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Posted: 3/28/2006 12:56:18 AM EDT
in Troy Oh anyway....I had to rescue a Savage bolt gun from the clutches of the sporting goods clerk today. I was picking up some cleaning supplies, and watched in horror as this monkey was trying to remove the bolt from the rifle.......with a hammer!!!!! I don't know why he was trying to get the bolt out of the weapon....but he didn't have a clue. Frankly I had never messed with Savage bolt actions, and was just going to mind my business.....till he asked for a hammer!!!!
Link Posted: 3/28/2006 1:08:18 AM EDT
OMG


And I bet he said he was a weapons expert on the employment application.

Link Posted: 3/28/2006 1:16:31 AM EDT
As far as I remember, you need only clear the weapon, and pull the bolt to th rear. Pull the trigger back and the bolt slides out. Same procedure for replacing said bolt.

Link Posted: 3/28/2006 1:26:35 AM EDT
I am pretty sure there is a bolt release that you depress to remove the bolt on a savage. It is located just in front of the bolt handle. Luckily my local Walmart has a guy with a Legit Class III ffL and alot of knowledge and love of firearms.... however he is a cockly arrogant SOB.
Link Posted: 3/28/2006 1:35:19 AM EDT

Originally Posted By Maxim_Mag:
As far as I remember, you need only clear the weapon, and pull the bolt to th rear. Pull the trigger back and the bolt slides out. Same procedure for replacing said bolt.




This one had a release....which is proably a little bent now.
Link Posted: 3/28/2006 1:36:34 AM EDT
Did you get a discount?
Link Posted: 3/28/2006 1:43:11 AM EDT

Originally Posted By Kalahnikid:
Did you get a discount?




Nope....I like to screw up my weapons myself
Link Posted: 3/28/2006 3:44:12 AM EDT
[Last Edit: 3/28/2006 3:45:21 AM EDT by Makarov]
I had a very similar experience at the Wal-Mart. I wanted to look at a Savage 110 from their case. The guy behind the counter pulls the rifle out and tries to open the action (I was impressed that he wanted to check the chamber) but the bolt would not open. He pulled and pulled, yanked and yanked but no luck. He then picked up a stapler and started to pound the bolt handle (at least he was using the rubber pad on the bottom of the stapler as the hammer). Like watching someone toture a cat I finally told him to stop. I then remembered that Savage guns have the tang safety which fully reward locks the bolt. I told the guy to check the safety and told him to push it forward. He did, and the bolt opened. Funny thing is he forgot to actually CHECK the chamber and magazine and just handed the gun to me. After a minute, I handed the rifle back and asked him if they had another one in the back that was still in the box. He started to check the books but finally said "I think this is the last one, do you want it" I wanted to say; does the combo stapler/bolt opener come with it but I didn't. I just told him that "I have had bad luck buying display models". He just looked at me with a "why would you have a problem" look.
Link Posted: 3/28/2006 11:08:34 AM EDT
On another site all the idiots talk about how they love to buy their guns at wally world

rj
Link Posted: 3/28/2006 11:16:28 AM EDT
It was a Salvage, a hammer is provided in the cleaning kit.
Link Posted: 3/28/2006 11:19:31 AM EDT

Originally Posted By rjay:
On another site all the idiots talk about how they love to buy their guns at wally world

rj



Certidied idiot here

If WM has a type of firearm I am looking for, then I will buy it there. They normally don't carry what I want. Although the weatherby 30-06 for $160 was a nice buy. The charles daly 20 for $25 wasn't bad either, winchester mod 70 in 270 with detachable mag for $125, mossberg 835 camo for $150......... yes please, don't buy firearms from walmart.


leaves more for this idiot
Link Posted: 3/28/2006 11:33:33 AM EDT

Originally Posted By Kooter:

Originally Posted By rjay:
On another site all the idiots talk about how they love to buy their guns at wally world

rj



Certidied idiot here

If WM has a type of firearm I am looking for, then I will buy it there. They normally don't carry what I want. Although the weatherby 30-06 for $160 was a nice buy. The charles daly 20 for $25 wasn't bad either, winchester mod 70 in 270 with detachable mag for $125, mossberg 835 camo for $150......... yes please, don't buy firearms from walmart.


