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Posted: 8/19/2010 12:45:38 PM EDT
My 74 year old dad is talking about starting to carry his, he thinks his J frame is too big/heavy for his pocket.
So he wants to know what the best (ha!) ammo would be.

I am getting him to look at the little 32 or 380 kel tecs, but I want to have this information for him too.

I appreciate any serious information. I know, I know, it's a .25. It's like a weak BB gun, etc.


Link Posted: 8/19/2010 12:46:55 PM EDT
Better than a pointy stick. .380 is the minimum.
Link Posted: 8/19/2010 12:47:21 PM EDT
Well the old adage about anything is better than nothing comes to mind... but a .25?
Link Posted: 8/19/2010 12:47:38 PM EDT
Two .25s makes a .50


Just sayin'...
Link Posted: 8/19/2010 12:52:26 PM EDT
Originally Posted By N1Rampage:
Better than a pointy stick. .380 is the minimum.


I would have to see the stick first.
Link Posted: 8/19/2010 1:03:20 PM EDT
if .22's kill people, then .25 is obviously better than a pointed stick.




Though why carry a .25 when you can have much more?
Link Posted: 8/19/2010 1:05:04 PM EDT
Originally Posted By N1Rampage:
Better than a pointy stick. .380 is the minimum.
First response nails it.

Link Posted: 8/19/2010 1:05:47 PM EDT
Originally Posted By Beltfedleadhead:
Two .25s makes a .50


Just sayin'...


Double wielding Grandpa would be epic.
Link Posted: 8/19/2010 1:06:34 PM EDT
I would just use round nose bullets to get some penetration.

Link Posted: 8/19/2010 1:06:42 PM EDT
The only .25 i might carry would be a 25-06
Link Posted: 8/19/2010 1:08:24 PM EDT
A .22 is better than a .25 energy-wise.
Link Posted: 8/19/2010 1:09:33 PM EDT
Understand that .25 ACP was designed and developed to offer a more reliable centerfire alternatvie to .22rf.

I carry a .32 ACP Seecamp when I need to carry, so I'm pretty friendly to small calibers, but .25 ACP should have been rendered extinct a long time ago.
Link Posted: 8/19/2010 1:10:03 PM EDT
.25 would be the last caliber I would carry. That being said, I've carried one before.
Link Posted: 8/19/2010 1:11:21 PM EDT
Originally Posted By RDTCU:
The only .25 i might carry would be a 25-06


That's what I hunt with. Shoots nice and flat.

Any chance he'd look at a 9mm? There are some nice sub compacts out there now.
Link Posted: 8/19/2010 1:14:04 PM EDT
I have a .380 Kel-tec P3AT, but once I got my 9x18 P64, I stopped carrying it.

I suppose a .25 would be an acceptable choice as a backup to your backup. You know...DEEP cover.



You hide it in your ass.
Link Posted: 8/19/2010 1:15:27 PM EDT
A .25 hasn't got enough energy to reliably expand a hollowpoint, and if it did expand, ti would lose its penetration. Best thing for it is whatever FMJ loads it feeds reliably.
Link Posted: 8/19/2010 1:16:16 PM EDT

Originally Posted By Mazeman:
A .22 is better than a .25 energy-wise.

This.
Link Posted: 8/19/2010 1:16:20 PM EDT
A .25 or .22 sure wouldn't be my first choice –– but I've seen people killed by both, and NOT head shots.
Link Posted: 8/19/2010 1:19:49 PM EDT
He'd be better off with one of those 2 shot Bond Arms derringers in .45
Link Posted: 8/19/2010 1:25:03 PM EDT
get him an NAA mini in either .22 MAG or .22LR with Aguila Sniper Sub Sonic 60gr.
Link Posted: 8/19/2010 1:25:13 PM EDT
Originally Posted By Bloencustoms:
He'd be better off with one of those 2 shot Bond Arms derringers in .45




I carry one of those in .22LR when I need something small to carry.


Better than a sharp stick
Link Posted: 8/19/2010 1:33:40 PM EDT
A scandium j frame is ~ 2 ounces heavier than a baby Browning.
A Ruger LCP and the Baby Browning weigh almost the same.
Link Posted: 8/19/2010 1:46:50 PM EDT

Originally Posted By Mazeman:
A .22 is better than a .25 energy-wise.

Yea, what about a 22 Mag Derringer?
Link Posted: 8/19/2010 2:19:09 PM EDT
Originally Posted By InheritedAnArsenal:

Originally Posted By Mazeman:
A .22 is better than a .25 energy-wise.

