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Posted: 9/26/2004 5:16:28 AM EST
[Last Edit: 9/26/2004 5:23:50 AM EST by repub18]
A KelTec Sub2000? and how do you like it? I was thinking about getting the 9mm and then getting a 30 round glock mag for it.


www.kel-tec.com/prod03.htm
Link Posted: 9/26/2004 5:28:27 AM EST
kel tec
Link Posted: 9/26/2004 5:29:27 AM EST

Originally Posted By peekay:
kel tec




it would just be for plinking
Link Posted: 9/26/2004 5:30:20 AM EST
yeah, they are a fun plinking gun.. I wouldnt use it as self defense gun...
Link Posted: 9/26/2004 5:31:59 AM EST

Originally Posted By repub18:

Originally Posted By peekay:
kel tec




it would just be for plinking



Then save up and get a Storm. You'll be saving yourself a lot of trouble.
Link Posted: 9/26/2004 5:55:34 AM EST

Originally Posted By peekay:

Originally Posted By repub18:

Originally Posted By peekay:
kel tec




it would just be for plinking



Then save up and get a Storm. You'll be saving yourself a lot of trouble.




can you use glock mags for the storm or just 92 mags??
Link Posted: 9/26/2004 5:56:39 AM EST

Originally Posted By repub18:

Originally Posted By peekay:

Originally Posted By repub18:

Originally Posted By peekay:
kel tec




it would just be for plinking



Then save up and get a Storm. You'll be saving yourself a lot of trouble.




can you use glock mags for the storm or just 92 mags??



Just 92 mags I believe.
Link Posted: 9/26/2004 6:07:05 AM EST
I really enjoy my Sub2000. It has never given me any problems and shoots a consistent minute of beercan. I am getting a few 30round glock mags for mine. check out kel-tec owners group at www.ktog.org
Link Posted: 9/26/2004 6:07:59 AM EST
[Last Edit: 9/26/2004 6:08:41 AM EST by MadProfessor]
I have one, its an awesome carbine. I keep it in a toolbox in the trunk of my car.







Everything a carbine should be, nothing it shouldn't
Link Posted: 9/26/2004 6:12:14 AM EST
[Last Edit: 9/26/2004 6:12:37 AM EST by TIMMAH]


I have one with the glock mags and it works great....An extremely fun plinker.



Link Posted: 9/26/2004 7:16:49 AM EST

Originally Posted By peekay:
Then save up and get a Storm. You'll be saving yourself a lot of trouble.



What trouble? I have never had a
FTF or FTE with mine. It has fired
over 500 rounds (rapid fire and slow
fire, etc) without a single hiccup.

Do you know of people who have
trouble with the Sub2000 specifically
or are your comments based on
KelTec's pistols?


Link Posted: 9/26/2004 8:22:39 AM EST
[Last Edit: 9/26/2004 8:24:19 AM EST by repub18]
I think I might just get one, I love the idea of the cheap high cap Glock mags now, and the fact you can fold the gun in half and keep it pretty concealed.
Link Posted: 9/26/2004 5:18:20 PM EST
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Link Posted: 9/26/2004 5:50:05 PM EST
Ok I'm confused.

How is this not a SBR?

Barrel looks <16 inches.

OAL folded is definitely <26 inches.

WTF am I just stupid?
Link Posted: 9/26/2004 5:56:27 PM EST

Originally Posted By Cabby:
Ok I'm confused.

How is this not a SBR?

Barrel looks <16 inches.

OAL folded is definitely <26 inches.

WTF am I just stupid?



True, but it cannot be fired in the folded position. Therefore, the fact that it is less than 26" OAL while folded is moot.
Link Posted: 9/26/2004 5:56:44 PM EST

Originally Posted By Cabby:
Ok I'm confused.

How is this not a SBR?

Barrel looks <16 inches.

OAL folded is definitely <26 inches.

WTF am I just stupid?



when its folded it is breached at the chamber
Link Posted: 9/26/2004 5:57:22 PM EST

Originally Posted By Cabby:
Ok I'm confused.

How is this not a SBR?

Barrel looks <16 inches.

