St. Louis is an outstanding example of a city that is improving itself despite the economy.

Lots of thriving business, prosperous and happy residents, and pleasant police officers.

Easy access off I-64, and a river frontage begging more harbor activity.


would you live there?
Link Posted: 1/28/2011 8:57:05 PM EDT
Link Posted: 1/28/2011 9:10:22 PM EDT
[Last Edit: 1/28/2011 9:11:00 PM EDT by goodrat]
Originally Posted By AeroE:
Originally Posted By armoredsaint:

Originally Posted By AeroE:
East St. Louis is an outstanding example of a city that is improving itself despite the economy.

Lots of thriving business, prosperous and happy residents, and pleasant police officers.

Easy access off I-64, and a river frontage begging more harbor activity.


would you live there?


I go through there with a firearm handy and stay the hell on the interstate. I've been down the main drag one time when I missed a turn on the way back from Belleville - stopped and retreived my revolver from the back of my pickup.

WWII movies of Dresden after an Allied bombing raid are a good way to see how the place looks without going there.

Do not go under the interstate at the North end of town, sure as hell not at night, it's a spooky, spooky dead end.





HAHAHAHAHAHA!!!!
Link Posted: 1/28/2011 9:14:48 PM EDT
I went to St. Louis for a conference once. One of our co-workers got separated from the group at the casino. Apparently at some point he was arrested (we did not know this for sure) in East St. Louis. The next morning we sought a police officer for help locating him. The conversation went something like this.

Me: Excuse me officer, last night one our friends disappeared, he might have been arrested for public intoxication.
Police Officer: Where did you last see him?
Me: We were at such in such casino.
Police Officer: In East St. Louis!? I'm sorry I can't help you. <the Police Officer gave me a look of terror and sorrow>

I was annoyed with my friend but after speaking with the Police Officer I honestly thought my trip was going to end with identifying a body.

A few hours later we got a phone call. My friend had sobered up and had been released. He told us where he was and we went to pick him up. I cannot begin to describe the streets we drove down. The only store fronts that were not boarded up were pawnshops, liquor stores and check cashing places. And this is no exaggeration but we saw a bank that looked like a tank had driven through one side and had come out the other.
Link Posted: 1/28/2011 9:21:07 PM EDT
Drove through it more than a few times when I lived in Missouri.

Never left the interstate. Saw everything I needed to see from there.
Link Posted: 1/28/2011 9:37:48 PM EDT
Been there more than I have ever wanted to be and still have to go in there occasionally.
It is a hell hole of the first degree.
Concealed weapons are illegal in Illinois that doesn't mean heat ain't bein' packed.
Link Posted: 1/28/2011 9:39:33 PM EDT
I am exactly 3 min, and less than 1 mile from there right now....
Link Posted: 1/28/2011 9:45:07 PM EDT
Originally Posted By LessThanZero:
Detroit like, no. However, if your white, your going to get stopped by either ESLPD or ISP and asked what your doing.


It'll be either to disrupt your crack-seeking adventure, or for your own safety and coincidentally to limit overtime for the Robbery and Homicide Details.
Link Posted: 1/28/2011 9:45:33 PM EDT
Originally Posted By upon1:
I am exactly 3 min, and less than 1 mile from there right now....


Fuck THAT!!
Link Posted: 1/28/2011 9:49:11 PM EDT
Originally Posted By armoredsaint:

Originally Posted By AeroE:
East St. Louis is an outstanding example of a city that is improving itself despite the economy.

Lots of thriving business, prosperous and happy residents, and pleasant police officers.

Easy access off I-64, and a river frontage begging more harbor activity.


would you live there?


Probably not, but he'd be glad to travel there to tell another joke.
Link Posted: 1/29/2011 4:52:31 AM EDT
Originally Posted By Fantomas:
it is a fucked up shit hole






........this would pretty much sum it up.......

Link Posted: 1/29/2011 4:56:42 AM EDT
Been there numerous times, have no reason to go back. It is bad. Period.
Link Posted: 1/29/2011 5:08:23 AM EDT
Escape From New York was supposedly filmed in E. St. Louis.
Link Posted: 1/29/2011 5:12:46 AM EDT


Friend of mine is a cable repairman for AT&T. He's constantly replacing stolen telephone cable in East St.Louis.

