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Posted: 9/5/2005 7:35:33 PM EDT
[Last Edit: 9/5/2005 7:35:49 PM EDT by 22bad]
Don't ship evacuees far, Jesse Jackson says
By ERIC BERGER
Houston Chronicle
Sept. 5, 2005
www.chron.com/cs/CDA/ssistory.mpl/front/3340197
Joining two of Houston's most prominent black legislators in slamming the federal government's response to Hurricane Katrina, the Rev. Jesse Jackson said today that evacuees shouldn't be shipped to distant states and shouldn't be referred to as "refugees."

Jackson said he appreciated the willingness of states as far away as Utah and Minnesota to take in evacuees but suggested such plans take them too far from their families and the homes that must be rebuilt.

"It's a long ways from home," he said. "It's a long way from where they have lived, where they were acculturated."

If evacuees are living thousands of miles away, he said, they can't be in on the jobs and economic opportunities that will arise as their communities are rebuilt. He proposed using military bases in Louisiana, such as the mothballed England Air Force Base in Alexandria. Evacuees could live in dorms and tent cities.

Jackson said evacuees from the Gulf Coast are not refugees, a word he believes suggests subhumans or criminals.

"It is racist to call American citizens refugees,'' he said.

After touring the Reliant Astrodome today, Jackson blamed the federal government for many of the problems evacuees now face. The government should have assisted New Orleans with evacuation efforts before the storm struck and has been far to slow in its wake to rescue those left in the city and provide aid, he said.

"As the waters subside, the death toll could be astronomical, of frightening dimensions, because we've been so slow to act," Jackson said

U.S. Rep. Shelia Jackson Lee, D-Houston and U.S. Rep. Al Green, D-Houston, also said the Federal Emergency Management Agency left New Orleans unprotected.

"This was a test case, and we failed," Jackson Lee said.

Jackson also lambasted the Louisiana office of the U.S. Department of Homeland Security, saying it should have let the Red Cross into New Orleans immediately after the hurricane passed one week ago.

Homeland security officials told the Red Cross not to enter the city because they were trying to get residents out, not encourage them to stay, because most of the city was still under water, and because armed gangs of looters were in the streets.

Marsha Evans, president of the American Red Cross, said today the agency was ready to go in. Its volunteers understood the danger and were willing to do their jobs, she said.

"The decision not to let them in was not sound," Jackson said. "The danger was exaggerated."

The federal government has been taking criticism from all quarters in the wake of Hurricane Katrina.

The New Orleans Times-Picayune, in an open letter, called upon Bush to fire every official at FEMA.

"We're angry, Mr. President,'' the newspaper said in an open letter.

If criticism of the federal government has been sharp, Jackson and other political leaders were happy to praise the efforts of Houston and the state of Texas, where one quarter of a million of Louisiana's refugees have landed.

"I'm so proud of Houston," Jackson Lee said. "This city has done a wonderful job."
Link Posted: 9/5/2005 7:38:34 PM EDT

Jackson said evacuees from the Gulf Coast are not refugees, a word he believes suggests subhumans or criminals



Would somebody give that fucktard a dictionary.

Link Posted: 9/5/2005 7:41:28 PM EDT
Link Posted: 9/5/2005 7:42:10 PM EDT
They never cease to amaze me and then again they never suprise me.
Link Posted: 9/5/2005 7:43:06 PM EDT

Originally Posted By out-a-ammo:

Jackson said evacuees from the Gulf Coast are not refugees, a word he believes suggests subhumans or criminals



Would somebody give that fucktard a dictionary.





Why bother?

He's going to make it up as he goes along, anyways?
Link Posted: 9/5/2005 7:43:26 PM EDT
They are seeking refugee from the hurricane. A refugee is someone without a home. In the past it has ment people flee from a country to escape but now a days it can be apllied to alot of things. Its just political bullshit.
Link Posted: 9/5/2005 7:44:22 PM EDT
They are not refugees, you can call them homeless or dissplaced etc...

To Jackson, refugees are different from say, chinese or vietnamese. Does not refer to a race Jesse. Joe
Link Posted: 9/5/2005 7:45:05 PM EDT
WHEN, ALMIGHTY GOD, WILL YOU FINALLY SMITE THIS MOTHERFUCKER FROM THE FACE OF THE EARTH?

