Drive or fly with 10 NFA weapons?

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Posted: 7/19/2010 1:15:13 PM EDT

Driving is 865 miles

I don't really want to drive but letting ten NFA weapons out of my sight like that scares the hell out of me.

Posted: 7/19/2010 1:19:59 PM EDT

[#1]

I'd drive and be certain to pack them in & out of the motel. Also, when you stop to eat, be sure to park where you can see your vehicle or just eat at drive thrus.

Posted: 7/19/2010 1:20:41 PM EDT

[#2]

I don't have NFA weapons so I don't know the rules for sure but don't they have to remain in your immediate position and with papers once out of your residence?

I'd say drive.

Posted: 7/19/2010 1:20:45 PM EDT

[#3]

charter a plane.

Posted: 7/19/2010 1:20:58 PM EDT

[#4]

Drive. I can't imagine what the checked baggage fee would be on that much stuff.

I used to love to fly. Anymore I'd rather walk.

Posted: 7/19/2010 1:21:27 PM EDT

[#5]

Driving is more reliable that you'd get to keep your own goods.

Posted: 7/19/2010 1:22:14 PM EDT

[#6]

Leave them at home in the safe.

Posted: 7/19/2010 1:22:17 PM EDT

[#7]

Drive unless clinically insane and think the ATF is fun at parties.

Posted: 7/19/2010 1:22:27 PM EDT

[#8]

I can't believe you even have to ask this question?

Posted: 7/19/2010 1:23:58 PM EDT

[#9]

Quoted:

Drive unless clinically insane and think the ATF is fun at parties.

I'd change clinically to completely but otherwise ^ this.

Posted: 7/19/2010 1:24:58 PM EDT

[#10]

I wouldn't fly with 10 rifles period, much less ATF bait goodies

Posted: 7/19/2010 1:25:25 PM EDT

[#11]

Why do you need to take that much stuff? Where are you going? I would leave some of it home if it is for an event but even then I would be tempted to drive as I would not want to risk my $$$ transferable NFA.

You could also consider shipping them but man shipping and insurance is very expensive too.

Stay home and shoot in the back yard!

Makes me appreciate the LL and DIAS a whole lot more as those I could carry onto a plane and let the AR-15 ride in luggage. Can't do that with a RR, or lots of other systems.

Posted: 7/19/2010 1:28:10 PM EDT

[#12]

Quoted:

I'd drive and be certain to pack them in & out of the motel. Also, when you stop to eat, be sure to park where you can see your vehicle or just eat at drive thrus.

This, except I'd drive straight through and not even stop at a motel. I've driven that far alone in one sitting several times over the past few years. A driving partner might be nice, but wouldn't be necessary. YMMV.

Posted: 7/19/2010 1:31:09 PM EDT

[#13]

Quoted:

Quoted:
I'd drive and be certain to pack them in & out of the motel. Also, when you stop to eat, be sure to park where you can see your vehicle or just eat at drive thrus.

This, except I'd drive straight through and not even stop at a motel. I've driven that far alone in one sitting several times over the past few years. A driving partner might be nice, but wouldn't be necessary. YMMV.

Good point, after a local gun show last year (perhaps it was more like 2-years now) one of the dealers took their truck with a trailer (I think) to a fancy resturaunt for diner. Someone cut into the trailer or truck and stole dozens of NFA weapons while they ate! I don't remember the specifics or if they ever recovered any of them but descrete transport is import but so is damn secure transport.

Posted: 7/19/2010 1:31:41 PM EDT

[#14]

What happens if you get stopped by JBTs in a NFA unfriendly zone?

Posted: 7/19/2010 1:35:19 PM EDT

[#15]

I've flown with a handgun, suppressor, conversion kit, and ammo, but if I were transporting 10 items I'd definitely drive. Can't keep track of all that crap. As others have said, bring them in the hotel with you if you stop and when eating in a restaurant keep the vehicle in sight at all times.

Posted: 7/19/2010 1:36:26 PM EDT

[#16]

That's a long days drive or two easy ones.

I'd drive it in two. Not counting time off work but with a cheap motel I bet I'd even save money over flying.

Posted: 7/19/2010 1:36:58 PM EDT

[#17]

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What happens if you get stopped by JBTs in a NFA unfriendly zone?

Nothing. They should be locked, unloaded, and out of sight, and any arfcommer worth his salt knows not to consent to a search. Furthermore, if stored in the manner I described, and if the items are legal in the origin and destination state, FOPA will protect the driver.

Posted: 7/19/2010 1:37:08 PM EDT

[#18]

Quoted:
What happens if you get stopped by JBTs in a NFA unfriendly zone?

Thats what form 5320.20 is for.

Posted: 7/19/2010 1:37:33 PM EDT

[#19]

Quoted:

Quoted:
I'd drive and be certain to pack them in & out of the motel. Also, when you stop to eat, be sure to park where you can see your vehicle or just eat at drive thrus.

This, except I'd drive straight through and not even stop at a motel. I've driven that far alone in one sitting several times over the past few years. A driving partner might be nice, but wouldn't be necessary. YMMV.

