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Posted: 6/22/2016 10:46:40 AM EDT
A guy at work was talking about this. While it seems inevitable on the surface, the NHRA restricts the shit out of fuel classes for safety. And at those power levels, I'd guess the weakest link is always going to be traction. So an electric motor seems kind of pointless until the other issues are sorted out.
Link Posted: 6/22/2016 10:49:34 AM EDT
I'm sure it's possible, but pointless. There's no thrill in a roaring electric motor
Link Posted: 6/22/2016 10:52:06 AM EDT
Not until battery technology has advanced significantly. Weight to power is going to be a limitation for a long time
Link Posted: 6/22/2016 10:53:03 AM EDT
I don't know what the rules are, but I'd imagine the electric motor lets you cheat.

Depends how you program the "traction control." If the electric motor is allowed a drive circuit, then it could incorporate a compensation based upon voltage and current from/through the motor(s) to provide a sort of simplified traction control.

Alternatively, variable frequency drivers are often used in constant-torque applications, which is pretty much what you're going for with drag racing. Imagine a dragster with a maxed-out and dead flat torque curve.

I just don't see how they could allow electric motors at all without a huge mess of complications.

Better to just have its own sport.
Link Posted: 6/22/2016 10:55:03 AM EDT
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Originally Posted By TrojanMan:
I don't know what the rules are, but I'd imagine the electric motor lets you cheat.

Depends how you program the "traction control." If the electric motor is allowed a drive circuit, then it could incorporate a compensation based upon voltage and current from/through the motor(s) to provide a sort of simplified traction control.

Alternatively, variable frequency drivers are often used in constant-torque applications, which is pretty much what you're going for with drag racing. Imagine a dragster with a maxed-out and dead flat torque curve.

I just don't see how they could allow electric motors at all without a huge mess of complications.

Better to just have its own sport.
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Oh yeah, I agree about having their own class. But I was wondering if we'll ever see them run faster. And good point about the traction control.
Link Posted: 6/22/2016 10:58:56 AM EDT
The only reason they are not already beating top fuel cars is no one has bothered to do it.
Link Posted: 6/22/2016 11:00:42 AM EDT
Yeah just go ahead and put them on rails and it'll be a giant fuckin slot car
Link Posted: 6/22/2016 11:02:01 AM EDT
Battery technology isn't there. Too heavy
Link Posted: 6/22/2016 11:02:49 AM EDT
Who cares if they do?

They have no soul.
Link Posted: 6/22/2016 11:03:33 AM EDT
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Given the short runs, maybe they'll use capacitors.
Link Posted: 6/22/2016 11:03:46 AM EDT
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Originally Posted By JBowles:
The only reason they are not already beating top fuel cars is no one has bothered to do it.
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Does anyone make an electric motor that will put out 8000-10000 hp?
Link Posted: 6/22/2016 11:04:47 AM EDT
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It wouldn't use batteries, they wouldn't hold up to the discharge rate.

A capacitor bank is the way to go.
Link Posted: 6/22/2016 11:06:03 AM EDT
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Well on the way....

Link Posted: 6/22/2016 11:06:27 AM EDT
Ah, the heartwarming sounds of Formula E.....

Link Posted: 6/22/2016 11:08:12 AM EDT
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Given the short runs, maybe they'll use capacitors.
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Originally Posted By PeteCO:
Originally Posted By ch3no2:
Battery technology isn't there. Too heavy


Given the short runs, maybe they'll use capacitors.


Hmmm, good point.


If any of y'all never been to the drag strip, just GO.
You cannot possibly comprehend the sensory overload from two of those things leaving.

You feel the concussion in your chest; they literally shake the ground.

Link Posted: 6/22/2016 11:08:29 AM EDT
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Originally Posted By JBowles:
It wouldn't use batteries, they wouldn't hold up to the discharge rate.

A capacitor bank is the way to go.
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Originally Posted By JBowles:
Originally Posted By ch3no2:
Battery technology isn't there. Too heavy
It wouldn't use batteries, they wouldn't hold up to the discharge rate.

A capacitor bank is the way to go.

Fuck that, not enough capacity!

1/4 mile extension cord on a spool!!!
Link Posted: 6/22/2016 11:11:46 AM EDT
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Originally Posted By DoubleARon:
Does anyone make an electric motor that will put out 8000-10000 hp?
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Originally Posted By DoubleARon:
Originally Posted By JBowles:
The only reason they are not already beating top fuel cars is no one has bothered to do it.
Does anyone make an electric motor that will put out 8000-10000 hp?


