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Posted: 10/26/2004 10:37:27 AM EST
My family and I are currently on a holiday break in London. We've been here for only 3 days and I can't wait to head back to the U.S.

You cannot have a social life here if you are seen to support President Bush. English fair-play and balanced reporting is completely non-existant, as Bush-America bashing occurs on a daily basis in all the local newspapers.

I travel rather extensively and am concerned that almost everyone outside of the United States hates this President and our country. For the most part, I believe that the media is responsible for spreading this hatred and misinformation. It is like having the pro-Kerry New York Times broadcasting the world over.

Does anyone else on this forum share my experience? Is America doomed to go it alone as Europe and the rest of the world gang up against it?

Link Posted: 10/26/2004 10:38:17 AM EST
theyre just a bunch of jealous bitches... fuckem!
Link Posted: 10/26/2004 10:38:51 AM EST
Envy
Link Posted: 10/26/2004 10:39:20 AM EST

Originally Posted By 71jav:
Envy



beat me to it.
Link Posted: 10/26/2004 10:39:53 AM EST
everyone hates the yankees.
Link Posted: 10/26/2004 10:40:03 AM EST
Well, I travel abroad extensively (usually one week each month), and have found a signficant amount of America hating. I have also found in many nations, that the people there would move to the US is a New York minute if they were able.

BTW, hating Ameica is nothing new. Its been around for a LONG time.
Link Posted: 10/26/2004 10:40:46 AM EST
Fuck em and feed em fish heads! They all love the shit outta us as long as WE are handing out money to em, but when they are asked to pony up something they go anti on us. They are just ingreatful.
Link Posted: 10/26/2004 10:41:00 AM EST

Originally Posted By BORG:
Is America doomed to go it alone as Europe and the rest of the world gang up against it?




Bring it!

In this I am very much with the Russian psyche: If we can't win, we'll make sure no one else does.
Link Posted: 10/26/2004 10:44:33 AM EST

Originally Posted By ARKAN_the_Tiger:
Fuck em and feed em fish heads! They all love the shit outta us as long as WE are handing out money to em, but when they are asked to pony up something they go anti on us. They are just ingreatful.



Since when is the U.S. "handing out money" to Europe?


Keep in mind that Britian is the strongest ally, and has sent a huge portion of their military (which is much smaller than the U.S. military) to Iraq.



I get the impression that there's a lot of dislike for BUSH in Europe (and elsewhere) that is not necessarily refecting a general dislike for the U.S.

Also please remember that "Europe" is just a geographical label - despite the E.U. there is not "Europe" - Norway has about as much in common with Portugal or Greece as they do with China or the Congo.
Link Posted: 10/26/2004 10:45:09 AM EST
The only ones hating the USA are the ones that have no hope of ever coming here!
Link Posted: 10/26/2004 10:49:56 AM EST
DK - I equate defending the continent for the second half of the 20th century as handing out money.

I personally have zero problems with the Brits, they are th US's greatest ally. In addition, my comments weren't necessarily directed at Europe but at the world in general.
Link Posted: 10/26/2004 10:52:07 AM EST

Originally Posted By BORG:
My family and I are currently on a holiday break in London. We've been here for only 3 days and I can't wait to head back to the U.S.

You cannot have a social life here if you are seen to support President Bush. English fair-play and balanced reporting is completely non-existant, as Bush-America bashing occurs on a daily basis in all the local newspapers.

I travel rather extensively and am concerned that almost everyone outside of the United States hates this President and our country. For the most part, I believe that the media is responsible for spreading this hatred and misinformation. It is like having the pro-Kerry New York Times broadcasting the world over.

Does anyone else on this forum share my experience? Is America doomed to go it alone as Europe and the rest of the world gang up against it?


So how much does the Kerry campaign pay for e-warriors these days?
Link Posted: 10/26/2004 10:54:05 AM EST

Originally Posted By DK-Prof:

Originally Posted By ARKAN_the_Tiger:
Fuck em and feed em fish heads! They all love the shit outta us as long as WE are handing out money to em, but when they are asked to pony up something they go anti on us. They are just ingreatful.



Since when is the U.S. "handing out money" to Europe?


