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Posted: 9/14/2005 7:45:47 AM EDT
I mean in US territories? I think that OBL has pretty much changed the face of terror. I really dont believe that a flight full of US citizens would allow another hijacking. I wouldnt.
Link Posted: 9/14/2005 7:46:39 AM EDT
If they start allowing knives on-board, I'd have a better chance...
Link Posted: 9/14/2005 7:48:41 AM EDT
It can't happen. We have professional airport security personnel and a Homeland Security Department.
Link Posted: 9/14/2005 7:48:42 AM EDT

Originally Posted By HK_Shooter_03:
If they start allowing knives on-board, I'd have a better chance...



Would they even consider it?
Link Posted: 9/14/2005 7:49:34 AM EDT
Well, after 9/11, everyones looks at a hijacking as if it's end result is obviously going to be floating on into a highrise. I know I would. You never know. If you take the chance and not resist there's a chance you'll live, but I doubt it. Fight back, atleast you went down saving other Americans...
Link Posted: 9/14/2005 7:49:37 AM EDT

Originally Posted By w4klr:

Originally Posted By HK_Shooter_03:
If they start allowing knives on-board, I'd have a better chance...



Would they even consider it?




They are currently considering it...
Link Posted: 9/14/2005 7:49:57 AM EDT
Of course they would. You think the average passenger on an airliner is going to risk getting hurt just to stop a hijacker? That's like expecting all the customers and employees at a bank to rise up against a robber and beat the crap out of him. It doesn't happen.
Link Posted: 9/14/2005 7:51:01 AM EDT

Originally Posted By 0612Devil:
Well, after 9/11, everyones looks at a hijacking as if it's end result is obviously going to be floating on into a highrise. I know I would. You never know. If you take the chance and not resist there's a chance you'll live, but I doubt it. Fight back, atleast you went down saving other Americans...



And thats my point. I think that if there is another hijacking that everyone will know that these are thier last moments on earth, so FIGHT BACK.
Link Posted: 9/14/2005 7:52:18 AM EDT
I don't think they would let it happen. The hijackers would get beaten to death.

Link Posted: 9/14/2005 7:53:34 AM EDT
Didn't one group of passengers beat the piss out of a guy they _thought_ might be a hijacker?

Link Posted: 9/14/2005 7:54:46 AM EDT

Originally Posted By Swindle1984:
Of course they would. You think the average passenger on an airliner is going to risk getting hurt just to stop a hijacker? That's like expecting all the customers and employees at a bank to rise up against a robber and beat the crap out of him. It doesn't happen.



A robber isn't gonna' fly the bank into the ground.
Link Posted: 9/14/2005 7:55:09 AM EDT

Originally Posted By Dino:
Didn't one group of passengers beat the piss out of a guy they _thought_ might be a hijacker?




Yes,there was a flight of evacuees from NO. A guy started abusing the flight attendant(started hitting her). They beat the hell out of him.
Link Posted: 9/14/2005 7:55:56 AM EDT
Did anyone read this book?

www.amazon.com/exec/obidos/tg/detail/-/0873649737/102-6300633-3531327?v=glance


It addresses this subject before 9/11 was even though of...
Link Posted: 9/14/2005 7:58:01 AM EDT
Hijacking a passenger plane in the U.S. to use as a weapon would not be successful. The hijackers would get mobbed. Aircraft will still be used as weapons. They will either be stolen or leased non passenger types.
Link Posted: 9/14/2005 8:00:17 AM EDT

Originally Posted By Swindle1984:
Of course they would. You think the average passenger on an airliner is going to risk getting hurt just to stop a hijacker? That's like expecting all the customers and employees at a bank to rise up against a robber and beat the crap out of him. It doesn't happen.