I deal with 3K HP electric motors at work. I'm sure 10K HP is possible, but those 3K motors I run are the size of a car. I can't imagine how big a 10K HP electric motor would have to be.
Link Posted: 6/22/2016 11:11:58 AM EDT
while Tesla does have the 760 horse "ludicrous" mode

thats still a far step from the insanity that is top fuel power levels
could it be done? sure why not
electric motors went from 100 horse weaklings to 760 horsepower teslas in less than 10 years time


BUT
I already dont watch top fuel
going that fast has absolutely no appeal to me
I would rather watch a 100 11 second cars before I ever cared about watching a 5 second car
just not my thing.
Link Posted: 6/22/2016 11:12:35 AM EDT
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Ah, the heartwarming sounds of Formula E.....

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=7zBFeAPSpbM

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Pow! Pow! Power Wheels!
Link Posted: 6/22/2016 11:13:09 AM EDT
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Ah, the heartwarming sounds of Formula E.....

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Link Posted: 6/22/2016 11:13:23 AM EDT
I suppose it's possible (depending on the rules), but it would bore me to tears.
Link Posted: 6/22/2016 11:14:13 AM EDT
Fuel cars are held back by the NHRA. They've got a limit in their head on how fast the cars should be. If they run faster then they find a way to slow them down. Its somewhere around 335-337mph and they will change the rules to slow the cars down. I don't see an electric car beating a top fuel car anytime soon.
Link Posted: 6/22/2016 11:14:44 AM EDT
Yes.
Link Posted: 6/22/2016 11:15:57 AM EDT
As a former competitor and lifelong fan, I can tell you this:
I will NEVER spend a dime to see an electric powered speed competition. Fuck that.

Smokey Yunick, Keith Black are rolling over in their graves.
Bob Glidden, Robert Yates too... and they ain't dead yet
Link Posted: 6/22/2016 11:19:15 AM EDT
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Originally Posted By ch3no2:


Hmmm, good point.


If any of y'all never been to the drag strip, just GO.
You cannot possibly comprehend the sensory overload from two of those things leaving.

You feel the concussion in your chest; they literally shake the ground.

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Originally Posted By ch3no2:
Originally Posted By PeteCO:
Originally Posted By ch3no2:
Battery technology isn't there. Too heavy


Given the short runs, maybe they'll use capacitors.


Hmmm, good point.


If any of y'all never been to the drag strip, just GO.
You cannot possibly comprehend the sensory overload from two of those things leaving.

You feel the concussion in your chest; they literally shake the ground.


Come to Charlotte and see 4 run at once.
Link Posted: 6/22/2016 11:20:12 AM EDT
Not with current tech, or tech that is being considered for advancement at this time. Maybe possible in the future, but why?
Link Posted: 6/22/2016 11:20:35 AM EDT
I'm guessing many of you have never seen a top fuel car run in person. There is nothing else like it. That tesla in ludicrous mode couldn't even turn a fuel cars supercharger.
Link Posted: 6/22/2016 11:21:27 AM EDT
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Originally Posted By JCatt:
Fuel cars are held back by the NHRA. They've got a limit in their head on how fast the cars should be. If they run faster then they find a way to slow them down. Its somewhere around 335-337mph and they will change the rules to slow the cars down. I don't see an electric car beating a top fuel car anytime soon.
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Due largely to the tracks being 'land-locked'
There simply isn't enough shut down area to support much more speed.

NHRA went to 1000' shortly after we lost Scott Kalitta.
Englishtown NJ has one of the shorter shut down areas; Scott's car simply didn't scrub off enough speed before impact.

Mercifully, he probably never knew it. The engine explosion likely knocked him out.
Link Posted: 6/22/2016 11:29:18 AM EDT
Probably,but it'll take some time.

Once capacitor/battery tech gets there the limitation will be the driver's ability to withstand the acceleration.

Plus I imagine they will require less maintenance as there is fewer moving parts.

Link Posted: 6/22/2016 11:32:20 AM EDT
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Originally Posted By ch3no2:


Due largely to the tracks being 'land-locked'
There simply isn't enough shut down area to support much more speed.

NHRA went to 1000' shortly after we lost Scott Kalitta.
Englishtown NJ has one of the shorter shut down areas; Scott's car simply didn't scrub off enough speed before impact.