Yea, what about a 22 Mag Derringer?


.22 Magnum Rimfire is a rifle cartridge, and will offer all sorts of flashy suckage out of a Derringer. At least some of the Ruger Single Six and .22 Mag autos have 4+ inch barrels to give it a chance at some velocity. If chono'd, I bet it's not much more than a high velocity .22rf out of a Derringer. I have a Single Six with a .22mag cylinder, but it's got a 9-1/2 inch barrel to put some pepper behind the bullet.
Link Posted: 8/19/2010 2:31:22 PM EDT
[Last Edit: 8/19/2010 2:32:59 PM EDT by HardShell]
Link Posted: 8/19/2010 2:44:03 PM EDT
Originally Posted By DriftPunch:
Originally Posted By InheritedAnArsenal:

Originally Posted By Mazeman:
A .22 is better than a .25 energy-wise.

Yea, what about a 22 Mag Derringer?


.22 Magnum Rimfire is a rifle cartridge, and will offer all sorts of flashy suckage out of a Derringer. At least some of the Ruger Single Six and .22 Mag autos have 4+ inch barrels to give it a chance at some velocity. If chono'd, I bet it's not much more than a high velocity .22rf out of a Derringer. I have a Single Six with a .22mag cylinder, but it's got a 9-1/2 inch barrel to put some pepper behind the bullet.


But is the dud rate better than .22 lr. I have a 22 mag derringer, forgot the brand.
Link Posted: 8/19/2010 2:46:53 PM EDT
Since alot of 25's arent that reliable and good loadings arent as easy to find I would be looking for a .22lr with some hot ammo.
Link Posted: 8/19/2010 2:48:34 PM EDT
Modern .380's like the LCP or P3AT are only marginally bigger than old .25's, and much more effective.

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Link Posted: 8/19/2010 2:49:43 PM EDT
Pathetic round.
Link Posted: 8/19/2010 2:56:19 PM EDT
Link Posted: 8/19/2010 2:59:37 PM EDT
Penetrates better than .22.
Link Posted: 8/19/2010 3:00:46 PM EDT
Winchester makes an XP hollowpoint with a steel BB in it to aid in penetration.
I have a few .25's: Bauer, Beretta 950, Seecamp but I haven't carried any of them in over 2 decades.
The Beretta used to go through the laundry a lot, I'd forget it was in my pocket till I heard it thumping around the dryer.
Link Posted: 8/19/2010 3:04:44 PM EDT
[Last Edit: 8/19/2010 3:06:18 PM EDT by MEH]
I carried a Beretta 950 Jetfire for a while. It was a great little carry gun!
Link Posted: 8/19/2010 3:05:05 PM EDT
[Last Edit: 8/19/2010 3:05:23 PM EDT by MEH]
double tap
Link Posted: 8/19/2010 3:06:41 PM EDT
Everyday.



Assists me in getting a soda.
Link Posted: 8/19/2010 3:22:26 PM EDT
Is it time for silly replies yet?

After I'm in a prolonged gunfight, I've used up my Colt CCW in .45, then M&P BUG in .40 S&W, the PPS BUBUG in 9mm, and last resort BUBUBUG LCP in .380...

...that leaves me with these two which are remarkably similar: my Colt Mini .25ACP BUBUBUBUG, and my Astra Cub in .22-short BUBUBUBUBUG.

I throw the .25 at the guy, and still have the .22 to drop if necessary.

I'm in the IT business, and believe you can never have enough backups.

Link Posted: 8/19/2010 3:24:43 PM EDT
Originally Posted By Hedonist:
Is it time for silly replies yet?


It's always time.
Link Posted: 8/19/2010 4:03:47 PM EDT
Link Posted: 8/19/2010 4:07:07 PM EDT
i on occasion will carry a beretta in .25 it's a reliable piece and better than nothing in a pinch
jm2c
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Link Posted: 8/19/2010 4:07:32 PM EDT
Better than nothing.
Link Posted: 8/19/2010 4:25:41 PM EDT
I figure a .25 is a good thing to have when you don’t have a gun.

If you have to use one it’s because your life is in immediate jeopardy. And this means you are going to have to fight the guy with your fists anyway. So it’s probably better to put a few .25 rounds into the guy beforehand. If nothing else, maybe he will run away from the little pops. But, if you think you are really armed when you have a .25 you are seriously mistaken.