The difference is a bank is a ground level. On an Airplane, since 9/11, enough people on board have gotta believe one of two things:

1. Sit here and die
2. Try to stop the knife holding hijacker an MAYBE DIE or best cast beat his ass.

With locked cockpit doors, I can guarantee you the safe pilots are just going to land as quickly as possible. Maybe thrown in a few hard turns/banks every now to rhrow the perp off balance to allow us passengers an easier oppty to do something. Between the start of the hijacking and the trip back to the ground, the pissed off hijacker is not going to just sit back down and strap in for a safe landing.
Link Posted: 9/14/2005 8:13:06 AM EDT
They... whoever "they" are have been there/done that...
Lightning doesn't strike twice in the same place... while everyone's bizzy keeping an eye on the airports the next big hit will occurr where no one would ever expect it... I mean, who would have thought anyone would/could hijack 4 aircraft and use 'em as guided missles....
Link Posted: 9/14/2005 8:13:16 AM EDT
I think before 9/11 people thought that if they followed the path of least resistence, they would be freed after the hijackers got whatever they were looking to get. What they did not realize was that those filthy cowards merely wanted them dead. That last plane realized that and took action. I think anyone who is capable will fight any attempt to hijack a plane now. We all like to talk, but I really believe that every capable American, passivist or not, would do whatever it takes not to be a victim of this Jihad crap.
Link Posted: 9/14/2005 8:17:38 AM EDT
I think everyone boarding a plane should get a sap or a short bat.


No I don't think there will be any more hijackings, I think it'll be smuggled on bombs and such. placed by some flunky on the cleaning crew or something of that nature.
Link Posted: 9/14/2005 8:18:06 AM EDT

Originally Posted By skid2964:

Originally Posted By Dino:
Didn't one group of passengers beat the piss out of a guy they _thought_ might be a hijacker?




Yes,there was a flight of evacuees from NO. A guy started abusing the flight attendant(started hitting her). They beat the hell out of him.



Surprised they didn't get indicted for something.
The sheep aren't supposed to rise up anymore.
Everything about our society directs them not to.
Look at Louisiana.
Link Posted: 9/14/2005 8:18:43 AM EDT
Why are you worried about having a knife to fight with? A pen or pencil is just as good for stabbing. You loose slashing ability, but that was negligable in most tiny pocket knives anyway.

I'm not going quietly into this good night if the time came.
Link Posted: 9/14/2005 8:21:18 AM EDT

Originally Posted By Girlieman:
They... whoever "they" are have been there/done that...
Lightning doesn't strike twice in the same place... while everyone's bizzy keeping an eye on the airports the next big hit will occurr where no one would ever expect it... I mean, who would have thought anyone would/could hijack 4 aircraft and use 'em as guided missles....



i agree. I would expect to see a bomb in a petroleum ship in a major harbor, a dirty bomb in a cargo container/semi, a very large bomb in a large train terminal. killings in a mall or elementary school, or poison in a water system, etc....

Too many things available to go back to the old stand-by of airliners, which are under scrutiny.
Link Posted: 9/14/2005 8:24:24 AM EDT
[Last Edit: 9/14/2005 8:25:01 AM EDT by w4klr]

Originally Posted By LonePathfinder:
Why are you worried about having a knife to fight with? A pen or pencil is just as good for stabbing. You loose slashing ability, but that was negligable in most tiny pocket knives anyway.

I'm not going quietly into this good night if the time came.



Why are you worried about having a gun for home defense? A slingshot will do the job, sure you lose accuracy, but that is negligible inside of your house

Until I can carry a gun on a plane, I'm not happy.
Link Posted: 9/14/2005 8:24:45 AM EDT
[Last Edit: 9/14/2005 8:25:04 AM EDT by KnobCreek]

Originally Posted By LonePathfinder:
Why are you worried about having a knife to fight with? A pen or pencil is just as good for stabbing. You loose slashing ability, but that was negligable in most tiny pocket knives anyway.

I'm not going quietly into this good night if the time came.



