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Posted: 3/18/2013 5:10:36 PM EDT
[Last Edit: 3/18/2013 7:44:27 PM EDT by xxprince]
This dude was drunk and deserved to be arrested, but I've always heard your don't strike above the shoulders with a baton, it makes a distinctive sound when he gets smacked. This happened Saturday at the parade, about 200 yards from where my tent was setup. I like how the off duty officer tries to take the phone at the end of the video. The baton strike put 8 staples in the guys head..a whole bunch of in this video
Sorry cant embed from here
http://m.youtube.com/watch?v=ivV0jv-jRaA

News article


JACKSON, Miss. -
A Jackson police official said an officer caught on camera hitting a man with a baton during an arrest at the Mal's St. Paddy's Parade acted appropriately given the "volatile situation."

While the man who was hit admitted he used a racial slur, Zach Magee, 22, said police went too far.

Magee said he had gotten into a fight with strangers. Police stepped in moments later, and Magee was struck.

The incident was caught on cellphone video that showed a drunken Magee mouthing off to police at the St. Patrick's Day parade in Jackson.

Magee's father tried to talk him down, but he was pushed away moments before the baton can be seen being used on the video.

"They got me from behind in the back of the head with the night stick -- with his metal stick and split my head open about 5 inches," Magee said.

Magee said police first approached while he was fighting with two other men. He said a Jackson police officer slapped cigarettes out of his hand. He admitted what he said to police landed him on the ground.

"'F you, n-----.' I guess that's what I said," Magee said. "But they reacted to a racial slur inappropriately."

Jackson Police Assistant Chief Lee Vance said Magee was charged with disorderly conduct, assault on a police officer and resisting arrest.

"This individual had been in a fight with two other people when police were called to that particular scene. When the officers got there, they tried to subdue him. He wanted to fight, so he subsequently got placed under arrest," Vance said. "Officers had to take him to the ground and place him under arrest."

Vance said from what he's seen on the video and in the police reports, the officers responded appropriately.

"It was a volatile situation involving an individual who was highly intoxicated, and due to his prior actions, apparently came to this event wanting to fight," Vance said.

Vance said he doesn't believe the officer intentionally hit Magee in the head with the baton to intentionally do him harm.

"I think if you've ever been in a fight -- which I've been in lots of them -- sometimes what you swing at, you don't necessarily hit," Vance said. "I think it was our officer's intention to get this guy under control so he could place him under arrest. I don't think there was any other motivation other than that."

Magee said the injury required him to get eight staples in his head. His stepfather said police could have killed him.

"If all police (are) like that, then all our kids -- they're going to be in graveyards," stepfather Ayman Albataineh said.

Magee admitted he needed to be arrested.

"I should have been arrested and not hit in the back of the head," Magee said.

Magee's family has hired an attorney and plans to meet with officials in the Jackson Police Department's Internal Affairs unit.
Link Posted: 3/18/2013 5:18:54 PM EDT
Link Posted: 3/18/2013 5:19:14 PM EDT
Now that's using your head.
Link Posted: 3/18/2013 5:23:48 PM EDT
The drunk kid was the mayors son or chief of police son from a different town? That's what I heard
Link Posted: 3/18/2013 5:26:37 PM EDT
Now the last thing I wanted was to get into a fight In Jackson Mississippi on a Saturday night.
Link Posted: 3/18/2013 5:26:45 PM EDT
If you're swinging away and the dude's jukin and jivin and he gets hit in the head, oh well. Targeting the head is lethal force. Hard to see what else he was aiming at. Looks like a good opportunity for a choke, if that was an option at his department.
Link Posted: 3/18/2013 5:28:41 PM EDT
Originally Posted By Miles_Urbanus:
Now the last thing I wanted was to get into a fight In Jackson Mississippi on a Saturday night.


Link Posted: 3/18/2013 5:29:58 PM EDT
Drunk rednecks.
Link Posted: 3/18/2013 5:33:35 PM EDT
It's Opposite Day
Link Posted: 3/18/2013 5:34:53 PM EDT
Originally Posted By raven:
It's Opposite Day


what you did there....
Link Posted: 3/18/2013 5:35:15 PM EDT
attempted murder.
Link Posted: 3/18/2013 5:35:35 PM EDT
Looks like the cop was going for a suprascapular stun (sp) and the guy's head go pushed back in the way. Good tactic? I wouldn't do it, would have started with a common peronial (sp) strike, but not intentionally targeting head as far as I can tell. But still a whole lotta going on. No baton should have been necessary with that many cops.
Link Posted: 3/18/2013 5:35:44 PM EDT
Don't know about hickory steel shampoo guy but if that other drunk had touched me or my phone it's be on like donkey kong.
Link Posted: 3/18/2013 5:37:12 PM EDT
I was taught that a blow to the head with baton was considered lethal force. Not justified in that situation but last news article I read JPD said the office acted appropriately.
Link Posted: 3/18/2013 5:37:53 PM EDT
Originally Posted By tommyrich:
Don't know about hickory steel shampoo guy but if that other drunk had touched me or my phone it's be on like donkey kong.