Good point, after a local gun show last year (perhaps it was more like 2-years now) one of the dealers took their truck with a trailer (I think) to a fancy resturaunt for diner. Someone cut into the trailer or truck and stole dozens of NFA weapons while they ate! I don't remember the specifics or if they ever recovered any of them but descrete transport is import but so is damn secure transport.

It was after the gunshow in King of Prussia. They were eating at Kildares which isn't anything special. Apparently some of the guns were recovered by the ATF later on in Philly. Someone had been keeping their eye on that trailer.

Posted: 7/19/2010 1:38:30 PM EDT

[#20]

sounds like a 13 hour drive, or 6 hour door to door plane trip.

Deal with truckers or the TSA? No question I would drive, and make sure my 5320s are in good order.

If you have to ask that question, you shouldn't own NFA stuff!

Posted: 7/19/2010 1:38:43 PM EDT

[#21]

DRIVE and i would do it in one shot. leave 0400. 800 miles could be done no problem.

i did 1575 to Texas, it was 27 hours straight thru.....

Posted: 7/19/2010 1:41:28 PM EDT

[#22]

Quoted:

What happens if you get stopped by JBTs in a NFA unfriendly zone?

There's a BATFE Form that says Such & Such is going through State Lines and has Our Permission to do so.

I Can't remember its Number.

Posted: 7/19/2010 1:42:59 PM EDT

[#23]

Quoted:

Why do you need to take that much stuff? Where are you going? I would leave some of it home if it is for an event but even then I would be tempted to drive as I would not want to risk my $$$ transferable NFA.

You could also consider shipping them but man shipping and insurance is very expensive too.

Stay home and shoot in the back yard!

Makes me appreciate the LL and DIAS a whole lot more as those I could carry onto a plane and let the AR-15 ride in luggage. Can't do that with a RR, or lots of other systems.

These are the AOW/SBS's of our new line.

The photographer is in Tenn.

He's doing the Photo shoot for our catalog and Web site.

He's a member here and a pretty famous firearm photog too.

I can travel anywhere with them, it just makes me nervous having them out of my control.

Posted: 7/19/2010 1:43:49 PM EDT

[#24]

Quoted:

Quoted:

What happens if you get stopped by JBTs in a NFA unfriendly zone?

Thats what form 5320.20 is for.

I don't file the 5320.29

I'm an 07 FFL/SOT

Posted: 7/19/2010 1:44:27 PM EDT

[#25]

The last time I flew was, IMO, a PITA, and I didn't have any firearms. I can't imagine what it's like to travel on a plane with firearms, let alone NFA stuff.

last car ride(Chicago to St. Louis)>last plane ride from Chicago to Minneapolis.

Posted: 7/19/2010 1:44:47 PM EDT

[#26]

I can't imagine flying with all that. The people at the airline are going to shit their pants then charge you gazillion dollars. I'd drive it, good point about theft risk. Might be worth bring someone armed for back up and to split the driving.

Aren't you in eastern PA? Straight through to Tenn would suck, but is doable. I drove from west of Nashville to nothern NY, then another two hours to the airport and back to return the rental. It sucked though

Edward Avila (not EdSr, the son) could take advertising quality photographs. I have seen some of his work and he takes professional quality photos.

Posted: 7/19/2010 1:46:30 PM EDT

[#27]

Just put them in your carry on.

Posted: 7/19/2010 1:46:55 PM EDT

[#28]

Can you give us an idea what your "10 NFA items" are?

10 HK91s or 10 .22 suppressors? The logistical requirements are rather different....

Posted: 7/19/2010 1:47:04 PM EDT

[#29]

Quoted:

... Might be worth bring someone armed for back up and to split the driving.

Maybe an off-duty LEO friend who can carry everywhere you'll be driving through without issues?

ETA: N/M, sounds below like y'all are GTG, CCW-wise. Good deal.

Posted: 7/19/2010 1:47:54 PM EDT

[#30]

Quoted:

I can't imagine flying with all that. The people at the airline are going to shit their pants then charge you gazillion dollars. I'd drive it, good point about theft risk. Might be worth bring someone armed for back up and to split the driving.

Yeah my Son will be going with me and we'll both be armed.

Oleg Volk is doing our shoot/pics

It looks like the route is CCW compatible with our Pa CCW's

Posted: 7/19/2010 1:49:13 PM EDT

[#31]

Why not just fly the photographer to you?

Posted: 7/19/2010 1:49:16 PM EDT

[#32]

Quoted:

Quoted:

I can't imagine flying with all that. The people at the airline are going to shit their pants then charge you gazillion dollars. I'd drive it, good point about theft risk. Might be worth bring someone armed for back up and to split the driving.

Yeah my Son will be going with me and we'll both be armed.

Oleg Volk is doing our shoot/pics

It looks like the route is CCW compatible with our Pa CCW's

Tennessee will probably recognize your Pa permit. I talked to them and ended up legally carrying on my NY permit there for ages.

Posted: 7/19/2010 1:49:32 PM EDT

[#33]

Quoted:

Why not just fly the photographer to you?

