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Posted: 1/12/2006 3:01:19 PM EDT
Sounds like a former FFL selling off his old inventory maybe, could be from a his own private collection though. Are FTF sales still legal in MA ?


mfile.akamai.com/12912/wmv/vod.ibsys.com/2006/0112/6035666.200k.asx



Dozens Of Weapons Confiscated In Raid
ATF Says Feinberg Selling Guns Without License

BOSTON -- Federal agents stormed a home on Farm Lane in Norton, Mass., in a gun raid Thursday.

NewsCenter 5's Jack Harper reported that the home's owner, Richard Feinberg, was arrested and armloads of guns were confiscated.

Alcohol, Tobacco, Firearms and Explosives agents said Feinberg, 56, was selling guns out of his home without a license.

"We have taken some firearms into custody, and we are processing those guns right now. We will trace them and find out where they came from and how they got to this location," said Jim McNally, of the ATF.


A federal prosecutor said agents seized 90 weapons from Feinberg's home and garage. Two of the guns are being tested to determine if they are automatic weapons. If they are, Feinberg could face penalties more severe than five years in prison and $250,000 in fines.

"I knew that he sold guns. But I honestly didn't think he was doing anything wrong. We all knew he was selling them. He is a nice guy," neighbor Stephanie Podielsky said.

Feinberg's lawyer told the court his client previously held a license to deal in firearms. Federal agents said even if that was true, recent sales were illegal. A federal magistrate released Feinberg on $50,000 unsecured bond. The judge told him to take out an equity loan on one of his properties to hire a lawyer.

Feinberg will return to federal court on Feb. 13.

Feinberg was ordered to take three handguns he is licensed to keep in his house to the Norton police station.



http://www.thebostonchannel.com/news/6035714/detail.html?rss=bos&psp=news
Link Posted: 1/12/2006 3:16:04 PM EDT
Great... just what MA needs; more examples and finger-pointing to pass even more BS anti-gun laws.
Link Posted: 1/12/2006 3:18:13 PM EDT
Massachusetts can burn along with Cali for all I care.
Link Posted: 1/12/2006 3:18:38 PM EDT
[Last Edit: 1/12/2006 3:23:24 PM EDT by Mauser101]
So, is this a matter of an FFL losing his liscence and selling off his excess inventory or is it a matter of FFL loses liscence and keeps doing business anyway? Hell, it could just be his private collection. I know a few people who would laugh at how small a 90 gun collection is.
Link Posted: 1/12/2006 3:19:26 PM EDT
Hard to come a conclusion based on the near total lack of information in the article.

Could have been selling personal stuff, though.
Link Posted: 1/12/2006 3:20:30 PM EDT
So they're going to "test" them to see if they're fully automatic. A little axle grease here, rub some sand paper there........ Voila!!! An illegal machine gun! Now quick - wash it all out before they see!


-K
Link Posted: 1/12/2006 3:21:27 PM EDT

Originally Posted By nf9648:
Massachusetts can burn along with Cali for all I care.



These are FEDERAL charges, not state charges. Whatever happened with this guy could happen in Texas or Nevada.
Link Posted: 1/12/2006 3:21:33 PM EDT

Two of the guns are being tested to determine if they are automatic weapons.


Wonder how those tests might turn out, hope they videotape it.
Link Posted: 1/12/2006 3:21:38 PM EDT
That one asshole should be horsewhipped for carrying those rifles like an armload of firewood. It'll be be interesting to see whether the guy they arrested was rotating inventory or selling off his private collection, how many sales he made, et c.
Link Posted: 1/12/2006 3:23:31 PM EDT
Serious lack of any information in there. However, 90 firearms? Pfft... we took close to 130 from a convicted felon last year
Link Posted: 1/12/2006 3:25:14 PM EDT
One at a time, the gun owners go down....
Link Posted: 1/12/2006 3:25:51 PM EDT

Originally Posted By nf9648:
Massachusetts can burn along with Cali for all I care.