Keep in mind that Britian is the strongest ally, and has sent a huge portion of their military (which is much smaller than the U.S. military) to Iraq.



I get the impression that there's a lot of dislike for BUSH in Europe (and elsewhere) that is not necessarily refecting a general dislike for the U.S.

Also please remember that "Europe" is just a geographical label - despite the E.U. there is not "Europe" - Norway has about as much in common with Portugal or Greece as they do with China or the Congo.



Good info from the Dutchman.
Link Posted: 10/26/2004 10:54:29 AM EST

Originally Posted By ARKAN_the_Tiger:
DK - I equate defending the continent for the second half of the 20th century as handing out money.

I personally have zero problems with the Brits, they are th US's greatest ally. In addition, my comments weren't necessarily directed at Europe but at the world in general.



Got it - I agree with that sentiment completely.
Link Posted: 10/26/2004 10:55:34 AM EST
Northern Ireland is the same. My family (in-laws) over there love to bash Bush. My wife's uncle is currently mailing me a book by Michael Moore because it will supposedly convince me that GW is a war criminal, etc. Interestingly, the 40-something and older crowd in the family universally hate Bush, but the teenager and 20-something crowd will listen to my pro-Bush arguments and some even support me. I actually had 1 lad screaming "USA USA USA" in a bar last year! A lot of alcohol helped his conversion no doubt, but a true story nonetheless. All is not lost!
Link Posted: 10/26/2004 10:56:19 AM EST
[Last Edit: 10/26/2004 11:03:17 AM EST by RealFastV6]
Impossible. Howard Dean has assured me that the British do not allow "bashing" in their Newspapers and that they do not have the Media Bias that the United States has because of their Libel Laws.

Link Posted: 10/26/2004 10:58:46 AM EST
We are often told that our allies are the U.K. and Japan. Watching CNN International (not the same CNN we get in the U.S.) has convinced me that only Tony Blair and a couple of his party members are supporting our President. Likewise, in Japan, it seems like only the Japanese Prime Minister is on our side. Everyone else wants Kerry in the White House on November 3rd!

The Guardian (an English Newspaper) has even encouraged its readers to write to voters in the U.S. asking them to vote Kerry! 'The Times' in London only features articles that portray us in bad light. It is so bad over in London that I really can't find one positive piece of reporting pertaining to the U.S.

*sigh*

Link Posted: 10/26/2004 10:58:51 AM EST
[Last Edit: 10/26/2004 10:59:26 AM EST by goodmedicine]
Fuck them if they do



Appropriate, considering my post count.

<-------------



GM
Link Posted: 10/26/2004 10:58:57 AM EST

Originally Posted By BORG:
My family and I are currently on a holiday break in London. We've been here for only 3 days and I can't wait to head back to the U.S.

You cannot have a social life here if you are seen to support President Bush. English fair-play and balanced reporting is completely non-existant, as Bush-America bashing occurs on a daily basis in all the local newspapers.

I travel rather extensively and am concerned that almost everyone outside of the United States hates this President and our country. For the most part, I believe that the media is responsible for spreading this hatred and misinformation. It is like having the pro-Kerry New York Times broadcasting the world over.

Does anyone else on this forum share my experience? Is America doomed to go it alone as Europe and the rest of the world gang up against it?



I call
Link Posted: 10/26/2004 10:59:30 AM EST
Anytime the worlds largest debtor nation is also the lone military superpower there's going to be resentment, particularly when the debtor nation is throwing its weight around preemptively liberating resources.
Link Posted: 10/26/2004 11:00:10 AM EST
There are PLENTY of people here in the states that hate America.
Link Posted: 10/26/2004 11:00:24 AM EST
[Last Edit: 10/26/2004 11:00:52 AM EST by motown_steve]

Originally Posted By BORG:
We are often told that our allies are the U.K. and Japan. Watching CNN International (not the same CNN we get in the U.S.) has convinced me that only Tony Blair and a couple of his party members are supporting our President. Likewise, in Japan, it seems like only the Japanese Prime Minister is on our side. [Everyone else wants Kerry in the White House on November 3rd!

