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Posted: 12/14/2013 2:32:31 PM EDT
[Last Edit: 12/14/2013 2:41:49 PM EDT by realwar]
Link Posted: 12/14/2013 2:36:11 PM EDT
Front fell off.
Link Posted: 12/14/2013 2:36:43 PM EDT

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Link Posted: 12/14/2013 2:38:02 PM EDT
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Originally Posted By SoonerBorn:
Front fell off.
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basically
Link Posted: 12/14/2013 2:39:20 PM EDT
Link Posted: 12/14/2013 2:41:12 PM EDT
damn
Link Posted: 12/14/2013 2:43:16 PM EDT
Can't help but wonder what size crane will be needed to get the crane on the right out of that hole?
Link Posted: 12/14/2013 2:47:10 PM EDT
It is a perfect socialist plan, now they need several more cranes. More jobs.
Link Posted: 12/14/2013 2:47:11 PM EDT
Que paso?
Link Posted: 12/14/2013 2:47:37 PM EDT
Why were the cranes off to the side and not in line with the beam?
Link Posted: 12/14/2013 2:48:16 PM EDT
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Originally Posted By felrom:
Why were the cranes off to the side and not in line with the beam?
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You question the worker's paradise?
Link Posted: 12/14/2013 2:48:41 PM EDT
Guy in the close crane is lucky he didn't take the full ride.
Link Posted: 12/14/2013 2:48:58 PM EDT

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Originally Posted By CJan_NH:


Can't help but wonder what size crane will be needed to get the crane on the right out of that hole?
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Once you get the counterweights off, and a lot of the other parts that can be removed the answer is a not very large one.

 



Of course, being Venezuela, they'll probably use a bigger crane and try to pick it up all at once and have that one fall in.
Link Posted: 12/14/2013 2:49:21 PM EDT
That's not gonna buff out.
Link Posted: 12/14/2013 2:49:50 PM EDT

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Originally Posted By felrom:


Why were the cranes off to the side and not in line with the beam?
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Hydro cranes like that on outriggers can't travel with a load, so they set up to swing the beam into position off the ends.

 
Link Posted: 12/14/2013 2:50:13 PM EDT
Do you even lift, bro?
Link Posted: 12/14/2013 2:54:08 PM EDT
Looks like there will be no erections as planned.
Link Posted: 12/14/2013 2:54:33 PM EDT
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Originally Posted By felrom:
Why were the cranes off to the side and not in line with the beam?
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they read the charts wrong; looks like they couldn't setup the way they should, and
went out of range when they started swinging the load;

sucks to be a commie,,,,,,

WE DON'T NEED NO STINKING SAFETY ENGINEER TELLLING US WHAT (not) TO DO!!!!!!
Link Posted: 12/14/2013 2:56:19 PM EDT
Damnit Jose!
Link Posted: 12/14/2013 2:59:58 PM EDT
Oops....   Looks painful.
Link Posted: 12/14/2013 3:00:30 PM EDT
Is there any such thing as a crane having a direct cable remote for operators to stand outside of it and operate?


Not just for safety, but for them to have a better prospective on what they're doing, than being isolated in the cab at tough to see angles.
Link Posted: 12/14/2013 3:01:46 PM EDT
Id need some clean underwear after that ride
Link Posted: 12/14/2013 3:13:55 PM EDT
Closest crane looks to be a 235 ton Leibherr, but farther crane looks to be a 60 ton or so Grove.

The 60 ton was out of chart and sucked the bigger 235 in with it.
Link Posted: 12/14/2013 3:16:00 PM EDT
Third world problems.
Link Posted: 12/14/2013 3:16:51 PM EDT
Link Posted: 12/14/2013 3:19:24 PM EDT
gonna be a real bitch getting the operator out of the dangler.
Link Posted: 12/14/2013 3:19:54 PM EDT
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Originally Posted By felrom:
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They had to make the pick from where the piece was assembled, (I'm assuming it was too big to bring in on a truck.) and then place it in it's final position.

The safe thing to do is to err on the side of caution and set up closer to the final position of the piece, than the original pick point.. That way, if you do exceed the capacity of

the cranes involved you can't actually lift it as opposed to dumping two cranes into the hole when you exceed the capacity of either crane.
Link Posted: 12/14/2013 3:20:21 PM EDT
People hate OSHA..including myself, but occasionally there are times....
Link Posted: 12/14/2013 3:22:53 PM EDT
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People hate OSHA..including myself, but occasionally there are times....
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Yeah that state controlled construction project would have been a lot better if the state controlled it.

Seriously though, *everyone* pays for the damage done in that crash. Here, the *company* would have had to pay. For this reason, the managers have a massive incentive to prevent it from happening. Bureaucrats have no incentive to stop it.

The market is superior to central planning in every way.
Link Posted: 12/14/2013 3:23:53 PM EDT
[Last Edit: 12/14/2013 3:38:34 PM EDT by gunnardog68]
Yeah that was crazy.  Easy to say it's a typical South American Charlie Foxtrot but we have had plenty of those in the US as well.


http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=iyM9IEkihhU

(Fast forward to minute 6, I am learning how to imbed now, sorry for the sucky skilz)

This one isn't nearly as spectacular in video but this particular crane I have seen up close and personal before and after the wreck.  It was work being done at a Petrochem or Refinery in Houston and those places have the most restrictive and carefully administrated safety protocols in any industry.  This accident killed both the crane operator on the giant crane and the boom fell on the cab of a smaller (500 Ton? small…….) tender crane next to it.

