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Posted: 10/12/2004 6:52:15 PM EST
[Last Edit: 10/12/2004 7:55:41 PM EST by The_Macallan]

Chechen terrorists probed

U.S. security officials are investigating a recent intelligence report that a group of 25 Chechen terrorists illegally entered the United States from Mexico in July.

The Chechen group is suspected of having links to Islamist terrorists seeking to separate the southern enclave of Chechnya from Russia, according to officials familiar with intelligence reports.

Members of the group, said to be wearing backpacks, secretly traveled to northern Mexico and crossed into a mountainous part of Arizona that is difficult for U.S. border security agents to monitor, said officials speaking on the condition of anonymity.

The intelligence report was supplied to the U.S. government in late August or early September and was based on information from an intelligence source that has been proved reliable in other instances, one official said.

A second U.S. official said the report is being investigated, but said it could not be determined whether the group of Chechens actually entered the country, as the intelligence source reported.
"We don't know whether or not that report is true," this official said.

A spokesman for U.S. Customs and Border Protection confirmed that the intelligence report was provided by another government agency, but said Border Patrol agents were unable to verify its accuracy.

It could not be learned whether the reported infiltration is related to the recent Education Department warning to school officials to examine security in the aftermath of the attack last month by pro-Chechnya Muslim terrorists on a school in Russia, in which more than 300 people were killed and some 700 wounded.

In the Russian attack, heavily armed Islamists took over and wired with explosives the school building in Beslan, North Ossetia. It is believed that an accidental explosion set off a battle between Russian security personnel and the terrorists, who set off several explosions and shot schoolchildren and teachers as they tried to escape.
U.S. officials believe the Beslan terrorists included some al Qaeda-linked foreign terrorists.

The Education Department letter said that school officials should examine "protective measure guidance" for helping to prevent and respond to a similar terrorist attack, were it to occur in the United States.

The notice said the FBI and the Department of Homeland Security are "currently unaware of any specific, credible information indicating a terrorist threat to public and private schools, universities or colleges in the United States."
The letter stated that indicators of terrorist surveillance before an attack include interest in site plans for schools, bus routes and attendance lists from persons who don't normally request such information.

Authorities also were advised to remain alert for "static surveillance" by people who may be disguised as panhandlers, shoeshiners, newspaper or flower vendors, or street sweepers who seem out of place in a particular area.

Other indicators of terrorist surveillance can include spying on school security drills, people staring at employees or vehicles in parking areas, and surveillance by pedestrians.

Fears of an attack on American schools also were raised by the recent discovery in Iraq of a computer disk containing data showing the layout of six schools in the United States, including districts in California, Florida, Georgia, Michigan, New Jersey and Oregon.
Officials believed the disk may have been part of a terrorist plot. However, FBI officials said on Friday that there did not appear to be a terrorist threat connected to the computer disk.

The Iraqi who had the disk, a member of Saddam Hussein's Ba'ath Party, apparently was collecting information from the Internet sites of American schools that would be useful for emergency planning for Iraqi schools, U.S. officials said.

U.S. security officials have been concerned in recent months that al Qaeda or other terrorists are planning to enter the United States from Mexico.

Intelligence officials said a suspected al Qaeda leader who has been in the United States was spotted recently in Mexico. Officials believe Adnan Shukrijumah, whom the FBI wants for questioning, met with alien smugglers in Mexico and Honduras and was seeking ways to bring al Qaeda members into the United States. Shukrijumah was seen in August in the Sonora province of northern Mexico, officials said.

Since October 2003, authorities have arrested five Arabs attempting to cross illegally into the United States from Mexico.

In July, officials dismissed as untrue an Internet report that said a group of Middle Eastern men were recently caught trying to cross the border from Mexico.
The report apparently was based on a group of Oaxacan tribesmen who were stopped as they tried to cross the border in Arizona. The tribesmen spoke an Indian language native to southern Mexico that may have been mistaken for Arabic, officials said at the time.



"Chechen" my ass!!! They're fucking MULSIM TERRORISTS!!!!

Can we just stop fucking around and SECURE THE FUCKING BORDER!!!!


Arabic trash found left in the desert along illegal-alien stopping points.

Floorplans and photos of American schools found on a computer disc in Iraq.