The Guardian (an English Newspaper) has even encouraged its readers to write to voters in the U.S. asking them to vote Kerry! 'The Times' in London only features articles that portray us in bad light. It is so bad over in London that I really can't find one positive piece of reporting pertaining to the U.S. *sigh*





Definate
Link Posted: 10/26/2004 11:03:18 AM EST
For one, you should have not left the country unless you left with a rifle.

Second, who the hell cares if we are hated by "the world".

America is "the world". At least the good part of it anyway.
Link Posted: 10/26/2004 11:03:19 AM EST
Yes.

Most Europeans are socialists and Bush is not.

Kerry is the socialist and they like that.



CRC
Link Posted: 10/26/2004 11:04:53 AM EST
[Last Edit: 10/26/2004 11:05:05 AM EST by motown_steve]

Originally Posted By wedge1082:
America is "the world". At least the good part of it anyway.



+1
Link Posted: 10/26/2004 11:05:25 AM EST
Who cares? We own.
Link Posted: 10/26/2004 11:05:46 AM EST
I'm pretty sure that's a no. Tony Blair has committed a good part of England's military to the War on Terror, and there hasn't been that much of a backlash against him. (Of course, the leftist hate his guts because of it, but he hasn't been thrown out of office or anything). I would imagine that London is kinda like New York - almost like a giant convention of all the Liberals, Leftists, Socialists, and Communists in the nation. Not that there aren't any Conservatives there, but they mostly get drowned out. Things might be a bit different in rural England outside of London.

Say, where's vito113 when you need him?
Link Posted: 10/26/2004 11:06:17 AM EST

Originally Posted By wedge1082:
For one, you should have not left the country unless you left with a rifle.




OOH FUCKING RAH. That would make somebody a powerful sig line.
Link Posted: 10/26/2004 11:08:04 AM EST

Originally Posted By motown_steve:

Originally Posted By BORG:
We are often told that our allies are the U.K. and Japan. Watching CNN International (not the same CNN we get in the U.S.) has convinced me that only Tony Blair and a couple of his party members are supporting our President. Likewise, in Japan, it seems like only the Japanese Prime Minister is on our side. [Everyone else wants Kerry in the White House on November 3rd!

The Guardian (an English Newspaper) has even encouraged its readers to write to voters in the U.S. asking them to vote Kerry! 'The Times' in London only features articles that portray us in bad light. It is so bad over in London that I really can't find one positive piece of reporting pertaining to the U.S. *sigh*





Definate



Why are you calling him a troll? I have traveled to the UK numerous times in the past two years, and I have to agree with what BORG writes. I was in Manchester while OIF was in progress, and the UK media was gloating at how badly the war was going, and that it had turned into a quagmire from which the US and UK would never reach Baghdad.

Of course, when I got back to the U.S., they were pulling Saddam's statue down in Baghdad.
Link Posted: 10/26/2004 11:11:27 AM EST
[Last Edit: 10/26/2004 11:13:57 AM EST by motown_steve]

Originally Posted By PAEBR332:

Originally Posted By motown_steve:

Originally Posted By BORG:
We are often told that our allies are the U.K. and Japan. Watching CNN International (not the same CNN we get in the U.S.) has convinced me that only Tony Blair and a couple of his party members are supporting our President. Likewise, in Japan, it seems like only the Japanese Prime Minister is on our side. [Everyone else wants Kerry in the White House on November 3rd!

The Guardian (an English Newspaper) has even encouraged its readers to write to voters in the U.S. asking them to vote Kerry! 'The Times' in London only features articles that portray us in bad light. It is so bad over in London that I really can't find one positive piece of reporting pertaining to the U.S. *sigh*







Definate



Why are you calling him a troll? I have traveled to the UK numerous times in the past two years, and I have to agree with what BORG writes. I was in Manchester while OIF was in progress, and the UK media was gloating at how badly the war was going, and that it had turned into a quagmire from which the US and UK would never reach Baghdad.

Of course, when I got back to the U.S., they were pulling Saddam's statue down in Baghdad.



It's the subliminal messages in his posts:

"Is America doomed to go it alone as Europe and the rest of the world gang up against it?"

"Everyone else wants Kerry in the White House on November 3rd!"

"I travel rather extensively and am concerned that almost everyone outside of the United States hates this President and our country." - This one is blatant line that Kerry supporters spew like yesterday's breakfast! BORG didn't even TRY and conceal this one!

