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Posted: 10/24/2016 12:23:02 AM EDT
Would anything you see in these pics affect accuracy in a negative way?  This gun shot some piss poor groups yesterday and I'm wondering if it's this barrel.


































 






ETA:  Cleaned it and took some more pics.



















And here is one of the chamber because someone asked












Looks like the crown is kinda chewed up to me, I'm guessing whoever removed the crush washer and beat up the shoulder messed the crown up too.  
Link Posted: 10/24/2016 12:24:23 AM EDT
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Beat the flash hider off with a hammer?
Link Posted: 10/24/2016 12:24:35 AM EDT
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Nah, it's fine.
Link Posted: 10/24/2016 12:25:12 AM EDT
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Hard to tell in the pics what the crown looks like, but if the rest of the work on that barrel is similar to the shoulder, I'd throw it away.
Link Posted: 10/24/2016 12:25:34 AM EDT
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Machining looks a little rough.
Link Posted: 10/24/2016 12:25:44 AM EDT
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I can't see shit with all that carbon fouling.
Link Posted: 10/24/2016 12:28:26 AM EDT
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Can you provide a round count and the number of times thrown down the driveway?
Link Posted: 10/24/2016 12:29:43 AM EDT
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Was a chisel or screwdriver involved in any part of this process?
Link Posted: 10/24/2016 12:30:33 AM EDT
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Was a chisel the only removal tool available?
Link Posted: 10/24/2016 12:31:59 AM EDT
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maybe you just suck at shooting?
Link Posted: 10/24/2016 12:34:11 AM EDT
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I;ve beaten a rented mule less than that.
Link Posted: 10/24/2016 12:36:26 AM EDT
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Looks like it is southern hemisphere rifling, needs to spin the other way to work right up here.


Link Posted: 10/24/2016 12:37:56 AM EDT
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Tough to tell if the crown is messed up, doesn't look it to me. But like everyone else said, wtf did the barrel shoulder do to you to get that kinda punishment?

What kinda groups were we talking? See you have a quad rail on, who's the manufacturer? What kinda ammo?
Link Posted: 10/24/2016 12:38:19 AM EDT
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Pretty sure all that blue shit in there would fuck up accuracy pretty bad...
Link Posted: 10/24/2016 12:39:56 AM EDT
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Is that a Mosin?
Link Posted: 10/24/2016 12:40:34 AM EDT
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don't use channel locks to remove the muzzle device

can't see the crown well enough, but it looks like there is debris in the barrel still (???) or some physical damage to the rifling just inside the muzzle. photo not close enough to see.
Link Posted: 10/24/2016 12:42:36 AM EDT
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A glass of wine, some Karen Carpenter and a little lube might work better.
Link Posted: 10/24/2016 12:44:04 AM EDT
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did you use a pipe wrench on it?

looks dirty, cant tell of crown is jacked or what. You need to do a 20min video showing it..
Link Posted: 10/24/2016 12:48:57 AM EDT
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OP, you really need to take a macro shot of the muzzle if you want anything useful from this thread, besides pointing out how mangled the shoulder is.

which leads me to another thing - I wouldn't mount a suppressor to that if i were you.
Link Posted: 10/24/2016 12:50:03 AM EDT
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OP, you really need to take a macro shot of the muzzle if you want anything useful from this thread, besides pointing out how mangled the shoulder is.

which leads me to another thing - I wouldn't mount a suppressor to that if i were you.
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Oh come on whats the worst that could happen!
Link Posted: 10/24/2016 12:52:19 AM EDT
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I think we've been trolled.
Link Posted: 10/24/2016 12:53:21 AM EDT
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Chuck it up in the lathe and refresh the crown.

Bore and crown are everything. The rest, just gets the girls wet.

Link Posted: 10/24/2016 12:56:54 AM EDT
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it looks dirty. very dirty bore..
Link Posted: 10/24/2016 1:02:45 AM EDT
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Link Posted: 10/24/2016 1:18:16 AM EDT
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Chuck it up in the lathe and refresh the crown.