I know you guys have nicer weather than us, but how are the gun laws in Hawaii BTW?

Let us know when your CCW permit finally gets approved.

Link Posted: 1/12/2006 3:30:32 PM EDT
[Last Edit: 1/12/2006 3:32:18 PM EDT by LoginName]
Looks like the dog running around in the background survived the ordeal.
Link Posted: 1/12/2006 3:36:20 PM EDT

Originally Posted By LoginName:
Looks like the dog running around in the background survived the ordeal.



Yeah, but you should have seen the burning church next door.
Link Posted: 1/12/2006 3:37:01 PM EDT

Originally Posted By Special-K:
So they're going to "test" them to see if they're fully automatic. A little axle grease here, rub some sand paper there........ Voila!!! An illegal machine gun! Now quick - wash it all out before they see!


-K



Yeah OK it's that easy huh?
wanna bet?
Link Posted: 1/12/2006 3:40:29 PM EDT

Originally Posted By FLAL1A:
That one asshole should be horsewhipped for carrying those rifles like an armload of firewood.



That bothers the shit out of me too!

I've seen them dumped in a metal trash can at the PD for storage, they don't give a shit period.
Link Posted: 1/12/2006 3:40:55 PM EDT

Originally Posted By LoginName:
Looks like the dog running around in the background survived the ordeal.



Looks a little traumatized if you ask me.

Link Posted: 1/12/2006 3:41:48 PM EDT
Link Posted: 1/12/2006 3:43:41 PM EDT
The weapons they are testing are probably FAL-style rifles. We had one (FAL clone) that the selector switch would move from safe to fire, then continue to rotate to a thrid position. ATF guys wanted to make sure it wasnt select-fire.
Link Posted: 1/12/2006 3:44:31 PM EDT
[Last Edit: 1/12/2006 3:46:01 PM EDT by bookertbab]
Just because the guns you sell come from your private collection doesn't mean they can't bust you for dealing without a license. The laws are so vauge that no one knows what is considered dealing and what isn't. If the atf gets a bug up its ass for you, your going down. And you may beat the rap but you will never beat the ride.
Link Posted: 1/12/2006 3:47:26 PM EDT
[Last Edit: 1/12/2006 3:49:48 PM EDT by neilfj]
Last I knew, he had an FFL. Shotgun News shows him as having an FFL, but his webpage, www.weareguns.com, hasn't been updated since August 2005. Perhaps he lost/failed to renew his FFL, but in either case, he should have know better.

Link Posted: 1/12/2006 3:48:36 PM EDT

Originally Posted By LANCEMAN:
Sounds like a former FFL selling off his old inventory maybe, could be from a his own private collection though. Are FTF sales still legal in MA ?



FTF guns sales are legal in MA but there is a state imposed 4 gun limit per calendar year unless you have an FFL. The sale also requires the seller to file a form with the state declaring the sale.
Link Posted: 1/12/2006 3:48:51 PM EDT
[Last Edit: 1/12/2006 3:49:12 PM EDT by bookertbab]

Originally Posted By NCPatrolAR:
The weapons they are testing are probably FAL-style rifles. We had one (FAL clone) that the selector switch would move from safe to fire, then continue to rotate to a thrid position. ATF guys wanted to make sure it wasnt select-fire.



Almost all FALs have a full auto selector switchs. All they have to do to check the weapon is open it up and look to see if it is cut for a safty sear. Should take all of 10 seconds to do that.
Link Posted: 1/12/2006 3:51:05 PM EDT

Originally Posted By bookertbab:

Originally Posted By NCPatrolAR:
The weapons they are testing are probably FAL-style rifles. We had one (FAL clone) that the selector switch would move from safe to fire, then continue to rotate to a thrid position. ATF guys wanted to make sure it wasnt select-fire.