He's mocking us to our faces.

Link Posted: 10/26/2004 11:12:40 AM EST

Originally Posted By wedge1082:
For one, you should have not left the country unless you left with a rifle.

Second, who the hell cares if we are hated by "the world".

America is "the world". At least the good part of it anyway.



Thank your lucky stars that you don't have to travel abroad. There are those of us who have no choice, but to come face to face, day in and day out, with people who hate us wherever we go.

As an example, imagine walking into a pub with about 200 drunk Irish men, all of whom are anti-American! I can assure you that being the lone outsider is a nice feeling.

Link Posted: 10/26/2004 11:14:25 AM EST
The sun never rises on the british empire
Link Posted: 10/26/2004 11:15:57 AM EST
Who gives a sh*t? Fu*k anybody who doesn't like us. I don't care.
Link Posted: 10/26/2004 11:16:21 AM EST
[Last Edit: 10/26/2004 11:17:50 AM EST by motown_steve]

Originally Posted By BORG:

Originally Posted By wedge1082:
For one, you should have not left the country unless you left with a rifle.

Second, who the hell cares if we are hated by "the world".

America is "the world". At least the good part of it anyway.



Thank your lucky stars that you don't have to travel abroad. There are those of us who have no choice, but to come face to face, day in and day out, with people who hate us wherever we go.

As an example, imagine walking into a pub with about 200 drunk Irish men, all of whom are anti-American! I can assure you that being the lone outsider is a nice feeling.




Why do they hate us? Because we invaded Iraq? Because of our policies in Isreal? Beacuse we pulled out of the International Criminal Court?

What should we do to rectify this international contempt for our nation? Submit to the will of the UN and make the defense of our country secondary to the collective opinion of the security council? Perhaps if we showered less and ate more Brie cheese the world may like us better. Or maybe we are just too well armed for their tastes.

If John Kerry wins, will your troubles overseas go away?

Link Posted: 10/26/2004 11:17:34 AM EST

Originally Posted By BORG:

Originally Posted By wedge1082:
For one, you should have not left the country unless you left with a rifle.

Second, who the hell cares if we are hated by "the world".

America is "the world". At least the good part of it anyway.



Thank your lucky stars that you don't have to travel abroad. There are those of us who have no choice, but to come face to face, day in and day out, with people who hate us wherever we go.

As an example, imagine walking into a pub with about 200 drunk Irish men, all of whom are anti-American! I can assure you that being the lone outsider is a nice feeling.




The only people who have to travel abroad, do so because the military tells them.
Link Posted: 10/26/2004 11:25:45 AM EST
BORG? Where are you?

Come back little troll, and answer my question. Why does the rest of the world hate us, and what should we do about it?

Do you think that if John Kerry wins, then people in London pubs will treat you nicer?
Link Posted: 10/26/2004 11:26:07 AM EST

Originally Posted By motown_steve:
Why do they hate us? Because we invaded Iraq? Because of our policies in Isreal? Beacuse we pulled out of the International Criminal Court?

What should we do to rectify this international contempt for our nation? Submit to the will of the UN and make the defense of our country secondary to the collective opinion of the security council? Perhaps if we showered less and ate more Brie cheese the world may like us better. Or maybe we are just too well armed for their tastes.

If John Kerry wins, will your troubles overseas go away?



I believe that we're hated because of the freedoms we enjoy and the fact that the U.S. has progressed from a Superpower to become the world's only Hyperpower. It is jealousy for the most part, but media bias and misinformation is playing a large role too.

And you're dead-wrong motown_steve; I am 100% pro-BUSH. Anyone who values our Bill of Rights and the Second Amendment cannot possibly be a supporter of Kerry, who is rightfully described as the most anti-gun Presidential candidate in history.

Link Posted: 10/26/2004 11:26:44 AM EST
[Last Edit: 10/26/2004 11:27:45 AM EST by LWilde]

Originally Posted By BORG:
My family and I are currently on a holiday break in London. We've been here for only 3 days and I can't wait to head back to the U.S. I've traveled the world and America is absolutely the greatest country on the planet for many reasons. Welcome back home!