The guy in the victims face is a probably a uc or off duty cop.
Link Posted: 3/18/2013 5:38:54 PM EDT
Originally Posted By Miles_Urbanus:
Now the last thing I wanted was to get into a fight In Jackson Mississippi on a Saturday night.

When there was three of them and only one of me.
Link Posted: 3/18/2013 5:39:05 PM EDT
[Last Edit: 3/18/2013 5:39:51 PM EDT by scootr29]

Link Posted: 3/18/2013 5:39:38 PM EDT
the officer should get in trouble for that one. I support law enforcement abd understand the difficult job they have, but that out right wrong.
Link Posted: 3/18/2013 5:42:50 PM EDT
Cold-cocked by a cop with a steel baton.

Link Posted: 3/18/2013 5:44:49 PM EDT
Officer BA Barackus needs a time out for that one.
Link Posted: 3/18/2013 5:47:29 PM EDT
JPD gonna JPD. At least they are not escorting the current mayor on a reign of terror like they did the last one.
Link Posted: 3/18/2013 5:48:33 PM EDT
get drunk and fight the po-lice in mississippi. not a good idea
Link Posted: 3/18/2013 5:48:39 PM EDT
Looked like he punched him in the head, then extended the baton. Hard to tell, but I'm not sure he actually hit him in the head with the baton.

The dipshit trying to take the camera could have used a baton to the head though.
Link Posted: 3/18/2013 5:57:23 PM EDT
WOW - I wonder if Rev. Jessie Jackson will even make a statement? What if that had been two white cops hitting a black person - I can just hear the outrage - just sayin....



Does not look right to me....


Then agin, life is tuff and tuffer when you are stupid!


Red

Link Posted: 3/18/2013 6:03:42 PM EDT
Originally Posted By jmay622133:
get drunk and fight the po-lice in mississippi. not a good idea


sage advice.
Link Posted: 3/18/2013 6:07:13 PM EDT
I'm sure that was just an "accident". His baton must've slipped while he was swinging at the broken tail light.
Link Posted: 3/18/2013 6:12:26 PM EDT
That last police officer who was grabbing the guys phone asking for it.
Link Posted: 3/18/2013 6:28:37 PM EDT
Originally Posted By Deej86:
Originally Posted By Miles_Urbanus:
Now the last thing I wanted was to get into a fight In Jackson Mississippi on a Saturday night.

When there was three of them and only one of me.




'And I ain't even got a garage..... you can call home and ask my wife!!
Link Posted: 3/18/2013 6:42:52 PM EDT
[Last Edit: 3/18/2013 6:44:44 PM EDT by Ogive]
Originally Posted By METT-T:
If you're swinging away and the dude's jukin and jivin and he gets hit in the head, oh well. Targeting the head is lethal force. Hard to see what else he was aiming at. Looks like a good opportunity for a choke, if that was an option at his department.


Striking the head from behind?? I don't think so. Take him down, cuff and arrest. Any blow to the head can be fatal.

You can almost feel it in the air. The American people are getting restless. The time is soon coming that people aren't going to put up with this kind of brutality. A bigger crowd around them, it might not have gone down like this.

I support the police, but they are trained professionals, and should be held to a higher standard of behavior. I don't see where this meets that. He should be fired.
Link Posted: 3/18/2013 6:47:26 PM EDT
Originally Posted By Ogive:


Striking the head from behind?? I don't think so. Take him down, cuff and affest. Any blow to the head can be fatal.

You can almost feel it in the air. The American people are getting restless. The time is soon coming that people aren't going to put up with this kind of brutality. A bigger crowd around them, it might not have gone down like this.

I support the police, but they are trained professionals, and should be held to a higher standard of behavior. I don't see where this meets that. He should be fired.


Have you ever swung at a ball and missed? Well, like the ball, people can move. The guy ducked, or at least appeared to. I still can't say that is where the guy was hit. The loudest sound I heard was actually the elbow. Much louder than the head hits.