Almost all FALs have a full auto selector switchs. All they have to do to check the weapon is open it up and look to see if it is cut for a safty sear. Should take all of 10 seconds to do that.

- If they know what to tlook for. Hell, I wouldnt know what to look for if I opened one up.
Link Posted: 1/12/2006 3:51:34 PM EDT
Seems to me that earlier today we had another thread on a similiar subject. Interestingly, the thread was locked.
Link Posted: 1/12/2006 3:52:47 PM EDT

Originally Posted By NCPatrolAR:

Originally Posted By bookertbab:

Originally Posted By NCPatrolAR:
The weapons they are testing are probably FAL-style rifles. We had one (FAL clone) that the selector switch would move from safe to fire, then continue to rotate to a thrid position. ATF guys wanted to make sure it wasnt select-fire.


Almost all FALs have a full auto selector switchs. All they have to do to check the weapon is open it up and look to see if it is cut for a safty sear. Should take all of 10 seconds to do that.

- If they know what to tlook for. Hell, I wouldnt know what to look for if I opened one up.


But then again I don't see you as the type to want to bend over gun owners and fuck them in the shitpipe, either.
Link Posted: 1/12/2006 3:54:53 PM EDT

Originally Posted By Wobblin-Goblin:

Originally Posted By NCPatrolAR:

Originally Posted By bookertbab:

Originally Posted By NCPatrolAR:
The weapons they are testing are probably FAL-style rifles. We had one (FAL clone) that the selector switch would move from safe to fire, then continue to rotate to a thrid position. ATF guys wanted to make sure it wasnt select-fire.


Almost all FALs have a full auto selector switchs. All they have to do to check the weapon is open it up and look to see if it is cut for a safty sear. Should take all of 10 seconds to do that.

- If they know what to tlook for. Hell, I wouldnt know what to look for if I opened one up.


But then again I don't see you as the type to want to bend over gun owners and fuck them in the shitpipe, either.

- Same can be said for the ATF guys I've worked with.

BTW, thanks
Link Posted: 1/12/2006 4:02:58 PM EDT

Originally Posted By neilfj:
Last I knew, he had an FFL. Shotgun News shows him as having an FFL, but his webpage, www.weareguns.com, hasn't been updated since August 2005. Perhaps he lost/failed to renew his FFL, but in either case, he should have know better.




Never mind the firearms charges... he should have been arrested for putting up that pathetic looking website.
Link Posted: 1/12/2006 4:04:01 PM EDT
Well I guess they could just torched his compound.

There is not enough info in this thing to make a decision. More than likely that is on purpose. Just another opportunity to make someone who has a gun collection look like a loon.
Link Posted: 1/12/2006 4:05:38 PM EDT
This really pisses me off. I've not worn the uniform of my country for the last twenty years or am deploying away from my family for the next 9 months to foreign lands so low-life, ATF, gestapo types can s--t all over the bill of rights while I am gone.
I support LEOs, but ATF are scumbags who's sole purpose for existing is anti-constitutional and anti-individual freedom.
Link Posted: 1/12/2006 4:08:16 PM EDT

Originally Posted By neilfj:
Last I knew, he had an FFL. Shotgun News shows him as having an FFL, but his webpage, www.weareguns.com, hasn't been updated since August 2005. Perhaps he lost/failed to renew his FFL, but in either case, he should have know better.




Someone should email him about buying an illegal MG
Link Posted: 1/12/2006 4:09:48 PM EDT

Originally Posted By yekimak:
Well I guess they could just torched his compound.

There is not enough info in this thing to make a decision. More than likely that is on purpose. Just another opportunity to make someone who has a gun collection look like a loon.



On the bright side, the evidence against him is so "overwhelming" the judge released him on a signature bond.
Link Posted: 1/12/2006 4:11:52 PM EDT

Originally Posted By LoginName:
Never mind the firearms charges... he should have been arrested for putting up that pathetic looking website.