For my money, I would rather have a good pointy stick. You can really hurt someone with a pointy stick.
Link Posted: 8/19/2010 4:27:14 PM EDT
If you mean quarters, then yes.
Link Posted: 8/19/2010 4:28:49 PM EDT
I consider a .32 to be minimum. I almost think a good knife and Fox Labs is better than a .25.
Link Posted: 8/19/2010 5:27:03 PM EDT
[Last Edit: 8/19/2010 5:32:00 PM EDT by oswald01]
James Bond carried one, a Beretta 418 with grip panels removed with a flat chamois leather holster. Ian Flemming, himself a naval intelligence officer in WWII, was issued a Baby Browning in .25 ACP.

Of course Bond later went to a Walther PPK in .32 ACP, the same gun Hitler reportedly committed suicide with.
Link Posted: 8/19/2010 5:31:29 PM EDT
Originally Posted By Hedonist:
Is it time for silly replies yet?





After I'm in a prolonged gunfight, I've used up my Colt CCW in .45,then M&P BUG in .40 S&W, the PPS BUBUG in 9mm, and last resortBUBUBUG LCP in .380...

...that leaves me with these two which are remarkably similar: my ColtMini .25ACP BUBUBUBUG, and my Astra Cub in .22-short BUBUBUBUBUG.

I throw the .25 at the guy, and still have the .22 to drop if necessary.

I'm in the IT business, and believe you can never have enough backups.

http://i12.photobucket.com/albums/a213/xmya55/PocketPistols.jpg


does anyone make a modern day single action .25?

Link Posted: 8/19/2010 5:31:39 PM EDT
Originally Posted By Hedonist:
Is it time for silly replies yet?





After I'm in a prolonged gunfight, I've used up my Colt CCW in .45,then M&P BUG in .40 S&W, the PPS BUBUG in 9mm, and last resortBUBUBUG LCP in .380...

...that leaves me with these two which are remarkably similar: my ColtMini .25ACP BUBUBUBUG, and my Astra Cub in .22-short BUBUBUBUBUG.

I throw the .25 at the guy, and still have the .22 to drop if necessary.

I'm in the IT business, and believe you can never have enough backups.

http://i12.photobucket.com/albums/a213/xmya55/PocketPistols.jpg


Link Posted: 8/19/2010 5:35:02 PM EDT
You should have him look at the Ruger LCP. Cheap, reliable, and .380. And small.

Mine has been great.

-dan
Link Posted: 8/19/2010 5:36:07 PM EDT
Originally Posted By Hedonist:
Is it time for silly replies yet?





After I'm in a prolonged gunfight, I've used up my Colt CCW in .45,then M&P BUG in .40 S&W, the PPS BUBUG in 9mm, and last resortBUBUBUG LCP in .380...

...that leaves me with these two which are remarkably similar: my ColtMini .25ACP BUBUBUBUG, and my Astra Cub in .22-short BUBUBUBUBUG.

I throw the .25 at the guy, and still have the .22 to drop if necessary.

I'm in the IT business, and believe you can never have enough backups.

http://i12.photobucket.com/albums/a213/xmya55/PocketPistols.jpg



I love that Colt!

How much did each of those set you back?
Link Posted: 8/19/2010 5:44:32 PM EDT
For comparison:

Colt vest pocket .25 on top, under that is a Ruger LCP 380, under that a S&W 442 Airweight 38




Ruger LCP over the S&W 442




All three
Link Posted: 8/19/2010 5:48:43 PM EDT

Originally Posted By KampusKop:

I love that Colt!

How much did each of those set you back?

The Colt was $350, the Astra Cub $100. A tad high for the Colt, low on the Astra - but the average was very good.

Link Posted: 8/19/2010 5:51:52 PM EDT
Originally Posted By Hedonist:
Is it time for silly replies yet?





After I'm in a prolonged gunfight, I've used up my Colt CCW in .45,then M&P BUG in .40 S&W, the PPS BUBUG in 9mm, and last resortBUBUBUG LCP in .380...

...that leaves me with these two which are remarkably similar: my ColtMini .25ACP BUBUBUBUG, and my Astra Cub in .22-short BUBUBUBUBUG.

I throw the .25 at the guy, and still have the .22 to drop if necessary.

I'm in the IT business, and believe you can never have enough backups.

http://i12.photobucket.com/albums/a213/xmya55/PocketPistols.jpg


You are the man! Not only do you have a cub, but you also have its Colt Junior (Colt branded) brother.

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