As for what you feel about restlessness, you are dreaming. This isn't the riots from the 60s or 70s. The cops were brutal back then and law enforcement is nothing in comparison. If this had been back then, the guy would have been in the hospital before the camera came out. Those days the police were violent and violated rights.

But, hey, let's not stop a usual GD dogpile.
Link Posted: 3/18/2013 6:52:23 PM EDT
Originally Posted By Ogive:
Originally Posted By METT-T:
If you're swinging away and the dude's jukin and jivin and he gets hit in the head, oh well. Targeting the head is lethal force. Hard to see what else he was aiming at. Looks like a good opportunity for a choke, if that was an option at his department.


Striking the head from behind?? I don't think so. Take him down, cuff and arrest. Any blow to the head can be fatal.

You can almost feel it in the air. The American people are getting restless. The time is soon coming that people aren't going to put up with this kind of brutality. A bigger crowd around them, it might not have gone down like this.

I support the police, but they are trained professionals, and should be held to a higher standard of behavior. I don't see where this meets that. He should be fired.


This was JPD that in bold is I personally know an officer that didn't get fired until his third DUI in uniform in his cruiser, yes third. Have you not heard, you can't question an officer, their infallible you silly citizen
Link Posted: 3/18/2013 6:52:50 PM EDT
His target was probably the mans upper arm area but he missed due to all the movement from the pushing and shoving.

Use of force isn't an exact science nor is it pretty. The man in the arena gets the benefit of the doubt in my book.

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Link Posted: 3/18/2013 6:58:10 PM EDT
He puta the h before da w you get out of there he mean biness
Link Posted: 3/18/2013 7:03:07 PM EDT
Originally Posted By Ogive:
Originally Posted By METT-T:
If you're swinging away and the dude's jukin and jivin and he gets hit in the head, oh well. Targeting the head is lethal force. Hard to see what else he was aiming at. Looks like a good opportunity for a choke, if that was an option at his department.


Striking the head from behind?? I don't think so. Take him down, cuff and arrest. Any blow to the head can be fatal.

You can almost feel it in the air. The American people are getting restless. The time is soon coming that people aren't going to put up with this kind of brutality. A bigger crowd around them, it might not have gone down like this.

I support the police, but they are trained professionals, and should be held to a higher standard of behavior. I don't see where this meets that. He should be fired.


One blow, during a scuffle, will 99% of the time be found to be justified, unless the officer claims he aimed for the head.

Graham v Connor is your relevant case law.


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Link Posted: 3/18/2013 7:14:20 PM EDT
That probably hurt.

Guess that'll teach him to block baton strikes with his dome.
Link Posted: 3/18/2013 7:18:49 PM EDT
The baton strike put 8 staples in the guys head

So all is good. I guess he would not even need to go to the hospital...
Link Posted: 3/18/2013 7:20:29 PM EDT
Originally Posted By Deej86:
Originally Posted By Miles_Urbanus:
Now the last thing I wanted was to get into a fight In Jackson Mississippi on a Saturday night.

When there was three of them and only one of me.


And I thought I was the only one who liked that song.


Link Posted: 3/18/2013 7:23:23 PM EDT
fiffy.... Could easily have been trying to strike upper arm or shoulder. Good strike.
Link Posted: 3/18/2013 7:23:46 PM EDT
Freakin drunks are annoying

Link Posted: 3/18/2013 7:24:11 PM EDT
Originally Posted By sum-rifle:
The baton strike put 8 staples in the guys head

So all is good. I guess he would not even need to go to the hospital...


Where did you find this?

The comment section read (0) on Youboob.
Link Posted: 3/18/2013 7:24:57 PM EDT
Originally Posted By TheWhiteHorse:
attempted murder.


Not by any stretch of the imagination.
Link Posted: 3/18/2013 7:29:32 PM EDT
Originally Posted By raven:
It's Opposite Day


Probably wrong, but this made me laugh.

Link Posted: 3/18/2013 7:30:44 PM EDT
If that wild drunk gets loose and starts fucking people up, GD would have been saying, "Why didn't that cop bust his head while he was just getting wound up"
Link Posted: 3/18/2013 7:33:49 PM EDT
[Last Edit: 3/18/2013 7:43:28 PM EDT by xxprince]
Originally Posted By RDP:
Originally Posted By sum-rifle:
The baton strike put 8 staples in the guys head

So all is good. I guess he would not even need to go to the hospital...


Where did you find this?

The comment section read (0) on Youboob.