leaves more for this idiot



Well if you are in the market for a Savage bolt gun........with a unused instruction manual Walmart in Troy Ohio has a deal for you!!!!
Link Posted: 3/28/2006 11:42:57 AM EDT
The only Wal-Mart gun I've ever been tempted to buy was a Henry Big-Boy chambered for .45LC. Though I was pleasantly surprised to see a Mini-14 in the same case. I guess they're not as evil as AR-15's.
Link Posted: 3/28/2006 11:53:56 AM EDT
Link Posted: 3/28/2006 12:00:50 PM EDT

Originally Posted By Aimless:


I think I would have been too shocked to stop him.




I started to walk away and just leave him to it......but I just couldn't.



JT said I should have hit him with the hammer....to make illustrate my point. He makes me proud when he talks like that.
Link Posted: 3/28/2006 3:34:23 PM EDT

Originally Posted By rjay:
On another site all the idiots talk about how they love to buy their guns at wally world

rj




Some of those idiots are right here on Arfcom . I have three so far .
Link Posted: 3/28/2006 3:46:33 PM EDT
[Last Edit: 3/28/2006 3:46:52 PM EDT by CLIP67]
Why the hell would anyone want to buy guns from China-mart? Announcing what you are buying over the store's PA and an escorted walk to the front door with the manager sound like a good time to you? Spend a few extra bucks and support your local dealer....
Link Posted: 3/28/2006 3:49:03 PM EDT

Originally Posted By Snerdly:

Originally Posted By rjay:
On another site all the idiots talk about how they love to buy their guns at wally world

rj




Some of those idiots are right here on Arfcom . I have three so far .






Link Posted: 3/28/2006 3:58:26 PM EDT

Originally Posted By BigBang:

Originally Posted By Snerdly:

Originally Posted By rjay:
On another site all the idiots talk about how they love to buy their guns at wally world

rj




Some of those idiots are right here on Arfcom . I have three so far .






Me too

Model 70 Winchester in .308
Rem 700 in .308
10/22 stainless rifle

All "MADE IN THE U.S.A." -- As are the Kolpin cases to go with them.
Link Posted: 3/28/2006 4:04:40 PM EDT

Originally Posted By CAAAwarfighter:
I am pretty sure there is a bolt release that you depress to remove the bolt on a savage. It is located just in front of the bolt handle. Luckily my local Walmart has a guy with a Legit Class III ffL and alot of knowledge and love of firearms.... however he is a cockly arrogant SOB.



There is no such thing as a class III FFL.
Link Posted: 3/28/2006 4:19:38 PM EDT

Originally Posted By CLIP67:
Why the hell would anyone want to buy guns from China-mart? Announcing what you are buying over the store's PA and an escorted walk to the front door with the manager sound like a good time to you? Spend a few extra bucks and support your local dealer....




What are you babbling about ? Nobody announced a damn thing . And the local Academy
store escorts you with handgun ammo . Even WalMart doesn't do that .

My " local dealers " are too freaking expensive , and WAY too arrogant . With the exception of one , and I do throw some business his way .
Link Posted: 3/28/2006 4:27:24 PM EDT
The highly skilled and intelligent WalMart personnel are eagerly waitiing to serve you!
Link Posted: 3/28/2006 4:31:44 PM EDT

Originally Posted By CAAAwarfighter:
I am pretty sure there is a bolt release that you depress to remove the bolt on a savage. It is located just in front of the bolt handle. Luckily my local Walmart has a guy with a Legit Class III ffL and alot of knowledge and love of firearms.... however he is a cockly arrogant SOB.

if hes a ffl and his has his sot to deal in nfa weapons why the hell is he working at walmart!
Link Posted: 3/28/2006 4:33:51 PM EDT
maybe he was following corporate policy to help Wally World rid themselves of selling firearms
Link Posted: 3/28/2006 4:35:24 PM EDT

Originally Posted By Snerdly:

Originally Posted By CLIP67:
Why the hell would anyone want to buy guns from China-mart? Announcing what you are buying over the store's PA and an escorted walk to the front door with the manager sound like a good time to you? Spend a few extra bucks and support your local dealer....