OAL folded is definitely <26 inches.

WTF am I just stupid?



From the spec sheet :

Length open 29.5" 749 mm
Length closed 16" 406 mm
Barrel length 16.1" 408 mm

My only ? is how can it be 16" closed when the barrel is 16.1"?!?
Link Posted: 9/26/2004 6:12:34 PM EST
No problems with mine, VERY FUN gun. Minute of beer can for me too.

everyone who shoots it has much fun!
Link Posted: 9/26/2004 6:23:03 PM EST

Originally Posted By Dilbert_556:

Originally Posted By Cabby:
Ok I'm confused.

How is this not a SBR?

Barrel looks <16 inches.

OAL folded is definitely <26 inches.

WTF am I just stupid?



From the spec sheet :

Length open 29.5" 749 mm
Length closed 16" 406 mm
Barrel length 16.1" 408 mm

My only ? is how can it be 16" closed when the barrel is 16.1"?!?




The barrel is the longest part when its closed and its a bit more then 16". I measured it when looking for a toolbox.
Link Posted: 9/26/2004 10:13:19 PM EST

I rather like mine. No failures of any kind. The only problem I've had is when I tried some AWFUL POS aftermarket 30 round mags from Sportsmans Guide and screwed up my mag catch. Screwed up two of them the same way at the same time . I called Kel-Tec and they told me to send them both and they would reimburse me for the shipping. I paid for the shipping (didnt ask for a reimbursement) and got my rifles back much sooner than I expected. They were completely fixed and have been 100% since then. I can't compare them to a Storm because I've never shot one, but I think they compare favorably to the Hi-Point carbine. I would reccomend a Kel-Tec without hesitation. My understanding is that the 9mm out of a 16" barrel is comparable tp a .357 mag out of a pistol. They arent as accurate as my AR, but definatly useable as a plinker inside of 150 yards or so.
Link Posted: 9/27/2004 11:58:45 AM EST
[Last Edit: 9/27/2004 11:58:58 AM EST by Carbine_Man]

Originally Posted By peekay:
kel tec


Double Friends don't let friends buy Kel-Crap.
Link Posted: 9/27/2004 12:11:23 PM EST
[Last Edit: 9/27/2004 12:15:32 PM EST by fight4yourrights]
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Link Posted: 9/27/2004 12:17:16 PM EST

Originally Posted By Carbine_Man:

Originally Posted By peekay:
kel tec


Double Friends don't let friends buy Kel-Crap.



yeah but Id be buying in mostly for a truck gun, I like the idea of it folding it half. I wont be using it for combat situations or anything
Link Posted: 9/27/2004 12:18:13 PM EST
Got the Kel-Tec Sub 2000 in 40. I Like it a lot!! works great. shoots nice and accurate. has not failed.
Link Posted: 9/27/2004 12:19:01 PM EST
I have a Sub2000 in 9mm. Kicks ass. Love it. Accurate. Folds in half. Hasn't failed me yet.

I don't play baseball with it like everyone else though, so wtf do I know?
Link Posted: 9/27/2004 1:45:56 PM EST
does the glock one work with 19 mags or only 17/18 mags?
Link Posted: 9/27/2004 1:51:13 PM EST

Originally Posted By cyrax777:
does the glock one work with 19 mags or only 17/18 mags?




I think it takes all 9mm glock mags
Link Posted: 9/27/2004 2:02:13 PM EST

Originally Posted By repub18:

Originally Posted By cyrax777:
does the glock one work with 19 mags or only 17/18 mags?




I think it takes all 9mm glock mags



Nope:



-- 9mm: Glock 17, Glock 19, S&W 59, Beretta 92, SIG 226

-- .40 S&W: Glock 22, S&W 4006, Beretta 96, SIG 229



I can only speak to G17/19, however.

Link Posted: 9/27/2004 3:25:37 PM EST

Originally Posted By TheCynic:

Originally Posted By repub18:

Originally Posted By cyrax777:
does the glock one work with 19 mags or only 17/18 mags?




