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Posted: 9/16/2004 1:36:01 PM EST
Does the military do its own physicals? And what laws apply to this?
Link Posted: 9/16/2004 1:36:42 PM EST
Yes.
Link Posted: 9/16/2004 1:36:55 PM EST

Originally Posted By olyarms:
Does the military do its own physicals? And what laws apply to this?



Of course.
Link Posted: 9/16/2004 1:40:27 PM EST
So lets say you have had pins in your arm, does that mean your not going to be drafted? Or you have a mental disorder such as bipolar.

Having a debate with some one and feel there is no get out of war free card if a draft happens. He thinks other wise. Any actual laws I can show?
Link Posted: 9/16/2004 1:40:30 PM EST
There currently is no draft in the US, so I'm not sure what laws would apply to it.



Link Posted: 9/16/2004 1:41:00 PM EST

Originally Posted By olyarms:
Does the military do its own physicals? And what laws apply to this?



There is no draft and there won't be one in the forseeable future.
Link Posted: 9/16/2004 1:42:52 PM EST

Originally Posted By olyarms:
So lets say you have had pins in your arm, does that mean your not going to be drafted? Or you have a mental disorder such as bipolar.

Having a debate with some one and feel there is no get out of war free card if a draft happens. He thinks other wise. Any actual laws I can show?



Yes, and yes.

Hell all you have to do is say "I am a practicing homosexual"
Link Posted: 9/16/2004 1:43:21 PM EST

Originally Posted By olyarms:
So lets say you have had pins in your arm, does that mean your not going to be drafted? Or you have a mental disorder such as bipolar.

Having a debate with some one and feel there is no get out of war free card if a draft happens. He thinks other wise. Any actual laws I can show?



I don't think the military is going to take a mental patient or someone with pins in their arm for christ's sake. Pretty desperate even in a draft, don't you think?
Link Posted: 9/16/2004 1:44:13 PM EST
Why don't you ask about the countries that have a draft? I'm sue all have different standards.

Also on that absolutely abysmally small chance that one gets re-instated here. I would expect that local physicians would do the physicals and anybody that got disqualified would then go to a military facility for confirmation. If we were in a conflict that required a draft most military MDs would be in theatre or in forward facilities not in the states. Occam's Razor young man Occams Razor. One might also assume that some conditions that were disqualifying in the past wouldn't be now. There are a lot of rear echelon tasks that people underqualified for infantry physical requirements can perform.

There's no reason somebody with a "bad back" can't be a paper pusher.
Link Posted: 9/16/2004 1:44:58 PM EST

Originally Posted By olyarms:
So lets say you have had pins in your arm, does that mean your not going to be drafted? Or you have a mental disorder such as bipolar.

Having a debate with some one and feel there is no get out of war free card if a draft happens. He thinks other wise. Any actual laws I can show?

Waste of fucking time, if you are even bothering to discuss a FUTURE draft. Stupid children.
Link Posted: 9/16/2004 1:45:07 PM EST
Just ask a recruiter for the disqualifying fitness requirements. Look on line for recruiting web site for info.

The current state of the draft in the US consists of active regional boards and registration of 18 year old males in case the need arises.
Link Posted: 9/16/2004 1:47:27 PM EST

Originally Posted By PaDanby:
Why don't you ask about the countries that have a draft? I'm sue all have different standards.



In Denmark - the military had their own physical and intelligence tests they put you through.


If someone really wanted to be a weasel and get out of the draft it was pretty easy. Luckily, most people that don't really want to be drafted, are still basically HONEST people, and will go if they have to.

Quite frankly, people weaseling out of the draft doesn't bother me too much - because I wouldn't want dishonest and unethical weasels next to me anyway.
Link Posted: 9/16/2004 1:50:35 PM EST
I just got a call from a DI. He said he had one of my patients in his platoon. Now, she weighs 85lbs to 90lbs soaking wet. I guess thats the minimum. He was fishing for an excuse to give her a medical discharge. He wanted all my records so their docs could go over it. I dont think everyone is cut out to be a grunt. She barely weighs more then her gear and weapon. What is she going to do is one of her guys or gals gets hit and she has to carry them out? This PC thing is ridiculous.
Link Posted: 9/16/2004 1:50:56 PM EST
My dad, who was in the Army during WW2, once told me of a guy that said everything twice.