These Islamofascists are planning something fucked up here and there's NOTHING to indicate that we very soon won't be seeing a repeat of Beslan right here in the USA. I only hope that if these MoslemMaggots ever do strike here - some relatives of our BullDyke Governor or our Manchurian Candidate Senator have the shit terrorized out of THEM so MAYBE these fuck up politicians might get off their ass and quit sucking the shit out of Vicente Fox's and the rest of the "Hispanic Community's" big fat Aztlan asses and SECURE THE FUCKING BORDER!!!!





Link Posted: 10/12/2004 6:56:39 PM EST
Drudge Rocks!

His page is my home page!
Link Posted: 10/12/2004 6:58:12 PM EST
They were spotted at walmart buying pointed toed boots and taco-shell cowboy hats.... nope ...wait... that's the Mexicans

Is there any doubt that all kinds of human crap crosses our wide open spaces borders every day at will?
Link Posted: 10/12/2004 6:59:02 PM EST

Originally Posted By RustyTX:
Is there any doubt that all kinds of human crap crosses our wide open spaces borders every day at will?


Nope.
Link Posted: 10/12/2004 7:01:26 PM EST
Not to worry. There is NO CONNECTION between the Chechen seperatist movement and al-Qaeda. The New York Times told me so.
Link Posted: 10/12/2004 7:02:14 PM EST
Coming to a school near you......soon!
Link Posted: 10/12/2004 7:02:46 PM EST

Repeat after me:

It's not a question of if,
but when...

Maybe that MN Sen. was
not a dumbass after all?
Link Posted: 10/12/2004 7:03:10 PM EST

Originally Posted By raven:
Not to worry. There is NO CONNECTION between the Chechen seperatist movement and al-Qaeda. The New York Times told me so.



See! I feel better already. I also read today that the nuke materials that saddam didn't have were missing. I'm sure they'll clear that one up too
Link Posted: 10/12/2004 7:05:11 PM EST
Musta been on the way to Gunstock.
Link Posted: 10/12/2004 7:06:30 PM EST
Link Posted: 10/12/2004 7:07:13 PM EST
The only thing that will wake the American people up so they demand the borders be closed is another terrorist attack. Until we secure our borders we are wide open to attack. I feel bad for whoever dies by these 25 terrorist's hands, but we need to get hit again. Wake up American public!
Link Posted: 10/12/2004 7:08:04 PM EST

Originally Posted By rayra:
Musta been on the way to Gunstock.



Live targets!!! One can only hope!
Link Posted: 10/12/2004 7:16:00 PM EST

Originally Posted By Thor21:
The only thing that will wake the American people up so they demand the borders be closed is another terrorist attack. Until we secure our borders we are wide open to attack. I feel bad for whoever dies by these 25 terrorist's hands, but we need to get hit again. Wake up American public!





Why would another one be any different?

The Left would scream about racism, and yet accuse W of doing nothing!

If you ask me, we should post armed troops on the border and shoot illegal crossers on sight and without warning. Good luck getting THAT implemented!
Link Posted: 10/12/2004 7:27:01 PM EST

Originally Posted By rayra:
Musta been on the way to Gunstock.



Well, where else?

Schools have been declared "gun free zones," so they cant attack those, now.

Link Posted: 10/12/2004 7:52:43 PM EST

Originally Posted By the:

Originally Posted By rayra:
Musta been on the way to Gunstock.



Well, where else?

Schools have been declared "gun free zones," so they cant attack those, now.




We aught to have the same policy they have in Israel - every teacher and school official is issued an Uzi and trained in its proper use. That would solve the problem. I'm sorry but those "emergency exit drills" are completely useless when a terrorist with an AK-47 steps into the elementary school classroom. Our PC culture has caused our schools to be completely vulnerable, and there ain't sh*t that can really be done to fix it.
Link Posted: 10/12/2004 7:53:15 PM EST
What does a Chechen look like? How do you identify a Chechen? What Language do they speak? What is their motivation? What do they want with us? What are their potential targets?

