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Posted: 11/1/2009 1:29:36 PM EST
[Last Edit: 11/1/2009 1:30:04 PM EST by OFFascist]
http://news.yahoo.com/s/ap/us_ny_special_election

Looks like they dont want any third party ruining the two party system.
Link Posted: 11/1/2009 1:32:08 PM EST
Originally Posted By OFFascist:
http://news.yahoo.com/s/ap/us_ny_special_election

Looks like they dont want any third party ruining the two party system.


Or she was an Arlen Sepctor / Jeffords / Snowe / Collins RINO Trojan Horse in the first place JUST LIKE all of use have been saying.

Link Posted: 11/1/2009 1:33:21 PM EST
Originally Posted By GonzoAR15-1:
Originally Posted By OFFascist:
http://news.yahoo.com/s/ap/us_ny_special_election

Looks like they dont want any third party ruining the two party system.


Or she was an Arlen Sepctor / Jeffords / Snowe / Collins RINO Trojan Horse in the first place JUST LIKE all of use have been saying.



this
Link Posted: 11/1/2009 1:35:04 PM EST
We have liberal democrats infiltrating the republican party.

Point in case
Link Posted: 11/1/2009 1:36:00 PM EST
didnt the NRA back this woman?
Link Posted: 11/1/2009 1:37:22 PM EST
After reviewing her bio and her political positions, this is a surprise to anyone?
Link Posted: 11/1/2009 1:39:46 PM EST
[Last Edit: 11/1/2009 1:40:16 PM EST by WGPKlaus]
LoL, heard good old Newt talking about that RINO this AM, saying she essentially took one for the party when she stepped aside, yeah...that worked out pretty well for her! and he was backing her!
Link Posted: 11/1/2009 1:40:07 PM EST
Originally Posted By staringback05:
didnt the NRA back this woman?


And Newt apparently.
Link Posted: 11/1/2009 1:40:12 PM EST
[Last Edit: 11/1/2009 1:45:46 PM EST by Kihn]
Originally Posted By staringback05:
didnt the NRA back this woman?


I kind of doubt it. Her agenda is about as liberal as it gets. I think the idea was to give the electorate exactly once choice under two different brands. The new guy Hoffman blew out the deal when it turns out he is a true conservative (so the voters actually have more than one choice).


ETA:
Holy crap she did have an NRA endorsement

Link Posted: 11/1/2009 1:43:33 PM EST
[Last Edit: 11/1/2009 1:43:55 PM EST by STRIKE504]
Originally Posted By staringback05:
didnt the NRA back this woman?


Are you thinking about Senator Gillibrandt? I surely hope they didn't back this flaming POS.
Link Posted: 11/1/2009 1:43:55 PM EST
[Last Edit: 11/1/2009 1:45:44 PM EST by Max_Mike]
Originally Posted By GonzoAR15-1:
Originally Posted By OFFascist:
http://news.yahoo.com/s/ap/us_ny_special_election

Looks like they dont want any third party ruining the two party system.


Or she was an Arlen Sepctor / Jeffords / Snowe / Collins RINO Trojan Horse in the first place JUST LIKE all of use have been saying.



This

Some here were fooled but not as many as I would have expected.

Those who were devoid of direction and purpose.



I will be sitting in the corner waiting to get....
Link Posted: 11/1/2009 1:45:34 PM EST
She's trolling for work after the election...
Link Posted: 11/1/2009 1:46:28 PM EST
Originally Posted By LWilde:
After reviewing her bio and her political positions, this is a surprise to anyone?


Newt Gingrich?
Link Posted: 11/1/2009 1:47:13 PM EST
Originally Posted By STRIKE504:
Originally Posted By staringback05:
didnt the NRA back this woman?


Are you thinking about Senator Gillibrandt? I surely hope they didn't back this flaming POS.


no i thought i saw a thread not to long ago about the NRA backing scozzoa whatever....just because she was a gun rights person...

if this was true....why not back the conservative...gun rights person, hoffman?...OR just not back anyone at all...considering the other crap this woman
stands for?? gun rights are important but they are NOT the end all be all
Link Posted: 11/1/2009 1:53:44 PM EST

Originally Posted By PantherArms762:
Originally Posted By staringback05:
didnt the NRA back this woman?