WHEN?


Link Posted: 9/5/2005 7:46:22 PM EDT
He is the biggest sham on the planet. Moronic scumbag POS.
Link Posted: 9/5/2005 7:47:52 PM EDT
Hey PONTIAC...


Link Posted: 9/5/2005 7:48:00 PM EDT
An idiot to represent the idiots I guess.
Link Posted: 9/5/2005 7:48:06 PM EDT
OK, let me see if I get this straight.......

Jessie Jackson would rather see these people living in tent cities in unsanitary and unhealthy conditions while closer to home than seeing them in a much nicer setting somewhere in the Midwest?

What a fucking idiot.
Link Posted: 9/5/2005 7:48:56 PM EDT

If evacuees are living thousands of miles away, he said, they can't be in on the jobs and economic opportunities that will arise as their communities are rebuilt. He proposed using military bases in Louisiana, such as the mothballed England Air Force Base in Alexandria. Evacuees could live in dorms and tent cities.


must be one BIG DAMNED ABANDONED BASE if he wants to house half a million people in it.


Is JJ really this fucking stupid or is he just pretending?


yeah, instead of letting the people live in housing in Utah or something, by all means keep them in a tent city for 6 months. damn, his idiocy makes MY head hurt.

Link Posted: 9/5/2005 7:51:08 PM EDT
WTF???

Had a bunch over for supper tonight. Grilled burgers and wieners. They called themselves refugees.
Link Posted: 9/5/2005 7:55:02 PM EDT
This fuckwad can DIE (preferably from natural causes) anytime now.

I've completely had it with this whole situation. The so-called "leaders" show that they don't give a fuck about "their" people, only exploiting them for political gain.

There have been enough people from NOLA that have managed to taint the whole disaster that I frankly don't give a shit whether they live or die.

Now, ANYONE that is willing to stand on their own two feet and *ASK* for assistance I'd *GLADLY* help but those (at least from NOLA) seem to be the rare execption rather than the rule. The whining, socialist titsuckers can FOAD.

I've pretty much stopped watching coverage as all I keep seeing is people bitching. I *HAVE* to believe that those ANYWHERE but NOLA are NOT part of this bullshit.
Link Posted: 9/5/2005 7:55:54 PM EDT

Originally Posted By huggybro:
WTF???

Had a bunch over for supper tonight. Grilled burgers and wieners. They called themselves refugees.



They were RACISTS, heh
Link Posted: 9/5/2005 7:56:01 PM EDT
I heard over the wire that Cali took 2000 refugees in already.There up in a hotel in Burbank Ca.
Link Posted: 9/5/2005 7:57:13 PM EDT
Lt Lockhart (FMJ) ".....if we move Vietnamese black folks, they are evacuees. If they come to us to be evacuated, they are refugees."
Link Posted: 9/5/2005 7:58:16 PM EDT
I read that Perry said 250,000 in TX is enough, the rest need to go somewhere else
Link Posted: 9/5/2005 7:59:46 PM EDT
Gotta love the "R" word.
Link Posted: 9/5/2005 8:01:39 PM EDT
Anybody notice this...


"It is racist to call American citizens refugees,'' he said.


If criticism of the federal government has been sharp, Jackson and other political leaders were happy to praise the efforts of Houston and the state of Texas, where one quarter of a million of Louisiana's refugees have landed.



The Houston Chronicle's journalists are racists!!


Link Posted: 9/5/2005 8:02:17 PM EDT
"...where they were acculturated."

Excuse me, Jesse, while I vomitate. Who taught that fvcker English?

Alpine
Link Posted: 9/5/2005 8:02:39 PM EDT
And I would like to request a song for all those suffering from the hurricane and flooding....


Tom Petty.....