[officer] where you going soldier? [guy] I'm going to the mess hall sir, I'm going to the mess hall sir.

The guy got a section 8 after a couple months.
Link Posted: 9/16/2004 1:53:33 PM EST

Originally Posted By rayra:

Originally Posted By olyarms:
So lets say you have had pins in your arm, does that mean your not going to be drafted? Or you have a mental disorder such as bipolar.

Having a debate with some one and feel there is no get out of war free card if a draft happens. He thinks other wise. Any actual laws I can show?

Waste of fucking time, if you are even bothering to discuss a FUTURE draft. Stupid children.



http://www.defendamerica.mil had a post for draft board volunteers not the far back. I can't find it now but we will no doubt have a draft in 2-3 years I would be willing to bet. Maybe not Vietnam era but some thing.

Why else would you need people for a draft board?
Link Posted: 9/16/2004 1:53:53 PM EST
.Back when there was a draft, the MD at the draft board ad to certify potential draftees as non-draftable
Link Posted: 9/16/2004 1:54:24 PM EST

Originally Posted By rayra:
Waste of fucking time, if you are even bothering to discuss a FUTURE draft. Stupid children.



+1. If someone is that scared of serving when called, then they just need buck up and admit their cowardice. Wait a minute, what am I thinking? That would take balls in the first place! If you're too chickenshit to take up arms and defend your country then you have no right to own a firearm. I went to basic with a guy who had only one lung who later went airborne. There is NO excuse unless you were turned down.
Link Posted: 9/16/2004 1:57:49 PM EST
You can get out of Military service by just saying your a Homo, and you can get a pass for just about anything if you really want to serve.
Link Posted: 9/16/2004 2:00:42 PM EST
Yes, but I'd imagine that alot of current disqualifiers would no longer apply...
Family Example:
My grandfather had flat feet. Joined in WWII and sent to the infantry.
I have flat feet. I had to get a specialist evaluation and my app for Navy is still in limbo over that, (medically insignificant, according to my regular doc) scoliosis, and back acne (wth could that have to do with ANYTHING???)

I heard other people tell me how their fathers dodged the draft by failing the physical, chugging soy sauce the night before to show high BP was one example I remember (my own father was too young for Vietnam, and he was never clear on what he would have done)
Link Posted: 9/16/2004 2:03:34 PM EST
[Last Edit: 9/16/2004 2:04:02 PM EST by MMcCall]

Originally Posted By painrx:

+1. If someone is that scared of serving when called, then they just need buck up and admit their cowardice. Wait a minute, what am I thinking? That would take balls in the first place! If you're too chickenshit to take up arms and defend your country then you have no right to own a firearm. I went to basic with a guy who had only one lung who later went airborne. There is NO excuse unless you were turned down.



It's hard to draw that line in the new age of pre-emptive warfare.
Link Posted: 9/16/2004 2:04:59 PM EST
Got a waiver for flat feet at MEPS - running never bothered me.
Got two waivers for scoliosis - One at MEPS and one by NAMI at Pensacola - Flew 16 years and it never bothered me.



Originally Posted By TheLastBoyScout:
I have flat feet. I had to get a specialist evaluation and my app for Navy is still in limbo over that, (medically insignificant, according to my regular doc) scoliosis, and back acne (wth could that have to do with ANYTHING???)

Link Posted: 9/16/2004 2:07:56 PM EST

Originally Posted By MMcCall:

It's hard to draw that line in the new age of pre-emptive warfare.



You so right, it's much better to let them attack us first and kill hundreds if not thousands of Americans first.
Link Posted: 9/16/2004 2:09:25 PM EST

Originally Posted By TheLastBoyScout:
...and back acne (wth could that have to do with ANYTHING???)




I seriously hope this is not a disqualifier. I get back acne even at 25. I have no intention to volunteer at this time, but should the call ever go out as it did in the days of WWII I'm heading down to my Marine Recruiting station straight away.

If the draft is ever reinstated that means our nation is in serious need. I wouldn't dishonor myself or my country in such a time.