Seriously.
Link Posted: 10/12/2004 7:57:30 PM EST
www.sofmag.com/display.do?id=74

A good supporting article about the truth of the borders.
Link Posted: 10/12/2004 7:59:02 PM EST
Put one in their head and help stop their breeding
Link Posted: 10/12/2004 8:02:58 PM EST
[Last Edit: 10/12/2004 8:05:07 PM EST by The_Macallan]

Originally Posted By gaspain:
What does a Chechen look like?

White.

True "Caucasian" - like a mix of slavic and Ukranian - squareish heads, boney faces. Foreign looking.


How do you identify a Chechen?
By the way they talk, act, look.


What Language do they speak?
Probably foreign/slavic/Russian sounding.


What is their motivation?
"To crush my enemy, to see him driven before me, and to hear the lamentations of the women."

Seriously.


What do they want with us?
"To crush my enemy, to see him driven before me, and to hear the lamentations of the women."

Seriously.


What are their potential targets?
Schools, buses, movie theaters, large gatherings, apartments, malls.

Basically American people are their targets.

Link Posted: 10/12/2004 8:08:09 PM EST
[Last Edit: 10/12/2004 8:14:19 PM EST by Noname]

Originally Posted By gaspain:
What does a Chechen look like? How do you identify a Chechen? What Language do they speak? What is their motivation? What do they want with us? What are their potential targets?

Seriously.




cfrterrorism.org/groups/chechens.html

news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/world/monitoring/528620.stm

www.aeronautics.ru/chechnya/cgallery.htm

www.ccc.nps.navy.mil/si/may03/russia.asp
Link Posted: 10/12/2004 8:15:29 PM EST

Originally Posted By The_Macallan:

Originally Posted By gaspain:
What does a Chechen look like?

White.

True "Caucasian" - like a mix of slavic and Ukranian - squareish heads, boney faces. Foreign looking.


How do you identify a Chechen?
By the way they talk, act, look.


What Language do they speak?
Probably foreign/slavic/Russian sounding.


What is their motivation?
"To crush my enemy, to see him driven before me, and to hear the lamentations of the women."

Seriously.


What do they want with us?
"To crush my enemy, to see him driven before me, and to hear the lamentations of the women."

Seriously.


What are their potential targets?
Schools, buses, movie theaters, large gatherings, apartments, malls.

Basically American people are their targets.






Are you SCARED?Ya know,if you're scared,just say you're scared.


Who was the Jap that when asked "why didn't he invade US mainland?"And his response was "Because there would be a rifle behind every blade of grass."
Link Posted: 10/12/2004 8:17:51 PM EST
FYI It is on coast to coast am right now doing part of the show on it right now.
Link Posted: 10/12/2004 8:19:43 PM EST

Originally Posted By MAC-DADDY:

Are you SCARED?Ya know,if you're scared,just say you're scared.


Who was the Jap that when asked "why didn't he invade US mainland?"And his response was "Because there would be a rifle behind every blade of grass."



You have to know your enemy.
Link Posted: 10/12/2004 8:19:55 PM EST
[Last Edit: 10/13/2004 5:29:48 AM EST by The_Macallan]

Originally Posted By MAC-DADDY:
Who was the Jap that when asked "why didn't he invade US mainland?"And his response was "Because there would be a rifle behind every blade of grass."


Have you been paying attention to all the harrassment the Feds are giving AMERICAN CITIZENS who try to defend their own property from the invasion?

What good is it if the person holding the rifle is now considered 'the enemy' by his own gov't???


Link Posted: 10/12/2004 8:32:07 PM EST
NOW will you mine the borders?????


IT'S FOR THE SCHOOL CHILDREN, ASSHOLE !!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
Link Posted: 10/12/2004 8:39:21 PM EST
i was watching some show on CMT the other night and part of it was about some guys in arizona that run a private border patrol company. I instantly thought.. "Please let me win that $214mil powerball so i can move down there and start a company like that."
Link Posted: 10/12/2004 8:43:02 PM EST

Originally Posted By MAC-DADDY:
Who was the Jap that when asked "why didn't he invade US mainland?"And his response was "Because there would be a rifle behind every blade of grass."



Admiral Isoroku Yamamoto
Link Posted: 10/12/2004 8:50:44 PM EST

Originally Posted By MAC-DADDY:
... Who was the Jap that when asked "why didn't he invade US mainland?"And his response was "Because there would be a rifle behind every blade of grass."


