Anything you guys can do up there or are you just screwed?

2 good looking rallies yesterday, i guess thats a good start.

The right is still there, always there, just not recognized by the state....so....kinda?

I don't know, but I'm sort of worried about losing ours.

Full,of turd worlders who get a vote same as true Americans. .  Hard to overcome importing the scum of humanity

I'd like to see a lawsuit for unfair trade practices.

By limiting magazines to 7 rounds, one is essentially saying only certain companies can do business there.
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("What? Doesn't this establishment serve women?"--Bowman, (w,stte), "Red Planet")

It might take a few years but the $$$$ will kill it.

Registration costs money, background checks, ammo checks are not free.  Someone has to get paid to maintain this stuff.  The spent shell casing law was repealed due to spending cuts.  NYS just has no money to play this game, Obamacare is here and coming on hard, the TZ bridge needs replacement  Less economic activity and less tax revenue, along with more demands for taxpayer funds.  it simply cannot continue for too before things have to give, like the TZ bridge funding.

Also I hear the medical community is up in arms over this law, they had less warning than we did.

i would think the current SCOTUS might be able to strike it down but they better move fast. Who knows if an a suspicious accident will happen to one of them.

Small sample size but every single person in the packed NY Dunkin Donuts last night opposed the new law and only one was a gun owner besides myself.

^ That.

Maybe we should get a posse to watch out for buses and ice cream trucks when our 5-4 judges are out for their morning jog.

I'd say it'd be up to Justices Kennedy, Roberts, Scalia, Thomas and Alito, or any one of their replacements.

This

The people in NY have not lost any "rights."

They still have them.  The question is do they have the will to excercise them in the face of government attempts to prevent it.

Rights are given up, not taken away.

No. Because NYers are just rolling over en-mass to a law written by a state.
Sure there's some putting up a fight, but the majority are just giving up when it hasn't even been a week.



ETA: See below. Exactly my point.

Don't think we have much chance.

Cuomo will be re-elected, then run for president.

A few upstate state congressmen may lose their seat but it will still be majority democrat.

Our courts are liberal, so if this route is possible, it will have to be decided by federal courts.

On a funny note, a buffalo state rep says its "unfair" if he loses his job for voting for gun control. Poor little guy :(

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Yes, after blood runs in the streets as deep as a horse's bridle.

About the same chance a snowball has in hell.

That is pathetic. You are sheep.

MD and HI are next.

Unfortunately history has shown that once freedoms are taken away they are very hard to get back without a massive change in direction politically or they are taken back through means of force.

What you defeated basement dwellers need to start doing is an epic smear campaign against all of the liberals. Don't even mention guns. Just get the shit those commies do to start sticking to them and you can defeat Darth Cuomo and Emperor Bloomberg and the empire with your rebel alliance.

Hoist the joliroger and give no quarter. They need rotten food thrown at them every time they are on TV. Literally and figuratively.

A few months back, before the recent shooting of the school children, I expressed some misgivings about the fact that our government is now controlled by marxist/socialist new world order types who will never stop until they are able to confiscate our guns.  

I was promptly flamed by a couple of members who told me I didn't know what I was talking about and to look at the progress we have made recently with getting CCWs in many states and I was worrying about nothing.  

Gee, guess I wasn't so wrong and off-base after all, was I?

Sadly, the last laugh is mine.

And no, people in California and New York have about as much chance of ever getting second amendment rights back as the proverbial snowball in hell.  

And I know some of our board members have the misfortune to live in one of those states.   If so, you are getting outreproduced by the FSA who have thrown their support fully to the marxist-socialist politicians.    They will be happy to let the marxist-socialist politicians take your rights away and raise your taxes as long as they keep getting their free shit.

Now, go back and worry about the next rights restriction they will levy on us.  Welcome to collectivism.

Highly doubtful.

Heres a inconvenient wall of text to read----It is now part of the BOR, it is the ruling of DC V. Heller

This, in and of itself, makes NY ruling even more unconstitutional than it might be without it.