And Newt apparently.

Dickheads like Newt Gingrich are the enemy within the Republican party.

Link Posted: 11/1/2009 2:06:57 PM EST
Originally Posted By fishngrits:

Originally Posted By PantherArms762:
Originally Posted By staringback05:
didnt the NRA back this woman?

And Newt apparently.

Dickheads like Newt Gingrich are the enemy within the Republican party.



I'm tired of hearing about the "big tent."

You can have a variety of policy ideas to get to a particular ENDS, but unless the END you seek is actually conservative, then get the fuck out. Voters can vote for Democrats if they want statist, socialist, rights diminishing nonsense.

Republicans may have different approaches, but they should at least believe in smaller government, more personal freedom, reduction of federal hegemony, empowerment of the states and local governments, and evaluation at every decision point whether the government should get involved or if treating the people with benign neglect is actually more compatible with living in a free country.

The national organization should not bat an eye at throwing a liberal RINO the fuck out of the party. Snowe, Collins, etc., should not get a fucking DIME of contribution money. They do not just have different ideas on how to "get there,' their destination is wholly incompatible with what the party is about.
Link Posted: 11/1/2009 2:09:43 PM EST

Originally Posted By GonzoAR15-1:
Originally Posted By fishngrits:

Originally Posted By PantherArms762:
Originally Posted By staringback05:
didnt the NRA back this woman?

And Newt apparently.

Dickheads like Newt Gingrich are the enemy within the Republican party.



I'm tired of hearing about the "big tent."

You can have a variety of policy ideas to get to a particular ENDS, but unless the END you seek is actually conservative, then get the fuck out. Voters can vote for Democrats if they want statist, socialist, rights diminishing nonsense.

Republicans may have different approaches, but they should at least believe in smaller government, more personal freedom, reduction of federal hegemony, empowerment of the states and local governments, and evaluation at every decision point whether the government should get involved or if treating the people with benign neglect is actually more compatible with living in a free country.

The national organization should not bat an eye at throwing a liberal RINO the fuck out of the party. Snowe, Collins, etc., should not get a fucking DIME of contribution money. They do not just have different ideas on how to "get there,' their destination is wholly incompatible with what the party is about.

And what if the GOP *NEEDS* those people to get Reid & Pelosi out of their chairs?

While the RINOs may be a pain in the ass now, with the GOP in the minority...

Giving those seats to the Ds simply insures a longer time in the minority...

Who cares how hard the 'ideologically pure' yell, if they are powerless to do anything else?
Link Posted: 11/1/2009 2:10:37 PM EST
Actions really do speak louder than words in this case.



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Link Posted: 11/1/2009 2:10:51 PM EST
[Last Edit: 11/1/2009 2:11:46 PM EST by Dave_A]

Originally Posted By OFFascist:
http://news.yahoo.com/s/ap/us_ny_special_election

Looks like they dont want any third party ruining the two party system.

Do you really think her voters would listen to a 'Hoffman' endorsement?

It's a liberal state... You either run RINOs, or you lose.

P.S. The 'Two Party System' is a mathematical fact of life in US politics. Multiparty systems are for parlimentary democracies, not US-style Republics...
Link Posted: 11/1/2009 2:14:06 PM EST

Originally Posted By GonzoAR15-1:
Originally Posted By fishngrits:

Originally Posted By PantherArms762:
Originally Posted By staringback05:
didnt the NRA back this woman?

And Newt apparently.

Dickheads like Newt Gingrich are the enemy within the Republican party.



I'm tired of hearing about the "big tent."

You can have a variety of policy ideas to get to a particular ENDS, but unless the END you seek is actually conservative, then get the fuck out. Voters can vote for Democrats if they want statist, socialist, rights diminishing nonsense.

Republicans may have different approaches, but they should at least believe in smaller government, more personal freedom, reduction of federal hegemony, empowerment of the states and local governments, and evaluation at every decision point whether the government should get involved or if treating the people with benign neglect is actually more compatible with living in a free country.

The national organization should not bat an eye at throwing a liberal RINO the fuck out of the party. Snowe, Collins, etc., should not get a fucking DIME of contribution money. They do not just have different ideas on how to "get there,' their destination is wholly incompatible with what the party is about.