Mercifully, he probably never knew it. The engine explosion likely knocked him out.
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Originally Posted By ch3no2:
Originally Posted By JCatt:
Fuel cars are held back by the NHRA. They've got a limit in their head on how fast the cars should be. If they run faster then they find a way to slow them down. Its somewhere around 335-337mph and they will change the rules to slow the cars down. I don't see an electric car beating a top fuel car anytime soon.


Due largely to the tracks being 'land-locked'
There simply isn't enough shut down area to support much more speed.

NHRA went to 1000' shortly after we lost Scott Kalitta.
Englishtown NJ has one of the shorter shut down areas; Scott's car simply didn't scrub off enough speed before impact.

Mercifully, he probably never knew it. The engine explosion likely knocked him out.



He's dead? What?
Link Posted: 6/22/2016 11:34:02 AM EDT
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Telsa suspension system problems are highlighting the weight issue as we speak.
Link Posted: 6/22/2016 11:36:12 AM EDT
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Originally Posted By AZ_Sky:
Ah, the heartwarming sounds of Formula E.....

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=7zBFeAPSpbM

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One of those shit sleds died before the first turn.
Link Posted: 6/22/2016 11:36:39 AM EDT
Have you ever smelled the joy that it Nitromethane???
Or been in the pits when they start em up and seat the clutch packs??

No way I would pay a dime to hear a capacitor discharge......
Link Posted: 6/22/2016 11:37:09 AM EDT
Scott Kalitta was killed in a racing accident in 2008.

Massive engine explosion likely incapacitated him.
The car continued (at 275mph+) as he was unable to deploy the parachutes or use the brakes.
Ultimately, the car crashed into the sand berm at the extreme far end of the track.
He was killed instantly.

Rest in peace, Scott
Link Posted: 6/22/2016 11:39:40 AM EDT
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There's some old guy named DON GARLITS who is working on one right now. He's currently working to break 200mph with the car. I wouldn't bet against him find a way to make an electric dragster run with the fuel cars.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=xycfysAM7IY
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He's dead? What?
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Originally Posted By Merc1973:
Originally Posted By ch3no2:
Originally Posted By JCatt:
Fuel cars are held back by the NHRA. They've got a limit in their head on how fast the cars should be. If they run faster then they find a way to slow them down. Its somewhere around 335-337mph and they will change the rules to slow the cars down. I don't see an electric car beating a top fuel car anytime soon.


Due largely to the tracks being 'land-locked'
There simply isn't enough shut down area to support much more speed.

NHRA went to 1000' shortly after we lost Scott Kalitta.
Englishtown NJ has one of the shorter shut down areas; Scott's car simply didn't scrub off enough speed before impact.

Mercifully, he probably never knew it. The engine explosion likely knocked him out.



He's dead? What?


You're about 7 years behind on this...

Link Posted: 6/22/2016 11:43:31 AM EDT
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I'm guessing many of you have never seen a top fuel car run in person. There is nothing else like it. That tesla in ludicrous mode couldn't even turn a fuel cars supercharger.
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The only thing I've seen that comes close is a F-4U-5 start up/run up

Link Posted: 6/22/2016 11:43:36 AM EDT
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Fuel cars are held back by the NHRA. They've got a limit in their head on how fast the cars should be. If they run faster then they find a way to slow them down. Its somewhere around 335-337mph and they will change the rules to slow the cars down. I don't see an electric car beating a top fuel car anytime soon.
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IMO we have seen the fastest. They won't let them go any quicker. Restrictions and shorter Tracks are the future.
Link Posted: 6/22/2016 11:45:18 AM EDT
They have been slowing the cars down before Kalitta died and they went to 1000 ft. Nitromethane percentage, pulley size, engine rpm, timing are some things the NHRA will regulate in order to keep the speeds down. If not for all the rules the cars would be even faster.
Link Posted: 6/22/2016 11:46:51 AM EDT
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You're about 7 years behind on this...

https://youtu.be/cfdDBq4POh4
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Originally Posted By JBski:
Originally Posted By Merc1973:
Originally Posted By ch3no2:
Originally Posted By JCatt:
Fuel cars are held back by the NHRA. They've got a limit in their head on how fast the cars should be. If they run faster then they find a way to slow them down. Its somewhere around 335-337mph and they will change the rules to slow the cars down. I don't see an electric car beating a top fuel car anytime soon.