What are you babbling about ? Nobody announced a damn thing . And the local Academy
store escorts you with handgun ammo . Even WalMart doesn't do that .

My " local dealers " are too freaking expensive , and WAY too arrogant . With the exception of one , and I do throw some business his way .



Our local Wal-mart announces over the PA that a manager is needed for a firearm transaction, and then another announcement that you are leaving the store with a firearm. Then they escort you to the door carrying your gun. Want ammo? They question you on what it's for.

This isn't babbling, this is fact at our local store. I assumed this is company policy, but maybe it isn't. If you local dealer is an asshole, then by all means, go somewhere else. Personally, I'll always try to support the little guy (if his prices are reasonable - and my local dealers are) instead of a business that makes most of their money off of cheap labor in a communist country.
Link Posted: 3/28/2006 4:35:28 PM EDT

Originally Posted By weptek911:

Originally Posted By BigBang:

Originally Posted By Snerdly:

Originally Posted By rjay:
On another site all the idiots talk about how they love to buy their guns at wally world

rj




Some of those idiots are right here on Arfcom . I have three so far .






Me too

Model 70 Winchester in .308
Rem 700 in .308
10/22 stainless rifle

All "MADE IN THE U.S.A." -- As are the Kolpin cases to go with them.



Count me in as well.
Three Marlins;
17HMR
22 mag
17HM2

No one walked me to the door. The 17HMR I carried out without the box and with 100rds of ammo thrown in for 110$

I'm waiting for them to drop the price on a Remington .308 myself. I'm pretty sure they'll go lower than 298$
Link Posted: 3/28/2006 4:35:49 PM EDT

Originally Posted By CLIP67:
Why the hell would anyone want to buy guns from China-mart? Announcing what you are buying over the store's PA and an escorted walk to the front door with the manager sound like a good time to you? Spend a few extra bucks and support your local dealer....



I love that ignorant "China-mart" label.

Guess what, their percentage of goods made in China is no higher than any other big chain. That, plus some people have nowhere else to buy firearms. Some towns don't have dealers.

I personally have never bought a firearm from WalMart, but I am not going to make ignorant remarks about those that do.
Link Posted: 3/28/2006 4:37:14 PM EDT

Originally Posted By CLIP67:
Spend a few extra bucks and support your local dealer....



a few extra bucks, your joking right i have seen 10-22 in gun shops in maryland for 250 back when wally world was selling them for 150, then we talk about mossy 500 for 189 at wally world and 275 at gun shops

then we will talk about wwb 223 for 20 a 40 round box at gun shops, vrs 7.73 at WW
Link Posted: 3/28/2006 4:43:51 PM EDT

Originally Posted By LARRYG:

Originally Posted By CLIP67:
Why the hell would anyone want to buy guns from China-mart? Announcing what you are buying over the store's PA and an escorted walk to the front door with the manager sound like a good time to you? Spend a few extra bucks and support your local dealer....



I love that ignorant "China-mart" label.

Guess what, their percentage of goods made in China is no higher than any other big chain. That, plus some people have nowhere else to buy firearms. Some towns don't have dealers.

I personally have never bought a firearm from WalMart, but I am not going to make ignorant remarks about those that do.



If by "ignorant" you mean rude - please show me where in my post I called anyone a name or stated anything else off-color other than to question why someone would buy there - and I shared my experience with the local store. No need to get your shorts in a twist...
Link Posted: 3/28/2006 5:14:55 PM EDT

Originally Posted By scotty1911:

Originally Posted By CLIP67:
Spend a few extra bucks and support your local dealer....



a few extra bucks, your joking right i have seen 10-22 in gun shops in maryland for 250 back when wally world was selling them for 150, then we talk about mossy 500 for 189 at wally world and 275 at gun shops

then we will talk about wwb 223 for 20 a 40 round box at gun shops, vrs 7.739.98 at WW




Fixed
Link Posted: 3/28/2006 5:38:27 PM EDT

" Ignorant " as defined by WEBSTER'S means " A lack of knowledge or experience " .