<­BR>



REFUGEE
Tom Petty and the Heartbreakers

We got somethin' we both know it
We don't talk too much about it
Yeah it ain't no real big secret all the same
Somehow we get around it
Listen it don't really matter to me baby
You believe what you want to believe
You see you don't have to live like a refugee

Somewhere, somehow somebody
Must have kicked you around some(Blanco?)
Tell me why you wanna lay there
And revel in your abandon
Listen it don't make no difference to me baby
Everybody's had to fight to be free
You see you don't have to live like a refugee
Now baby you don't have to live like a refugee

Baby we ain't the first
I'm sure a lot of other lover's been burned
Right now this seems real to you
But it's one of those things
You gotta feel to be true

Somewhere, somehow somebody
Must have kicked you around some
Who knows, maybe you were kidnapped
Tied up, taken away and held for ransom
It don't really matter to me
Everybody's had to fight to be free
You see you don't have to live like a refugee
I said you don't have to live like a refugee

Link Posted: 9/5/2005 8:03:46 PM EDT

Originally Posted By Billybob2002:
Anybody notice this...


"It is racist to call American citizens refugees,'' he said.


If criticism of the federal government has been sharp, Jackson and other political leaders were happy to praise the efforts of Houston and the state of Texas, where one quarter of a million of Louisiana's refugees have landed.



The Houston Chronicle's journalists are racists!!



Just like all "extremist" liberals
Link Posted: 9/5/2005 8:05:22 PM EDT

Originally Posted By Alpine:
"...where they were acculturated."

Excuse me, Jesse, while I vomitate. Who taught that fvcker English?

Alpine



It's Elite Ebonics. He invented it.
Link Posted: 9/5/2005 8:06:50 PM EDT

Originally Posted By Zaphod:

Originally Posted By Alpine:
"...where they were acculturated."

Excuse me, Jesse, while I vomitate. Who taught that fvcker English?

Alpine



It's Elite Ebonics. He invented it.



Uppity. Not elite.
Link Posted: 9/5/2005 8:09:10 PM EDT
Since when did anyone give a shit what Jesse Jaskson says????
Link Posted: 9/5/2005 8:10:27 PM EDT

Originally Posted By repub18:
Since when did anyone give a shit what Jesse Jaskson says????



Since he practically bathed in MLK's blood to make himself something special.

Cock-sucking, enslaving, lying, POS race-baiting HYPOCRITE!
Link Posted: 9/5/2005 8:14:51 PM EDT
I think I might of figured out why he is concerned about where they are placed

their welfare might run out unless they go to TX, LA, SC or NC
www.urban.org/Template.cfm?Section=DataataGlance&NavMenuID=6&PublicationID=7462
Link Posted: 9/5/2005 8:14:54 PM EDT
If I were a refugee and had my home distroyed by a Class 5 hurricane and Oregon opened its doors to me and my family I would truly appreciate the oprotunity to rebuild. I live 1500 miles from my parents and can "talk" with them daily via email and cell phones if I choose. Its one thing to leave your home land back in the 1600's and sail on a ship for several months to find new hope. Give me a friggen break.

Patty
Link Posted: 9/5/2005 8:15:46 PM EDT

Originally Posted By Zaphod:
WHEN, ALMIGHTY GOD, WILL YOU FINALLY SMITE THIS MOTHERFUCKER FROM THE FACE OF THE EARTH?

WHEN?





+1
Link Posted: 9/5/2005 8:36:51 PM EDT

Originally Posted By Alpine:
"...where they were acculturated."

Excuse me, Jesse, while I vomitate. Who taught that fvcker English?

Alpine



Sorry, but that one is a real word

www.m-w.com/cgi-bin/dictionary?va=acculturated
Link Posted: 9/5/2005 8:38:03 PM EDT
Whenever I hear the good reverend's name, I try to picture him in a way that fits his public contributions and frames him in a more deserving manner.

Link Posted: 9/5/2005 8:38:10 PM EDT
[Last Edit: 9/5/2005 8:40:26 PM EDT by NickDrak]
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Link Posted: 9/5/2005 8:39:59 PM EDT
[Last Edit: 9/5/2005 8:40:54 PM EDT by NickDrak]

Originally Posted By 22bad:
"It's a long ways from home," he said. "It's a long way from where they have lived, where they were acculturated ."




Link Posted: 9/5/2005 8:41:49 PM EDT

Originally Posted By Sumo2000:

Originally Posted By Alpine:
"...where they were acculturated."

Excuse me, Jesse, while I vomitate. Who taught that fvcker English?

