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Posted: 11/2/2004 12:50:36 PM EST
Is this the coolest of the ugliest gun you have every seen?
I like how it operates but damn I think it’s ugly. But then I guess a ugly gun is a more respected gun…
Link Posted: 11/2/2004 12:51:11 PM EST
I like the way it looks, and I hate the way toad has buttfucked the design.
Link Posted: 11/2/2004 12:52:16 PM EST
I love everything about it except the fact that I can't own one.$$$$$$$
Link Posted: 11/2/2004 12:52:36 PM EST
Are there full capacity magazines for that gun?
Link Posted: 11/2/2004 12:54:14 PM EST
I love any gun i CAN'T get in kali
Link Posted: 11/2/2004 12:55:29 PM EST
[Last Edit: 11/2/2004 12:55:56 PM EST by Nexus6]
UMP yes, USC no.

Only in 45. The 9mm mags look goofy in polymer.
Link Posted: 11/2/2004 12:57:00 PM EST
Is that the .45? i like the .45.
Link Posted: 11/2/2004 12:57:56 PM EST
Seriously dude, don't post a post like this without a picture.

Am I supposed to REMEMBER what it looks like? I can barely remember my own name!
Link Posted: 11/2/2004 1:00:38 PM EST
[Last Edit: 11/2/2004 1:01:29 PM EST by AILapua]
I owned a UMP45 for nearly a year. I have had very good service from many of the firearms made by HK but, there are issues with the UMP line of firearms. I sold this 'new high tech' firearm and would not advise a friend to buy one.

YMMV.
Link Posted: 11/2/2004 1:01:09 PM EST
[Last Edit: 11/2/2004 1:02:10 PM EST by Mauser101]

Originally Posted By DK-Prof:
Seriously dude, don't post a post like this without a picture.

Am I supposed to REMEMBER what it looks like? I can barely remember my own name!



I love the way the UMP looks, unless it's a civy legal one. The gun was not designed to sport a 16" barrel and the .45 round doesn't need one.

For you DK.


I friggin hate the 16" rule.
Link Posted: 11/2/2004 1:08:34 PM EST
Yes. If HK made one that could be SBR'd, I'd pick one up in a minute.
Link Posted: 11/2/2004 1:12:32 PM EST
As I recall the issue are slow rate of fire and heavy recoil. What else?
Link Posted: 11/2/2004 1:13:58 PM EST

Originally Posted By Mauser101:
I love the way the UMP looks, unless it's a civy legal one. The gun was not designed to sport a 16" barrel and the .45 round doesn't need one.

For you DK.
www.hrvatski-vojnik.hr/hrvatski-vojnik/812002/81_bpictures/Ump45=1.jpg

I friggin hate the 16" rule.



Nice - with a SBR version, I'd be all over a .45 like that - but I agree, a long barrel jsut looks freakish.
Link Posted: 11/2/2004 1:22:28 PM EST
[Last Edit: 11/2/2004 1:22:50 PM EST by Mauser101]

Originally Posted By DK-Prof:

Originally Posted By Mauser101:
I love the way the UMP looks, unless it's a civy legal one. The gun was not designed to sport a 16" barrel and the .45 round doesn't need one.

For you DK.
www.hrvatski-vojnik.hr/hrvatski-vojnik/812002/81_bpictures/Ump45=1.jpg

I friggin hate the 16" rule.



Nice - with a SBR version, I'd be all over a .45 like that - but I agree, a long barrel jsut looks freakish.



Kindof like a Thompson really. I'd personally love to own a short barrel Thomspon, but I just can't justify it with that long thing hanging off the end.
Link Posted: 11/2/2004 1:23:20 PM EST

Originally Posted By Combat_Jack:
As I recall the issue are slow rate of fire and heavy recoil. What else?



The rail mounting inserts, if torqued to 'spec', many have / will break loose. That being said, HK's response to such is, buy a new upper. I have seen this occur on nine (9) different uppers.

I had the opportunity to run a day course in which the temperature was -34ºF. Since this firearm was my own, I decided against such as I seen two others break from the cold. That being said, why own a tool that you know has issues (problems)? If you do not have confidence in the firearm, one might as well remain home where the coffee is hot.

Lastly, it is still only a sub-caliber, for its intended use, it may suit the user but, for a shoulder fired arm, it did not / does not suit my needs and or requirements.

YMMV.
Link Posted: 11/2/2004 1:24:26 PM EST
Zero recoil nearly and 100% reliable, put a fake can on that 16 " and its badass.
Link Posted: 11/2/2004 1:37:11 PM EST
I liked the one I rented at the range (USC), but the front sight shroud was broken. If the plastic can't handle being finger-fucked by ghetto-goblins, it's not good enough for me.

Dave
Link Posted: 11/2/2004 2:01:46 PM EST
[Last Edit: 11/2/2004 2:07:11 PM EST by -Duke-Nukem-]
Inside source tells me the UMP isn't going over well. It was designed as a lower cost option for LEOs and militaries who didn't want to shell out for the "Cadillac" Mp5, but it would probably have been a better idea to put the research and development money into developing a .45acp Mp5. The UMP is not as popular despite lighter weight and additional features like an AR15 style bolt hold open.

Not that HK ever wastes research and development money...

EDIT: Right click, save to your harddrive for a video of the UMP in action curtesy of HK PRO.

www.hkpro.com/video/UMP.mov







Like the M4 carbine, I think the UMP looks more evil if you hang crap all over it. I always thought it would be stylish to hold and cover over a perp with your UMP and say, "The ump says 'you're out', nigga!"