Link Posted: 3/28/2006 5:50:01 PM EDT

Originally Posted By CLIP67:

Originally Posted By LARRYG:

Originally Posted By CLIP67:
Why the hell would anyone want to buy guns from China-mart? Announcing what you are buying over the store's PA and an escorted walk to the front door with the manager sound like a good time to you? Spend a few extra bucks and support your local dealer....



I love that ignorant "China-mart" label.

Guess what, their percentage of goods made in China is no higher than any other big chain. That, plus some people have nowhere else to buy firearms. Some towns don't have dealers.

I personally have never bought a firearm from WalMart, but I am not going to make ignorant remarks about those that do.



If by "ignorant" you mean rude - please show me where in my post I called anyone a name or stated anything else off-color other than to question why someone would buy there - and I shared my experience with the local store. No need to get your shorts in a twist...



Ignorant does not mean rude. It means you lack knowledge of a given subject. Calling the China-mart is ignorant. Why would anyone buy there? How about price.

If you think I have my shorts in a twist, you are mistaken.
Link Posted: 3/28/2006 6:01:53 PM EDT

Originally Posted By Aimless:


I think I would have been too shocked to stop him.



I would’ve run to electronics and bought a digital camera...

Let this be a lesson to you all! Morons are much more humorous when you have a visual aid.
Link Posted: 3/28/2006 6:07:22 PM EDT

Originally Posted By LARRYG:

Originally Posted By CLIP67:

Originally Posted By LARRYG:

Originally Posted By CLIP67:
Why the hell would anyone want to buy guns from China-mart? Announcing what you are buying over the store's PA and an escorted walk to the front door with the manager sound like a good time to you? Spend a few extra bucks and support your local dealer....



I love that ignorant "China-mart" label.

Guess what, their percentage of goods made in China is no higher than any other big chain. That, plus some people have nowhere else to buy firearms. Some towns don't have dealers.

I personally have never bought a firearm from WalMart, but I am not going to make ignorant remarks about those that do.



If by "ignorant" you mean rude - please show me where in my post I called anyone a name or stated anything else off-color other than to question why someone would buy there - and I shared my experience with the local store. No need to get your shorts in a twist...



Ignorant does not mean rude. It means you lack knowledge of a given subject. Calling the China-mart is ignorant. Why would anyone buy there? How about price.

If you think I have my shorts in a twist, you are mistaken.



Wrong. It's not ignorant - it's informed, as a very high percentage of their goods come from China. This is obvious to anyone that buys there. I assumed you knew that and were using the word in another context (rude) as is quite prevalant in my area. In any event, I'll nickname the store as I wish.

BTW, glad your shorts are OK.
Link Posted: 3/28/2006 7:14:37 PM EDT

Originally Posted By CLIP67:

Wrong. It's not ignorant - it's informed, as a very high percentage of their goods come from China. This is obvious to anyone that buys there. I assumed you knew that and were using the word in another context (rude) as is quite prevalant in my area. In any event, I'll nickname the store as I wish.

BTW, glad your shorts are OK.




Last year WM spent $150 billion on goods purchased from US suppliers, They spent $19 billion on goods from China.........Informed you say?
Link Posted: 3/28/2006 7:21:54 PM EDT

Originally Posted By CLIP67:

Originally Posted By Snerdly:

Originally Posted By CLIP67:
Why the hell would anyone want to buy guns from China-mart? Announcing what you are buying over the store's PA and an escorted walk to the front door with the manager sound like a good time to you? Spend a few extra bucks and support your local dealer....




What are you babbling about ? Nobody announced a damn thing . And the local Academy
store escorts you with handgun ammo . Even WalMart doesn't do that .

My " local dealers " are too freaking expensive , and WAY too arrogant . With the exception of one , and I do throw some business his way .



Our local Wal-mart announces over the PA that a manager is needed for a firearm transaction, and then another announcement that you are leaving the store with a firearm. Then they escort you to the door carrying your gun. Want ammo? They question you on what it's for.

This isn't babbling, this is fact at our local store. I assumed this is company policy, but maybe it isn't. If you local dealer is an asshole, then by all means, go somewhere else. Personally, I'll always try to support the little guy (if his prices are reasonable - and my local dealers are) instead of a business that makes most of their money off of cheap labor in a communist country.