And to re-enforce DC V Heller we can go to Chicago V McDonald.

These 2 rulings, took the 2nd Amendment and made it crystal clear to those who had ADD prior to the ruling.

Read them--Know Them

Use them.



Decision
The Supreme Court held:[43]
(1) The Second Amendment protects an individual right to possess a firearm unconnected with service in a militia, and to use that arm for traditionally lawful purposes, such as self-defense within the home. Pp. 2–53.
(a) The Amendment’s prefatory clause announces a purpose, but does not limit or expand the scope of the second part, the operative clause. The operative clause’s text and history demonstrate that it connotes an individual right to keep and bear arms. Pp. 2–22.
(b) The prefatory clause comports with the Court’s interpretation of the operative clause. The “militia” comprised all males physically capable of acting in concert for the common defense. The Antifederalists feared that the Federal Government would disarm the people in order to disable this citizens’ militia, enabling a politicized standing army or a select militia to rule. The response was to deny Congress power to abridge the ancient right of individuals to keep and bear arms, so that the ideal of a citizens’ militia would be preserved. Pp. 22–28.
(c) The Court’s interpretation is confirmed by analogous arms-bearing rights in state constitutions that preceded and immediately followed the Second Amendment. Pp. 28–30.
(d) The Second Amendment’s drafting history, while of dubious interpretive worth, reveals three state Second Amendment proposals that unequivocally referred to an individual right to bear arms. Pp. 30–32.
(e) Interpretation of the Second Amendment by scholars, courts and legislators, from immediately after its ratification through the late 19th century also supports the Court’s conclusion. Pp. 32–47.
(f) None of the Court’s precedents forecloses the Court’s interpretation. Neither United States v. Cruikshank, 92 U. S. 542 , nor Presser v. Illinois, 116 U. S. 252 , refutes the individual-rights interpretation. United States v. Miller, 307 U. S. 174 , does not limit the right to keep and bear arms to militia purposes, but rather limits the type of weapon to which the right applies to those used by the militia, i.e., those in common use for lawful purposes. Pp. 47–54.
(2) Like most rights, the Second Amendment right is not unlimited. It is not a right to keep and carry any weapon whatsoever in any manner whatsoever and for whatever purpose: For example, concealed weapons prohibitions have been upheld under the Amendment or state analogues. The Court’s opinion should not be taken to cast doubt on longstanding prohibitions on the possession of firearms by felons and the mentally ill, or laws forbidding the carrying of firearms in sensitive places such as schools and government buildings, or laws imposing conditions and qualifications on the commercial sale of arms. Miller’s holding that the sorts of weapons protected are those “in common use at the time” finds support in the historical tradition of prohibiting the carrying of dangerous and unusual weapons. Pp. 54–56.
(3) The handgun ban and the trigger-lock requirement (as applied to self-defense) violate the Second Amendment. The District’s total ban on handgun possession in the home amounts to a prohibition on an entire class of “arms” that Americans overwhelmingly choose for the lawful purpose of self-defense. Under any of the standards of scrutiny the Court has applied to enumerated constitutional rights, this prohibition – in the place where the importance of the lawful defense of self, family, and property is most acute – would fail constitutional muster. Similarly, the requirement that any lawful firearm in the home be disassembled or bound by a trigger lock makes it impossible for citizens to use arms for the core lawful purpose of self-defense and is hence unconstitutional. Because Heller conceded at oral argument that the D. C. licensing law is permissible if it is not enforced arbitrarily and capriciously, the Court assumes that a license will satisfy his prayer for relief and does not address the licensing requirement. Assuming he is not disqualified from exercising Second Amendment rights, the District must permit Heller to register his handgun and must issue him a license to carry it in the home. Pp. 56–64.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/McDonald_v._Chicago

I strongly encourage you to read Heller vs. D.C. and Macdonald vs. Chicago..... Our rights HAVE to be recognized by the states now because the 2A was Incorporated in the second case, meaning that it applies to the States that you have an individual right to own firearms. Heller makes no bones about what the purpose of the 2A is, even if they punt on defining what is acceptable for Militia service.