What he said

Posted: 7/19/2010 1:50:58 PM EDT

[#34]

Quoted:

Quoted:
Why do you need to take that much stuff? Where are you going? I would leave some of it home if it is for an event but even then I would be tempted to drive as I would not want to risk my $$$ transferable NFA.

You could also consider shipping them but man shipping and insurance is very expensive too.

Stay home and shoot in the back yard!

Makes me appreciate the LL and DIAS a whole lot more as those I could carry onto a plane and let the AR-15 ride in luggage. Can't do that with a RR, or lots of other systems.

These are the AOW/SBS's of our new line.
The photographer is in Tenn.
He's doing the Photo shoot for our catalog and Web site.
He's a member here and a pretty famous firearm photog too.

Why not just fly the photographer to the weapons? Had to ask...
I can travel anywhere with them, it just makes me nervous having them out of my control.

Posted: 7/19/2010 1:52:50 PM EDT

[#35]

Quoted:

Quoted:

Why do you need to take that much stuff? Where are you going? I would leave some of it home if it is for an event but even then I would be tempted to drive as I would not want to risk my $$$ transferable NFA.

You could also consider shipping them but man shipping and insurance is very expensive too.

Stay home and shoot in the back yard!

Makes me appreciate the LL and DIAS a whole lot more as those I could carry onto a plane and let the AR-15 ride in luggage. Can't do that with a RR, or lots of other systems.

These are the AOW/SBS's of our new line.

The photographer is in Tenn.

He's doing the Photo shoot for our catalog and Web site.

He's a member here and a pretty famous firearm photog too.

I can travel anywhere with them, it just makes me nervous having them out of my control.

Wouldn't it be cheaper/faster to fly Oleg to you with his gear, than trying to drag 10 NFA items over to him?

Posted: 7/19/2010 1:53:22 PM EDT

[#36]

Drive....Fuck the TSA and FBHO

Posted: 7/19/2010 1:56:34 PM EDT

[#37]

Quoted:

Quoted:
Why do you need to take that much stuff? Where are you going? I would leave some of it home if it is for an event but even then I would be tempted to drive as I would not want to risk my $$$ transferable NFA.

You could also consider shipping them but man shipping and insurance is very expensive too.

Stay home and shoot in the back yard!

Makes me appreciate the LL and DIAS a whole lot more as those I could carry onto a plane and let the AR-15 ride in luggage. Can't do that with a RR, or lots of other systems.

These are the AOW/SBS's of our new line.
The photographer is in Tenn.
He's doing the Photo shoot for our catalog and Web site.
He's a member here and a pretty famous firearm photog too.
I can travel anywhere with them, it just makes me nervous having them out of my control.

Wouldn't it be cheaper/faster to fly Oleg to you with his gear, than trying to drag 10 NFA items over to him?

this

Posted: 7/19/2010 1:57:53 PM EDT

[#38]

drive and stop by Mexico along the way

Posted: 7/19/2010 2:00:09 PM EDT

[#39]

drive, 800 miles isn't too far of a drive, I would rather drive 800 miles than put up with the TSA retards.

Posted: 7/19/2010 2:00:13 PM EDT

[#40]

Quoted:

Quoted:
Why not just fly the photographer to you?

What he said

Submitting pro level camera gear to airline baggage handling is almost as scary as checking guns.

Posted: 7/19/2010 2:00:43 PM EDT

[#41]

Quoted:

Quoted:
Why not just fly the photographer to you?

What he said

what they said. and what the next guy will say.

ar-jedi

Posted: 7/19/2010 2:03:29 PM EDT

[#42]

Quoted:

Submitting pro level camera gear to airline baggage handling is almost as scary as checking guns.

confirmed

Photo gear, even pro level, is not nearly as durable as firearms.

Then, you have to ship his lights, arrange for enough space, find local models... It's not as cut and dry as you might think.

Posted: 7/19/2010 2:04:03 PM EDT

[#43]

Quoted:

charter a plane.

He might have to sell one.

Posted: 7/19/2010 2:06:05 PM EDT

[#44]

I'd drive 8 thousand miles with that much ordnance in my possession rather than fly...

Posted: 7/19/2010 2:08:36 PM EDT

[#45]

Shit, I'd probably drive 800 miles instead of fly without a small arsenal. There's no way in hell NFA anything is going into the hands of the retard baggage handlers by way of checked luggage

Posted: 7/19/2010 2:09:05 PM EDT

[#46]

Quoted:

Quoted:

Why not just fly the photographer to you?

What he said

Submitting pro level camera gear to airline baggage handling is almost as scary as checking guns.

I know someone who does bikini shoots all over the place. There must be some way to safely transport the gear

Posted: 7/19/2010 2:10:08 PM EDT

[#47]

Quoted:

Quoted:
Submitting pro level camera gear to airline baggage handling is almost as scary as checking guns.

confirmed
Photo gear, even pro level, is not nearly as durable as firearms.
Then, you have to ship his lights, arrange for enough space, find local models... It's not as cut and dry as you might think.

stolen or lost photo equipment? call insurance company.
stolen or lost NFA weapons, times ten items? feature story on 5 o'clock news, with an update at 6, and then video at 11 of a reporter interviewing your neighbors about what you were like.

ar-jedi