Problem is – the goals of WWII Japanese and Al Queda terrorists are totally different.

Anyone who’s willing to fly a plane into a building isn’t going to be afraid of a rifle behind a blade of grass.

If this report is true, these guys have been planning this for months, if not years, and no doubt have some serious things in mind!!
Link Posted: 10/12/2004 8:51:04 PM EST
WHY ARE NO OTHER NEWS AGENCIES COVERING THIS?
Link Posted: 10/12/2004 8:51:27 PM EST

Originally Posted By eaglebite:

Originally Posted By MAC-DADDY:
Who was the Jap that when asked "why didn't he invade US mainland?"And his response was "Because there would be a rifle behind every blade of grass."



Admiral Isoroku Yamamoto



Smart man...
Link Posted: 10/12/2004 9:11:58 PM EST
[Last Edit: 10/12/2004 9:12:53 PM EST by Nugz]
From the posted article:

"It could not be learned whether the reported infiltration is related to the recent Education Department warning to school officials to examine security in the aftermath of the attack last month by pro-Chechnya Muslim terrorists on a school in Russia, in which more than 300 people were killed and some 700 wounded."

The elementary school my children attend had a "lockdown drill" very recently. This has never occured at this school to the best of my knowledge. Fire drills and tornado drills yes but nothing like this. Anyone else seeing this kind of thing? When I read the letter to parents regarding this drill I couldnt help but think "feel good measure". There is no way such a structure could be made secure from a determined opposition. "Lock down" my ass. I know better....and that scares me.
Link Posted: 10/12/2004 9:18:02 PM EST
Time to deploy some Area Denial Systems from Metal Storm --- it is the only way to be sure
Link Posted: 10/12/2004 9:19:15 PM EST
i suppose it would be frowned upon if we gathered masses of armed, and actually concerned citizens, to patrol the affected areas.
Link Posted: 10/12/2004 9:20:07 PM EST
It's a shame economics prevail over security when it comes to shutting the damn border with Mexico. It's going to cost a lot of lives down the road if we don't.
Link Posted: 10/12/2004 9:21:29 PM EST

Originally Posted By jt325i:
It's a shame economics prevail over security when it comes to shutting the damn border with Mexico. It's going to cost a lot of lives down the road if we don't.



Uncle Sam, PUT UP THAT WALL!
Link Posted: 10/12/2004 9:25:51 PM EST

Originally Posted By mrphelps:
WHY ARE NO OTHER NEWS AGENCIES COVERING THIS?


Actually, Drudge got it from the Washington Times, who I suspect will have a long article on it this morning’s paper. www.washingtontimes.com/
Link Posted: 10/12/2004 9:27:36 PM EST

Originally Posted By Nugz:
From the posted article:

"It could not be learned whether the reported infiltration is related to the recent Education Department warning to school officials to examine security in the aftermath of the attack last month by pro-Chechnya Muslim terrorists on a school in Russia, in which more than 300 people were killed and some 700 wounded."

The elementary school my children attend had a "lockdown drill" very recently. This has never occured at this school to the best of my knowledge. Fire drills and tornado drills yes but nothing like this. Anyone else seeing this kind of thing? When I read the letter to parents regarding this drill I couldnt help but think "feel good measure". There is no way such a structure could be made secure from a determined opposition. "Lock down" my ass. I know better....and that scares me.



People say I'm protective of my children because I home school them. Fucking-A right I'm protective of my kids! That's just one of the reasons they don't attend socialist indoctrination centers.

Remember the Alamo, and God Bless Texas...
Link Posted: 10/12/2004 9:29:14 PM EST

Originally Posted By Nugz:
From the posted article:

"It could not be learned whether the reported infiltration is related to the recent Education Department warning to school officials to examine security in the aftermath of the attack last month by pro-Chechnya Muslim terrorists on a school in Russia, in which more than 300 people were killed and some 700 wounded."

The elementary school my children attend had a "lockdown drill" very recently. This has never occured at this school to the best of my knowledge. Fire drills and tornado drills yes but nothing like this. Anyone else seeing this kind of thing? When I read the letter to parents regarding this drill I couldnt help but think "feel good measure". There is no way such a structure could be made secure from a determined opposition. "Lock down" my ass. I know better....and that scares me.