Can't argue about that, but he carried a lot of stuff, and the website was constantly being updated, and when he had sales, his prices were very good. He started pretty small, but was soon doing a pretty good business, and quite a bit of out-of-state sales and transfers. Its not like he was some old guy getting rid of his collection and not knowing the laws. He was very familiar with laws, including the state laws restricting personal sales to 4 per year without an FFL. I never got the impression, or heard anything shady about his operations, so there has to be something else going on here that hasn't been disclosed yet.
Link Posted: 1/12/2006 4:14:05 PM EDT

Originally Posted By neilfj:

Originally Posted By LoginName:
Never mind the firearms charges... he should have been arrested for putting up that pathetic looking website.



Can't argue about that, but he carried a lot of stuff, and the website was constantly being updated, and when he had sales, his prices were very good. He started pretty small, but was soon doing a pretty good business, and quite a bit of out-of-state sales and transfers. Its not like he was some old guy getting rid of his collection and not knowing the laws. He was very familiar with laws, including the state laws restricting personal sales to 4 per year without an FFL. I never got the impression, or heard anything shady about his operations, so there has to be something else going on here that hasn't been disclosed yet.



Yeah. The BATFE decided to bugger somebody for engaging in a completely harmless activity.
Link Posted: 1/12/2006 4:29:13 PM EDT
I've seen them dumped in a metal trash can at the PD for storage, they don't give a shit period.

That is because they intend to destroy seized firearms. They have to punish the bad gun to teach it a lesson.
Link Posted: 1/12/2006 4:39:56 PM EDT
"the right of the people to keep and bear arms, shall not be infringed." This is a black or white issue. Live free or die.
Link Posted: 1/12/2006 4:44:47 PM EDT

Originally Posted By FLAL1A:
On the bright side, the evidence against him is so "overwhelming" the judge released him on a signature bond.


I noticed that. Also, the judge told him to go home and bring his CCW pistols to the local police chief until the matter is cleaned up. If the judge thought this guy was such a monster, I don't think he would've left it up to the guy to transport the handguns.
Link Posted: 1/12/2006 4:49:22 PM EDT

Originally Posted By LANCEMAN:

Two of the guns are being tested to determine if they are automatic weapons.


Wonder how those tests might turn out, hope they videotape it.



[ATF Agent] Hold my beer and watch this. . . .[/ATF Agent]

Link Posted: 1/12/2006 4:50:38 PM EDT

Originally Posted By bookertbab:

All they have to do to check the weapon is open it up and look to see if it is cut for a safty sear. Should take all of 10 seconds to do that.





Come on. I'd be impressed if they managed not to call it an AK-47.

Link Posted: 1/12/2006 5:03:19 PM EDT

Two of the guns are being tested to determine if they are automatic weapons.


I'm sure they will be found to be so...use ammo with soft primers, inflict some wear on the internals, strap it to the bench with a rube goldberg contraption, and the rifle will be found to double or triple, thus making it an MG.
If that doesn't work, they can always charge him with constructive intent if he owns any shoelaces.
Link Posted: 1/12/2006 5:07:40 PM EDT
It's MA after all.

Of course the authorities want the BATF to bust this guy.

The BATF is just doing it's job.
Link Posted: 1/12/2006 5:12:21 PM EDT

Originally Posted By Wobblin-Goblin:

Originally Posted By FLAL1A:
On the bright side, the evidence against him is so "overwhelming" the judge released him on a signature bond.


I noticed that. Also, the judge told him to go home and bring his CCW pistols to the local police chief until the matter is cleaned up. If the judge thought this guy was such a monster, I don't think he would've left it up to the guy to transport the handguns.




Release is based on 1. risk of flight and 2. danger to the community.
Link Posted: 1/12/2006 6:56:21 PM EDT

Originally Posted By Gunplay:
"the right of the people to keep and bear arms, shall not be infringed." This is a black or white issue. Live free or die.



This coming from someone residing in the People's Republic of Kommifornia?