OT: Don't try to fake a mental disorder to get out of military service. You'll disqualify yourself for firearms ownership.
Link Posted: 9/16/2004 2:09:42 PM EST
Link Posted: 9/16/2004 2:09:55 PM EST

Originally Posted By MMcCall:

Originally Posted By painrx:

+1. If someone is that scared of serving when called, then they just need buck up and admit their cowardice. Wait a minute, what am I thinking? That would take balls in the first place! If you're too chickenshit to take up arms and defend your country then you have no right to own a firearm. I went to basic with a guy who had only one lung who later went airborne. There is NO excuse unless you were turned down.



It's hard to draw that line in the new age of pre-emptive warfare.



Maybe if you're a mindless liberal. The best defense is a good offense. GWB knows how to do it right with his "it's better to fight in their territory, not ours" policy.
Link Posted: 9/16/2004 2:11:09 PM EST

Originally Posted By olyarms:
Does the military do its own physicals? And what laws apply to this?



Why? Are you looking for a way to dodge?
Link Posted: 9/16/2004 2:11:14 PM EST

Originally Posted By STLRN:

Originally Posted By MMcCall:

It's hard to draw that line in the new age of pre-emptive warfare.



You so right, it's much better to let them attack us first and kill hundreds if not thousands of Americans first.



I like how you think
Link Posted: 9/16/2004 2:16:31 PM EST

Originally Posted By Lightning_P38:
The biggest problem getting a draft started would be the fact that the Pentagon doen't want draftees. Why would they, they are meeting thier recruiting goals, and retention goals. Why in the devil would a General want to staff a division with troops who ahd to be forced into uniform when there are plenty of young people who are eager to wear the uniform.




Very true, you don't want any half ass soliders, nor uneducated ones.

And it sucks to be medically disqualified from serving your country, I know. I would give anything to not have the health issues that I do. My vision is 20/70 in my left eye due to untreted amblyopia as a child and both eyes are infected with herpes keratitis from a bad case of chicken pox that I got. The keratitis never goes away and is what keeps Uncle Sugar from taking me.


It's a damn shame that able bodied people would back out of military service. I would give up my life now to be able to become a Green Beret, or even a basic infantryman.
Link Posted: 9/16/2004 2:32:17 PM EST
Link Posted: 9/16/2004 2:47:37 PM EST

Originally Posted By STLRN:

Originally Posted By MMcCall:

It's hard to draw that line in the new age of pre-emptive warfare.



You so right, it's much better to let them attack us first and kill hundreds if not thousands of Americans first.



Not at all.. all I'm saying is that if you joined the Army in 1944, you knew that the US was in clear and present danger against a well-defined foe. It's a lot more murky in 2004, and I think that factor will hinder some people from serving, if they think we're going to be running willy-nilly busting random country's asses.

If you'd read my previous thread about being DQ'ed from the Marines at MEPS for a medical reason, you'd know which side I come down on.
Link Posted: 9/16/2004 2:57:38 PM EST
[Last Edit: 9/16/2004 3:00:55 PM EST by Lightning_P38]
Link Posted: 9/16/2004 3:00:56 PM EST

Originally Posted By olyarms:
Does the military do its own physicals? And what laws apply to this?



So, you are going to be DRAFTED brother! Welcome to the United States Army! See you at 0430!
Link Posted: 9/16/2004 3:00:58 PM EST

Originally Posted By Lightning_P38:
I disagree, prior to Pearl Harbor the average American was highly against the war, the average Joe felt that Germany and Japan were no threat to the US so we had no business getting involved. Of course this is long forgotten and buried under the patriotic monster that was the civilian population of our country during WWII. In 1944 it was easy to support the war, it was believed that the war was no concerne of our in 1940, Our government were critisized abrooad and at home for begining a military build up, and chosing sides when we did, a single strike on a US interest and the entire nation changed thier mind.



Also despite the patriotic fervor that followed Pearl Harbor the majority of those that served in WWII, were drafted.
Link Posted: 9/16/2004 3:02:24 PM EST
Link Posted: 9/16/2004 3:04:51 PM EST
Gotta give it up for the neocons here on this board--"There will be no draft in the future".


HELLO!!