Lockdown drills are a decent start but are basically useless in the long run. It might wake a few people up to the reality of it, but anyone can kick down a classroom door once inside, start rounding people up in a gym.... you know the rest

I can see a lot of rifles with fancy glass popping up if something went down in a non-inner-city school.

God forbid something happens tho



- BG
Link Posted: 10/12/2004 9:29:43 PM EST
How many posters in this thread have contacted their elected reps over this issue???????




Link Posted: 10/12/2004 9:42:00 PM EST
To actually seal our border with Mexico is impossible. To seriously attempt it would break us financially in short order. And forget the fantasies about 'citizen patrols' being a realistic option
Link Posted: 10/12/2004 9:53:47 PM EST

Originally Posted By Sparky315:
To actually seal our border with Mexico is impossible. To seriously attempt it would break us financially in short order. And forget the fantasies about 'citizen patrols' being a realistic option




Well then, Sparky.... what's the solution? BOHICA?


Anyone can tear someone else's idea down; it's an entirely different matter to actually propose a solution.


Then again, I suppose you'll tell us about sensitivity to the plight of our Mexican neighbors, or lax immigration standards.
Link Posted: 10/12/2004 10:55:40 PM EST
I find it hard to believe arab terrorists could travel freely through crooked ass Mexico, and then across the U.S. border without the sanction of people high in the Mexican government/underworld.
Link Posted: 10/12/2004 11:19:22 PM EST

WHY ARE NO OTHER NEWS AGENCIES COVERING THIS?


Because the poeple who own them own other companies that make them tons of money by paying illigals to work for less.

Payroll is the largest expense of most companies.
Link Posted: 10/12/2004 11:57:42 PM EST
US government didnt want Russia to calm them down and turn them into civil people back in 1991.

God be with you brothers and sisters. Its not your fault. We should of finished this scum decade ago. But someone in US office didnt want that to happen, because Russia was always EVIL right?
Link Posted: 10/13/2004 12:00:13 AM EST

Originally Posted By RussianKaliber:
US government didnt want Russia to calm them down and turn them into civil people back in 1991.

God be with you brothers and sisters. Its not your fault. We should of finished this scum decade ago. But someone in US office didnt want that to happen, because Russia was always EVIL right?



No Russia wasnt evil. The communist Soviet party was evil.
Link Posted: 10/13/2004 12:05:40 AM EST

Originally Posted By gaspain:

No Russia wasnt evil. The communist Soviet party was evil.



+1
Link Posted: 10/13/2004 12:30:16 AM EST
[Last Edit: 10/13/2004 12:31:57 AM EST by wganz]

Originally Posted By RussianKaliber:
US government didnt want Russia to calm them down and turn them into civil people back in 1991.

God be with you brothers and sisters. Its not your fault. We should of finished this scum decade ago. But someone in US office didnt want that to happen, because Russia was always EVIL right?



+1 Someone else got it right!!

I'm so pissed I really don't know what to say about these TBKMFTCBN just FVKing waltzing into the country. Yeah, the Religion of Peace coming to a school near you. I am so glad that my sister's kids are being home schooled and my daughter isn't in school yet.


wganz


Terrorist Baby Killer That Cannot Be Named



Day #16 awaiting on my Team Membership to be processed.
Link Posted: 10/13/2004 12:53:32 AM EST
tag for later
Link Posted: 10/13/2004 2:47:27 AM EST
Link Posted: 10/13/2004 2:48:43 AM EST
[Last Edit: 10/13/2004 2:50:46 AM EST by Winston_Wolf]
... Something must be done with that border south of here. When I was a teenager it was all fun-and-games, not any longer. I've grown to despise the whole mess.

... Money is the political motive behind the apathy and ambivalence toward the problem. It's not just going to go away because of some impotent proposition on Arizona's November ballot. It's eyewash.

... No, it's going to take Federal legislation that is serious about addressing the problem (influx of illegal immigrants) - and my doubts linger that will happen any time soon.
Link Posted: 10/13/2004 2:51:35 AM EST

Originally Posted By The_Macallan:
Arabic trash found left in the desert along illegal-alien stopping points.



Link???

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