They don't go through all of that in Missouri stores.

BTW--I'm guessing you're not a big fan of us buying an SKS.
Link Posted: 3/28/2006 7:45:07 PM EDT
I've purchased several guns from WM. All have been great guns.
Link Posted: 3/28/2006 7:59:39 PM EDT
[Last Edit: 3/28/2006 11:42:50 PM EDT by CLIP67]

Originally Posted By Kooter:

Originally Posted By CLIP67:

Wrong. It's not ignorant - it's informed, as a very high percentage of their goods come from China. This is obvious to anyone that buys there. I assumed you knew that and were using the word in another context (rude) as is quite prevalant in my area. In any event, I'll nickname the store as I wish.

BTW, glad your shorts are OK.




Last year WM spent $150 billion on goods purchased from US suppliers, They spent $19 billion on goods from China.........Informed you say?



Sounds like better than 10% doesn't it? Admittedly, not as high as I thought, but still awfully high. China is a country that imprisons people for practicing their personal religious beliefs and speaking out about the government. They also torture innocent people at will.

In the latest issue of The New American magazine, they highlight a woman in China that was brutally tortuted for over seven hours by electric shock to her face before finally dying - there are some graphic pics in the magazine of the woman. Her face was all torn up. She had committed no crime. This is the country you are doing business with everytime you buy something made in China, be it at Wal-Mart, Target or other.

ONLY 19 Billion you say? Sounds like 19 billion too much to me. We beat the Russians in the cold war because they couldn't compete economically. How do you expect to topple the communist chinese government when we are in essence backing them economically? The Chinese government's military expenditures as part of their budget is in the double digits. China's army is in the millions of soldiers. They steal our military technology. Who do you think they are gearing up to fight? Where do you think the money for this miltary spending is coming from?

Communism and capitalism are merging. This should scare the hell out of you. Big business has bought the politicians, so they can make a buck in communist countries like China and Vietnam. And the evil empires grow... Mark my words - we WILL fight them again sooner or later, be it over oil or other. Thats your son and mine. So go save a few bucks, and help to prop up the commies a little more.
Link Posted: 3/28/2006 8:00:22 PM EDT
I think a lot of wal-marts ask you what the ammo is for because according to the ATF regs the age limit for selling handgun ammo is higher than for selling rifle ammo. They are covering their ass. They aren't asking what you are going to shoot with it, only the type of firearm the ammo is going to be used in... I always reply rifle...

As far as the carrying the gun out of the store I always find it humorous since I've been carrying my CCW on a couple occasions when I bought a gun at wally world! lol It's their policy... does it really matter? At least now they make managers check the sales so they don't endanger their FFL"s with stupid mistakes by untrained employees.

I value Wal-Mart's gun departments. I figure the more FFL's there are out there the better off we all are. Why not support them and give them incentive to stay in the gun business? Would you rather they stopped selling them and began contributing to the brady center?

I have bought several guns at wal-mart. No lemons yet. If I need a cheap functional .22 or shotty, they are often my first stop.

Finally for the poster who mentioned the percentage of chinese suppliers vs. US supplier who wal-mart buys from... What percentage of the "US suppliers'" products are actually produced domestically? Levi Strauss is a US company, but how many articles of clothing are made here by them? According to a recent article I read that percentage would be ZERO...

Not trying to flame you, but I feel you are omitting certain facts in your defense against the China-mart label...

Just my $.02...
Link Posted: 3/28/2006 8:05:18 PM EDT

Originally Posted By Burley:
I've purchased several guns from WM. All have been great guns.



I guessing that the Savage was ok...even after the counter help "gunsmithed it". But I'm also sure that if I had not been there to help...it wouldn't have been pretty.
Link Posted: 3/28/2006 8:29:37 PM EDT

Originally Posted By Kooter:

Originally Posted By CLIP67:

Wrong. It's not ignorant - it's informed, as a very high percentage of their goods come from China. This is obvious to anyone that buys there. I assumed you knew that and were using the word in another context (rude) as is quite prevalant in my area. In any event, I'll nickname the store as I wish.

BTW, glad your shorts are OK.