I posted that in OP, that's what the 10 pm news said last night, I will see if I can find the article.
ETA:
http://m.wapt.com/news/JPD-Officers-caught-on-camera-making-arrest-acted-appropriately/-/17424988/19354402/-/ht0jn8z/-/index.html


JACKSON, Miss. -
A Jackson police official said an officer caught on camera hitting a man with a baton during an arrest at the Mal's St. Paddy's Parade acted appropriately given the "volatile situation."

While the man who was hit admitted he used a racial slur, Zach Magee, 22, said police went too far.

Magee said he had gotten into a fight with strangers. Police stepped in moments later, and Magee was struck.

The incident was caught on cellphone video that showed a drunken Magee mouthing off to police at the St. Patrick's Day parade in Jackson.

Magee's father tried to talk him down, but he was pushed away moments before the baton can be seen being used on the video.

"They got me from behind in the back of the head with the night stick -- with his metal stick and split my head open about 5 inches," Magee said.

Magee said police first approached while he was fighting with two other men. He said a Jackson police officer slapped cigarettes out of his hand. He admitted what he said to police landed him on the ground.

"'F you, n-----.' I guess that's what I said," Magee said. "But they reacted to a racial slur inappropriately."

Jackson Police Assistant Chief Lee Vance said Magee was charged with disorderly conduct, assault on a police officer and resisting arrest.

"This individual had been in a fight with two other people when police were called to that particular scene. When the officers got there, they tried to subdue him. He wanted to fight, so he subsequently got placed under arrest," Vance said. "Officers had to take him to the ground and place him under arrest."

Vance said from what he's seen on the video and in the police reports, the officers responded appropriately.

"It was a volatile situation involving an individual who was highly intoxicated, and due to his prior actions, apparently came to this event wanting to fight," Vance said.

Vance said he doesn't believe the officer intentionally hit Magee in the head with the baton to intentionally do him harm.

"I think if you've ever been in a fight -- which I've been in lots of them -- sometimes what you swing at, you don't necessarily hit," Vance said. "I think it was our officer's intention to get this guy under control so he could place him under arrest. I don't think there was any other motivation other than that."

Magee said the injury required him to get eight staples in his head. His stepfather said police could have killed him.

"If all police (are) like that, then all our kids -- they're going to be in graveyards," stepfather Ayman Albataineh said.

Magee admitted he needed to be arrested.

"I should have been arrested and not hit in the back of the head," Magee said.

Magee's family has hired an attorney and plans to meet with officials in the Jackson Police Department's Internal Affairs unit.


Link Posted: 3/18/2013 7:50:05 PM EDT
Jpd has been a joke for decades. My father was shot when we lived I'm Jackson, funny how the charges where dropped because the shooter didn't match the suspect who raped the neighbor ten minutes prior. I guess if you can't link all the crimes then you let them all go.
JPD can blow an aids dick as far as I'm concerned.
Link Posted: 3/18/2013 7:50:37 PM EDT
Hahahaha
Drunk tells cop "Fuck you N*****" and then the family is in an uproar that he got his head cracked.....

I got news for the "Police Brutality" crowd...

Link Posted: 3/18/2013 8:02:48 PM EDT
Originally Posted By Miles_Urbanus:
Originally Posted By tommyrich:
Don't know about hickory steel shampoo guy but if that other drunk had touched me or my phone it's be on like donkey kong.


The guy in the victims face is a probably a uc or off duty cop.


I'm guessing its his dad since the article said his father tried to talk him down.
Link Posted: 3/18/2013 8:20:39 PM EDT
Originally Posted By rwalters17:
Originally Posted By Miles_Urbanus:
Now the last thing I wanted was to get into a fight In Jackson Mississippi on a Saturday night.




Link Posted: 3/18/2013 9:43:42 PM EDT
Originally Posted By helmutlent:
Drunk rednecks.


Link Posted: 3/18/2013 9:55:23 PM EDT
I'm not taking any sides on this one. Not a hater or apologist.

I think the plain cloths officer could have taken a different route other than being real up close in the guys face... Drunk people tend to respond violently when people get all up in there face and start yelling.. Add that he was not in uniform and asshole was drunk off his ass...

Not a big deal but maybe could have caused things to not go hands on..

I understand its hard and options limited.
Link Posted: 3/18/2013 10:06:22 PM EDT
He didn't exactly have a lot of a target area open to him. Any horizontal strike would have hit someone else. A vertical strike to get around the head that's moving is tough. Doesn't look good, but uses of force never look pretty.
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