This in a nut shell. What good is it to vote Republican, if all they are going to do is vote with the liberals most of the time? It a dumb political strategy that will never get to what we want.
Link Posted: 11/1/2009 2:15:07 PM EST

Originally Posted By Procyon:
Originally Posted By GonzoAR15-1:
Originally Posted By OFFascist:
http://news.yahoo.com/s/ap/us_ny_special_election

Looks like they dont want any third party ruining the two party system.


Or she was an Arlen Sepctor / Jeffords / Snowe / Collins RINO Trojan Horse in the first place JUST LIKE all of use have been saying.



this

/thread

Link Posted: 11/1/2009 2:15:53 PM EST

Originally Posted By Dave_A:

Originally Posted By GonzoAR15-1:
Originally Posted By fishngrits:

Originally Posted By PantherArms762:
Originally Posted By staringback05:
didnt the NRA back this woman?

And Newt apparently.

Dickheads like Newt Gingrich are the enemy within the Republican party.



I'm tired of hearing about the "big tent."

You can have a variety of policy ideas to get to a particular ENDS, but unless the END you seek is actually conservative, then get the fuck out. Voters can vote for Democrats if they want statist, socialist, rights diminishing nonsense.

Republicans may have different approaches, but they should at least believe in smaller government, more personal freedom, reduction of federal hegemony, empowerment of the states and local governments, and evaluation at every decision point whether the government should get involved or if treating the people with benign neglect is actually more compatible with living in a free country.

The national organization should not bat an eye at throwing a liberal RINO the fuck out of the party. Snowe, Collins, etc., should not get a fucking DIME of contribution money. They do not just have different ideas on how to "get there,' their destination is wholly incompatible with what the party is about.

And what if the GOP *NEEDS* those people to get Reid & Pelosi out of their chairs?

While the RINOs may be a pain in the ass now, with the GOP in the minority...

Giving those seats to the Ds simply insures a longer time in the minority...

Who cares how hard the 'ideologically pure' yell, if they are powerless to do anything else?

That train of thought has gotten us no where. When ever we do get the power, they manage to sabotage everything which we try to do. Frankly, I rather have a D holing the seat, than a RINO Republican.
Link Posted: 11/1/2009 2:16:45 PM EST

Originally Posted By Kihn:
Originally Posted By staringback05:
didnt the NRA back this woman?


I kind of doubt it. Her agenda is about as liberal as it gets. I think the idea was to give the electorate exactly once choice under two different brands. The new guy Hoffman blew out the deal when it turns out he is a true conservative (so the voters actually have more than one choice).


ETA:
Holy crap she did have an NRA endorsement


The NRA is a single-issue organization. If a major party candidate says the right things on their questionnaire and has no voting record to the contrary the NRA will endorse them every time.
Link Posted: 11/1/2009 2:16:57 PM EST
Of course.

It's the established politicians v. us.

These people vacation together and then argue in front of the cameras.
Link Posted: 11/1/2009 2:17:36 PM EST
[Last Edit: 11/1/2009 2:19:41 PM EST by Strykewolf]
Originally Posted By Dave_A:

Originally Posted By GonzoAR15-1:
Originally Posted By fishngrits:

Originally Posted By PantherArms762:
Originally Posted By staringback05:
didnt the NRA back this woman?

And Newt apparently.

Dickheads like Newt Gingrich are the enemy within the Republican party.



I'm tired of hearing about the "big tent."

You can have a variety of policy ideas to get to a particular ENDS, but unless the END you seek is actually conservative, then get the fuck out. Voters can vote for Democrats if they want statist, socialist, rights diminishing nonsense.

Republicans may have different approaches, but they should at least believe in smaller government, more personal freedom, reduction of federal hegemony, empowerment of the states and local governments, and evaluation at every decision point whether the government should get involved or if treating the people with benign neglect is actually more compatible with living in a free country.

The national organization should not bat an eye at throwing a liberal RINO the fuck out of the party. Snowe, Collins, etc., should not get a fucking DIME of contribution money. They do not just have different ideas on how to "get there,' their destination is wholly incompatible with what the party is about.