You cannot have a social life here if you are seen to support President Bush. English fair-play and balanced reporting is completely non-existant, as Bush-America bashing occurs on a daily basis in all the local newspapers. Why would your social life be in danger. If the locals push you for your opinions and political stances...GIVE IT TO THEM! Be polite, but show your resolve. There is no reason to back down when you are RIGHT!

I travel rather extensively and am concerned that almost everyone outside of the United States hates this President and our country. For the most part, I believe that the media is responsible for spreading this hatred and misinformation. It is like having the pro-Kerry New York Times broadcasting the world over. Who cares if the ROW "hates" Bush and America or not? Most of the ROW is in one state of socialism or another. Most of the ROW doesn't have the economy, the medical care system, the worker productivity, the fun, the history of righteousness, the FREEDOMS, and the SHEER AUDACITY that we have. They ARE jealous...which is why WE keep having them bust down the fences to get in! And you are right...it IS the media, both at home and overseas that largely frames this debate.

Does anyone else on this forum share my experience? I share your experience...but I don't let it get to me. I simply retain my quiet, smug attitude. (It's good to be da king!) Is America doomed to go it alone as Europe and the rest of the world gang up against it?

Yes...this is a simple case of Realpolitik on the part of the Euroweenies. As with after WW II, the Euros see in American now, a great economic, military, and cultural giant, capable of [negatively] influencing the world in their eyes. They fear our hegenomy...even if we try to assure them of our peaceful and non-expansionist intents. They are insanelly jealous for all that we have and what we represent.

If the ROW, or a large part of it were to, "gang up on us", how far would they go and how much would THEY be willing to sacfifice? Remember, we are a world economy now. They depend as much on us as we on them. Militarily, it is no contest. They try to fight us...we win.

Fear not...and be proud of your blessings as an American citizen. We are very fortunate to be Americans.


Link Posted: 10/26/2004 11:28:02 AM EST

Originally Posted By wedge1082:

Originally Posted By BORG:

Originally Posted By wedge1082:
For one, you should have not left the country unless you left with a rifle.

Second, who the hell cares if we are hated by "the world".

America is "the world". At least the good part of it anyway.



Thank your lucky stars that you don't have to travel abroad. There are those of us who have no choice, but to come face to face, day in and day out, with people who hate us wherever we go.

As an example, imagine walking into a pub with about 200 drunk Irish men, all of whom are anti-American! I can assure you that being the lone outsider is a nice feeling.




The only people who have to travel abroad, do so because the military tells them.



This is not a facist dictatorship.
Link Posted: 10/26/2004 11:33:18 AM EST

Originally Posted By BORG:
I am 100% pro-BUSH.




You don't have to be pro-Bush to satisfy me, you just need to be 100% anti-Kerry, and 100% anti-UN!

I personally do not care what the rest of the world thinks. I am an American. I love America. I am not concerned with Western Civilization. I am concerned with America. I want to preserve America, American values, American freedoms, American culture, American sovergeinty, and most importantly American PEOPLE!

If we have to get aggressive in order to preserve America, then so be it. If the rest of the world doesn't like it, then too bad!

Link Posted: 10/26/2004 11:34:12 AM EST

Originally Posted By motown_steve:
BORG? Where are you?

Come back little troll, and answer my question. Why does the rest of the world hate us, and what should we do about it?

Do you think that if John Kerry wins, then people in London pubs will treat you nicer?



I would expect better from you motown_steve. Please stop name-calling and don't read between the lines of my posting because there is no subliminal message there either.
Link Posted: 10/26/2004 11:38:27 AM EST
The international media is incredibly biased.

Just stop travelling abroad, or just go to countries where the people are friendly. I have decided not to travel overseas this year. I'm going to save my money for a nice vacation in the USA.

GunLvr


Link Posted: 10/26/2004 11:40:03 AM EST

Originally Posted By BORG:

Originally Posted By motown_steve:
BORG? Where are you?

Come back little troll, and answer my question. Why does the rest of the world hate us, and what should we do about it?

Do you think that if John Kerry wins, then people in London pubs will treat you nicer?



I would expect better from you motown_steve. Please stop name-calling and don't read between the lines of my posting because there is no subliminal message there either.



You're one post behind.