Bore and crown are everything. The rest, just gets the girls wet.

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I remember reading about a guy that was curious how muzzle condition affected accuracy. what I took away from it was a guy torturing a barrel, intentionally fucking up the crown in various ways with carious effects, and all problems were solved simply with a hacksaw, knocking about 1/2" off the barrel. not even deburring it, just shooting a couple rounds before shooting a new group, and all was well. wish i had a link to that...it was interesting.
Link Posted: 10/24/2016 1:21:50 AM EDT
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Looks good to me, if it doesn't shoot 1MOA all day long, you aren't doing your part.
Link Posted: 10/24/2016 1:22:24 AM EDT
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Define "piss poor groups".
What ammo?
Link Posted: 10/24/2016 1:23:18 AM EDT
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stop doing business a Corkey's Gun Shop
Link Posted: 10/24/2016 1:24:01 AM EDT
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A little FrogLube will fix that right up.
Link Posted: 10/24/2016 2:44:54 AM EDT
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I suggest you put it back in your garbage disposal for a little bit longer this time.
Link Posted: 10/24/2016 9:52:54 AM EDT
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I didn't beat up the shoulder, the manufacturer did that when I sent this upper back because it wouldn't cycle.




The crush washer had been flattened to the point that it wouldn't slide over the threads so I assume that damage happened when they removed it.


 
Link Posted: 10/24/2016 9:54:02 AM EDT
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It has about 200 rounds through it and zero driveway throws lol

 
Link Posted: 10/24/2016 9:55:11 AM EDT
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It's possible, but I shot some other groups that day with other guns that were just fine.




6" @ 100 yards with Lake City M193 has me a little concerned lol


 
Link Posted: 10/24/2016 9:55:41 AM EDT
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Tough to tell if the crown is messed up, doesn't look it to me. But like everyone else said, wtf did the barrel shoulder do to you to get that kinda punishment?



What kinda groups were we talking? See you have a quad rail on, who's the manufacturer? What kinda ammo?
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See above post.

 
Link Posted: 10/24/2016 9:56:28 AM EDT
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did you use a pipe wrench on it?



looks dirty, cant tell of crown is jacked or what. You need to do a 20min video showing it..
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My videos are short and sweet, just like your butthurt with YouTubers

 
Link Posted: 10/24/2016 9:58:34 AM EDT
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You're GTG IMO.

I don't ascribe to the crown makes all the difference thought process.

I'd clean it up and smooth it out but, beyond that, you should be gtg.
Link Posted: 10/24/2016 9:59:05 AM EDT
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That a PSA upper? Friend has a 16" SS upper that would group like 7", I was with him at the time and confirmed it was a POS. He never could get them to respond but he bought it from Primary Arms who took care of him. There's a lesson in there somewhere....
Link Posted: 10/24/2016 9:59:49 AM EDT
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You're GTG IMO.

I don't ascribe to the crown makes all the difference thought process.

I'd clean it up and smooth it out but, beyond that, you should be gtg.
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Not if his gun is shooting 6" groups.
Link Posted: 10/24/2016 10:00:42 AM EDT
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A glass of wine, some Karen Carpenter Tina Turner by the looks of it and a little lube might work better.
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A glass of wine, some Karen Carpenter Tina Turner by the looks of it and a little lube might work better.


Fixed.
Link Posted: 10/24/2016 10:02:45 AM EDT
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That a PSA upper? Friend has a 16" SS upper that would group like 7", I was with him at the time and confirmed it was a POS. He never could get them to respond but he bought it from Primary Arms who took care of him. There's a lesson in there somewhere....
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NOT a PSA upper, I left the carbon because I thought it may give some indication of irregular gas escaping behind the bullet (if the crown was indeed fucked).

 



I'm horrible at macro photography, those pics were taken with my iPhone.  I will try after work today to get some more pics after I clean it.
Link Posted: 10/24/2016 10:04:11 AM EDT
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It's possible, but I shot some other groups that day with other guns that were just fine.


