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Posted: 7/2/2015 10:40:49 PM EDT
You've been granted the power to outfit each member of our military with any 1 piece of modern man-portable equipment on December 6, 1941, under the following parameters:

Whatever our military currently has in inventory for support of that piece of equipment is available as well (i.e. batteries, ammunition, etc.)
If damaged, destroyed, or captured by the enemy, no replacements are available
The item you choose can be given to every member, or select members, of the military, but no substitutions can be made.

What do you choose, and why?

Yes, I'm sure this has been done before, but I can't be bothered to search.
Link Posted: 7/2/2015 10:46:41 PM EDT
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M4 with optics and NV

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Link Posted: 7/2/2015 10:46:54 PM EDT
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You've been granted the power to outfit each member of our military with any 1 piece of modern man-portable equipment on December 6, 1941, under the following parameters:

Whatever our military currently has in inventory for support of that piece of equipment is available as well (i.e. batteries, ammunition, etc.)
If damaged, destroyed, or captured by the enemy, no replacements are available
The item you choose can be given to every member, or select members, of the military, but no substitutions can be made.

What do you choose, and why?

Yes, I'm sure this has been done before, but I can't be bothered to search.
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How is this even a question?

Night vision or radios, if it includes inventory for support (aka repair depots).

Logistics wins wars.
Link Posted: 7/2/2015 10:52:29 PM EDT
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How is this even a question?

Night vision or radios, if it includes inventory for support (aka repair depots).

Logistics wins wars.
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i don't know much about how modern military radios work, but i'm assuming more is required than just the handsets/batteries, no?

Link Posted: 7/2/2015 10:53:44 PM EDT
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You've been granted the power to outfit each member of our military with any 1 piece of modern man-portable equipment on December 6, 1941, under the following parameters:

Whatever our military currently has in inventory for support of that piece of equipment is available as well (i.e. batteries, ammunition, etc.)
If damaged, destroyed, or captured by the enemy, no replacements are available
The item you choose can be given to every member, or select members, of the military, but no substitutions can be made.

What do you choose, and why?

Yes, I'm sure this has been done before, but I can't be bothered to search.
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Backpack nukes for everyone.
Link Posted: 7/2/2015 10:54:48 PM EDT
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Calm down Sheldon


Link Posted: 7/2/2015 10:55:26 PM EDT
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i don't know much about how modern military radios work, but i'm assuming more is required than just the handsets/batteries, no?

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How is this even a question?

Night vision or radios, if it includes inventory for support (aka repair depots).

Logistics wins wars.


i don't know much about how modern military radios work, but i'm assuming more is required than just the handsets/batteries, no?



Not a clue. I mean, having a manual would help with figuring them out.
But that's all part of the logistics trail I'm allowed.
Link Posted: 7/2/2015 10:56:16 PM EDT
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M4 with optics and NV

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No not really /thread since that is 3 pieces of equipment and the OP said pick 1
Link Posted: 7/2/2015 10:57:31 PM EDT
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A whole truckload of ATGMs
Link Posted: 7/2/2015 10:58:15 PM EDT
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Davey Crockett

Link Posted: 7/2/2015 10:58:17 PM EDT
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Laptop computers loaded with a C++ IDE and all required documentation files.
Link Posted: 7/2/2015 11:01:11 PM EDT
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The B1B. A bomber able to drop nearly as many bombs as a B52 but couldn't be shot down by the Nazis would have been a real game changer.

Specifications (B-52H)
Bombs: Approximately 70,000 lb (31,500 kg) mixed ordnance; bombs, mines, missiles, in various configurations

Specifications (B-1B)
Hardpoints: six external hardpoints for 50,000 pounds (23,000 kg) of ordnance (use for weapons restricted by arms treaties[103]) and three internal bomb bays for 75,000 pounds (34,000 kg) of ordnance.

Specifications (B-17G)
Short range missions (<400 mi): 8,000 lb (3,600 kg)
Long range missions (˜800 mi): 4,500 lb (2,000 kg)
Overload: 17,600 lb (7,800 kg)

You could do a lot more damage per aircraft with B1Bs instead of B17s.
Link Posted: 7/2/2015 11:01:23 PM EDT
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i don't know much about how modern military radios work, but i'm assuming more is required than just the handsets/batteries, no?

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How is this even a question?

Night vision or radios, if it includes inventory for support (aka repair depots).

Logistics wins wars.


i don't know much about how modern military radios work, but i'm assuming more is required than just the handsets/batteries, no?


The World War II radios were backpacks. There weren't that many of them and the guy who carried the radio couldn't carry a lot of other stuff. They used flares to signal attacks and enemy movements. They used runners, too, and hard wired phone lines.

