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Posted: 3/18/2005 2:32:43 AM EST
Really with Cali, NY, DC and every other state making new laws. Each state has its own taxes own laws own views.

Are we still United? Or have we simply became States of America?
Link Posted: 3/18/2005 2:36:17 AM EST
I think the US is pretty much dead.

The sense of freedom is almost gone from the people. People demand more and more security, and the thought of taking it upon themselves is non existant. You can bet your ass as technology progresses, Gubmin't control over the people tightens.
Link Posted: 3/18/2005 2:56:53 AM EST

Originally Posted By olyarms:
Really with Cali, NY, DC and every other state making new laws. Each state has its own taxes own laws own views.



Um. Don't look now, but that is
how it is supposed to be. You
want a stong central
government?


Link Posted: 3/18/2005 2:58:54 AM EST

Originally Posted By TheCynic:

Originally Posted By olyarms:
Really with Cali, NY, DC and every other state making new laws. Each state has its own taxes own laws own views.



Um. Don't look now, but that is
how it is supposed to be. You
want a stong central
government?






We are not united, Okay we should be different, but it is getting to the point of extreme any more.
Link Posted: 3/18/2005 2:59:04 AM EST
Yes.
Link Posted: 3/18/2005 3:01:16 AM EST
the Feds are supposed to only get involved with interstate B.S. and international B.S.

Link Posted: 3/18/2005 3:02:59 AM EST

Originally Posted By olyarms:

Originally Posted By TheCynic:

Originally Posted By olyarms:
Really with Cali, NY, DC and every other state making new laws. Each state has its own taxes own laws own views.



Um. Don't look now, but that is
how it is supposed to be. You
want a stong central
government?






We are not united, Okay we should be different, but it is getting to the point of extreme any more.



Did you fail history?
Link Posted: 3/18/2005 3:03:41 AM EST
TheCynic nailed it.

The Feds are SUPPOSED to about defense, foreign policy and making it possible for States to function as a Whole. Our government wasn't created to become "lord and master" over everything that everyone does.

The individual States were supposed to be where the true power of the Union resided. That's been turned upside down and now the States are essentially RULED by Federal laws, policies and agencies. Don't believe it? Just watch a State try not going along with some Fed program and see how long it takes until the economic blackmail card is played.

Link Posted: 3/18/2005 3:04:24 AM EST

Originally Posted By Penguin_101:

Originally Posted By olyarms:

Originally Posted By TheCynic:

Originally Posted By olyarms:
Really with Cali, NY, DC and every other state making new laws. Each state has its own taxes own laws own views.



Um. Don't look now, but that is
how it is supposed to be. You
want a stong central
government?






We are not united, Okay we should be different, but it is getting to the point of extreme any more.



Did you fail history?


Never mind, and no I did fine in american history, not great but I think an A if I can recall. I will repost what I am trying to say when I get some sleep.

But this whole shit about blue and red states and so on. It's just freaking horrible.
Link Posted: 3/18/2005 3:06:06 AM EST
[Last Edit: 3/18/2005 3:09:18 AM EST by olyarms]

Originally Posted By Airwolf:
TheCynic nailed it.

The Feds are SUPPOSED to about defense, foreign policy and making it possible for States to function as a Whole. Our government wasn't created to become "lord and master" over everything that everyone does.

The individual States were supposed to be where the true power of the Union resided. That's been turned upside down and now the States are essentially RULED by Federal laws, policies and agencies. Don't believe it? Just watch a State try not going along with some Fed program and see how long it takes until the economic blackmail card is played.



Yes I agree on this, but I am talking about the people in general. Every one wants to screw every one else any more.

ETA: People just seem to hate one another any longer. I mean if you live in a large city you can see this. Nobody has trust in one another.
Link Posted: 3/18/2005 3:07:40 AM EST

Originally Posted By olyarms:

Originally Posted By TheCynic:

Originally Posted By olyarms:
Really with Cali, NY, DC and every other state making new laws. Each state has its own taxes own laws own views.