Among a hundred other media articles...
The current agenda of the US federal government is to reinstate the draft in order to staff up for a protracted war on "terrorism." Pending legislation in the House and Senate (twin bills S 89 and HR 163) would time the program so the draft could begin at early as Spring 2005 -- conveniently just after the 2004 presidential election!
Link Posted: 9/16/2004 3:09:56 PM EST
Link Posted: 9/16/2004 3:11:19 PM EST
[Last Edit: 9/16/2004 3:14:14 PM EST by corwin1968]


reinstate the draft in order to staff up for a protracted war on "terrorism."



Pretty obvious where they're coming from.
Link Posted: 9/16/2004 3:16:22 PM EST
Link Posted: 9/16/2004 3:22:04 PM EST
I think it is very possible to have a well trained and disciplined fighting organization even if draftees are in that unit. However, in today's world were a large portion of the US think something as innoxious as what happen at Abu Grahb prison were war crimes. I serious doubt that we could because the "mothers of America" would go to their congressmen the first time discipline was imposed on one of their kids.
Link Posted: 9/16/2004 3:24:13 PM EST

Originally Posted By Lightning_P38:
I would also ask you if you have any idea when the lsat action on these pieces of legislation was? I know. These pieces of legislation were writtin and proposed by rabble rousers who were only interested in stirring up fear and resentment. Of course I find it interesting that you chose to post a link to a foriegn site when there are plenty of references on US sites discussing this legislation that has been shitcanned for a long time.




As I said on the hyperlink--'among a 100 other sites'. This link was the first one that popped up on google.

Take astep back and think of why they want a draft:

Bush: "This war on terroism is likely to last 100 yrs or more"

You already know that they are ramping up for a take over of Iran? They are also ramping up domestic matrix programs and we are becoming a police state at a rapid intensity.
Link Posted: 9/16/2004 3:27:07 PM EST
If your dick is broke, you could move to Canada...........
Link Posted: 9/16/2004 3:28:23 PM EST
Link Posted: 9/16/2004 3:28:59 PM EST

Originally Posted By olyarms:

Originally Posted By rayra:

Originally Posted By olyarms:
So lets say you have had pins in your arm, does that mean your not going to be drafted? Or you have a mental disorder such as bipolar.

Having a debate with some one and feel there is no get out of war free card if a draft happens. He thinks other wise. Any actual laws I can show?

Waste of fucking time, if you are even bothering to discuss a FUTURE draft. Stupid children.



http://www.defendamerica.mil had a post for draft board volunteers not the far back. I can't find it now but we will no doubt have a draft in 2-3 years I would be willing to bet. Maybe not Vietnam era but some thing.

Why else would you need people for a draft board?

Want to buy some tinfoil with that? Maybe a bridge, too?

The Draft ended in 1972. There has been a Draft Board ever since, and since 1979 in its current incarnation. It is there as a fallback, a precaution. It has FUCK-ALL to do with an impending Draft. If you even begin to believe that there is one coming, you are ignorant, paranoid, or BOTH. And whichever, almost certainly reading too many insane LLL forums / boards / posts.

Selective Service Registration on the 18th birthday makes ALL pussies piss themselves. Add plenty of fear-mongering publications by the political Left and you have the misinformation you have so obviously swallowed whole.

Again - Stupid Children.
Link Posted: 9/16/2004 3:29:15 PM EST

Originally Posted By STLRN:
I think it is very possible to have a well trained and disciplined fighting organization even if draftees are in that unit. However, in today's world were a large portion of the US think something as innoxious as what happen at Abu Grahb prison were war crimes. I serious doubt that we could because the "mothers of America" would go to their congressmen the first time discipline was imposed on one of their kids.



innoxious, Innoxious, INNOXIOUS!!

Are you kidding me? Murder, sodomy, rape, torture=innoxious. You gotta be out of your freaking mind!!

If you don't believe that these things happened and are actually worse than reported, then you should search and read the Army's own report on the matter.

It is PURE EVIL what went on over there.