And what if the GOP *NEEDS* those people to get Reid & Pelosi out of their chairs?

While the RINOs may be a pain in the ass now, with the GOP in the minority...

Giving those seats to the Ds simply insures a longer time in the minority...

Who cares how hard the 'ideologically pure' yell, if they are powerless to do anything else?


Perhaps the Republican party needs to have a epiphany, Dave.
Link Posted: 11/1/2009 2:18:08 PM EST
It's proof she was undercover. The fact that she supports the dem now, validates her replacement in the GOP.
Link Posted: 11/1/2009 2:19:43 PM EST
[Last Edit: 11/1/2009 2:20:28 PM EST by Tony7189]
Originally Posted By Dave_A:

Originally Posted By OFFascist:
http://news.yahoo.com/s/ap/us_ny_special_election

Looks like they dont want any third party ruining the two party system.

Do you really think her voters would listen to a 'Hoffman' endorsement?

It's a liberal state... You either run RINOs, or you lose.

P.S. The 'Two Party System' is a mathematical fact of life in US politics. Multiparty systems are for parlimentary democracies, not US-style Republics...


I'm voting for Hoffman and everyone I know is as well. This is a conservative district. Regardless of the way it voted in last years presidential election.

ETA: Can she be kicked out of the party?
Link Posted: 11/1/2009 2:22:34 PM EST
[Last Edit: 11/1/2009 2:23:49 PM EST by david_g17]
Originally Posted By Dave_A:
...It's a liberal state... You either run RINOs, or you lose.


Winning with RINOs is still a loss.

Because eventually, you have to appease them. If you don't believe me, ask the Californians about their handgun ammo.
Link Posted: 11/1/2009 2:24:06 PM EST
Originally Posted By Dave_A:

Originally Posted By OFFascist:
http://news.yahoo.com/s/ap/us_ny_special_election

Looks like they dont want any third party ruining the two party system.

Do you really think her voters would listen to a 'Hoffman' endorsement?

It's a liberal state... You either run RINOs, or you lose.

P.S. The 'Two Party System' is a mathematical fact of life in US politics. Multiparty systems are for parlimentary democracies, not US-style Republics...


It may be an overall liberal state, but it's not a liberal area.
Link Posted: 11/1/2009 2:25:02 PM EST
Originally Posted By david_g17:
Originally Posted By Dave_A:
...It's a liberal state... You either run RINOs, or you lose.


Winning with RINOs is still a loss.

Because eventually, you have to appease them. If you don't believe me, ask the Californians about their handgun ammo.


Wasn't Scozzafava in third place as well?
Link Posted: 11/1/2009 2:26:58 PM EST
C U N T
Link Posted: 11/1/2009 2:28:05 PM EST
Why do people think that running the country into the ground with a R at the wheel is better for the party and/or us than having a D do it? That line of thinking amazes me.
Link Posted: 11/1/2009 2:29:33 PM EST
Link Posted: 11/1/2009 2:30:45 PM EST
I'm not convinced John or Meghan McCain voted Republican last year either.
Link Posted: 11/1/2009 2:31:03 PM EST
Treachery...
Link Posted: 11/1/2009 2:31:38 PM EST
Originally Posted By surveyor3:
Why do people think that running the country into the ground with a R at the wheel is better for the party and/or us than having a D do it? That line of thinking amazes me.


Its called history. 9 times out of 10, a liberal will be a gun grabbing, special interest group centered, pro union, commie pinko libtard. Its not always the case, but the parties do stand for something.
Link Posted: 11/1/2009 2:35:52 PM EST
Originally Posted By Molotov357:
We have liberal democrats infiltrating the republican party.

Point in case


cunt
Link Posted: 11/1/2009 2:38:25 PM EST
She was a Democrat, so this is no surprise. Seriously, it's better to be a strong and vibrant minority party than a demoralized and capitulating big tent party. The issue here, folks is ideas not party affiliation. It does us no good to support Democrats just because they call themselves a Republican.
Link Posted: 11/1/2009 2:46:12 PM EST
Originally Posted By Dave_A:

Originally Posted By GonzoAR15-1:
Originally Posted By fishngrits:

Originally Posted By PantherArms762:
Originally Posted By staringback05:
didnt the NRA back this woman?