I'm sure nobody else has thought of that before. For a gun dork I'm creative, eh?
Link Posted: 11/2/2004 2:06:03 PM EST

Originally Posted By -Duke-Nukem-:
Inside source tells me the UMP isn't going over well. It was designed as a lower cost option for LEOs and militaries who didn't want to shell out for the "Cadillac" Mp5, but it would probably have been a better idea to put the research and development money into developing a .45acp Mp5.

Not that HK ever wastes research and development money...



That reminds me. Does H&K still manufacture and sell the MP5/10mm version? I always thought MP5s with straight, fat mags looked pretty cool.
Link Posted: 11/2/2004 2:08:37 PM EST
[Last Edit: 11/2/2004 2:10:41 PM EST by PBIR]
UMP, mmmmm:





USC, no thanks:

Link Posted: 11/2/2004 2:10:02 PM EST
[Last Edit: 11/2/2004 2:10:24 PM EST by -Duke-Nukem-]
Mauser:

Nope, HK doesn't make the 10mm anymore as far as I know. They were for an FBI contract when 10mm was all the rage back in the 80s, the idea was to have commonality of ammo with the FBI sidearms. When the FBI transitioned to .40S&W, HK came out with the Mp5/40, which is a cool model as well. But they were never widely circulated, if you come across one its probably hanging on an FBI agent's chest.

There are videos on the HKPRO website that show the Mp5/10 to be less controllable on full auto than its 9mm sibling. But it would certainly hurt more on the receiving end too!!
Link Posted: 11/2/2004 2:11:53 PM EST
UMP .45 , very nice. SBR of course. I would love one.
Link Posted: 11/2/2004 2:14:35 PM EST
Yes!


Link Posted: 11/2/2004 2:15:19 PM EST

Originally Posted By PBIR:
UMP, mmmmm:

www.filmwaffen.de/umpsd.jpg

www.hkpro.com/umpfold.jpg

USC, no thanks:

www.filmwaffen.de/usc.jpg



Would it be legal to cut that butt ugly butt off of it? Or at least the pistol grip-stock bridge thingy.
Link Posted: 11/2/2004 2:16:45 PM EST
It would be legal to replace that crap with what Hepcat 85 has on his.
Link Posted: 11/2/2004 2:18:15 PM EST
Kinda cool, but wouldnt shell out the money they want
Link Posted: 11/2/2004 2:23:14 PM EST

Originally Posted By hepcat85:
Yes!


img.photobucket.com/albums/v311/hepcat85/UMP1red.jpg



I love the way this bad boy looks, even with the longer barrell (izzat 16"? looks a little shorter)
Unfortunately, they cost around 2,200 like this and w/o the holosight... too much for me to spend on a toy

Link Posted: 11/2/2004 2:24:42 PM EST

Originally Posted By legalese77:

Originally Posted By hepcat85:
Yes!


img.photobucket.com/albums/v311/hepcat85/UMP1red.jpg



I love the way this bad boy looks, even with the longer barrell (izzat 16"? looks a little shorter)
Unfortunately, they cost around 2,200 like this and w/o the holosight... too much for me to spend on a toy




More like $1600
Link Posted: 11/2/2004 2:29:55 PM EST

Originally Posted By MrClean4Hire:

More like $1600



How could I do it that cheap?...isn't the USC $1000 w/o tax and fees? I saw completed conversions for $2,250.00... I suppose it would be cheaper to do yourself...course, I wouldn't know where to start or what the hell I was doing.... If I could do it for $1,600 out the door... I'd start doing some serious rebudgeting to try to create the money for that project
Link Posted: 11/2/2004 2:30:08 PM EST

Would it be legal to cut that butt ugly butt off of it? Or at least the pistol grip-stock bridge thingy.



They had to make it a non-pistol grip to import it. However, if they build that factory in the US they are talking about maybe we'll see this:

Link Posted: 11/2/2004 2:35:30 PM EST
[Last Edit: 11/2/2004 2:36:19 PM EST by -Duke-Nukem-]

Originally Posted By PBIR:

Would it be legal to cut that butt ugly butt off of it? Or at least the pistol grip-stock bridge thingy.



They had to make it a non-pistol grip to import it. However, if they build that factory in the US they are talking about maybe we'll see this:

www.pointblankindoorrange.com/images/usccollapsible.jpg



Well, they'll use the original side folding stock, not the collapsible Mp5 stock. Looks like this:



Guys, make no mistake about it, HK USA is watching today's election very closely. There's basically no reason for them to tool up to make long guns for us if Kerry gets elected. If Bush keeps his job, they have a four year window to sell long guns to civvies in the USA during which they can be reasonably sure their products won't get banned.
Link Posted: 11/2/2004 2:35:36 PM EST

Originally Posted By PBIR:

Would it be legal to cut that butt ugly butt off of it? Or at least the pistol grip-stock bridge thingy.



They had to make it a non-pistol grip to import it. However, if they build that factory in the US they are talking about maybe we'll see this:

www.pointblankindoorrange.com/images/usccollapsible.jpg



I still think HK will make money off semi G36 more so than semi UMP..?
Link Posted: 11/2/2004 2:41:55 PM EST
Maybe, although if I was going to waste money buying one of their sure to be over-priced longarms it would be the .45acp usc with a collapsible stock. Already plenty of 5.56 rifles around.
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