Last year WM spent $150 billion on goods purchased from US suppliers, They spent $19 billion on goods from China.........Informed you say?




I'm not tryin to bust up ya'lls pissin contest, ....hell, I don't even wanta get involved,

But I do wonder............

150 Billion (cost for made in USA)
19 Billion (cost for made in China )

Which Wal-Mart pile is bigger?
Link Posted: 3/28/2006 8:30:48 PM EDT

Originally Posted By CLIP67:

In the latest issue of The New American magazine, they highlight a woman in China that was brutally tortuted for over seven hours by electric shock to her face before finally dying - there are some shocking pics in the magazine of the woman.



Sorry. Just had to.
Link Posted: 3/28/2006 11:38:32 PM EDT

Originally Posted By GoGop:

Originally Posted By CLIP67:
Originally Posted By Snerdly:
Originally Posted By CLIP67:
.




They don't go through all of that in Missouri stores.

BTW--I'm guessing you're not a big fan of us buying an SKS.



I have a Yugoslavian SKS. I also have a Norinco MAK-90 (chinese), that I bought in the early 90's when I was just getting into guns and didn't know any better. But, no, I don't purchase Chinese arms now.

Link Posted: 3/28/2006 11:41:27 PM EDT

Originally Posted By GoGop:

Originally Posted By CLIP67:

In the latest issue of The New American magazine, they highlight a woman in China that was brutally tortuted for over seven hours by electric shock to her face before finally dying - there are some shocking pics in the magazine of the woman.



Sorry. Just had to.



Oops... Better change that one... done.
Link Posted: 3/28/2006 11:52:22 PM EDT

Originally Posted By StonerStudent:
in Troy Oh anyway....I had to rescue a Savage bolt gun from the clutches of the sporting goods clerk today. I was picking up some cleaning supplies, and watched in horror as this monkey was trying to remove the bolt from the rifle.......with a hammer!!!!! I don't know why he was trying to get the bolt out of the weapon....but he didn't have a clue. Frankly I had never messed with Savage bolt actions, and was just going to mind my business.....till he asked for a hammer!!!!



I am sure this guy was ex Speacil Rangers Seal Forces in the Marines.
Link Posted: 3/28/2006 11:56:07 PM EDT
[Last Edit: 3/28/2006 11:59:37 PM EDT by 53vortec]
Good friend of mine was a 45B Small Weapons Repairer in the US Army, is a civilian trained & certified gunsmith, and has recieved factory armorer's courses from Colt, Glock, Sig, and Mossberg.

Where did Wal-Mart see fit to have him work in the store? Why, the dairy department, of course.
Link Posted: 3/29/2006 12:02:07 AM EDT

Originally Posted By the_great_snag:


I value Wal-Mart's gun departments. I figure the more FFL's there are out there the better off we all are. Why not support them and give them incentive to stay in the gun business? Would you rather they stopped selling them and began contributing to the brady center?




This is a good argument, but consider the flip side: Smaller gun shops that are geographically close steadily lose business to Wal-mart as they cannot compete with Wally-Worlds high volume buying and pricing. They eventually close their doors as they cannot compete with the low prices, and still remain open. Now you have only Wal-mart selling guns (and maybe a few others). What happens if Wal-Mart decides to pull a K-Mart and go PC on us - no longer selling ANY firearms. Now you are in a pickle as the little guys were run off and Wally World pulled up the anchor.

Before you say that couldn't happen, remember we live in uncertain times and all it would take is the wrong kind of tragedy somewhere and big business will settle on the side of least political resistance or bad publicity.

Far-fetched and unlikely, but it could happen in some areas. I agree, the more FFLs around, the better, but I think that Wal-Mart will eventually cost us dealers in the long run.
Link Posted: 3/29/2006 2:46:33 AM EDT
But my question remains unanswered... How many of those US suppliers are having their goods manufactured offshore; probably in China?

Levi Strauss is a US supplier. The last I heard they make none of their product in the United States....
Link Posted: 3/29/2006 7:26:34 AM EDT

Originally Posted By CLIP67:

Originally Posted By the_great_snag:


I value Wal-Mart's gun departments. I figure the more FFL's there are out there the better off we all are. Why not support them and give them incentive to stay in the gun business? Would you rather they stopped selling them and began contributing to the brady center?