If you are honestly not trying to slip Anti-Bush rhetoric into our drinking water, then I apologize.
Link Posted: 10/26/2004 11:41:22 AM EST

Originally Posted By GunLvrPHD:
The international media is incredibly biased.

Just stop travelling abroad, or just go to countries where the people are friendly. I have decided not to travel overseas this year. I'm going to save my money for a nice vacation in the USA.

GunLvr



Good advice. Spend your money in the U.S. and stop making those out there who hate us richer.

Link Posted: 10/26/2004 11:43:37 AM EST

Originally Posted By BORG:
I travel rather extensively and am concerned that almost everyone outside of the United States hates this President and our country. For the most part, I believe that the media is responsible for spreading this hatred and misinformation. It is like having the pro-Kerry New York Times broadcasting the world over.

Does anyone else on this forum share my experience? Is America doomed to go it alone as Europe and the rest of the world gang up against it?




You're concerned for how the rest of the world thinks about us?? Sounding a bit like you're leaning left man... get your ass back here and let us straighten you out.

America will not be doomed to go it alone... we'll be blessed. F*** the rest of the world.
Link Posted: 10/26/2004 11:46:42 AM EST

Originally Posted By motown_steve:

Originally Posted By BORG:
I am 100% pro-BUSH.




You don't have to be pro-Bush to satisfy me, you just need to be 100% anti-Kerry, and 100% anti-UN!

I personally do not care what the rest of the world thinks. I am an American. I love America. I am not concerned with Western Civilization. I am concerned with America. I want to preserve America, American values, American freedoms, American culture, American sovergeinty, and most importantly American PEOPLE!

If we have to get aggressive in order to preserve America, then so be it. If the rest of the world doesn't like it, then too bad!




Sounds a bit too much like a Nazi rally speech circa 1937 or so to me.
Link Posted: 10/26/2004 11:48:58 AM EST

Originally Posted By K2QB3:

Originally Posted By motown_steve:

Originally Posted By BORG:
I am 100% pro-BUSH.




You don't have to be pro-Bush to satisfy me, you just need to be 100% anti-Kerry, and 100% anti-UN!

I personally do not care what the rest of the world thinks. I am an American. I love America. I am not concerned with Western Civilization. I am concerned with America. I want to preserve America, American values, American freedoms, American culture, American sovergeinty, and most importantly American PEOPLE!

If we have to get aggressive in order to preserve America, then so be it. If the rest of the world doesn't like it, then too bad!




Sounds a bit too much like a Nazi rally speech circa 1937 or so to me.



Link Posted: 10/26/2004 11:50:35 AM EST

Originally Posted By PAEBR332:

Originally Posted By wedge1082:

Originally Posted By BORG:

Originally Posted By wedge1082:
For one, you should have not left the country unless you left with a rifle.

Second, who the hell cares if we are hated by "the world".

America is "the world". At least the good part of it anyway.



Thank your lucky stars that you don't have to travel abroad. There are those of us who have no choice, but to come face to face, day in and day out, with people who hate us wherever we go.

As an example, imagine walking into a pub with about 200 drunk Irish men, all of whom are anti-American! I can assure you that being the lone outsider is a nice feeling.




The only people who have to travel abroad, do so because the military tells them.



This is not a facist dictatorship.



I don't mean it in that way. Just that the only people who absolutely have to go overseas are those who do so in order to protect us (the military).
Link Posted: 10/26/2004 11:52:05 AM EST

Originally Posted By BORG:
Is America doomed to go it alone as Europe and the rest of the world gang up against it?





The best barometer of doing right as a nation is to be hated by all the right people.



Link Posted: 10/26/2004 11:56:15 AM EST

Originally Posted By motown_steve:
If you are honestly not trying to slip Anti-Bush rhetoric into our drinking water, then I apologize.



Apology accepted motown_steve. The UN is dysfunctional and Kofi Annan should be investigated for corruption linked to the oil-for-food program. Rebecca Peters ought to restrained in Australia for trying to spread her anti-gun message and George Soros should have his U.S. citizenship revoked for undermining our Second Amendment Rights.

Kerry must be denied the White House at all costs.

Link Posted: 10/26/2004 11:57:32 AM EST
One good thing about going at it alone is that you don't have to worry about europe, or anyone else fucking it up.
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