I think it takes all 9mm glock mags



Nope:



-- 9mm: Glock 17, Glock 19, S&W 59, Beretta 92, SIG 226

-- .40 S&W: Glock 22, S&W 4006, Beretta 96, SIG 229



I can only speak to G17/19, however.




oh ok cuz ive been stocking up on glock 19 magazines for when I get a glock 19. And since the keltec uses glock magazines im thinking about picking one up know as a fun plinker since 9mm is so cheap.
Link Posted: 9/27/2004 3:30:18 PM EST
tag
Link Posted: 9/27/2004 3:31:43 PM EST
cdnn has some 30 round 9mm Glock Factory mags in
Link Posted: 9/27/2004 4:11:13 PM EST

Originally Posted By cyrax777:

Originally Posted By TheCynic:

Nope:



-- 9mm: Glock 17, Glock 19, S&W 59, Beretta 92, SIG 226

-- .40 S&W: Glock 22, S&W 4006, Beretta 96, SIG 229



I can only speak to G17/19, however.




oh ok cuz ive been stocking up on glock 19 magazines for when I get a glock 19. And since the keltec uses glock magazines im thinking about picking one up know as a fun plinker since 9mm is so cheap.



That'll work. I did the same thing
thinking that I was going to get a
G19 (ended up getting a CZ75B
).

My Sub2K will eat any 9mm I throw
at it too. This is a good thing since
I bought a case of S&B that my CZ
will not extract.

Good luck - let me know if you have
anymore questions about it.
Link Posted: 9/27/2004 4:54:34 PM EST
This is another rifle that I'd like to get as it's a great deal for the money. I went to the gunshow this weekend and seen quite a few of them in the $250 range, their ability to fold into such a compact space is something that I really like. One step up from my .22lr backpack plinkers and cheap to shoot as well ammo wise and I already have the Glock mags. I wouldn't buy a Kel Tec pistol but have yet to hear anyone not liking the Carbine, that is someone that actually owns one!
Link Posted: 9/27/2004 4:58:17 PM EST

Originally Posted By TheCynic:

Originally Posted By peekay:
Then save up and get a Storm. You'll be saving yourself a lot of trouble.



What trouble? I have never had a
FTF or FTE with mine. It has fired
over 500 rounds (rapid fire and slow
fire, etc) without a single hiccup.

Do you know of people who have
trouble with the Sub2000 specifically
or are your comments based on
KelTec's pistols?





My wife and I both have Kel-Tec pistols and have never had any problems with them.

Maybe they were just comments they overheard from the "Gun Show Seals" or he "Gun Show Jerky Guys" and not based on actual experience?

BigDozer66
Link Posted: 9/27/2004 5:01:33 PM EST
I have the .223 version, awesome little rifle that has yet to give me the slightest problems, even with Wolf ammo. If I were to be really nitpicky I'd have to say I don't like the dayglo orange front sight, but that's about it.
Link Posted: 9/27/2004 5:01:54 PM EST

Originally Posted By MadProfessor:
I have one, its an awesome carbine. I keep it in a toolbox in the trunk of my car.



www.hunt101.com/img/187554.jpg



Everything a carbine should be, nothing it shouldn't



Nice!

This is my "trunk" gun that I keep in the cab of my F-150!



BigDozer66
Link Posted: 9/27/2004 5:02:01 PM EST
Save your mony

Kel_Tec = JUNK
Link Posted: 9/27/2004 5:04:28 PM EST
[Last Edit: 9/27/2004 5:30:44 PM EST by repub18]
I would defineltly not get the SU16 though
Link Posted: 9/27/2004 5:05:55 PM EST

Originally Posted By BigDozer66:

Originally Posted By MadProfessor:
I have one, its an awesome carbine. I keep it in a toolbox in the trunk of my car.



www.hunt101.com/img/187554.jpg



Everything a carbine should be, nothing it shouldn't



Nice!

This is my "trunk" gun that I keep in the cab of my F-150!

img.photobucket.com/albums/v373/BigDozer66/AK47underfolder2.jpg

BigDozer66




is that a Global Trades gun??
Link Posted: 9/27/2004 5:12:52 PM EST


I have two of the older carbines - the Sub 9. Mine have machined aluminum receivers instead of the polymer ones.