Small radios that could communicate a couple of miles would changed things like tactical nukes.
Link Posted: 7/2/2015 11:01:56 PM EDT
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No not really /thread since that is 3 pieces of equipment and the OP said pick 1
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M4 with optics and NV

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No not really /thread since that is 3 pieces of equipment and the OP said pick 1


If the optic and NV were attached to the rifle it's all part of the same system, therefore comes as one piece, therefore it's one piece of equipment. BOOM
Link Posted: 7/2/2015 11:02:42 PM EDT
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Gen 3 night vision to every soldier and airman..........NV for all.
Link Posted: 7/2/2015 11:03:20 PM EDT
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The B1B. A bomber able to drop nearly as many bombs as a B52 but couldn't be shot down by the Nazis would have been a real game changer.

Specifications (B-52H)
Bombs: Approximately 70,000 lb (31,500 kg) mixed ordnance; bombs, mines, missiles, in various configurations

Specifications (B-1B)
Hardpoints: six external hardpoints for 50,000 pounds (23,000 kg) of ordnance (use for weapons restricted by arms treaties[103]) and three internal bomb bays for 75,000 pounds (34,000 kg) of ordnance.

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How exactly is a B1B man portable?  
Link Posted: 7/2/2015 11:04:14 PM EDT
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If the optic and NV were attached to the rifle it's all part of the same system, therefore comes as one piece, therefore it's one piece of equipment. BOOM
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M4 with optics and NV

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No not really /thread since that is 3 pieces of equipment and the OP said pick 1


If the optic and NV were attached to the rifle it's all part of the same system, therefore comes as one piece, therefore it's one piece of equipment. BOOM



Link Posted: 7/2/2015 11:04:29 PM EDT
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How exactly is a B1B man portable?  
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The B1B. A bomber able to drop nearly as many bombs as a B52 but couldn't be shot down by the Nazis would have been a real game changer.

Specifications (B-52H)
Bombs: Approximately 70,000 lb (31,500 kg) mixed ordnance; bombs, mines, missiles, in various configurations

Specifications (B-1B)
Hardpoints: six external hardpoints for 50,000 pounds (23,000 kg) of ordnance (use for weapons restricted by arms treaties[103]) and three internal bomb bays for 75,000 pounds (34,000 kg) of ordnance.



How exactly is a B1B man portable?  


I missed that part.

If we are going man portable some type of explosive munition since they are responsible for the most casualties even today.
Link Posted: 7/2/2015 11:04:42 PM EDT
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M4 with optics and NV

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No not really /thread since that is 3 pieces of equipment and the OP said pick 1


If the optic and NV were attached to the rifle it's all part of the same system, therefore comes as one piece, therefore it's one piece of equipment. BOOM


http://i.imgur.com/rK3TdJx.gif


Might as well add a M203 underneath that thing.
Link Posted: 7/2/2015 11:05:03 PM EDT
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Laptop computers loaded with a C++ IDE and all required documentation files.
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to provide to the enemy i'm assuming?
Link Posted: 7/2/2015 11:05:42 PM EDT
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I missed that part.
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The B1B. A bomber able to drop nearly as many bombs as a B52 but couldn't be shot down by the Nazis would have been a real game changer.

Specifications (B-52H)
Bombs: Approximately 70,000 lb (31,500 kg) mixed ordnance; bombs, mines, missiles, in various configurations

Specifications (B-1B)
Hardpoints: six external hardpoints for 50,000 pounds (23,000 kg) of ordnance (use for weapons restricted by arms treaties[103]) and three internal bomb bays for 75,000 pounds (34,000 kg) of ordnance.



How exactly is a B1B man portable?  


I missed that part.


I figured you were going to argue that it made the man portable so it was legit...
Link Posted: 7/2/2015 11:07:19 PM EDT
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to provide to the enemy i'm assuming?
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Laptop computers loaded with a C++ IDE and all required documentation files.


to provide to the enemy i'm assuming?


Good idea, you could make it so that when they type in the wrong password, the hard drive is wiped and Visual Basic is installed.
Link Posted: 7/2/2015 11:09:11 PM EDT
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The reflective belt, of course.  They win wars.

Link Posted: 7/2/2015 11:09:24 PM EDT
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Garmin GPS for everyone!

That should give the US 24 satellites, all the control equipment, and a significant advancement in rocketry/electronics, all of which would in the logistics train to keep them working. Pretty good ROI for just one future piece of handheld tech!
Link Posted: 7/2/2015 11:09:58 PM EDT
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Might as well add a M203 underneath that thing.
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M4 with optics and NV

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No not really /thread since that is 3 pieces of equipment and the OP said pick 1


If the optic and NV were attached to the rifle it's all part of the same system, therefore comes as one piece, therefore it's one piece of equipment. BOOM


http://i.imgur.com/rK3TdJx.gif


Might as well add a M203 underneath that thing.