Alpine



Sorry, but that one is a real word

www.m-w.com/cgi-bin/dictionary?va=acculturated



Yup, but exactly WHAT culture is he talking about?
Link Posted: 9/5/2005 8:44:18 PM EDT

Originally Posted By swingset:
Whenever I hear the good reverend's name, I try to picture him in a way that fits his public contributions and frames him in a more deserving manner.

www.10-7.com/humor/mugshots/jesse_jackson.jpg



Was the scumbag ever charged with embezzlement for stealing the many thousands
of dollars from the rainbow\push foundation to give to his mistress and love child ?
Link Posted: 9/5/2005 9:01:30 PM EDT
send them back to africa then.


"It's a long ways from home," he said. "It's a long way from where they have lived, where they were acculturated."
Link Posted: 9/5/2005 9:04:14 PM EDT

Originally Posted By Jerret:
send them back to africa then.



Precisely. Hell, we don't even have to worry about packing their stuff now that it's all gone. Pull those Carnival Cruise ships up, load 'em up, and send them back to where they seem to think they'll be better off. Just drop them off on the beach. Do the slave trade in reverse and for free.

I'm sick of these assholes!
Link Posted: 9/5/2005 9:15:11 PM EDT
[Last Edit: 9/5/2005 9:17:13 PM EDT by nightstalker]
Most of the time refugees in this country get it together in a generation or less.

Jesse needs some clients to keep his job as Chief Extortionist.

"Acculturated"...?.....to what?
Link Posted: 9/5/2005 9:26:31 PM EDT
[Last Edit: 9/5/2005 9:28:34 PM EDT by 22bad]
Yup, the CULTURE of the WELFARE STATE, what else could he be talking about
(it sure wasn't the culture of good music and food that made them shoot at rescuers)

Unnatural Disaster: A Hurricane Exposes the Man-Made Disaster of the Welfare State
By Robert Tracinski
September 5, 2005
realclearpolitics.com/Commentary/com-9_4_05_RT.html
It took four long days for state and federal officials to figure out how to deal with the disaster in New Orleans. I can't blame them, because it also took me four long days to figure out what was going on there. The reason is that the events there make no sense if you think that we are confronting a natural disaster.

If this is just a natural disaster, the response for public officials is obvious: you bring in food, water, and doctors; you send transportation to evacuate refugees to temporary shelters; you send engineers to stop the flooding and rebuild the city's infrastructure. For journalists, natural disasters also have a familiar pattern: the heroism of ordinary people pulling together to survive; the hard work and dedication of doctors, nurses, and rescue workers; the steps being taken to clean up and rebuild.

Public officials did not expect that the first thing they would have to do is to send thousands of armed troops in armored vehicle, as if they are suppressing an enemy insurgency. And journalists—myself included—did not expect that the story would not be about rain, wind, and flooding, but about rape, murder, and looting.

But this is not a natural disaster. It is a man-made disaster.

The man-made disaster is not an inadequate or incompetent response by federal relief agencies, and it was not directly caused by Hurricane Katrina. This is where just about every newspaper and television channel has gotten the story wrong.

The man-made disaster we are now witnessing in New Orleans did not happen over four days last week. It happened over the past four decades. Hurricane Katrina merely exposed it to public view.

The man-made disaster is the welfare state.

For the past few days, I have found the news from New Orleans to be confusing. People were not behaving as you would expect them to behave in an emergency—indeed, they were not behaving as they have behaved in other emergencies. That is what has shocked so many people: they have been saying that this is not what we expect from America. In fact, it is not even what we expect from a Third World country.

When confronted with a disaster, people usually rise to the occasion. They work together to rescue people in danger, and they spontaneously organize to keep order and solve problems. This is especially true in America. We are an enterprising people, used to relying on our own initiative rather than waiting around for the government to take care of us. I have seen this a hundred times, in small examples (a small town whose main traffic light had gone out, causing ordinary citizens to get out of their cars and serve as impromptu traffic cops, directing cars through the intersection) and large ones (the spontaneous response of New Yorkers to September 11).


So what explains the chaos in New Orleans?

To give you an idea of the magnitude of what is going on, here is a description from a Washington Times story:

"Storm victims are raped and beaten; fights erupt with flying fists, knives and guns; fires are breaking out; corpses litter the streets; and police and rescue helicopters are repeatedly fired on.