Mine are great. Very accurate. Very reliable.

My pistols are just fine, too. I carry a P40 every day and it is reliable and accurate as well.

KelTec stopped making the P40 because the average owner could not operate it. It has a high power to weight ratio. Long, fairly heavy trigger pull. Many people were limp wristing the pistol.

There certainly were issues with the early pistols. KelTec customer service has been second to none. They would make the guns right if they had problems.
Link Posted: 9/27/2004 5:16:52 PM EST

Originally Posted By criley:
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I have two of the older carbines - the Sub 9. Mine have machined aluminum receivers instead of the polymer ones.

Mine are great. Very accurate. Very reliable.

My pistols are just fine, too. I carry a P40 every day and it is reliable and accurate as well.

KelTec stopped making the P40 because the average owner could not operate it. It has a high power to weight ratio. Long, fairly heavy trigger pull. Many people were limp wristing the pistol.

There certainly were issues with the early pistols. KelTec customer service has been second to none. They would make the guns right if they had problems.




what mags are you using
Link Posted: 9/27/2004 5:46:39 PM EST
[Last Edit: 9/27/2004 5:47:37 PM EST by BigDozer66]

Originally Posted By repub18:

Originally Posted By BigDozer66:

Originally Posted By MadProfessor:
I have one, its an awesome carbine. I keep it in a toolbox in the trunk of my car.



www.hunt101.com/img/187554.jpg



Everything a carbine should be, nothing it shouldn't



Nice!

This is my "trunk" gun that I keep in the cab of my F-150!

img.photobucket.com/albums/v373/BigDozer66/AK47underfolder2.jpg

BigDozer66




is that a Global Trades gun??



Yes it is a Global Trades one! Good eye there!

BigDozer66
Link Posted: 9/27/2004 5:48:15 PM EST
I have 92fs mag Sub2k. No problems with it.
Link Posted: 9/27/2004 5:49:47 PM EST
There's a guy who shoots FDCC with one. I've never seen it jam, and he does not finish last. There are people shooting high-dollar ARs who finish behind him and his $200 kel-tec. Something to consider.
Link Posted: 9/27/2004 5:55:15 PM EST
I have two, one is for sale. I love mine, takes glock full capacity mags in .40 S&W. I have 3 29rd mags and it runs great. It is a plinker for me, but I would not hesitate to use it in an emergency. It reside in my truck behind the seat, with 100 rounds or so...never a problem.
On a side note just got 30 glock mags from CDNN, leo only what a dream come true, really!

Kentlik
Link Posted: 9/27/2004 6:00:33 PM EST
[Last Edit: 9/27/2004 6:01:30 PM EST by criley]
Repub18:

I am using cheap, USA mags. They work great.

And thanks for the heads up on the NIW ar15 mags!
Link Posted: 9/27/2004 6:07:01 PM EST

Originally Posted By criley:
Repub18:

I am using cheap, USA mags. They work great.

And thanks for the heads up on the NIW ar15 mags!



no problem, if your looking for more AR mags get in touch with Bravo Company great guy to do business with
Link Posted: 9/27/2004 6:09:06 PM EST

Originally Posted By cyanide:
Save your mony

Kel_Tec = JUNK



Care to cite what problems YOU
have had with the Sub2K?
Link Posted: 9/27/2004 6:21:57 PM EST

Originally Posted By cyanide:
Save your mony

Kel_Tec = JUNK





My experiences have revealed that the only thing wrong with Sub-2000's is that they're very difficult to retrieve from friends and family members once they try it out.

Link Posted: 9/27/2004 6:41:23 PM EST
I have been pleased with the glock mag version that I have. Not the greatest engineering masterpiece ever devised, but still a great little gun that is cheap and fun to shoot.

I was wondering if anyone has ever put some sort of a pad on the metal stock tube.... I was thinking of something like what the ACE AR15 stocks have, but just cut on the bottom to allow for the charging handle to work. Is this an idea worth considering?
Link Posted: 9/27/2004 7:00:48 PM EST
Very good home defence gun for those not able to use a handgun, Now if only it was available in
45 ACP.
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