RIP OUT THE TRAY...you'll have two spears and shield.
Link Posted: 9/14/2005 8:25:26 AM EDT

Originally Posted By Leisure_Shoot:

Originally Posted By Girlieman:
They... whoever "they" are have been there/done that...
Lightning doesn't strike twice in the same place... while everyone's bizzy keeping an eye on the airports the next big hit will occurr where no one would ever expect it... I mean, who would have thought anyone would/could hijack 4 aircraft and use 'em as guided missles....



i agree. I would expect to see a bomb in a petroleum ship in a major harbor, a dirty bomb in a cargo container/semi, a very large bomb in a large train terminal. killings in a mall or elementary school, or poison in a water system, etc....

Too many things available to go back to the old stand-by of airliners, which are under scrutiny.



Not that I am disappointed...but I was surprised they did not try anything during the days after Katrina: A dirty bomb here in the North East woulda been crippling with all our resources in the Gulfs.
Link Posted: 9/14/2005 8:28:55 AM EDT

Originally Posted By Leisure_Shoot:

Originally Posted By Girlieman:
They... whoever "they" are have been there/done that...
Lightning doesn't strike twice in the same place... while everyone's bizzy keeping an eye on the airports the next big hit will occurr where no one would ever expect it... I mean, who would have thought anyone would/could hijack 4 aircraft and use 'em as guided missles....



i agree. I would expect to see a bomb in a petroleum ship in a major harbor, a dirty bomb in a cargo container/semi, a very large bomb in a large train terminal. killings in a mall or elementary school, or poison in a water system, etc....

Too many things available to go back to the old stand-by of airliners, which are under scrutiny.



No question about it!
The enemy is creative and intelligent.
While we're preoccupied with fighting the last war (or battle) they're devoting all their energy to thinking up something entirely new.
Link Posted: 9/14/2005 8:30:54 AM EDT

Originally Posted By Swindle1984:
Of course they would. You think the average passenger on an airliner is going to risk getting hurt just to stop a hijacker? That's like expecting all the customers and employees at a bank to rise up against a robber and beat the crap out of him. It doesn't happen.



I am afraid you are probably correct.

BigDozer66
Link Posted: 9/14/2005 8:31:16 AM EDT

Originally Posted By BlackDog714:
I mean in US territories? I think that OBL has pretty much changed the face of terror. I really dont believe that a flight full of US citizens would allow another hijacking. I wouldnt.



So they'll hit one that isn't full.
Link Posted: 9/14/2005 8:33:05 AM EDT

Originally Posted By Swindle1984:
Of course they would. You think the average passenger on an airliner is going to risk getting hurt just to stop a hijacker? That's like expecting all the customers and employees at a bank to rise up against a robber and beat the crap out of him. It doesn't happen.



"WHERE'S THE AIR MARSHAL?"

They sat on their porches in New Orleans waiting the government to save them. What makes anyone think it would be any different on an airplane?
Link Posted: 9/14/2005 8:36:13 AM EDT

Originally Posted By ArmedAggie:

Originally Posted By Swindle1984:
Of course they would. You think the average passenger on an airliner is going to risk getting hurt just to stop a hijacker? That's like expecting all the customers and employees at a bank to rise up against a robber and beat the crap out of him. It doesn't happen.



"WHERE'S THE AIR MARSHAL?"

They sat on their porches in New Orleans waiting the government to save them. What makes anyone think it would be any different on an airplane?



Sad but true. That the government won't be able to save them might motivate some. If the airplane has only those types, they're finished.
Link Posted: 9/14/2005 8:49:36 AM EDT

Originally Posted By Swindle1984:
Of course they would. You think the average passenger on an airliner is going to risk getting hurt just to stop a hijacker? That's like expecting all the customers and employees at a bank to rise up against a robber and beat the crap out of him. It doesn't happen.



-1.

When the news hits that, just after getting the money and before leaving, the robbers kill everyone in the bank, you'd see resistance.

Don't forget, one of the reason Sept 11 worked was the shitheads DEVIATED from what hijackers do. They were able to tell everyone relax, we'll go back to the airport, eat some cold pizza, make some demads, and it will be ok.

Hijackers typically NEVER actually tried to kill everyone.