Heavy industry is dangerous.
Link Posted: 12/14/2013 3:27:26 PM EDT
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Originally Posted By MagazineFed:


Yeah that state controlled construction project would have been a lot better if the state controlled it.

Seriously though, *everyone* pays for the damage done in that crash. Here, the *company* would have had to pay. For this reason, the managers have a massive incentive to prevent it from happening. Bureaucrats have no incentive to stop it.

The market is superior to central planning in every way.
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Originally Posted By blakdak007:
People hate OSHA..including myself, but occasionally there are times....


Yeah that state controlled construction project would have been a lot better if the state controlled it.

Seriously though, *everyone* pays for the damage done in that crash. Here, the *company* would have had to pay. For this reason, the managers have a massive incentive to prevent it from happening. Bureaucrats have no incentive to stop it.

The market is superior to central planning in every way.

True...maybe it's just the internet being world wide that these problems seem to be larger than they are. All I noticed is that I've seen far more of these incidents in other countries than I've seen here. But as I said, it could be the internet blowing it up to be bigger than it is.
Link Posted: 12/14/2013 3:27:50 PM EDT
I wonder if the crane operators bailed when they heard the pop.
Link Posted: 12/14/2013 3:29:38 PM EDT
Gravity is a Bitch.
Link Posted: 12/14/2013 3:31:37 PM EDT
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Originally Posted By dmfl54:
Gravity is a Bitch.
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This!
Link Posted: 12/14/2013 3:34:30 PM EDT

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Originally Posted By sturmjr:


Is there any such thing as a crane having a direct cable remote for operators to stand outside of it and operate?





Not just for safety, but for them to have a better prospective on what they're doing, than being isolated in the cab at tough to see angles.
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I had a remote for the crane on my Heavy Wrecker, but I've never seen one used on a large crane (some have remotes that are used for rigging up/down the crane)





The Rigger calls the lift, they have a better eye on what's going on and will give the operator(s) commands.



 
Link Posted: 12/14/2013 3:34:41 PM EDT
They'll have to order the crane companies to sell them below cost now.
Link Posted: 12/14/2013 3:34:44 PM EDT
Looks like someone didn't accurately read the load chart in the crane on the left. As the operator boomed down he went out of the safe radius. When his crane failed it shock loaded the closer crane on the right.
Link Posted: 12/14/2013 3:38:16 PM EDT
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Originally Posted By Wrek:
Looks like someone didn't accurately read the load chart in the crane on the left. As the operator boomed down he went out of the safe radius. When his crane failed it shock loaded the closer crane on the right.
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Wondered if you would post here

or the ground didn't support the outrigger, but I agree, he boomed down to far.
Link Posted: 12/14/2013 3:38:46 PM EDT
Link Posted: 12/14/2013 3:47:33 PM EDT
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Originally Posted By CarbineDad:


Wondered if you would post here

or the ground didn't support the outrigger, but I agree, he boomed down to far.
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Originally Posted By CarbineDad:
Originally Posted By Wrek:
Looks like someone didn't accurately read the load chart in the crane on the left. As the operator boomed down he went out of the safe radius. When his crane failed it shock loaded the closer crane on the right.


Wondered if you would post here

or the ground didn't support the outrigger, but I agree, he boomed down to far.


Of course!

People tend to underestimate how quickly the load capacity drops off as you boom down in a mobile crane. You would think that for a big two crane lift like that they would have left a bigger margin for error.
Link Posted: 12/14/2013 3:59:28 PM EDT
Shit boy fuck'in howdy what a ride
Link Posted: 12/14/2013 4:16:08 PM EDT
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Link Posted: 12/14/2013 4:21:49 PM EDT
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Originally Posted By SmilingBandit:
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Spanish for "the front fell off"

Link Posted: 12/14/2013 4:22:48 PM EDT
It looks like an outrigger on the crane on the left let go/punched through.
Link Posted: 12/14/2013 4:28:30 PM EDT
I wonder if anyone on the entire crew knew what the tonnage on the lift was???
Link Posted: 12/14/2013 4:31:32 PM EDT
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Originally Posted By CJan_NH:
Can't help but wonder what size crane will be needed to get the crane on the right out of that hole?
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Link Posted: 12/14/2013 4:34:56 PM EDT
They failed to grasp the gravity of the situation.
Link Posted: 12/14/2013 4:36:33 PM EDT
[Last Edit: 12/14/2013 4:37:55 PM EDT by EdDinIL]
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Originally Posted By gunnardog68:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=iyM9IEkihhU
(Fast forward to minute 6, I am learning how to imbed now, sorry for the sucky skilz)
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Here you go.


And then there's the Miller Park "Big Blue" collapse from 1999.
Link Posted: 12/14/2013 4:43:51 PM EDT
Physics is a cold hearted mistress.
Link Posted: 12/14/2013 4:52:05 PM EDT
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Originally Posted By Caboose314:
Physics is a cold hearted mistress.
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All this science I don't understand
It's just my job five days a week
Link Posted: 12/14/2013 4:52:11 PM EDT

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Originally Posted By bgenlvtex:


Closest crane looks to be a 235 ton Leibherr, but farther crane looks to be a 60 ton or so Grove.



The 60 ton was out of chart and sucked the bigger 235 in with it.
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two 100 tonne Liebherr LTM1100-5





Outrigger on the far crane sank into the ground causing accident



 
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