Um. Don't look now, but that is
how it is supposed to be. You
want a stong central
government?






We are not united, Okay we should be different, but it is getting to the point of extreme any more.




You think this is extreme?

Think back 140 years or so...THAT was extreme.

SGatr15
Link Posted: 3/18/2005 3:10:07 AM EST

Originally Posted By sgtar15:

Originally Posted By olyarms:

Originally Posted By TheCynic:

Originally Posted By olyarms:
Really with Cali, NY, DC and every other state making new laws. Each state has its own taxes own laws own views.



Um. Don't look now, but that is
how it is supposed to be. You
want a stong central
government?






We are not united, Okay we should be different, but it is getting to the point of extreme any more.




You think this is extreme?

Think back 140 years or so...THAT was extreme.

SGatr15


And look what happened. Brothers fighting brothers, fathers fighting sons. It was a horrible thing.
Link Posted: 3/18/2005 3:11:06 AM EST

Originally Posted By olyarms:

And look what happened. Brothers fighting brothers, fathers fighting sons. It was a horrible thing.



Yeah, shit happens.

People get over it.


Well, at least the winners do.

Sgatr15
Link Posted: 3/18/2005 3:13:38 AM EST

Originally Posted By olyarms:

Originally Posted By Airwolf:
TheCynic nailed it.

The Feds are SUPPOSED to about defense, foreign policy and making it possible for States to function as a Whole. Our government wasn't created to become "lord and master" over everything that everyone does.

The individual States were supposed to be where the true power of the Union resided. That's been turned upside down and now the States are essentially RULED by Federal laws, policies and agencies. Don't believe it? Just watch a State try not going along with some Fed program and see how long it takes until the economic blackmail card is played.



Yes I agree on this, but I am talking about the people in general. Every one wants to screw every one else any more.



Agreed. We've become a bunch of whining pussies that have lost any concept of "personal responsiblity" ("Remember, it's ALWAYS someone elses fault... ALWAYS"). I hate what this Nation is becoming.
Link Posted: 3/18/2005 3:14:46 AM EST

Originally Posted By olyarms:

Originally Posted By Penguin_101:

Originally Posted By olyarms:

Originally Posted By TheCynic:

Originally Posted By olyarms:
Really with Cali, NY, DC and every other state making new laws. Each state has its own taxes own laws own views.



Um. Don't look now, but that is
how it is supposed to be. You
want a stong central
government?






We are not united, Okay we should be different, but it is getting to the point of extreme any more.



Did you fail history?


Never mind, and no I did fine in american history, not great but I think an A if I can recall. I will repost what I am trying to say when I get some sleep.

But this whole shit about blue and red states and so on. It's just freaking horrible.



It has always been that way


Election of 1800

Election of 1880
Link Posted: 3/18/2005 3:19:37 AM EST
Damn...the "white " party just keeps getting smaller and smaller.


Sgatr15
Link Posted: 3/18/2005 3:24:28 AM EST
[Last Edit: 3/18/2005 3:25:20 AM EST by jquillen1985]
I'm more angry at the Feds for the '68, '86, and '89 bans than I am about California having their own bans. I'm from Alabama and it is my home. California can do whatever it wants to and so can Alabama. Unfortunately, because federal trumps state law, Alabama actually can't do whatever it wants.
Link Posted: 3/18/2005 3:30:16 AM EST

Originally Posted By olyarms:
But this whole shit about blue and red states and so on. It's just freaking horrible.



I figure that it is the free
market taken to the next
logical step. States should
have to compete with each
other for citizens.

If enough people are pissed
off with the politics of a
state, they will move.
Link Posted: 3/18/2005 4:11:05 AM EST
Wow

I can't believe there like 44% who voted doesn't exist.

I got one question for all the no voters. Name a better country.


Don't want to hear a bunch of BS like "Well Bronz I mean it's fallen a long way." That wasn't the question.

Link Posted: 3/18/2005 4:12:14 AM EST
These United States of America ceased to exist after the Civil War.
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