When the rules changed, the folks on flight 93 came up to speed pretty quick, like 20 minutes, IIRC.
Link Posted: 9/14/2005 8:56:16 AM EDT

Originally Posted By ArmedAggie:

Originally Posted By Swindle1984:
Of course they would. You think the average passenger on an airliner is going to risk getting hurt just to stop a hijacker? That's like expecting all the customers and employees at a bank to rise up against a robber and beat the crap out of him. It doesn't happen.



"WHERE'S THE AIR MARSHAL?"

They sat on their porches in New Orleans waiting the government to save them. What makes anyone think it would be any different on an airplane?



I refer you to "The Flight that Fought Back."

We can argue about whether they made it into the cockpit, whether they cuold have flown the plane.

but fight back they did, and I slept soundly after watching it, knowing that, from the audio, it was apparent that at least one shitbag met his maker in a violent end BEFORE that plane hit the ground.

These people fought back ON THAT DAY, before any warning of what was going on.

Now, we have the luxury of scoping out potential allies before we even board, I giver every average or larger sized male boarding my flight a stare, to a man, they simply nod affirmatively.

If it happens again, there wil be hell to pay.

Which is precisely why it won't happen again.
Link Posted: 9/14/2005 9:02:36 AM EDT
No way! I double dog dare muslim terrorists to attempt a plane hijacking. They're going to be muttering allah akbar under a barrage of fists/feet as the passengers beat them senseless.
Link Posted: 9/14/2005 9:05:30 AM EDT
It's been done already. It'll be something new and different but I'm sure it will happen again. I'm not worried though, I'll let the govenment take care of it and protect me!
Link Posted: 9/14/2005 9:09:00 AM EDT

Originally Posted By Swindle1984:
Of course they would. You think the average passenger on an airliner is going to risk getting hurt just to stop a hijacker? That's like expecting all the customers and employees at a bank to rise up against a robber and beat the crap out of him. It doesn't happen.



Roger that, most American Sheeple will sit back and bleet and hope someone else will stick up for them. My wife and I had to fly down to Atlanta in Jan for a funeral and I had a rolled up magazine ready, juuuuuuuuuuuuust in case.
Link Posted: 9/14/2005 9:10:57 AM EDT
I dont really expect an airplane to be the next mode of terrorist activity...they will do something else under less scrutiny. There are other ways to cause problems without all the headaches. I think an attempt could happen again...I just tend to think that it wont be for a while if at all.

I seriously doubt anyone would hijack a plane these days in our airspace like the old days when guys just wanted to catch a flight to south america...or demand that some convicts are set free.....and hijacking will be met with military intervention, and most likely be shot out of the sky, or at the very least escorted....no standard hijacking for the purpose of piracy will ever be successful again...not here.

On to the actual question....will Americans allow it?
I cant speak for everyone...there are a lot of weak motherfuckers sponging off of my country...many of them fly...I suppose its possible. Plan full of hippies, corporate pretty boys, liberal idiots....yeah, they might allow it to happen again.

I can say this....no plane that I am a passenger on will ever be hijacked while I remain alive.
I have considered my options every time I have been on a plane since 9/11...and I have my plan in tact. I ever see a person doing ANYTHING that even remotely represents a hostile act against the craft or the crew...they will have to deal with me...and they will have to kill me...otherwise their actions will result in suicide. I will do everything within my ability to kill (not restrain, not bargain, not plead....FUCKING KILL) anyone that threatens a flight I am on. I owe that much to myself. I would hope I am not alone....but I doubt my opinions or plans are widely held.

I cant imagine someone ever sitting still again while a plane is being hijacked...and if they do, they deserve whatever the end result is. I will at least try to stop it.
Link Posted: 9/14/2005 9:21:10 AM EDT

Originally Posted By macro:


I can say this....no plane that I am a passenger on will ever be hijacked while I remain alive.
I have considered my options every time I have been on a plane since 9/11...and I have my plan in tact. I ever see a person doing ANYTHING that even remotely represents a hostile act against the craft or the crew...they will have to deal with me...and they will have to kill me...otherwise their actions will result in suicide. I will do everything within my ability to kill (not restrain, not bargain, not plead....FUCKING KILL) anyone that threatens a flight I am on. I owe that much to myself. I would hope I am not alone....but I doubt my opinions or plans are widely held.