"The plea from Mayor C. Ray Nagin came even as National Guardsmen poured in to restore order and stop the looting, carjackings and gunfire....

"Last night, Gov. Kathleen Babineaux Blanco said 300 Iraq-hardened Arkansas National Guard members were inside New Orleans with shoot-to-kill orders.

"'These troops are...under my orders to restore order in the streets,' she said. 'They have M-16s, and they are locked and loaded. These troops know how to shoot and kill and they are more than willing to do so if necessary and I expect they will.'"


The reference to Iraq is eerie. The photo that accompanies this article shows a SWAT team with rifles and armored vests riding on an armored vehicle through trash-strewn streets lined by a rabble of squalid, listless people, one of whom appears to be yelling at them. It looks exactly like a scene from Sadr City in Baghdad.

What explains bands of thugs using a natural disaster as an excuse for an orgy of looting, armed robbery, and rape? What causes unruly mobs to storm the very buses that have arrived to evacuate them, causing the drivers to speed away, frightened for their lives? What causes people to attack the doctors trying to treat patients at the Superdome?

Why are people responding to natural destruction by causing further destruction? Why are they attacking the people who are trying to help them?

My wife, Sherri, figured it out first, and she figured it out on a sense-of-life level. While watching the coverage one night on Fox News Channel, she told me that she was getting a familiar feeling. She studied architecture at the Illinois Institute of Chicago, which is located in the South Side of Chicago just blocks away from the Robert Taylor Homes, one of the largest high-rise public housing projects in America. "The projects," as they were known, were infamous for uncontrollable crime and irremediable squalor. (They have since, mercifully, been demolished.)

What Sherri was getting from last night's television coverage was a whiff of the sense of life of "the projects." Then the "crawl"—the informational phrases flashed at the bottom of the screen on most news channels—gave some vital statistics to confirm this sense: 75% of the residents of New Orleans had already evacuated before the hurricane, and of those who remained, a large number were from the city's public housing projects. Jack Wakeland then told me that early reports from CNN and Fox indicated that the city had no plan for evacuating all of the prisoners in the city's jails—so they just let many of them loose. [Update: I have been searching for news reports on this last story, but I have not been able to confirm it. Instead, I have found numerous reports about the collapse of the corrupt and incompetent New Orleans Police Department; see here and here.]

There is no doubt a significant overlap between these two populations--that is, a large number of people in the jails used to live in the housing projects, and vice versa.

There were many decent, innocent people trapped in New Orleans when the deluge hit—but they were trapped alongside large numbers of people from two groups: criminals—and wards of the welfare state, people selected, over decades, for their lack of initiative and self-induced helplessness. The welfare wards were a mass of sheep—on whom the incompetent administration of New Orleans unleashed a pack of wolves.

All of this is related, incidentally, to the incompetence of the city government, which failed to plan for a total evacuation of the city, despite the knowledge that this might be necessary. In a city corrupted by the welfare state, the job of city officials is to ensure the flow of handouts to welfare recipients and patronage to political supporters—not to ensure a lawful, orderly evacuation in case of emergency.

No one has really reported this story, as far as I can tell. In fact, some are already actively distorting it, blaming President Bush, for example, for failing to personally ensure that the Mayor of New Orleans had drafted an adequate evacuation plan. The worst example is an execrable piece from the Toronto Globe and Mail, by a supercilious Canadian who blames the chaos on American "individualism." But the truth is precisely the opposite: the chaos was caused by a system that was the exact opposite of individualism.

What Hurricane Katrina exposed was the psychological consequences of the welfare state. What we consider "normal" behavior in an emergency is behavior that is normal for people who have values and take the responsibility to pursue and protect them. People with values respond to a disaster by fighting against it and doing whatever it takes to overcome the difficulties they face. They don't sit around and complain that the government hasn't taken care of them. And they don't use the chaos of a disaster as an opportunity to prey on their fellow men.

But what about criminals and welfare parasites? Do they worry about saving their houses and property? They don't, because they don't own anything. Do they worry about what is going to happen to their businesses or how they are going to make a living? They never worried about those things before. Do they worry about crime and looting? But living off of stolen wealth is a way of life for them.