Sure, and an IR laser & Tac light. But that might be getting a little ridiculous...just the tac light I mean
Link Posted: 7/2/2015 11:11:30 PM EDT
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Good idea, you could make it so that when they type in the wrong password, the hard drive is wiped and Visual Basic is installed.
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to provide to the enemy i'm assuming?


Good idea, you could make it so that when they type in the wrong password, the hard drive is wiped and Visual Basic is installed.





Nooooo
Link Posted: 7/2/2015 11:12:15 PM EDT
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I figured you were going to argue that it made the man portable so it was legit...
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The B1B. A bomber able to drop nearly as many bombs as a B52 but couldn't be shot down by the Nazis would have been a real game changer.

Specifications (B-52H)
Bombs: Approximately 70,000 lb (31,500 kg) mixed ordnance; bombs, mines, missiles, in various configurations

Specifications (B-1B)
Hardpoints: six external hardpoints for 50,000 pounds (23,000 kg) of ordnance (use for weapons restricted by arms treaties[103]) and three internal bomb bays for 75,000 pounds (34,000 kg) of ordnance.



How exactly is a B1B man portable?  


I missed that part.


I figured you were going to argue that it made the man portable so it was legit...


Well this guy is pulling a 767. I mean if a single man can pull it 100 feet it certainly counts as man portable.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=tls-Jli6eQE
Link Posted: 7/2/2015 11:22:09 PM EDT
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A tablet so everyone can view Powerpoints and complete the required SHARP training.
Link Posted: 7/2/2015 11:24:15 PM EDT
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I don't think anything is really going to bea the Davy Crocket, but just to be different I would say TOW
Link Posted: 7/2/2015 11:24:19 PM EDT
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You've been granted the power to outfit each member of our military with any 1 piece of modern man-portable equipment on December 6, 1941, under the following parameters:

Whatever our military currently has in inventory for support of that piece of equipment is available as well (i.e. batteries, ammunition, etc.)
If damaged, destroyed, or captured by the enemy, no replacements are available
The item you choose can be given to every member, or select members, of the military, but no substitutions can be made.

What do you choose, and why?

Yes, I'm sure this has been done before, but I can't be bothered to search.
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Does that mean we can give everyone laser designators and all the the artillery and bombs will magically become smart?
Link Posted: 7/2/2015 11:25:03 PM EDT
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Drones.
Link Posted: 7/2/2015 11:28:39 PM EDT
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Does that mean we can give everyone laser designators and all the the artillery and bombs will magically become smart?
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You've been granted the power to outfit each member of our military with any 1 piece of modern man-portable equipment on December 6, 1941, under the following parameters:

Whatever our military currently has in inventory for support of that piece of equipment is available as well (i.e. batteries, ammunition, etc.)
If damaged, destroyed, or captured by the enemy, no replacements are available
The item you choose can be given to every member, or select members, of the military, but no substitutions can be made.

What do you choose, and why?

Yes, I'm sure this has been done before, but I can't be bothered to search.


Does that mean we can give everyone laser designators and all the the artillery and bombs will magically become smart?


no
Link Posted: 7/2/2015 11:33:50 PM EDT
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Javelins

Link Posted: 7/3/2015 12:23:42 AM EDT
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A reliable radio.  Communication was shit in WW2 a reliable radio system would have changed the war dramatically.
Link Posted: 7/3/2015 12:59:34 AM EDT
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Garmin GPS for everyone!

That should give the US 24 satellites, all the control equipment, and a significant advancement in rocketry/electronics, all of which would in the logistics train to keep them working. Pretty good ROI for just one future piece of handheld tech!
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Hot damn son! That's just damned impressive.

So with GPS we get....
Very accurate atomic clocks and the associated nuclear technology that allowed the isotope production and refinement. Integrated circuit and semiconductor technology. Battery efficient miniaturized radio transceivers. Advanced materials science. And the list just goes on and on.
Link Posted: 7/3/2015 1:31:07 AM EDT
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Our current body armor.

Link Posted: 7/3/2015 9:29:28 AM EDT
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While I agree it's probably not the absolute best choice, I'm a little surprised no one has suggested MANPADs.  

I tend to think that 40-50 guys with Stingers (or whatever we use now) probably could have significantly affected the outcome of Pearl Harbor.  Without suffering such heavy losses there, I imagine the battle of the Pacific probably going very differently.  

In the European theater effectively denying huge swaths of airspace to the Germans certainly wouldn't hurt either.
Link Posted: 7/3/2015 9:46:29 AM EDT
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While I agree it's probably not the absolute best choice, I'm a little surprised no one has suggested MANPADs.  

I tend to think that 40-50 guys with Stingers (or whatever we use now) probably could have significantly affected the outcome of Pearl Harbor.  Without suffering such heavy losses there, I imagine the battle of the Pacific probably going very differently.  