Link Posted: 9/16/2004 3:30:26 PM EST
[Last Edit: 9/16/2004 3:31:39 PM EST by MMcCall]

Originally Posted By Lightning_P38:

I disagree, prior to Pearl Harbor the average American was highly against the war, the average Joe felt that Germany and Japan were no threat to the US so we had no business getting involved. Of course this is long forgotten and buried under the patriotic monster that was the civilian population of our country during WWII. In 1944 it was easy to support the war, it was believed that the war was no concerne of our in 1940, Our government were critisized abrooad and at home for begining a military build up, and chosing sides when we did, a single strike on a US interest and the entire nation changed thier mind.

edited to add: I would like to clarify that I disagree that service during and our nations involvement in WWII were not quite as clear prior to being attatcked even then, ans that there has always been an element in the US who disagree on going to war no matter what the reasons.



Right, but look at what you wrote compared to my point. Back then we were fighting countries, now we're fighting ideoligies.. that nebulous factor is sure to turn off some of the less intellectually inclined people of my generation.
Link Posted: 9/16/2004 3:32:18 PM EST
I applied to the local draft board.
Link Posted: 9/16/2004 3:32:51 PM EST

Originally Posted By MMcCall:

Originally Posted By painrx:

+1. If someone is that scared of serving when called, then they just need buck up and admit their cowardice. Wait a minute, what am I thinking? That would take balls in the first place! If you're too chickenshit to take up arms and defend your country then you have no right to own a firearm. I went to basic with a guy who had only one lung who later went airborne. There is NO excuse unless you were turned down.



It's hard to draw that line in the new age of pre-emptive warfare.

The fuck it is.
What is so hard to understand about regimes that Preach 'Death to America', fund and cater to terrorist orgs, and cooperate with other regimes and groups in the profligation of WMDs? We will not buy them off, we will not appease them, and for the Al Queda fanatics there is NO possibility of negotiation. What else is there to do, but kill them in their beds??.
Kerry et al can take their plan to buy more ambulances, fund more Firemen and PD, to treat Terrorism as Police Matter AFTER we are attacked, and shove it up their asses.
Link Posted: 9/16/2004 3:33:00 PM EST
[Last Edit: 9/16/2004 3:36:14 PM EST by Lightning_P38]
Link Posted: 9/16/2004 3:33:26 PM EST

Originally Posted By Lightning_P38:
I would also ask you if you have any idea when the lsat action on these pieces of legislation was? I know. These pieces of legislation were writtin and proposed by rabble rousers who were only interested in stirring up fear and resentment. Of course I find it interesting that you chose to post a link to a foriegn site when there are plenty of references on US sites discussing this legislation that has been shitcanned for a long time.



www.congress.gov/cgi-bin/bdquery/z?d108:SN00089:
Link Posted: 9/16/2004 3:35:03 PM EST

Originally Posted By JHill:
innoxious, Innoxious, INNOXIOUS!!

Are you kidding me? Murder, sodomy, rape, torture=innoxious. You gotta be out of your freaking mind!!

If you don't believe that these things happened and are actually worse than reported, then you should search and read the Army's own report on the matter.

It is PURE EVIL what went on over there.




Well since I know how interrogations are typically handled, why everyone in that portion of the prison was there and the fact that info gained there by those means that you object to actually saved Americans lives. I don't have a problem with it. Than again I have seen the face of war many times before and I don't value the lives of the enemy of my nation. Like I have said before, I don't care if I have to kill 1000 or more of them if it save 1 American I am more than willing to do that.
Link Posted: 9/16/2004 3:35:13 PM EST

Originally Posted By rayra:

Originally Posted By MMcCall:

Originally Posted By painrx:

+1. If someone is that scared of serving when called, then they just need buck up and admit their cowardice. Wait a minute, what am I thinking? That would take balls in the first place! If you're too chickenshit to take up arms and defend your country then you have no right to own a firearm. I went to basic with a guy who had only one lung who later went airborne. There is NO excuse unless you were turned down.



It's hard to draw that line in the new age of pre-emptive warfare.

The fuck it is.
What is so hard to understand about regimes that Preach 'Death to America', fund and cater to terrorist orgs, and cooperate with other regimes and groups in the profligation of WMDs? We will not buy them off, we will not appease them, and for the Al Queda fanatics there is NO possibility of negotiation. What else is there to do, but kill them in their beds??.
Kerry et al can take their plan to buy more ambulances, fund more Firemen and PD, to treat Terrorism as Police Matter AFTER we are attacked, and shove it up their asses.



Rayra when did you serve?
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