People living in piles of their own trash, while petulantly complaining that other people aren't doing enough to take care of them and then shooting at those who come to rescue them—this is not just a description of the chaos at the Superdome. It is a perfect summary of the 40-year history of the welfare state and its public housing projects.

The welfare state—and the brutish, uncivilized mentality it sustains and encourages—is the man-made disaster that explains the moral ugliness that has swamped New Orleans. And that is the story that no one is reporting.
Link Posted: 9/5/2005 9:34:23 PM EDT
As is often the case when he attempts to use big words he got the meaning wrong.

ac·cul·tur·ate ( P ) Pronunciation Key (-klch-rt)
v. ac·cul·tur·at·ed, ac·cul·tur·at·ing, ac·cul·tur·ates
v. tr.
To cause (a society, for example) to change by the process of acculturation.

v. intr.
To change or be modified by acculturation.
dictionary.reference.com/search?q=acculturated

Link Posted: 9/5/2005 9:37:24 PM EDT
[Last Edit: 9/5/2005 9:44:49 PM EDT by Da_Bunny]

Originally Posted By Charging_Handle:
OK, let me see if I get this straight.......

Jessie Jackson would rather see these people living in tent cities in unsanitary and unhealthy conditions while closer to home than seeing them in a much nicer setting somewhere in the Midwest?

What a fucking idiot.



Breaking up the population would dilute the effects of "urban culture". People would be absorbed by the heartland and adapt new attitudes when they lived among the people they've been taught to hate. They might become tainted by the work ethic.
Link Posted: 9/5/2005 9:51:09 PM EDT

What a fucking idiot.


+infinity
Link Posted: 9/6/2005 2:02:28 AM EDT
[Last Edit: 9/6/2005 2:02:54 AM EDT by swingset]

Originally Posted By sandboxmedic:
As is often the case when he attempts to use big words he got the meaning wrong.

ac·cul·tur·ate ( P ) Pronunciation Key (-klch-rt)
v. ac·cul·tur·at·ed, ac·cul·tur·at·ing, ac·cul·tur·ates
v. tr.
To cause (a society, for example) to change by the process of acculturation.

v. intr.
To change or be modified by acculturation.
dictionary.reference.com/search?q=acculturated





Malapropisms are the hallmark of black community leaders. It's what happens when you try to bullshit your way past education into intelligence.

At least that's my conjegative analgesic of the situation.

Link Posted: 9/6/2005 2:07:31 AM EDT
you have GOT to be fuckin kidding me?? now...without looking it up for an OFFICIAL definition.....i would THINK that a "refugee" is someone seeking refuge??

Jackson is a fucking moron, how he survived into adult hood and evaded natural selection, i will never know.
Link Posted: 9/6/2005 2:33:40 AM EDT

Originally Posted By Da_Bunny:

Originally Posted By Charging_Handle:
OK, let me see if I get this straight.......

Jessie Jackson would rather see these people living in tent cities in unsanitary and unhealthy conditions while closer to home than seeing them in a much nicer setting somewhere in the Midwest?

What a fucking idiot.



Breaking up the population would dilute the effects of "urban culture". People would be absorbed by the heartland and adapt new attitudes when they lived among the people they've been taught to hate. They might become tainted by the work ethic.



We can only hope. That way when they return to New New Orleans, 25% of the population won't be on welfare. That way the state will have more money to take necessary action next time they get hit.
Link Posted: 9/6/2005 4:32:03 AM EDT

Originally Posted By Alpine:
"...where they were acculturated."

Excuse me, Jesse, while I vomitate. Who taught that fvcker English?

Alpine



Believe it or not, it is a word.

He is, however, using it wrong. The process of acculturation is one where the individual adopts the culture they are surrounded by. Mr. Jackson's worries about acculturation seem odd to me, as you would think that acculturating people in societies where looting and shooting at rescue workers is not normal would be desirable.
Link Posted: 9/6/2005 4:52:55 AM EDT
I thought the root of refugee was 'refuge'.

What else are these people seeking.

Jesse Jackson is a complete douchebag -- attempting to associate race with the word which means 'someone seeking shelter'?
Link Posted: 9/6/2005 4:56:01 AM EDT
How many did you invite to YOUR house Jesse?
Link Posted: 9/6/2005 5:01:15 AM EDT
Guys an ASSHAT.
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