You must have been there for a long time, and have all the exemptions, registrations, etc. in place ....
Link Posted: 1/12/2006 7:00:27 PM EDT
I know a LOT of guys who do this.

They get a FFL and at the end of 3 years quit and still have a shitload of guns. Some even order a bunch in the last month of being a FFL.

Then they sell them as if nothing bad is going to happen to them.
Link Posted: 1/12/2006 8:09:12 PM EDT
[Last Edit: 1/12/2006 8:13:42 PM EDT by Mauser101]

Originally Posted By GryphonX:

Originally Posted By Gunplay:
"the right of the people to keep and bear arms, shall not be infringed." This is a black or white issue. Live free or die.



This coming from someone residing in the People's Republic of Kommifornia?

You must have been there for a long time, and have all the exemptions, registrations, etc. in place ....



What, you think that people who reside in California because they were born here, their job told them to go there or have extended family here are automagically in agreement with our fucked up laws? For fucks sake man, take a look at our hometown forum or the calguns website. We take every chance we can to backdoor the firearms laws and change them if we can.

Hell, I was born in Mercy Hospital in San Diego to long line of Californians. Clearly my last name is Lennin.

Yet more eveidence that gun owners are their own worst enemy...
Link Posted: 1/13/2006 10:52:02 AM EDT
[Last Edit: 1/13/2006 10:54:27 AM EDT by GryphonX]

Originally Posted By Mauser101:

Originally Posted By GryphonX:

Originally Posted By Gunplay:
"the right of the people to keep and bear arms, shall not be infringed." This is a black or white issue. Live free or die.



This coming from someone residing in the People's Republic of Kommifornia?

You must have been there for a long time, and have all the exemptions, registrations, etc. in place ....



What, you think that people who reside in California because they were born here, their job told them to go there or have extended family here are automagically in agreement with our fucked up laws? For fucks sake man, take a look at our hometown forum or the calguns website. We take every chance we can to backdoor the firearms laws and change them if we can.

Hell, I was born in Mercy Hospital in San Diego to long line of Californians. Clearly my last name is Lennin.

Yet more eveidence that gun owners are their own worst enemy...



Not my point.

Now that I read what I wrote, it came across as disparaging when I really meant to make the point that it's not really quite so Black & White.

For that, I apologize. I was simply too tired to more eloquently and clearly express myself. Let me rectify this lapse in tact now.

If it were so simple as "Black and White - Live Free or Die!" then all of us gun owners would be dead from raising our arms against the government as it slowly increases the strangle-hold of restrictions on our rights.

More articulately - living under the rule of such a Socialist-agendized, Politically Correct government as found in California (hence the pejorative, "Kommifornia"), you can't afford to take such a myopic, singularly driven stance such as "Live Free or Die," as you would immediately be crushed by the existing brute of system that is already in place to infringe upon your rights.

I completely agree, the only effective way to change the system is incrementally and by undermining the existing ineffective flotsam of laws and regulations that make living in California so difficult. One can only hope that your incremental restorations of personal rights accumulates more quickly than the gun-grabbers can pass more infringements .

And for the record, if it were as Black-and-White as "Live Free or Die!" I would be dead right along side you. I lived in the Bay Area for 19 years, and my family has been in Mountain View since 1907 (I was born out of state while my parents were in college, but grew up in California since the age of 4).

I was even in Berkeley for the last 4 years I was in the state (you want to see a FUCKED up Socialist hippie experiment destined to fail? Go live in the University Students Cooperative Association - what an eye-opener!).

As soon as I had the facilities about me to understand how fucked California's laws are, my wife and I left to make a life for ourselves in a place that still respects our individual rights.

So in the technical sense, I guess I'm doing exactly as Gunplay says; instead of dying in California, smothered by all the assinine restrictive legislation and the oppressive overpopulation, we're Living Free in beautiful Nevada
Link Posted: 1/13/2006 11:04:26 AM EDT

Originally Posted By SteyrAUG:
I know a LOT of guys who do this.