We have control the intiative, we control the narrative. Times are changing, even if the media wants to frame the debate in a way that merely pays lip service to 'rights'. The 2A is a full fledged Civil Right in the same way and carrying the same weight that the First Amendment does. Libtards have just refused to read the memo on it.

Let's see how many people comply. Upstate NY is as red as anywhere you'd find in this country, same with western Mass. They're just subjugated by the major cities in the region and treated like a tax resource.

Our last gubernatorial election says otherwise.



ETA: As does the last presidential election.

No kidding. The Republicans only took 13 of 62 counties in the last gubernatorial election, and almost all of them in Western New York.

Maybe, but look who Cuomo was running against. Not much competition.

Yuuuup.  You got it 100%.

And whose fault was that?

This has crossed my mind on more than one occasion as well.

It's not the 3rd worlders it is the Welfare and Soccer moms.. And throw Teachers into that mix.

CT is next Malloy is pushing heavy for it along with his cronies.

It's,pretty much an axis of douchery

the supreme court is the only hope of undoing these recent gun laws. NYC completely controls the NYS assembly and they will never vote to repeal them, dems out weight reps 4:1 in the city so there is no chance of voting them out.

not a chance in hell.

They have basically been living "behind enemy lines" and dealing with it since the 1st AWB expired

Meh - Remember how Alan Gura bitch-slapped the DC political establishment in DC vs. Heller?

All it takes is one carefully-chosen court case, argued eloquently.

The exact same defense would apply to a prohibition on another entire class of "arms" that Americans overwhelmingly choose... namely the AR-style sporting-rifle with a standard-capacity magazine (i.e. "assault weapon with high-cap mag").
 

35 years from now, SCOTUS might bail NY out.

Not a chance in Hell!

you can bet it has crossed the mind of lots of liberals as well.  There is only one SCOTUS judge stopping them from doing damn near anything they want.  THe infrastructure for the oligarchy is already in place.





 

It will be difficult.  The legal battle is going to forge into new territory.  Characteristics and Magazine capacity were not covered in the previous lawsuits.  It will have to go to the Federal level to make anything happen the State Level courts are notorious for ignoring established presidence

We can stand a chance if the pussies stop posting crap here. I don't need a quitter from NY saying we lost. Shut up, fight back or GTFO.

I've been horrified every time I think about it. If just one left wing whacko really wants to irrevocably turn America into a communist shit hole, that is the way to do it. I pray it doesn't happen.

I was going to let this lie but I just can't. It is way to ignorant. Fresh off the boat immigrants from hell holes did a lot more to get here and enjoy freedom than most natural born citizens. I bet if you took a survey of taxi drivers and convenience store clerks in NYC, they'd be 99% pro 2A.

The NYers who are anti-freedom are the established scumbags who have been here for generations grabbing more and more power every chance they could.

For those who say gun owners are just doing nothing, what exactly are supposed to do?

If they are writing, voting, demonstrating, supporting gun rights groups, what are they supposed to do?  Short of big money funding a lawsuit, it is very difficult in a place where the majority of the people vote to destroy rights.  If a lawsuit fails, what do you suggest?

There is an answer and the worst one, one that no one in their right mind wants to preserve freedom.  So, how do you deal with a state that does not care about rights?  Move is always stated, the reality is that it does not solve the underlying problem and moving is not often an easy answer with a job, home, etc.

Yet  4 out of 5  would  vote democrat if not 5/5

They fall for the bait and switch the democrats constantly push. "We want to help bring your whole extended family over from India and support them with govt cheeze here in the land of the free". The gun grab is a rare instance of  democrats showing their true colors in all of their naked glory.

How many of the cab drivers were paying attention? I don't know but I hope they all were. Last thing we need to do is push them away.