This is a good argument, but consider the flip side: Smaller gun shops that are geographically close steadily lose business to Wal-mart as they cannot compete with Wally-Worlds high volume buying and pricing. They eventually close their doors as they cannot compete with the low prices, and still remain open. Now you have only Wal-mart selling guns (and maybe a few others). What happens if Wal-Mart decides to pull a K-Mart and go PC on us - no longer selling ANY firearms. Now you are in a pickle as the little guys were run off and Wally World pulled up the anchor.

Before you say that couldn't happen, remember we live in uncertain times and all it would take is the wrong kind of tragedy somewhere and big business will settle on the side of least political resistance or bad publicity.

Far-fetched and unlikely, but it could happen in some areas. I agree, the more FFLs around, the better, but I think that Wal-Mart will eventually cost us dealers in the long run.



To be honest I don't see Walmart as a big threat to FFL dealers....they really don't carry much as far as "non hunting guns" and the they don't carry any handguns at all. The regular dealers may get beat up alittle on the price of a plain jane Remington 870 or Savage 110. But in the long run the FLL dealer will have the "gun nut" market pretty much covered.
Link Posted: 3/29/2006 7:50:20 AM EDT

Originally Posted By StonerStudent:
in Troy Oh anyway....I had to rescue a Savage bolt gun from the clutches of the sporting goods clerk today. I was picking up some cleaning supplies, and watched in horror as this monkey was trying to remove the bolt from the rifle.......with a hammer!!!!! I don't know why he was trying to get the bolt out of the weapon....but he didn't have a clue. Frankly I had never messed with Savage bolt actions, and was just going to mind my business.....till he asked for a hammer!!!!



"$20 and I will show you how to take it out!"
Link Posted: 3/29/2006 8:20:19 AM EDT

Originally Posted By CLIP67:

Originally Posted By the_great_snag:


I value Wal-Mart's gun departments. I figure the more FFL's there are out there the better off we all are. Why not support them and give them incentive to stay in the gun business? Would you rather they stopped selling them and began contributing to the brady center?




This is a good argument, but consider the flip side: Smaller gun shops that are geographically close steadily lose business to Wal-mart as they cannot compete with Wally-Worlds high volume buying and pricing. They eventually close their doors as they cannot compete with the low prices, and still remain open. Now you have only Wal-mart selling guns (and maybe a few others). What happens if Wal-Mart decides to pull a K-Mart and go PC on us - no longer selling ANY firearms. Now you are in a pickle as the little guys were run off and Wally World pulled up the anchor.

Before you say that couldn't happen, remember we live in uncertain times and all it would take is the wrong kind of tragedy somewhere and big business will settle on the side of least political resistance or bad publicity.

Far-fetched and unlikely, but it could happen in some areas. I agree, the more FFLs around, the better, but I think that Wal-Mart will eventually cost us dealers in the long run.



B.S. First off, Wal-Mart will never put gun dealers out of business - they don't have the selection. No handguns whatsoever (except for Alaska), and only the cheapest, simplest hunting rifles. Only the stereotypical Elmer Fudd would be satisfied with Wal-Mart's selection. Hell, even they might not - no fancy $4k engraved shotguns. Where's the military surplus? High-cap semi-autos? Long-range target rifles? High-powered stuff? Then, there's ammo and accessories. Wal-Mart has a few boxes of the cheapest ammo around, no good hollowpoints or serious defensive ammo, and usually not very much of what they do have. No magazines for anything, or parts. A couple of cheap scopes, and generic slings, and that's about it. You'd have to be running the crappiest gunstore in the country for Wal-Mart to put you out of business. Hell, my closet probably has a better selection then Wal-Mart.

If Wal-Mart somehow became a decent gun store and ran all the other gun stores out of business, and then decided to pull it all then... (might want to pause, radical concept here) The gun dealers will come back! As long as there's a demand, someone will be around to fill it. There's millions of people who want to buy guns, and thousands of people employed making firearms and ammo for all of them. They're not going to pack up and go home because Wal-Mart pulled some silly trick.

Also, see www.john-ross.net/walmart_ii.htm
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