They get a FFL and at the end of 3 years quit and still have a shitload of guns. Some even order a bunch in the last month of being a FFL.

Then they sell them as if nothing bad is going to happen to them.



The reverse seems to be possible as well.
I have a friend who has a C&R license, but his vendors seem to sell him whatever he asks for. So far on his "C&R" he has purchased through the mail: Ruger Security Six in .357 Mag., S&W Model 29 w/4" (commemorative model), S&W 25 Mountain Gun in .45ACP w/4", etc...

Oh well, it's not like he's going to run amock and kill anybody.
Link Posted: 1/13/2006 11:17:55 AM EDT

Originally Posted By LANCEMAN:
Sounds like a former FFL selling off his old inventory maybe, could be from a his own private collection though. Are FTF sales still legal in MA ?


mfile.akamai.com/12912/wmv/vod.ibsys.com/2006/0112/6035666.200k.asx



Dozens Of Weapons Confiscated In Raid
ATF Says Feinberg Selling Guns Without License

BOSTON -- Federal agents stormed a home on Farm Lane in Norton, Mass., in a gun raid Thursday.

NewsCenter 5's Jack Harper reported that the home's owner, Richard Feinberg, was arrested and armloads of guns were confiscated.

Alcohol, Tobacco, Firearms and Explosives agents said Feinberg, 56, was selling guns out of his home without a license.

"We have taken some firearms into custody, and we are processing those guns right now. We will trace them and find out where they came from and how they got to this location," said Jim McNally, of the ATF.


A federal prosecutor said agents seized 90 weapons from Feinberg's home and garage. Two of the guns are being tested to determine if they are automatic weapons. If they are, Feinberg could face penalties more severe than five years in prison and $250,000 in fines.

"I knew that he sold guns. But I honestly didn't think he was doing anything wrong. We all knew he was selling them. He is a nice guy," neighbor Stephanie Podielsky said.

Feinberg's lawyer told the court his client previously held a license to deal in firearms. Federal agents said even if that was true, recent sales were illegal. A federal magistrate released Feinberg on $50,000 unsecured bond. The judge told him to take out an equity loan on one of his properties to hire a lawyer.

Feinberg will return to federal court on Feb. 13.

Feinberg was ordered to take three handguns he is licensed to keep in his house to the Norton police station.



http://www.thebostonchannel.com/news/6035714/detail.html?rss=bos&psp=news



HOLY SHIT, I bought my first rifle from that guy. Also talked to him online about buying mags last month.
Link Posted: 1/13/2006 11:47:00 AM EDT

Originally Posted By Wobblin-Goblin:
One at a time, the gun owners go down....




DING DING DING, we have a winner.

"We shall hang together or surely we will hang separately". I learned long ago gun owners have taken the latter.
Link Posted: 1/13/2006 12:02:12 PM EDT

Originally Posted By LANCEMAN:

Two of the guns are being tested to determine if they are automatic weapons.


Wonder how those tests might turn out, hope they videotape it.




C'mon, you know better than that. They will say whatever they want and never prove it. Remember the "Automatic" AK's supposedly found in Waco, remember they wouldnt show proof that they were?

Do NOT Question Authority

sorry dont have the pic
Link Posted: 1/13/2006 12:05:45 PM EDT
[Last Edit: 1/13/2006 12:06:50 PM EDT by rjroberts]

Originally Posted By Special-K:
So they're going to "test" them to see if they're fully automatic. A little axle grease here, rub some sand paper there........ Voila!!! An illegal machine gun! Now quick - wash it all out before they see!


-K



They don't even have to wash it out. Who's going to see? People who know anything? The avarage shlump watching the evening news "Dey got one o dem gun nuts. Prolly trying to start a rebilootion!" "Hey, lookah dat, dey got a koopon at da Golden Corral!"
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