He said they spent all day putting up and splicing in a new cable.
Next day....it was stolen again.

google image search . . . . .







Link Posted: 1/29/2011 5:16:36 AM EDT

Originally Posted By steinlok87:
Have any Arfcommers been there? It's supposed to be twice as bad as Detroit

Was there back in the early '70s.
My parents got met and were married in St. Louis, and they always spoke well of the city (I am from just outside of Washington D.C.––Bethesda, MD; so no stranger to big city).
A friend and I went around the country on motorcycles when we got out HS. We came into East St. Louis, and i was like .
My parents must be insane? Or this place has gone down hill like a MO FO.

Link Posted: 1/29/2011 5:27:25 AM EDT
I am a trucker, in and out of the area. I have had to scrape them off of the the truck before. Sorry no pics, to busy grabbing gears.
Link Posted: 1/29/2011 5:30:07 AM EDT
Mmmmmmm Diamond Cabaret!
Link Posted: 1/29/2011 5:57:35 AM EDT
"some of its fine businesses that promote the arts, especially dancing."

spent a lot of dollars there in the 80's
Link Posted: 1/29/2011 6:01:15 AM EDT

Originally Posted By exeter5:
You could film a post apocalyptic movie in that town during the day. At night you could do 28 Days without paying extras!

They did - that's where John Carpenter shot Escape from New York.
Link Posted: 1/29/2011 6:01:15 AM EDT
Originally Posted By Dr_Dickie:

Originally Posted By steinlok87:
Have any Arfcommers been there? It's supposed to be twice as bad as Detroit

Was there back in the early '70s.
My parents got met and were married in St. Louis, and they always spoke well of the city (I am from just outside of Washington D.C.––Bethesda, MD; so no stranger to big city).
A friend and I went around the country on motorcycles when we got out HS. We came into East St. Louis, and i was like .
My parents must be insane? Or this place has gone down hill like a MO FO.



My mother's family lived there in the 1920's to early 80's. They left after one of them was shot and killed on their back porch coming home from work. It used to be a pleasant place to live with world famous stockyards. You could walk around anywhere at anytime without having to worry about being murdered. Then liberal policies took hold, businesses moved out, and you have what is there today.
Link Posted: 1/29/2011 6:03:16 AM EDT
Originally Posted By steinlok87:
Have any Arfcommers been there? It's supposed to be twice as bad as Detroit


It's a pit but not twice as bad as Detroit IMHO.
Link Posted: 1/29/2011 6:03:53 AM EDT
What a shame....
Link Posted: 1/29/2011 6:11:52 AM EDT
Originally Posted By 99Tarbox:
Mmmmmmm Diamond Cabaret!

Amature, Roxys!
Link Posted: 1/29/2011 6:24:06 AM EDT
ESTL might not be as bad as Detroit. But they are training hard for a title bout.
Link Posted: 1/29/2011 7:02:07 AM EDT
A friend and I were heading for LA in 1972, and we made a wrong turn at night and ended up in East St. Louis. The streets seemed deserted, and we decided to get some gas as long as we were already off the Interstate. The gas station man asked us what we were doing there, and he told us we had best get out of the area now. The look on his face had us convinced. We paid for the gas, thanked him, and were on our way without any further sightseeing. In later years, I saw a part of Amarillo, Texas that looked even worse.

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Link Posted: 1/29/2011 7:15:27 AM EDT
[Last Edit: 1/29/2011 7:16:07 AM EDT by RolandBozz]
I spent about 10 years of my life growing up in St. Clair County. Been there? Lol, shit I had a great experience there on my 17th birthday. Memories.

Being there during the day wasn't too bad, but you just had to make sure you got out before the sun went down. It's the surrounding ghetto's that are worse. Brooklyn, Washington Park, Cahokia, Sauget and some of EStL flowed over into the west side of Belleville.

The shitty thing is you have to go through EStL to get to the river boats and the strip clubs.
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