In the European theater effectively denying huge swaths of airspace to the Germans certainly wouldn't hurt either.
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They would have made a difference at Pearl Harbor, especially during the second Japanese attack wave. Would having the Battleships from the beginning really be a good thing? It might have caused some screwed up plans involving the carriers in support of the big fleet engagement. As things turned the Navy was forced to center ops around the carriers. That worked out pretty well.

MANPADS would have been really useful against the Germans in Poland, France, and Russia up to late 1943. After that, zee Germans could really have used them to good effect. Typhoons and Thunderbolts would have suffered greatly.
Link Posted: 7/3/2015 9:52:46 AM EDT
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Draka tanks






Link Posted: 7/3/2015 10:09:12 AM EDT
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Winnah.
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Chieftains with big(ger) engines and a bow gunner? Not sure that counts as man-portable unless you're of the "with enough men, ANYTHING is man-portable" school.
Link Posted: 7/3/2015 10:31:17 AM EDT
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Body armor would save some lives but not radically change anything. Same with the M4. Three things that would are:
1. Night vision: Give one with lots of batteries to every man in uniform. This changes every element of tactics. Who cares about maintenance, you just grab a spare from someone else.
2. Stinger: Forget straffing and dive bombing, you'll lose every plane.
3. Javelin: Good luck attacking when all your tanks are destroyed in the first minutes of the battle. Good luck defending when your pull boxes are gone before they get off a shot.
Link Posted: 7/3/2015 10:31:58 AM EDT
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They would have made a difference at Pearl Harbor, especially during the second Japanese attack wave. Would having the Battleships from the beginning really be a good thing? It might have caused some screwed up plans involving the carriers in support of the big fleet engagement. As things turned the Navy was forced to center ops around the carriers. That worked out pretty well.

MANPADS would have been really useful against the Germans in Poland, France, and Russia up to late 1943. After that, zee Germans could really have used them to good effect. Typhoons and Thunderbolts would have suffered greatly.
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While I agree it's probably not the absolute best choice, I'm a little surprised no one has suggested MANPADs.  

I tend to think that 40-50 guys with Stingers (or whatever we use now) probably could have significantly affected the outcome of Pearl Harbor.  Without suffering such heavy losses there, I imagine the battle of the Pacific probably going very differently.  

In the European theater effectively denying huge swaths of airspace to the Germans certainly wouldn't hurt either.



They would have made a difference at Pearl Harbor, especially during the second Japanese attack wave. Would having the Battleships from the beginning really be a good thing? It might have caused some screwed up plans involving the carriers in support of the big fleet engagement. As things turned the Navy was forced to center ops around the carriers. That worked out pretty well.

MANPADS would have been really useful against the Germans in Poland, France, and Russia up to late 1943. After that, zee Germans could really have used them to good effect. Typhoons and Thunderbolts would have suffered greatly.


We're not giving them to the Germans though.
Link Posted: 7/3/2015 10:34:19 AM EDT
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This.
Link Posted: 7/3/2015 10:36:30 AM EDT
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Smart phones, assuming there is a worldwide or large regional connection.

Imagine the ability to transmit photos/text instantly in that time period.
Link Posted: 7/3/2015 10:39:38 AM EDT
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I'll also chose night vision equipment.

The VHF portable and mobile radios that the Allies used were superior to those of the Axis powers thanks in large part to the Quartz crystal. It offered inexpensive frequency stability that conventional tuned frequency determining circuits did not have, unless bulky, complicated and expensive measures were taken. We had the supply of piezoelectric quartz pretty much locked up and though the Nazis tried, they were not able to effectively hamper the supply chain.

There was a problem though, the same one that plagued use of the Nazi's Enigma machine: operator error. The radios were often re-crystalled for specific missions and the wrong crystals were installed, putting the radios on the wrong frequency.

After the war, much of the radio gear was placed on the surplus market and we ham radio operators took full advantage of it. It put us on the air for (relatively) very little money.


Interesting reading if you're interested in communications during the WWII years.

Link Posted: 7/3/2015 10:46:01 AM EDT
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Whats the max depth for modern fish finder sonars?

Send back a few pallets of them, equip sub hunting destroyers with one each, and go to town on enemy subs.

We actually did a pretty decent job on the U-boats with what we had then, but if modern consumer grade sonars could go the max depth of subs, The U boat war would have been over in short order.
The pacific side would have been a bit easier too.

Like the OP said though, no replacements. We simply didn't have the technology to make the technology to make the technology back then. Probably several generations of this. You break it, it's gone forever.
Link Posted: 7/3/2015 10:48:29 AM EDT
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NV
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Even if you also got the network of cell towers it would be pretty easy for the enemy to destroy them (you are operating on their turf).

Without cell towers phones are useless. This is precisely why the military still use 2-way radios.
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