I cant imagine someone ever sitting still again while a plane is being hijacked...and if they do, they deserve whatever the end result is. I will at least try to stop it.




Amen to that! Couldn't agree more!
Link Posted: 9/14/2005 9:33:18 AM EDT

Originally Posted By ArmedAggie:

Originally Posted By Swindle1984:
Of course they would. You think the average passenger on an airliner is going to risk getting hurt just to stop a hijacker? That's like expecting all the customers and employees at a bank to rise up against a robber and beat the crap out of him. It doesn't happen.



"WHERE'S THE AIR MARSHAL?"

They sat on their porches in New Orleans waiting the government to save them. What makes anyone think it would be any different on an airplane?



The people sitting on planes tend to be a little more successful, a little more motivated to provide for themselves, and a little less likely to think that some help is coming.

Contrast your typical business class with the types of folks waiting out the storm in NO so they get their welfare check.

Flight 93 DID happen, and it was some fairly succesful people who took the initiative. These types of people are EVERYWHERE! I am pretty optimistic that despite the appearances, the minority are the dregs.
Link Posted: 9/14/2005 9:35:41 AM EDT
Why bother?
There are far more easier targets out there. How many trains and underground systems do you have over there. You have tunnels...you have ships. Big football/baseball stadiums etc
The list could be endless


I'm sure the next attacks either here or over there in the US will be targeting victims in a different way.
JMHO

Taffy
Link Posted: 9/14/2005 9:37:31 AM EDT
[Last Edit: 9/14/2005 9:41:58 AM EDT by VoodooChile]
I think the only thing that separated Flight 93 from the other flights on 9/11 was the fact they had more time to let sink in what was going to happen to them if they didn't act..IIRC at least one of the passengers got confirmation from home what had happened to the other flights..It takes awhile to go from a "Excuse me Miss may I have another bag of those delicious peanuts?" mode to a "I'm going to die NOW unless I kill these 4 bastards with my bare hands" frame of mind. The other 3 flights didn't have enough time..From now on we won't need time...I just have to play a 2 sec video in my head of a jet hitting a tower followed by 2 more secs of my wife and 3 young kids at my closed casket and I'll be ready to "ROLL"
Link Posted: 9/14/2005 11:07:20 AM EDT

Originally Posted By Taffy223:
Why bother?
There are far more easier targets out there. How many trains and underground systems do you have over there. You have tunnels...you have ships. Big football/baseball stadiums etc
The list could be endless


I'm sure the next attacks either here or over there in the US will be targeting victims in a different way.
JMHO

Taffy



I have often wondered about the sports venues...our friends in the east seem to like to do big things with lots of shock value. I have pretty much been waiting for a super bowl attack....live broadcast of the biggest sporting event of the year...tons of celebrities, business leaders, politicians, etc......among a crowd of 80,000....all live on TV for the country to see....and during the highest rated viewership of the year.

How they would hit is beyond me, but you have to admit, if its a shock value target you want, there it is.

I also think its probably only a matter of time before we could see distributed subway/bus type explosive attacks.

A lot of folks have considered the high tech, chemical / biological attacks. Frankly I dont think these dark age sand creatures are capable of deploying anything to scale in this country. I also doubt seriously that they would be capable of delivering a real, true, nuclear device. (the kind that vaporize cities, as opposed to simple dirty bombs which do little damage and mostly just scare people)

I expect something involving explosives...small stuff, but big enough to do damage to infrastructure and mass transit. Frankly, however it comes, it will be just another brick in the wall as far as I am concerned. The writing has been on that wall for a long, long time. Seems like the governments with the muscle to actually do something about the message arent really interested.

Political correctness is going to kill us, and if not us, our kids.
Link Posted: 9/14/2005 11:09:59 AM EDT

Originally Posted By Swindle1984:
Of course they would. You think the average passenger on an airliner is going to risk getting hurt just to stop a hijacker? That's like expecting all the customers and employees at a bank to rise up against a robber and beat the crap out of him. It doesn't happen.