6" @ 100 yards with Lake City M193 has me a little concerned lol
 
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maybe you just suck at shooting?
It's possible, but I shot some other groups that day with other guns that were just fine.


6" @ 100 yards with Lake City M193 has me a little concerned lol
 

That's ~50% larger than expected.

What sights?
Anything loose?
Link Posted: 10/24/2016 10:04:37 AM EDT
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Link Posted: 10/24/2016 10:05:11 AM EDT
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Link Posted: 10/24/2016 10:06:03 AM EDT
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Looks like it.



 
Link Posted: 10/24/2016 10:07:49 AM EDT
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Dremmel out the imperfections, throw some fluting on it while you have the Dremmel out; GTG.
Link Posted: 10/24/2016 10:10:32 AM EDT
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NOT a PSA upper, I left the carbon because I thought it may give some indication of irregular gas escaping behind the bullet (if the crown was indeed fucked).  

I'm horrible at macro photography, those pics were taken with my iPhone.  I will try after work today to get some more pics after I clean it.
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That a PSA upper? Friend has a 16" SS upper that would group like 7", I was with him at the time and confirmed it was a POS. He never could get them to respond but he bought it from Primary Arms who took care of him. There's a lesson in there somewhere....
NOT a PSA upper, I left the carbon because I thought it may give some indication of irregular gas escaping behind the bullet (if the crown was indeed fucked).  

I'm horrible at macro photography, those pics were taken with my iPhone.  I will try after work today to get some more pics after I clean it.



The crown doesn't look that terrible from the photo, did they say why it wouldn't cycle? I'd be interested in what the chamber looks like as well with that kind of shit work the problem could easily be on that end.
Link Posted: 10/24/2016 10:32:55 AM EDT
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That's ~50% larger than expected.



What sights?

Anything loose?
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maybe you just suck at shooting?
It's possible, but I shot some other groups that day with other guns that were just fine.





6" @ 100 yards with Lake City M193 has me a little concerned lol

 


That's ~50% larger than expected.



What sights?

Anything loose?
Burris Fullfield TAC30 set at 4 power on a PEPR mount, double checked that it was tight.  Also shot 1.9" with 77gr OTM.

 
Link Posted: 10/24/2016 10:35:38 AM EDT
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The crown doesn't look that terrible from the photo, did they say why it wouldn't cycle? I'd be interested in what the chamber looks like as well with that kind of shit work the problem could easily be on that end.
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That a PSA upper? Friend has a 16" SS upper that would group like 7", I was with him at the time and confirmed it was a POS. He never could get them to respond but he bought it from Primary Arms who took care of him. There's a lesson in there somewhere....
NOT a PSA upper, I left the carbon because I thought it may give some indication of irregular gas escaping behind the bullet (if the crown was indeed fucked).  



I'm horrible at macro photography, those pics were taken with my iPhone.  I will try after work today to get some more pics after I clean it.







The crown doesn't look that terrible from the photo, did they say why it wouldn't cycle? I'd be interested in what the chamber looks like as well with that kind of shit work the problem could easily be on that end.
I never got a clear answer why it wouldn't cycle, he told me it was basically the muzzle brakes fault .  But when he sent it back it had the same brake on it.



It was severely undergassed when I first shot it, I think I am going to take the handguard and barrel nut off and get some better pics.  Probably pull the gas block off too.
Link Posted: 10/24/2016 10:48:34 AM EDT
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Did you or someone else slip with the Dremel tool
Link Posted: 10/24/2016 10:49:59 AM EDT
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What the fuck did you do to that thing?

ETA: Answered.  Damn.
Link Posted: 10/24/2016 10:54:45 AM EDT
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Not if his gun is shooting 6" groups.
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You're GTG IMO.

I don't ascribe to the crown makes all the difference thought process.

I'd clean it up and smooth it out but, beyond that, you should be gtg.



Not if his gun is shooting 6" groups.

It's an AR - could be 4/5 other reasons why that's happening.

That being said, all OP has to do is lop off 1/4in and he's gtg...Enough thread exists to bite on whatever brake he wants...
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