And Newt apparently.

Dickheads like Newt Gingrich are the enemy within the Republican party.



I'm tired of hearing about the "big tent."

You can have a variety of policy ideas to get to a particular ENDS, but unless the END you seek is actually conservative, then get the fuck out. Voters can vote for Democrats if they want statist, socialist, rights diminishing nonsense.

Republicans may have different approaches, but they should at least believe in smaller government, more personal freedom, reduction of federal hegemony, empowerment of the states and local governments, and evaluation at every decision point whether the government should get involved or if treating the people with benign neglect is actually more compatible with living in a free country.

The national organization should not bat an eye at throwing a liberal RINO the fuck out of the party. Snowe, Collins, etc., should not get a fucking DIME of contribution money. They do not just have different ideas on how to "get there,' their destination is wholly incompatible with what the party is about.

And what if the GOP *NEEDS* those people to get Reid & Pelosi out of their chairs?

While the RINOs may be a pain in the ass now, with the GOP in the minority...

Giving those seats to the Ds simply insures a longer time in the minority...

Who cares how hard the 'ideologically pure' yell, if they are powerless to do anything else?


Nonsense.

That mindset elevates ACQUIRING power above actually moving policy in a proper direction.

The problem with the RINOS, is that you wind up having to appease them. And they wind up causing you to look skitzo because to appease them, you do things that cause the voters to say "well, fuck... if they're going to spend money like drunken sailors anyway, then hey, I'll just vote for the Dims because they give me the same thing and they say I don't have any responsibility for my lot in life either."

And Dave... it should be clear by now: The fact that RINOs are selected to cement POWER in the committee structure is more about dolling out pork and keeping "in power" than about being conservative at the end of the day. And that's just one more reason, if one were needed, why the power and money in federal government ought to be constricted. The amount of graft that will be paid to politically connected "anointed ones" under the typical federal program is just baffling. And in many (if not most) cases, things like the federal highways and other key infrastructure excepted, the states and cities could get more appropriate and accountable programs in place instead.
Link Posted: 11/1/2009 2:52:39 PM EST
Originally Posted By Kihn:
Originally Posted By staringback05:
didnt the NRA back this woman?


I kind of doubt it. Her agenda is about as liberal as it gets. I think the idea was to give the electorate exactly once choice under two different brands. The new guy Hoffman blew out the deal when it turns out he is a true conservative (so the voters actually have more than one choice).


ETA:
Holy crap she did have an NRA endorsement



She is supposedly anti-gun control.
Link Posted: 11/1/2009 2:54:33 PM EST
Originally Posted By Dave_A:

Originally Posted By OFFascist:
http://news.yahoo.com/s/ap/us_ny_special_election

Looks like they dont want any third party ruining the two party system.

Do you really think her voters would listen to a 'Hoffman' endorsement?

It's a liberal state... You either run RINOs, or you lose.

P.S. The 'Two Party System' is a mathematical fact of life in US politics. Multiparty systems are for parlimentary democracies, not US-style Republics...


Supposedly Republican safe district.
Link Posted: 11/1/2009 2:56:25 PM EST

Originally Posted By VTHOKIESHOOTER:
Frankly, I rather have a D holing the seat, than a RINO Republican.

Yup, because when the incumbent is a D, at least we can run a conservative against them. When the incumbent is a liberal R, you're stuck with a "lesser of the two evils" choice.
Link Posted: 11/1/2009 2:58:05 PM EST

Originally Posted By TexasLoneGunman:
Originally Posted By Dave_A:

Originally Posted By OFFascist:
http://news.yahoo.com/s/ap/us_ny_special_election

Looks like they dont want any third party ruining the two party system.

Do you really think her voters would listen to a 'Hoffman' endorsement?

It's a liberal state... You either run RINOs, or you lose.

P.S. The 'Two Party System' is a mathematical fact of life in US politics. Multiparty systems are for parlimentary democracies, not US-style Republics...


Supposedly Republican safe district.

In New York...

EG, 'Moderate Democrat' in Texas terms...