Not after 9/11. If you know you are going to die if you do nothing, you will at least try. Same in a bank. If they start herding everyone into a vault, you know what's next and will then fight back. If they just take the money and run, let them go.
Link Posted: 9/14/2005 11:25:34 AM EDT
[Last Edit: 9/14/2005 11:26:17 AM EDT by CJan_NH]
Of course passengers would fight back-remember Richard Reid the shoe bomber? Remember the pics taken of him right after he was taken off the plane? Those passengers beat pounded the living shit out of him.

As was said earlier, in the past the best thing to do during a hijacking was to keep calm and let the hijackers work out their demands with the authorities. It's a different game now, and everybody knows it. Besides, even a pacifist pussy would want to be remembered in the same context as Todd Beamer, wouldn't he?

Lets roll.
Link Posted: 9/14/2005 12:35:43 PM EDT

Originally Posted By Swindle1984:
Of course they would. You think the average passenger on an airliner is going to risk getting hurt just to stop a hijacker? That's like expecting all the customers and employees at a bank to rise up against a robber and beat the crap out of him. It doesn't happen.



I believe you're very wrong. That might have been the case pre-9/11, but since flight 93, when the passengers KNEW with certainty they were going to die and threw caution to the wind, rebellion of the passengers would be the norm rather than the exception. Sure as hell would be the norm on any flight I was on.

Let's Roll
Link Posted: 9/14/2005 4:10:30 PM EDT
I had a good friend on flight 175 from Boston, it was the second plane to hit the towers. My friend was business executive, a Vietnam CIB holder, a former football player and and pretty good with his fists. He was in excellent shape and over 200 lbs. I am sure he would have fought to the death if he had known what was going to happen. I expect everyone would fight if there was another highjack attempt.
Link Posted: 9/14/2005 6:59:04 PM EDT
Many pilots are now armed and will kill anyone who tries to get into the cockpit.
Link Posted: 9/14/2005 7:09:28 PM EDT
[Last Edit: 9/14/2005 7:11:59 PM EDT by The_Macallan]

Well I bet they can easily hijack a pizza parlor in Akron Ohio with NO resistance from the sheeple!


Seriously though, yes absolutely - it CAN happen again. Just depends on who's on board. Simply being "American" doesn't mean passengers are any more likely to stand up and resist a 8-10 man organized and extremely-motivated hijacking. A hundred sheep are no more difficult to handle than five sheep. But I doubt they're focusing on hijacking. Not that they're not open to the opportunity if it presents itself, but there are a LOT of other ways for them to strike us.

Link Posted: 9/14/2005 7:44:24 PM EDT
Almost all historical hijacks have never been as large as "8 to 10" you just mentioned.

9/11 Hijack teams were 4 to 5 and at least one would be attempting to get in the cockpit, one fore, one aft and that leaves one or two roving. They didn't have guns, just box cutters. Suprise, stab kills one with your trusty spork from your airline meal and then go from there.

People are always afraid to make the first move. Once someone gets going they will join in the battle.
Link Posted: 9/14/2005 8:33:09 PM EDT
[Last Edit: 9/14/2005 8:33:25 PM EDT by The_Macallan]

Originally Posted By LonePathfinder:
Almost all historical hijacks have never been as large as "8 to 10" you just mentioned.

And they never hijacked four at once nor tried to drive them all into major financial & government centers either.

Times changed.

Link Posted: 9/14/2005 8:37:31 PM EDT

Originally Posted By skid2964:
I don't think they would let it happen. The hijackers would get beaten to death.


Kissed to death in La-La Land.
Link Posted: 9/14/2005 8:38:47 PM EDT
I know I won't.
Link Posted: 9/14/2005 8:43:28 PM EDT
I read that the 9/11 hijackers also claimed that they had a bomb & threatened to detonate it if another would try anything. The box cutters were just the visual & immediate threat. That's what prevented a lot of the passengers from trying to overtake the plane.
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