Due largely to the tracks being 'land-locked'
There simply isn't enough shut down area to support much more speed.

NHRA went to 1000' shortly after we lost Scott Kalitta.
Englishtown NJ has one of the shorter shut down areas; Scott's car simply didn't scrub off enough speed before impact.

Mercifully, he probably never knew it. The engine explosion likely knocked him out.



He's dead? What?


You're about 7 years behind on this...

https://youtu.be/cfdDBq4POh4


I can't watch that.
I knew the Kalittas.

And the Medlens.
We'd lost Eric Medlen not long before we lost Scott.

Rest in peace, brothers
Link Posted: 6/22/2016 11:50:01 AM EDT
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They sound like giant can openers.
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He's dead? What?
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Originally Posted By Merc1973:
Originally Posted By ch3no2:
Originally Posted By JCatt:
Fuel cars are held back by the NHRA. They've got a limit in their head on how fast the cars should be. If they run faster then they find a way to slow them down. Its somewhere around 335-337mph and they will change the rules to slow the cars down. I don't see an electric car beating a top fuel car anytime soon.


Due largely to the tracks being 'land-locked'
There simply isn't enough shut down area to support much more speed.

NHRA went to 1000' shortly after we lost Scott Kalitta.
Englishtown NJ has one of the shorter shut down areas; Scott's car simply didn't scrub off enough speed before impact.

Mercifully, he probably never knew it. The engine explosion likely knocked him out.



He's dead? What?



ETA: Already posted above.
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IMO we have seen the fastest. They won't let them go any quicker. Restrictions and shorter Tracks are the future.
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Originally Posted By sorionc:
Originally Posted By JCatt:
Fuel cars are held back by the NHRA. They've got a limit in their head on how fast the cars should be. If they run faster then they find a way to slow them down. Its somewhere around 335-337mph and they will change the rules to slow the cars down. I don't see an electric car beating a top fuel car anytime soon.
IMO we have seen the fastest. They won't let them go any quicker. Restrictions and shorter Tracks are the future.


I agree. If someone does NHRA will slow them down. I would be interesting to see how fast they could be without some of the rules.
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Originally Posted By JCatt:
I'm guessing many of you have never seen a top fuel car run in person. There is nothing else like it. That tesla in ludicrous mode couldn't even turn a fuel cars supercharger.
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What the fuck does a Tesla have to do with electric fuel dragster?
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What the fuck does a Tesla have to do with electric fuel dragster?
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I'm guessing many of you have never seen a top fuel car run in person. There is nothing else like it. That tesla in ludicrous mode couldn't even turn a fuel cars supercharger.



What the fuck does a Tesla have to do with electric fuel dragster?


If you read the thread someone was commenting on a tesla in ludicrous mode compared to a top fuel car. The tesla could probably not even run the top fuel cars supercharger. What is an electric fuel dragster?
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What the fuck does a Tesla have to do with electric fuel dragster?
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Originally Posted By Dustrod:
Originally Posted By JCatt:
I'm guessing many of you have never seen a top fuel car run in person. There is nothing else like it. That tesla in ludicrous mode couldn't even turn a fuel cars supercharger.



What the fuck does a Tesla have to do with electric fuel dragster?


because the tesla is pretty much the only thing people know that could be of any comparison (as ridiculous as that sounds)
your only other option is hybrids with 100 horse motors

sure there is some oddball guys out there doing their own thing
like big daddy above and several electric bikes and even a ridiculous golf cart

but I would see pretty much everybody knows about Tesla now
or enjoys watches people react on youtube to ludicrous mode
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Originally Posted By PeteCO:
Originally Posted By ch3no2:
Battery technology isn't there. Too heavy


Given the short runs, maybe they'll use capacitors.


Um. LOL.
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Quarter mile long 2 gauge extension cord?
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Originally Posted By ch3no2:
As a former competitor and lifelong fan, I can tell you this:
I will NEVER spend a dime to see an electric powered speed competition. Fuck that.

Smokey Yunick, Keith Black are rolling over in their graves.
Bob Glidden, Robert Yates too... and they ain't dead yet
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Smokey would be all up in that biatch because there's a million loopholes and things rule makers never thought of.

You ain't cheatin', you ain't tryin!
Link Posted: 6/22/2016 12:26:53 PM EDT
How did the Victory bike do in IOM this year anyway?

A bit off topic...
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