And the fact that a Dem has the seat right now <> 'Republican 'Safe' District'

Link Posted: 11/1/2009 2:59:01 PM EST

Originally Posted By NoStockBikes:

Originally Posted By VTHOKIESHOOTER:
Frankly, I rather have a D holing the seat, than a RINO Republican.

Yup, because when the incumbent is a D, at least we can run a conservative against them. When the incumbent is a liberal R, you're stuck with a "lesser of the two evils" choice.

It's a numbers game...

You can 'run conservatives against' a NY D all day long, and it will do nothing....

However, if you get a RINO in the House, that's +1 for getting Pelosi out of the speaker's chair...
Link Posted: 11/1/2009 2:59:12 PM EST
Assemblywoman Dede Scozzafava

Here is her website: Link

Tell her what you think of her.





Link Posted: 11/1/2009 3:00:23 PM EST
Originally Posted By Molotov357:
We have liberal democrats infiltrating the republican party.

Point in case


this is it exactly. she was a plant. Like mccain and jeffords used to be, they vote liberal when it really matters and run as republicans when people aren't paying attention.

she was lib plant all along.

Link Posted: 11/1/2009 3:00:25 PM EST
Originally Posted By VTHOKIESHOOTER:
That train of thought has gotten us no where. When ever we do get the power, they manage to sabotage everything which we try to do. Frankly, I rather have a D holing the seat, than a RINO Republican.


Amen
Link Posted: 11/1/2009 3:01:10 PM EST
I still like the idea of the country getting a divorce. split it up.
Link Posted: 11/1/2009 3:01:18 PM EST

Originally Posted By david_g17:
Originally Posted By Dave_A:
...It's a liberal state... You either run RINOs, or you lose.


Winning with RINOs is still a loss.

Because eventually, you have to appease them. If you don't believe me, ask the Californians about their handgun ammo.

1) Arnie's handgun-ammo-seller-licensing would have passed either way...

2) When talking about US Congress, it's the Speaker's chair that matters, NOT the ideological 'correctness' of the junior reps....
Link Posted: 11/1/2009 3:01:42 PM EST

Originally Posted By GonzoAR15-1:
Originally Posted By OFFascist:
http://news.yahoo.com/s/ap/us_ny_special_election

Looks like they dont want any third party ruining the two party system.


Or she was an Arlen Sepctor / Jeffords / Snowe / Collins RINO Trojan Horse in the first place JUST LIKE all of use have been saying.


Those are some mighty big balls you have their.

How dare you make sense. Lock up the dog, their coming!!!!!




Link Posted: 11/1/2009 3:02:35 PM EST

Originally Posted By Strykewolf:
Originally Posted By Dave_A:

Originally Posted By GonzoAR15-1:
Originally Posted By fishngrits:

Originally Posted By PantherArms762:
Originally Posted By staringback05:
didnt the NRA back this woman?

And Newt apparently.

Dickheads like Newt Gingrich are the enemy within the Republican party.



I'm tired of hearing about the "big tent."

You can have a variety of policy ideas to get to a particular ENDS, but unless the END you seek is actually conservative, then get the fuck out. Voters can vote for Democrats if they want statist, socialist, rights diminishing nonsense.

Republicans may have different approaches, but they should at least believe in smaller government, more personal freedom, reduction of federal hegemony, empowerment of the states and local governments, and evaluation at every decision point whether the government should get involved or if treating the people with benign neglect is actually more compatible with living in a free country.

The national organization should not bat an eye at throwing a liberal RINO the fuck out of the party. Snowe, Collins, etc., should not get a fucking DIME of contribution money. They do not just have different ideas on how to "get there,' their destination is wholly incompatible with what the party is about.

And what if the GOP *NEEDS* those people to get Reid & Pelosi out of their chairs?

While the RINOs may be a pain in the ass now, with the GOP in the minority...

Giving those seats to the Ds simply insures a longer time in the minority...

Who cares how hard the 'ideologically pure' yell, if they are powerless to do anything else?


Perhaps the Republican party needs to have a epiphany, Dave.

They would do well to follow the strategy the Dems used to kick them out of power:

Run liberal Republicans in liberal areas...

Run conservatives in the rest...

Kind of like how we got all these 'blue dog' Dems in Congress - they may not help the Dems move policy along, but they DO put a Dem leadership in control....

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